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Option A Windows 7 Option B Windows 7

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ng_reader

Flightless Bird
I think I mucked up my install of windows 7.

When I boot up I get the option to choose either Windows 7 or Windows 7.

And I *think* these are two different things.

Like my Thunderbird (did anyone ever let me know how to get Outlook
Express? wrong forum, I know) is two different versions and my IE as well.

Is there a way to combine them into one?
 
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Gene E. Bloch

Flightless Bird
On Fri, 05 Mar 2010 12:05:29 -0500, ng_reader wrote:

> I think I mucked up my install of windows 7.
>
> When I boot up I get the option to choose either Windows 7 or Windows 7.
>
> And I *think* these are two different things.
>
> Like my Thunderbird (did anyone ever let me know how to get Outlook
> Express? wrong forum, I know) is two different versions and my IE as well.
>
> Is there a way to combine them into one?

AFAIK, you can't get Outlook Express.

In Win 7 (and Vista, I believe) IE exists in a 32-bit version and a 64-bit
version for reasons known to others...

It's possible that you have a boot file that calls for the same OS twice,
since you say you had problems ("mucked up"). So you need to look at your
boot control file.

bcdedit is a tool for this from Microsoft; it might even be on your
computer already. It could help you, but it's a pretty opaque command-line
utility.

So instead, download and run EasyBCD, from NeoSmart Technologies. IMO, it's
no picnic either, but it's a vast improvement...

They're at http://neosmart.net/ - it looks like a fun site to explore. Look
for the Software link on the home page.

--
Gene E. Bloch letters0x40blochg0x2Ecom
 
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ng_reader

Flightless Bird
On 3/5/2010 1:47 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
> On Fri, 05 Mar 2010 12:05:29 -0500, ng_reader wrote:
>
>> I think I mucked up my install of windows 7.
>>
>> When I boot up I get the option to choose either Windows 7 or Windows 7.
>>
>> And I *think* these are two different things.
>>
>> Like my Thunderbird (did anyone ever let me know how to get Outlook
>> Express? wrong forum, I know) is two different versions and my IE as well.
>>
>> Is there a way to combine them into one?
>
> AFAIK, you can't get Outlook Express.
>
> In Win 7 (and Vista, I believe) IE exists in a 32-bit version and a 64-bit
> version for reasons known to others...
>
> It's possible that you have a boot file that calls for the same OS twice,
> since you say you had problems ("mucked up"). So you need to look at your
> boot control file.
>
> bcdedit is a tool for this from Microsoft; it might even be on your
> computer already. It could help you, but it's a pretty opaque command-line
> utility.
>
> So instead, download and run EasyBCD, from NeoSmart Technologies. IMO, it's
> no picnic either, but it's a vast improvement...
>
> They're at http://neosmart.net/ - it looks like a fun site to explore. Look
> for the Software link on the home page.
>

Hey thanks buddy.

Yep, sure enough that little utility (which tried to load a TweakUI
thingy but that wouldn't work on *7*) tells me that I am loading Win7
from two different locations on two different hard drives (both internal).

I'll figure it out, prolly.

Have a good one.
 
G

Gene E. Bloch

Flightless Bird
On Fri, 05 Mar 2010 16:15:37 -0500, ng_reader wrote:

> On 3/5/2010 1:47 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
>> On Fri, 05 Mar 2010 12:05:29 -0500, ng_reader wrote:
>>
>>> I think I mucked up my install of windows 7.
>>>
>>> When I boot up I get the option to choose either Windows 7 or Windows 7.
>>>
>>> And I *think* these are two different things.
>>>
>>> Like my Thunderbird (did anyone ever let me know how to get Outlook
>>> Express? wrong forum, I know) is two different versions and my IE as well.
>>>
>>> Is there a way to combine them into one?
>>
>> AFAIK, you can't get Outlook Express.
>>
>> In Win 7 (and Vista, I believe) IE exists in a 32-bit version and a 64-bit
>> version for reasons known to others...
>>
>> It's possible that you have a boot file that calls for the same OS twice,
>> since you say you had problems ("mucked up"). So you need to look at your
>> boot control file.
>>
>> bcdedit is a tool for this from Microsoft; it might even be on your
>> computer already. It could help you, but it's a pretty opaque command-line
>> utility.
>>
>> So instead, download and run EasyBCD, from NeoSmart Technologies. IMO, it's
>> no picnic either, but it's a vast improvement...
>>
>> They're at http://neosmart.net/ - it looks like a fun site to explore. Look
>> for the Software link on the home page.
>>
>
> Hey thanks buddy.
>
> Yep, sure enough that little utility (which tried to load a TweakUI
> thingy but that wouldn't work on *7*) tells me that I am loading Win7
> from two different locations on two different hard drives (both internal).
>
> I'll figure it out, prolly.
>
> Have a good one.

OK, I was wrong then. I thought that your boot file had somehow gotten two
lines referring to the same installation of Win 7.

Now I'm curious as to how that happened and how you eventually fix it, just
so I can learn something :)

I don't remember EasyBCD trying to install a TweakUI sort of thing, but
it's been a while since I set it up. I don't even remember what my problem
was.

--
Gene E. Bloch letters0x40blochg0x2Ecom
 
N

ng_reader

Flightless Bird
On 3/5/2010 4:51 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
> On Fri, 05 Mar 2010 16:15:37 -0500, ng_reader wrote:
>
>> On 3/5/2010 1:47 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
>>> On Fri, 05 Mar 2010 12:05:29 -0500, ng_reader wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think I mucked up my install of windows 7.
>>>>
>>>> When I boot up I get the option to choose either Windows 7 or Windows 7.
>>>>
>>>> And I *think* these are two different things.
>>>>
>>>> Like my Thunderbird (did anyone ever let me know how to get Outlook
>>>> Express? wrong forum, I know) is two different versions and my IE as well.
>>>>
>>>> Is there a way to combine them into one?
>>>
>>> AFAIK, you can't get Outlook Express.
>>>
>>> In Win 7 (and Vista, I believe) IE exists in a 32-bit version and a 64-bit
>>> version for reasons known to others...
>>>
>>> It's possible that you have a boot file that calls for the same OS twice,
>>> since you say you had problems ("mucked up"). So you need to look at your
>>> boot control file.
>>>
>>> bcdedit is a tool for this from Microsoft; it might even be on your
>>> computer already. It could help you, but it's a pretty opaque command-line
>>> utility.
>>>
>>> So instead, download and run EasyBCD, from NeoSmart Technologies. IMO, it's
>>> no picnic either, but it's a vast improvement...
>>>
>>> They're at http://neosmart.net/ - it looks like a fun site to explore. Look
>>> for the Software link on the home page.
>>>
>>
>> Hey thanks buddy.
>>
>> Yep, sure enough that little utility (which tried to load a TweakUI
>> thingy but that wouldn't work on *7*) tells me that I am loading Win7
>> from two different locations on two different hard drives (both internal).
>>
>> I'll figure it out, prolly.
>>
>> Have a good one.
>
> OK, I was wrong then. I thought that your boot file had somehow gotten two
> lines referring to the same installation of Win 7.
>
> Now I'm curious as to how that happened and how you eventually fix it, just
> so I can learn something :)
>
> I don't remember EasyBCD trying to install a TweakUI sort of thing, but
> it's been a while since I set it up. I don't even remember what my problem
> was.
>

Actually I'm not sure I *am* going to fix it. I think what I'll do is
wait for a replacement to come in, take the the data off via burned
DVDs, and start over again.

Or I might just chuck it. It's got a problem with the USB ports that I
think might be physical. If so it's of little use to me.
 
C

Char Jackson

Flightless Bird
On Fri, 05 Mar 2010 18:26:01 -0500, ng_reader <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>Actually I'm not sure I *am* going to fix it. I think what I'll do is
>wait for a replacement to come in, take the the data off via burned
>DVDs, and start over again.

Save yourself a ton of headache and transfer the data across a local
network, even if it's as simple as just connecting the two computers
together.

Alternatively, just slave the old hard drive into the new computer
temporarily and do a drive-to-drive data transfer. That would be the
fastest by far. Both of these methods avoid burning DVD's.

>Or I might just chuck it. It's got a problem with the USB ports that I
>think might be physical. If so it's of little use to me.

If all it needs are more USB ports, you can usually add a card to give
you as many as 4 more ports for under $10. Here's just one example.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815124007
 
N

ng_reader

Flightless Bird
On 3/5/2010 8:21 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
> On Fri, 05 Mar 2010 18:26:01 -0500, ng_reader<wilgrow_co@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Actually I'm not sure I *am* going to fix it. I think what I'll do is
>> wait for a replacement to come in, take the the data off via burned
>> DVDs, and start over again.
>
> Save yourself a ton of headache and transfer the data across a local
> network, even if it's as simple as just connecting the two computers
> together.
>
> Alternatively, just slave the old hard drive into the new computer
> temporarily and do a drive-to-drive data transfer. That would be the
> fastest by far. Both of these methods avoid burning DVD's.
>
>> Or I might just chuck it. It's got a problem with the USB ports that I
>> think might be physical. If so it's of little use to me.
>
> If all it needs are more USB ports, you can usually add a card to give
> you as many as 4 more ports for under $10. Here's just one example.
>
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815124007
>


Aye, this is a good group.

Unfortunately I think I want to "spite" this freaking computer. Yes, a
cheap USB card would have worked. So would have a PS2 Mouse and
Keyboard. Try and find them outside of Newegg. I dare you.

I went to Overstock auctions and bought a Bestbuy reject computer.

I mean, how could that be a bad idea?

tick tock tick tock

uh oh......
 
C

Char Jackson

Flightless Bird
On Sat, 06 Mar 2010 11:08:23 -0500, ng_reader <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>On 3/5/2010 8:21 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
>> On Fri, 05 Mar 2010 18:26:01 -0500, ng_reader<wilgrow_co@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Actually I'm not sure I *am* going to fix it. I think what I'll do is
>>> wait for a replacement to come in, take the the data off via burned
>>> DVDs, and start over again.
>>
>> Save yourself a ton of headache and transfer the data across a local
>> network, even if it's as simple as just connecting the two computers
>> together.
>>
>> Alternatively, just slave the old hard drive into the new computer
>> temporarily and do a drive-to-drive data transfer. That would be the
>> fastest by far. Both of these methods avoid burning DVD's.
>>
>>> Or I might just chuck it. It's got a problem with the USB ports that I
>>> think might be physical. If so it's of little use to me.
>>
>> If all it needs are more USB ports, you can usually add a card to give
>> you as many as 4 more ports for under $10. Here's just one example.
>>
>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815124007
>>
>
>
>Aye, this is a good group.
>
>Unfortunately I think I want to "spite" this freaking computer. Yes, a
>cheap USB card would have worked. So would have a PS2 Mouse and
>Keyboard. Try and find them outside of Newegg. I dare you.

I live in fairly big city. I can find those items locally with no
problem, or easier still, I can find lots of shops that sell PS/2
adapters. You're right, though, it's super easy to order online.

>I went to Overstock auctions and bought a Bestbuy reject computer.
>
>I mean, how could that be a bad idea?

Depends on why it was rejected. :)
 
N

ng_reader

Flightless Bird
On 3/6/2010 9:01 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
> On Sat, 06 Mar 2010 11:08:23 -0500, ng_reader<wilgrow_co@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 3/5/2010 8:21 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
>>> On Fri, 05 Mar 2010 18:26:01 -0500, ng_reader<wilgrow_co@hotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Actually I'm not sure I *am* going to fix it. I think what I'll do is
>>>> wait for a replacement to come in, take the the data off via burned
>>>> DVDs, and start over again.
>>>
>>> Save yourself a ton of headache and transfer the data across a local
>>> network, even if it's as simple as just connecting the two computers
>>> together.
>>>
>>> Alternatively, just slave the old hard drive into the new computer
>>> temporarily and do a drive-to-drive data transfer. That would be the
>>> fastest by far. Both of these methods avoid burning DVD's.
>>>
>>>> Or I might just chuck it. It's got a problem with the USB ports that I
>>>> think might be physical. If so it's of little use to me.
>>>
>>> If all it needs are more USB ports, you can usually add a card to give
>>> you as many as 4 more ports for under $10. Here's just one example.
>>>
>>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815124007
>>>
>>
>>
>> Aye, this is a good group.
>>
>> Unfortunately I think I want to "spite" this freaking computer. Yes, a
>> cheap USB card would have worked. So would have a PS2 Mouse and
>> Keyboard. Try and find them outside of Newegg. I dare you.
>
> I live in fairly big city. I can find those items locally with no
> problem, or easier still, I can find lots of shops that sell PS/2
> adapters. You're right, though, it's super easy to order online.
>
>> I went to Overstock auctions and bought a Bestbuy reject computer.
>>
>> I mean, how could that be a bad idea?
>
> Depends on why it was rejected. :)
>

Well it comes next week, and I think I *will* try and transfer data
across my LAN.

Master/slave would likely be dicey as that is the existing configuration
and, as the saying goes, three makes company.

As for the rejected PC coming in, yes we'll play wait and see. Prolly a
mistake, as Dell and my local "Sam's Club" have a new PC with display
for not much more and this has no display, naturally.
 
C

Char Jackson

Flightless Bird
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 11:24:02 -0500, ng_reader <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>On 3/6/2010 9:01 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
>> On Sat, 06 Mar 2010 11:08:23 -0500, ng_reader<wilgrow_co@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 3/5/2010 8:21 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 05 Mar 2010 18:26:01 -0500, ng_reader<wilgrow_co@hotmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Actually I'm not sure I *am* going to fix it. I think what I'll do is
>>>>> wait for a replacement to come in, take the the data off via burned
>>>>> DVDs, and start over again.
>>>>
>>>> Save yourself a ton of headache and transfer the data across a local
>>>> network, even if it's as simple as just connecting the two computers
>>>> together.
>>>>
>>>> Alternatively, just slave the old hard drive into the new computer
>>>> temporarily and do a drive-to-drive data transfer. That would be the
>>>> fastest by far. Both of these methods avoid burning DVD's.
>>>>
>>>>> Or I might just chuck it. It's got a problem with the USB ports that I
>>>>> think might be physical. If so it's of little use to me.
>>>>
>>>> If all it needs are more USB ports, you can usually add a card to give
>>>> you as many as 4 more ports for under $10. Here's just one example.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815124007
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Aye, this is a good group.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately I think I want to "spite" this freaking computer. Yes, a
>>> cheap USB card would have worked. So would have a PS2 Mouse and
>>> Keyboard. Try and find them outside of Newegg. I dare you.
>>
>> I live in fairly big city. I can find those items locally with no
>> problem, or easier still, I can find lots of shops that sell PS/2
>> adapters. You're right, though, it's super easy to order online.
>>
>>> I went to Overstock auctions and bought a Bestbuy reject computer.
>>>
>>> I mean, how could that be a bad idea?
>>
>> Depends on why it was rejected. :)
>>
>
>Well it comes next week, and I think I *will* try and transfer data
>across my LAN.
>
>Master/slave would likely be dicey as that is the existing configuration
>and, as the saying goes, three makes company.

What's dicey about it? I'm currently running 7 SATA hard drives, a
CD/DVD burner taking up another drive slot, and have room and
connectors for 4 more (IDE/PATA) hard drives. There's nothing dicey
about expanding beyond 2 drives.

>As for the rejected PC coming in, yes we'll play wait and see. Prolly a
>mistake, as Dell and my local "Sam's Club" have a new PC with display
>for not much more and this has no display, naturally.

There's always a better deal waiting just around the corner. :)
 
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ng_reader

Flightless Bird
<snip>
>
> What's dicey about it? I'm currently running 7 SATA hard drives, a
> CD/DVD burner taking up another drive slot, and have room and
> connectors for 4 more (IDE/PATA) hard drives. There's nothing dicey
> about expanding beyond 2 drives.

I am still new to SATA. Both internal drives are using IDE connectors. I
think one of them is on channel 0 and the other on channel 1 with a DVD
on the ribbon cable of one of 'em.

For one, I'd like to examine the LAN configurations because I've always
run afoul and for once I'd like to make it work. Computers can be a
funny lot. Unless you know exactly what you are doing. But, I think to
the casual observer most recognize I do not.

Holy Toledo, 7 drives is a lot. Maybe that's just a lucky number. I've
heard it is.
 
C

Char Jackson

Flightless Bird
On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 17:07:22 -0500, ng_reader <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com>
wrote:

><snip>
>>
>> What's dicey about it? I'm currently running 7 SATA hard drives, a
>> CD/DVD burner taking up another drive slot, and have room and
>> connectors for 4 more (IDE/PATA) hard drives. There's nothing dicey
>> about expanding beyond 2 drives.
>
>I am still new to SATA. Both internal drives are using IDE connectors. I
>think one of them is on channel 0 and the other on channel 1 with a DVD
>on the ribbon cable of one of 'em.
>
>For one, I'd like to examine the LAN configurations because I've always
>run afoul and for once I'd like to make it work. Computers can be a
>funny lot. Unless you know exactly what you are doing. But, I think to
>the casual observer most recognize I do not.
>
>Holy Toledo, 7 drives is a lot. Maybe that's just a lucky number. I've
>heard it is.

OK, well holler if you run into any problems. There's no better way to
learn than by getting in there and trying different things. Plus,
there seem to be a lot of people here for whom Windows networking is
an easy walk in the park, so I'm sure no matter what you run into
we've seen it before.
 
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