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XP Pro question

Discussion in 'Windows XP' started by Motort, Apr 5, 2010.

  1. Motort

    Motort Flightless Bird

    I'm considering buying a Full version Windows XP Professional in
    anticipating an advance to Windows 7. (Have no previous Windows
    products). I don't know if the version has any Service Packs. If it
    doesn't can I still get them, or is support for professional expired?
    As an aside, what version of Windows 7 do I need for a system that
    has never had a Microsoft product? Thanks.
     
  2. smlunatick

    smlunatick Flightless Bird

    On Apr 5, 4:07 pm, Motort <u...@domain.invalid> wrote:
    >         I'm considering buying a Full version Windows XP Professional in
    > anticipating an advance to Windows 7. (Have no previous Windows
    > products). I don't know if the version has any Service Packs. If it
    > doesn't can I still get them, or is support for professional expired?
    >         As an aside, what version of Windows 7 do I need for a system that
    > has never had a Microsoft product? Thanks.


    Why would you want to buy Windows XP just to replace it with Windows
    7? Windows 7 Upgrade will not upgrade from XP. It will create a
    "custom" fresh install.
     
  3. Motort

    Motort Flightless Bird

    smlunatick wrote:
    > On Apr 5, 4:07 pm, Motort <u...@domain.invalid> wrote:
    >> I'm considering buying a Full version Windows XP Professional in
    >> anticipating an advance to Windows 7. (Have no previous Windows
    >> products). I don't know if the version has any Service Packs. If it
    >> doesn't can I still get them, or is support for professional expired?
    >> As an aside, what version of Windows 7 do I need for a system that
    >> has never had a Microsoft product? Thanks.

    >
    > Why would you want to buy Windows XP just to replace it with Windows
    > 7? Windows 7 Upgrade will not upgrade from XP. It will create a
    > "custom" fresh install.


    So, then I wouldn't have to provide proof of any previous windows
    products? I'm considering Windows Home Premium Full. Is that all I'd
    need? Thanks.
     
  4. smlunatick

    smlunatick Flightless Bird

    On Apr 5, 4:28 pm, Motort <u...@domain.invalid> wrote:
    > smlunatick wrote:
    > > On Apr 5, 4:07 pm, Motort <u...@domain.invalid> wrote:
    > >>         I'm considering buying a Full version Windows XP Professional in
    > >> anticipating an advance to Windows 7. (Have no previous Windows
    > >> products). I don't know if the version has any Service Packs. If it
    > >> doesn't can I still get them, or is support for professional expired?
    > >>         As an aside, what version of Windows 7 do I need for asystem that
    > >> has never had a Microsoft product? Thanks.

    >
    > > Why would you want to buy Windows XP just to replace it with Windows
    > > 7?  Windows 7 Upgrade will not upgrade from XP.  It will create a
    > > "custom" fresh install.

    >
    >         So, then I wouldn't have to provide proof of any previouswindows
    > products? I'm considering Windows Home Premium Full. Is that all I'd
    > need? Thanks.


    Windows 7 Upgrades will still require a "qualifying" previous Windows
    version. Windows XP will qualify but the Upgrade will require to have
    availably partition disk space to create the newer Windows 7
    installation:

    http://windows.microsoft.com/en-ca/windows7/help/upgrading-from-windows-xp-to-windows-7
     
  5. PA Bear [MS MVP]

    PA Bear [MS MVP] Flightless Bird

    Upgrading to Windows 7: frequently asked questions
    http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows7/upgrading-to-windows-7-frequently-asked-questions


    Motort wrote:
    > I'm considering buying a Full version Windows XP Professional in
    > anticipating an advance to Windows 7. (Have no previous Windows
    > products). I don't know if the version has any Service Packs. If it
    > doesn't can I still get them, or is support for professional expired?
    > As an aside, what version of Windows 7 do I need for a system that
    > has never had a Microsoft product? Thanks.
     
  6. db

    db Flightless Bird

    you should go the
    machines homesite
    to check out what
    version of windows
    it was designed for.

    if it was designed for
    xp then it is highly
    unlikely that win7
    can function on it.

    the same can be said
    for machines designed
    for win7.

    some machines can't
    be downgraded if the
    maker hasn't provided
    critical drivers for it and
    made for the xp o.s.

    in any case, microsoft
    provides a win7 upgrade
    advisor.

    you should use the program
    in addition to the facts you
    ascertain from the maker
    of the machine to determine
    if upgrading to win7 is
    flawless or problematic /
    impossible.

    --

    db·´¯`·...¸><)))º>
    DatabaseBen, Retired Professional
    - Systems Analyst
    - Database Developer
    - Accountancy
    - Veteran of the Armed Forces
    - Microsoft Partner
    - @hotmail.com
    ~~~~~~~~~~"share the nirvana" - dbZen

    >
    >


    "Motort" <user@domain.invalid> wrote in message news:uiWd0GN1KHA.4412@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
    > I'm considering buying a Full version Windows XP Professional in anticipating an advance to Windows 7. (Have no previous Windows
    > products). I don't know if the version has any Service Packs. If it doesn't can I still get them, or is support for professional
    > expired?
    > As an aside, what version of Windows 7 do I need for a system that has never had a Microsoft product? Thanks.
     
  7. Motort

    Motort Flightless Bird

    smlunatick wrote:
    > On Apr 5, 4:28 pm, Motort <u...@domain.invalid> wrote:
    >> smlunatick wrote:
    >>> On Apr 5, 4:07 pm, Motort <u...@domain.invalid> wrote:
    >>>> I'm considering buying a Full version Windows XP Professional in
    >>>> anticipating an advance to Windows 7. (Have no previous Windows
    >>>> products). I don't know if the version has any Service Packs. If it
    >>>> doesn't can I still get them, or is support for professional expired?
    >>>> As an aside, what version of Windows 7 do I need for a system that
    >>>> has never had a Microsoft product? Thanks.
    >>> Why would you want to buy Windows XP just to replace it with Windows
    >>> 7? Windows 7 Upgrade will not upgrade from XP. It will create a
    >>> "custom" fresh install.

    >> So, then I wouldn't have to provide proof of any previous windows
    >> products? I'm considering Windows Home Premium Full. Is that all I'd
    >> need? Thanks.

    >
    > Windows 7 Upgrades will still require a "qualifying" previous Windows
    > version. Windows XP will qualify but the Upgrade will require to have
    > availably partition disk space to create the newer Windows 7
    > installation:
    >
    > http://windows.microsoft.com/en-ca/windows7/help/upgrading-from-windows-xp-to-windows-7


    If I just landed on this planet, built a new computer with a brand
    spankin' new hard drive (never seen a Microsoft product), which
    Windows 7 edition could I legally install as my OS? (Doesn't require
    previous Windows of any kind). Thanks.
     
  8. joe

    joe Flightless Bird

    db

    Your posts are so difficult to read it looks like a Don Juan poem. Your
    answers are great but why oh why can't you change the layout?


    "db" <databaseben at hotmail dot com> wrote in message
    news:AADE8E6F-CD4E-4D1D-B77B-7053D34D33DB@microsoft.com...
    > you should go the
    > machines homesite
    > to check out what
    > version of windows
    > it was designed for.
    >
    > if it was designed for
    > xp then it is highly
    > unlikely that win7
    > can function on it.
    >
    > the same can be said
    > for machines designed
    > for win7.
    >
    > some machines can't
    > be downgraded if the
    > maker hasn't provided
    > critical drivers for it and
    > made for the xp o.s.
    >
    > in any case, microsoft
    > provides a win7 upgrade
    > advisor.
    >
    > you should use the program
    > in addition to the facts you
    > ascertain from the maker
    > of the machine to determine
    > if upgrading to win7 is
    > flawless or problematic /
    > impossible.
    >
    > --
    >
    > db·´¯`·...¸><)))º>
    > DatabaseBen, Retired Professional
    > - Systems Analyst
    > - Database Developer
    > - Accountancy
    > - Veteran of the Armed Forces
    > - Microsoft Partner
    > - @hotmail.com
    > ~~~~~~~~~~"share the nirvana" - dbZen
    >
    >>
    >>

    >
    > "Motort" <user@domain.invalid> wrote in message
    > news:uiWd0GN1KHA.4412@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
    >> I'm considering buying a Full version Windows XP Professional in
    >> anticipating an advance to Windows 7. (Have no previous Windows
    >> products). I don't know if the version has any Service Packs. If it
    >> doesn't can I still get them, or is support for professional
    >> expired?
    >> As an aside, what version of Windows 7 do I need for a system that has
    >> never had a Microsoft product? Thanks.

    >
     
  9. DL

    DL Flightless Bird

    Any full retail version of win 7, ie not an upgrade version

    One assumes whatever sys you are installing on meets the win 7 hardware
    requirements

    "Motort" <user@domain.invalid> wrote in message
    news:uYMAWyN1KHA.4548@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
    > smlunatick wrote:
    >> On Apr 5, 4:28 pm, Motort <u...@domain.invalid> wrote:
    >>> smlunatick wrote:
    >>>> On Apr 5, 4:07 pm, Motort <u...@domain.invalid> wrote:
    >>>>> I'm considering buying a Full version Windows XP Professional
    >>>>> in
    >>>>> anticipating an advance to Windows 7. (Have no previous Windows
    >>>>> products). I don't know if the version has any Service Packs. If it
    >>>>> doesn't can I still get them, or is support for professional expired?
    >>>>> As an aside, what version of Windows 7 do I need for a system
    >>>>> that
    >>>>> has never had a Microsoft product? Thanks.
    >>>> Why would you want to buy Windows XP just to replace it with Windows
    >>>> 7? Windows 7 Upgrade will not upgrade from XP. It will create a
    >>>> "custom" fresh install.
    >>> So, then I wouldn't have to provide proof of any previous
    >>> windows
    >>> products? I'm considering Windows Home Premium Full. Is that all I'd
    >>> need? Thanks.

    >>
    >> Windows 7 Upgrades will still require a "qualifying" previous Windows
    >> version. Windows XP will qualify but the Upgrade will require to have
    >> availably partition disk space to create the newer Windows 7
    >> installation:
    >>
    >> http://windows.microsoft.com/en-ca/windows7/help/upgrading-from-windows-xp-to-windows-7

    >
    > If I just landed on this planet, built a new computer with a brand
    > spankin' new hard drive (never seen a Microsoft product), which Windows 7
    > edition could I legally install as my OS? (Doesn't require previous
    > Windows of any kind). Thanks.
     
  10. The Seabat

    The Seabat Flightless Bird

    On Mon, 05 Apr 2010 09:25:17 -0700, Motort <user@domain.invalid>
    wrote:

    >>smlunatick wrote:
    >>> On Apr 5, 4:28 pm, Motort <u...@domain.invalid> wrote:
    >>>> smlunatick wrote:
    >>>>> On Apr 5, 4:07 pm, Motort <u...@domain.invalid> wrote:
    >>>>>> I'm considering buying a Full version Windows XP Professional in
    >>>>>> anticipating an advance to Windows 7. (Have no previous Windows
    >>>>>> products). I don't know if the version has any Service Packs. If it
    >>>>>> doesn't can I still get them, or is support for professional expired?
    >>>>>> As an aside, what version of Windows 7 do I need for a system that
    >>>>>> has never had a Microsoft product? Thanks.
    >>>>> Why would you want to buy Windows XP just to replace it with Windows
    >>>>> 7? Windows 7 Upgrade will not upgrade from XP. It will create a
    >>>>> "custom" fresh install.
    >>>> So, then I wouldn't have to provide proof of any previous windows
    >>>> products? I'm considering Windows Home Premium Full. Is that all I'd
    >>>> need? Thanks.
    >>>
    >>> Windows 7 Upgrades will still require a "qualifying" previous Windows
    >>> version. Windows XP will qualify but the Upgrade will require to have
    >>> availably partition disk space to create the newer Windows 7
    >>> installation:
    >>>
    >>> http://windows.microsoft.com/en-ca/windows7/help/upgrading-from-windows-xp-to-windows-7

    >>
    >> If I just landed on this planet, built a new computer with a brand
    >>spankin' new hard drive (never seen a Microsoft product), which
    >>Windows 7 edition could I legally install as my OS? (Doesn't require
    >>previous Windows of any kind). Thanks.


    Any of them.
    --
    The seabat
    Filtering GoogleGroups & Goobers with extreme prejudice!
    Usenet Improvement Project: R.I.P. Lee aka Blinky the Shark
     
  11. Ken Blake, MVP

    Ken Blake, MVP Flightless Bird

    On Mon, 05 Apr 2010 08:07:38 -0700, Motort <user@domain.invalid>
    wrote:

    > I'm considering buying a Full version Windows XP Professional in
    > anticipating an advance to Windows 7.



    Why? Why do you want to spend extra money to buy two operating systems
    instead of just one? If you want Windows 7, buy Windows 7.


    > (Have no previous Windows
    > products). I don't know if the version has any Service Packs. If it
    > doesn't can I still get them, or is support for professional expired?
    > As an aside, what version of Windows 7 do I need for a system that
    > has never had a Microsoft product? Thanks.



    Just buy the retail Windows 7 Full version and forget about XP.

    --
    Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003
    Please Reply to the Newsgroup
     
  12. Doum

    Doum Flightless Bird

    Motort <user@domain.invalid> écrivait news:uiWd0GN1KHA.4412
    @TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl:

    > I'm considering buying a Full version Windows XP Professional in
    > anticipating an advance to Windows 7. (Have no previous Windows
    > products). I don't know if the version has any Service Packs. If it
    > doesn't can I still get them, or is support for professional expired?
    > As an aside, what version of Windows 7 do I need for a system that
    > has never had a Microsoft product? Thanks.
    >


    http://www.newegg.com/Store/SubCategory.aspx?SubCategory=368
    &name=Operating-Systems

    Compare the prices on this page and you will see that it's not worth it to
    buy XP if you eventually want to get Seven.

    XP PRO OEM is $190 and the Seven pro upgrade is $176 for a total of $366.

    On the other hand Seven Ultimate FULL is $285, Seven Home Premium FULL $180
    and Seven Pro FULL is $269, those FULL packages don't need a previous
    version.

    On what computer do you want to install this?
     
  13. Bruce Chambers

    Bruce Chambers Flightless Bird

    Motort wrote:
    >
    >
    > If I just landed on this planet, built a new computer with a brand
    > spankin' new hard drive (never seen a Microsoft product), which Windows
    > 7 edition could I legally install as my OS? (Doesn't require previous
    > Windows of any kind). Thanks.



    You'll need a Full (*not* upgrade) license for whichever edition best
    meets your computing needs, of which you've told us absolutely nothing.

    Compare Windows 7 Home Premium, Professional, and Ultimate
    http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/compare/default.aspx


    --

    Bruce Chambers

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    killed a great many philosophers.
    ~ Denis Diderot
     
  14. LD55ZRA

    LD55ZRA Flightless Bird

    If you search hard on the net, you will find that you DON't need
    any previous version of Office XP or Vista to install Windows 7
    using an upgrade DVD of Win7. This is a fact but morons, who
    define morality, will tell you otherwise.

    If you agree, I can post links to articles I have written about
    this subject.

    hth


    Motort wrote:
    >
    >
    > So, then I wouldn't have to provide proof of any previous windows
    > products? I'm considering Windows Home Premium Full. Is that all I'd
    > need? Thanks.


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  15. LD55ZRA

    LD55ZRA Flightless Bird

    smlunatick wrote:
    >


    > Windows 7 Upgrades will still require a "qualifying" previous Windows
    > version.


    Rubbish; Rubbish; Rubbish; Rubbish; Rubbish; Rubbish; Rubbish;
    Rubbish; Rubbish; Rubbish; Rubbish; Rubbish;

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  16. LD55ZRA

    LD55ZRA Flightless Bird

    Motort wrote:
    >


    > If I just landed on this planet, built a new computer with a brand
    > spankin' new hard drive (never seen a Microsoft product), which
    > Windows 7 edition could I legally install as my OS? (Doesn't require
    > previous Windows of any kind). Thanks.



    When you say legally what exactly do you mean by that. Do you
    mean to say legality as understood by Microsoft who goes around
    pirating somebody's Patent or legality as defined by morons whose
    morality is completely twisted?

    hth


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  17. LD55ZRA

    LD55ZRA Flightless Bird

    joe wrote:
    >
    > db
    >
    > Your posts are so difficult to read it looks like a Don Juan poem. Your
    > answers are great but why oh why can't you change the layout?
    >


    He has changed it because Pig-Bear was having problems reading his
    messages in his newsreader. Apparently they had very long lines
    and required him {Pig-Bear i mean} to move his hand to scroll left
    to right and so DB came to this wonderful compromise. this layout
    has been around for nearly 5 years it seems. check it out!!!

    hth

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  18. Twayne

    Twayne Flightless Bird

    In news:AADE8E6F-CD4E-4D1D-B77B-7053D34D33DB@microsoft.com,
    db <databaseben at hotmail dot com> typed:
    > you should go the
    > machines homesite
    > to check out what
    > version of windows
    > it was designed for.
    >
    > if it was designed for
    > xp then it is highly
    > unlikely that win7
    > can function on it.
    >
    > the same can be said
    > for machines designed
    > for win7.
    >
    > some machines can't
    > be downgraded if the
    > maker hasn't provided
    > critical drivers for it and
    > made for the xp o.s.

    ....

    Well, sort of. I am writing this on a win7 machine with XP and
    4 Gig of RAM installed. The XP install disk is identical to
    the one from my other purchase; it's only locked by
    Activation. Many win7 machines can still run XP. The drivers
    issue is really only around the chipset and any cheapo onboard
    things they might have on the mobo. On this Dell though,
    either works as well as the other with the standard install
    disks. It arrived with win7; didn't like it, so installed a
    retail XP; no problems; even all onboard stuff works.
    Standard chipset, etc..
    Other than the chipset, I have yet to see any mainstream
    product for win7 that doesn't also have drivers for winXP.
    That does NOT mean however, that any win7 can be downgraded to
    XP; start by checking out the chipset drivers.

    HTH,

    Twayne`
     
  19. vip

    vip Flightless Bird


    > If I just landed on this planet, built a new computer with a brand
    > spankin' new hard drive (never seen a Microsoft product), which Windows
    > 7 edition could I legally install as my OS? (Doesn't require previous
    > Windows of any kind). Thanks.


    I have followed your thread thus far, and I have a Q for you. Why are
    you so bent on updating to the latest windows product when you seem to
    be not too sure how to use the others?
    What is it that you do on a computer? Is it something specific that
    you feel W7 has to offer that you cant access now?
    I dont use 7 or Vespa (putt putt), and for most part, xp.
    Personally, I could launch the shuttle from win3.1

    Why are you bent on giving $micro $$'s when it seems you havent mastered
    the crux of computing.

    Just a thought.
     

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