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XP on SSD flash drive?

Discussion in 'Windows XP' started by npx@no.spam, Apr 3, 2010.

  1. npx@no.spam

    npx@no.spam Flightless Bird

    Can XP install on an SSD flash drive? or does it not have the drivers,
    can it only install on a regular hard disk?
     
  2. Pegasus [MVP]

    Pegasus [MVP] Flightless Bird

    <npx@no.spam> wrote in message
    news:aa6fr599lqvun00eck8dsakm2j5bts7urs@4ax.com...
    > Can XP install on an SSD flash drive? or does it not have the drivers,
    > can it only install on a regular hard disk?


    You would not want to. Compared to magnetic disks, flash disks are very
    slow. They also have a limit of less than 1,000 rewrite cycles, thus wearing
    out in no time at all.
     
  3. Doug W.

    Doug W. Flightless Bird

    "Pegasus [MVP]" <news@microsoft.com> wrote in message
    news:ee576r30KHA.4548@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
    >
    >
    > <npx@no.spam> wrote in message
    > news:aa6fr599lqvun00eck8dsakm2j5bts7urs@4ax.com...
    >> Can XP install on an SSD flash drive? or does it not have the
    >> drivers,
    >> can it only install on a regular hard disk?

    >
    > You would not want to. Compared to magnetic disks, flash disks
    > are very slow. They also have a limit of less than 1,000
    > rewrite cycles, thus wearing out in no time at all.

    ==
    From Wikipedia:

    A USB flash drive consists of flash memory data storage device
    integrated with a USB (Universal Serial Bus) 1.1 or 2.0
    interface. USB flash drives are typically removable and
    rewritable, much smaller than a floppy disk, and most weigh less
    than 30 g (1 oz).[1] Storage capacities in 2010 can be as large
    as 256 GB[2] with steady improvements in size and price per
    capacity. Some allow 1 million write or erase cycles[3][4] and
    have a 10-year data retention cycle.

    ======

    The write or erase cycles stated are somewhat more than your
    figures but still one wouldn't want the OS on a flash drive.
    ==
     
  4. Paul

    Paul Flightless Bird

    npx@no.spam wrote:
    > Can XP install on an SSD flash drive? or does it not have the drivers,
    > can it only install on a regular hard disk?


    If you find the right web site, there are all sorts of little bits
    of trivia, about optimizing the OS for use with an SSD (not all the
    suggestions are absolutely necessary, but some of them make good
    sense). For one thing, you want to disable the updating of "last accessed"
    information, as that cuts down on nuisance writes to the drive. The drive
    may benefit from partition re-alignment. The default choice of starting
    at sector 63, is not good for the new 4K sector hard drives (so-called
    "Advanced Format") or for SSD drives (SSDs may be handling data internally,
    in 128KB blocks).

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRIM

    http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/forum/showthread.php?48309 (Partition-alignment)

    http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/forum/showthread.php?43460-Making-XP-pro-SSD-friendly

    If you want good drive life, get one with SLC flash memory, as it
    is supposed to last about 10x longer than MLC. MLC is cheaper. Wear
    leveling ensures that the blocks get closer to equal numbers
    of write cycles to them. Some drives will have a rating, such as
    "you can write 20MB/sec of data to this drive, for the next 5 years",
    to indicate what drive life can be expected.

    You will immediately be able to use your new SATA SSD with the
    OS, since to the OS, it looks like a hard drive. Some of the more
    modern OSes, recognize the device is an SSD and have software
    tuned for it. With WinXP, it is just going to think it is a
    regular drive. By using all that tuning crap, you improve
    the behavior of your new drive, with respect to the older OS.

    Particularly annoying with SSDs, is the drop in performance
    associated with their handling of used and free blocks. Some
    pathological usage patterns, can cause the drive to slow right
    down. There are yet more articles about this, and how to fix it.

    New vs Used SSD Performance
    http://www.anandtech.com/show/2738/13

    Understanding and Choosing the Best SSD
    http://www.anandtech.com/show/2829/1

    If you get anything from this exercise, it'll be lots of
    research and added links to your bookmarks file.

    Have fun,
    Paul
     
  5. T Shadow

    T Shadow Flightless Bird

    <npx@no.spam> wrote in message
    news:aa6fr599lqvun00eck8dsakm2j5bts7urs@4ax.com...
    > Can XP install on an SSD flash drive? or does it not have the drivers,
    > can it only install on a regular hard disk?



    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid-state_drive

    Look at Microsoft Windows and exFAT
     
  6. Twayne

    Twayne Flightless Bird

    In news:eZnAhx30KHA.5828@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl,
    Doug W. <stand@attention> typed:
    > "Pegasus [MVP]" <news@microsoft.com> wrote in message
    > news:ee576r30KHA.4548@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
    >>
    >>
    >> <npx@no.spam> wrote in message
    >> news:aa6fr599lqvun00eck8dsakm2j5bts7urs@4ax.com...
    >>> Can XP install on an SSD flash drive? or does it not have
    >>> the drivers,
    >>> can it only install on a regular hard disk?

    >>
    >> You would not want to. Compared to magnetic disks, flash
    >> disks are very slow. They also have a limit of less than
    >> 1,000 rewrite cycles, thus wearing out in no time at all.

    > ==
    > From Wikipedia:
    >
    > A USB flash drive consists of flash memory data storage
    > device integrated with a USB (Universal Serial Bus) 1.1 or
    > 2.0 interface. USB flash drives are typically removable and
    > rewritable, much smaller than a floppy disk, and most weigh
    > less than 30 g (1 oz).[1] Storage capacities in 2010 can be
    > as large as 256 GB[2] with steady improvements in size and
    > price per capacity. Some allow 1 million write or erase
    > cycles[3][4] and have a 10-year data retention cycle.
    >
    > ======
    >
    > The write or erase cycles stated are somewhat more than your
    > figures but still one wouldn't want the OS on a flash
    > drive. ==


    I dont' think a million cycles would take long when you
    consider that the registry is constantly being read and
    written to even when the computer is thought to be idle.
    Intuitively it feels like less than a year's worth of use. The
    technology is moving fast though; it's interesting to follow
    it.

    HTH,

    Twayne`
     
  7. dwn

    dwn Flightless Bird

    On Sat, 3 Apr 2010 16:24:02 -0600, "Doug W." <stand@attention> wrote:


    I have a Toshiba 16GB Flash drive, use it for daily backup one to three
    times a day. I did not know nor did I take the time to find out more.
    Now it really worry me, any idea how many rewrite before it fail?

    Thanks

    >A USB flash drive consists of flash memory data storage device
    >integrated with a USB (Universal Serial Bus) 1.1 or 2.0
    >interface. USB flash drives are typically removable and
    >rewritable, much smaller than a floppy disk, and most weigh less
    >than 30 g (1 oz).[1] Storage capacities in 2010 can be as large
    >as 256 GB[2] with steady improvements in size and price per
    >capacity. Some allow 1 million write or erase cycles[3][4] and
    >have a 10-year data retention cycle.
    >
    >======
    >
    >The write or erase cycles stated are somewhat more than your
    >figures but still one wouldn't want the OS on a flash drive.
    >==
    >
    >
     
  8. Doug W.

    Doug W. Flightless Bird

    "dwn >" <dwn <dwnns@nonet.net> wrote in message
    news:hp8to102v3u@news7.newsguy.com...
    > On Sat, 3 Apr 2010 16:24:02 -0600, "Doug W." <stand@attention>
    > wrote:
    >
    >
    > I have a Toshiba 16GB Flash drive, use it for daily backup one
    > to three
    > times a day. I did not know nor did I take the time to find
    > out more.
    > Now it really worry me, any idea how many rewrite before it
    > fail?
    >
    > Thanks
    >
    >>A USB flash drive consists of flash memory data storage device
    >>integrated with a USB (Universal Serial Bus) 1.1 or 2.0
    >>interface. USB flash drives are typically removable and
    >>rewritable, much smaller than a floppy disk, and most weigh
    >>less
    >>than 30 g (1 oz).[1] Storage capacities in 2010 can be as
    >>large
    >>as 256 GB[2] with steady improvements in size and price per
    >>capacity. Some allow 1 million write or erase cycles[3][4] and
    >>have a 10-year data retention cycle.
    >>
    >>======
    >>
    >>The write or erase cycles stated are somewhat more than your
    >>figures but still one wouldn't want the OS on a flash drive.
    >>==
    >>
    >>

    Perhaps with the prices dropping every year you could afford to
    back-up to another flash drive as well for extra backup
    insurance.

    ==
     
  9. LD55ZRA

    LD55ZRA Flightless Bird

    No because we don't encourage nor support people asking questions
    which are considered to be for fun and not for serious computing.
    OS should always be installed on a fixed hard disk so that it
    doesn't move or taken away by unscrupulous people. If you want
    something that can help you to access NTFS file system from which
    you want to create a backup then I suggest download a Windows 7
    recovery disk or Windows Vista recovery disks from here:


    <http://neosmart.net/blog/2008/windows-vista-recovery-disc-download/>

    hth


    npx@no.spam wrote:
    >
    > Can XP install on an SSD flash drive? or does it not have the drivers,
    > can it only install on a regular hard disk?


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  10. LVTravel

    LVTravel Flightless Bird

    "dwn>" <dwn <dwnns@nonet.net> wrote in message
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    > On Sat, 3 Apr 2010 16:24:02 -0600, "Doug W." <stand@attention> wrote:
    >
    >
    > I have a Toshiba 16GB Flash drive, use it for daily backup one to three
    > times a day. I did not know nor did I take the time to find out more.
    > Now it really worry me, any idea how many rewrite before it fail?
    >
    > Thanks
    >

    SNIP

    >

    No one can tell you that information.

    A flash drive can fail the first time it is used or after many thousands of
    cycles. I have one older 256 MB drive that has been written to at least
    10,000 times with full erase or format over 100 times. Now, do I depend on
    that drive to store non-recoverable data. Absolutely not. To depend on a
    flash drive as a sole backup mechanism is flirting with disaster. You would
    be better served to backup to a USB, Firewire or SATA external hard drive.
    They are normally more dependable but, of course, they can fail also.
     
  11. db

    db Flightless Bird

    hp.com has two
    programs that will
    allow xp to install
    on a flash drive.

    one program formats
    the drive and the other
    creates a boot sector.

    it's a fun project but
    in my opinion when
    I created a xp usb

    it was basically not
    useful and found a
    better use for the
    usb.

    another consideration
    that should be taken
    into account is if your
    machine can boot via
    usb.

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    >
    >


    <npx@no.spam> wrote in message news:aa6fr599lqvun00eck8dsakm2j5bts7urs@4ax.com...
    > Can XP install on an SSD flash drive? or does it not have the drivers,
    > can it only install on a regular hard disk?
     
  12. Bob I

    Bob I Flightless Bird

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