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XP Install Keeps Seeing 131 megs On System Drive

Discussion in 'Windows XP' started by (PeteCresswell), Jul 17, 2010.

  1. (PeteCresswell)

    (PeteCresswell) Flightless Bird

    I've tried installing XP several times now - both with a virgin
    Samsung 500-gigger from Samsung, and a tried-and-true WD 250.

    In both cases, the XP setup seems tb seeing a disc of only 131+
    megs.

    First time around, with the 500-gigger, I just went with it. Got
    what looked tb a good install, but the system partition was, as
    expected, only 127 gigs. However when I went to create a second
    partition via MyComputer | Manage | Disk Management was only
    seeing 127 - i.e there was not the expected 300+ gigs of
    unpartitioned space.

    Similar deal with the 250.

    Then I took the 500, put it in a USB wrapper, plugged it into
    another XP box, and formatted/partitioned it with a 40-gig system
    partition and the balance as a data partition.

    Put it back in the problem box and XP install still saw 131 gigs
    as the total disc space.

    Went through the same exercise with the 250, similar results.


    What's magic about 131-or-so gigs?

    I've also gotten several blue screen w/"A problem has been
    detected and windows has been shut down to prevent damage to your
    computer. DRIVE_IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL"

    Not every time... just about 1 out of every three attempts.

    My gut says "User Error"... but what am I doing wrong?

    D865GLCLK Intel 865G Socket 478 mobo.
    --
    PeteCresswell
     
  2. Patok

    Patok Flightless Bird

    (PeteCresswell) wrote:
    > I've tried installing XP several times now - both with a virgin
    > Samsung 500-gigger from Samsung, and a tried-and-true WD 250.
    >
    > In both cases, the XP setup seems tb seeing a disc of only 131+
    > megs.
    >
    > First time around, with the 500-gigger, I just went with it. Got
    > what looked tb a good install, but the system partition was, as
    > expected, only 127 gigs. However when I went to create a second
    > partition via MyComputer | Manage | Disk Management was only
    > seeing 127 - i.e there was not the expected 300+ gigs of
    > unpartitioned space.
    >
    > Similar deal with the 250.
    >
    > Then I took the 500, put it in a USB wrapper, plugged it into
    > another XP box, and formatted/partitioned it with a 40-gig system
    > partition and the balance as a data partition.
    >
    > Put it back in the problem box and XP install still saw 131 gigs
    > as the total disc space.
    >
    > Went through the same exercise with the 250, similar results.
    >
    > What's magic about 131-or-so gigs?


    The lack of 48 bits. :) Read about it here:

    http://www.48bitlba.com/

    You didn't write what kind of interface you have, but if it is parallel
    IDE ATA/ATAPI, this is most likely the reason. Or, your controller is
    malfunctioning. Does the below error happen with both drives, or just
    the one? I have seen it only once, (meaning on one computer, many times)
    when the hard drive was beginning to fail, and went away after I
    replaced the drive. In case your controller is somehow fried, it could
    be responsible for both effects.


    > I've also gotten several blue screen w/"A problem has been
    > detected and windows has been shut down to prevent damage to your
    > computer. DRIVE_IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL"
    >
    > Not every time... just about 1 out of every three attempts.
    >
    > My gut says "User Error"... but what am I doing wrong?
    >
    > D865GLCLK Intel 865G Socket 478 mobo.



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  3. Andy

    Andy Flightless Bird

    The original, pre-SP1, XP CD is limited to 28-bit LBA (logical block
    address). 2^28 blocks x 512 bytes/block = 137,438,953,412 bytes.
    137,438,953,412 bytes / 1024 bytes/kilobytes = 134,217,728 kilobytes.
    134,217,728 kilobytes / 1024 kilobytes/megabytes = 131,072 megabytes.
    This is where the magical 131,000 megabytes that you see in Windows
    setup comes from.

    On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 21:14:11 -0400, "(PeteCresswell)" <x@y.Invalid>
    wrote:

    >I've tried installing XP several times now - both with a virgin
    >Samsung 500-gigger from Samsung, and a tried-and-true WD 250.
    >
    >In both cases, the XP setup seems tb seeing a disc of only 131+
    >megs.
    >
    >First time around, with the 500-gigger, I just went with it. Got
    >what looked tb a good install, but the system partition was, as
    >expected, only 127 gigs. However when I went to create a second
    >partition via MyComputer | Manage | Disk Management was only
    >seeing 127 - i.e there was not the expected 300+ gigs of
    >unpartitioned space.
    >
    >Similar deal with the 250.
    >
    >Then I took the 500, put it in a USB wrapper, plugged it into
    >another XP box, and formatted/partitioned it with a 40-gig system
    >partition and the balance as a data partition.
    >
    >Put it back in the problem box and XP install still saw 131 gigs
    >as the total disc space.
    >
    >Went through the same exercise with the 250, similar results.
    >
    >
    >What's magic about 131-or-so gigs?
    >
    >I've also gotten several blue screen w/"A problem has been
    >detected and windows has been shut down to prevent damage to your
    >computer. DRIVE_IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL"
    >
    >Not every time... just about 1 out of every three attempts.
    >
    >My gut says "User Error"... but what am I doing wrong?
    >
    >D865GLCLK Intel 865G Socket 478 mobo.
     
  4. Paul

    Paul Flightless Bird

    (PeteCresswell) wrote:
    > I've tried installing XP several times now - both with a virgin
    > Samsung 500-gigger from Samsung, and a tried-and-true WD 250.
    >
    > In both cases, the XP setup seems tb seeing a disc of only 131+
    > megs.
    >
    > First time around, with the 500-gigger, I just went with it. Got
    > what looked tb a good install, but the system partition was, as
    > expected, only 127 gigs. However when I went to create a second
    > partition via MyComputer | Manage | Disk Management was only
    > seeing 127 - i.e there was not the expected 300+ gigs of
    > unpartitioned space.
    >
    > Similar deal with the 250.
    >
    > Then I took the 500, put it in a USB wrapper, plugged it into
    > another XP box, and formatted/partitioned it with a 40-gig system
    > partition and the balance as a data partition.
    >
    > Put it back in the problem box and XP install still saw 131 gigs
    > as the total disc space.
    >
    > Went through the same exercise with the 250, similar results.
    >
    >
    > What's magic about 131-or-so gigs?
    >
    > I've also gotten several blue screen w/"A problem has been
    > detected and windows has been shut down to prevent damage to your
    > computer. DRIVE_IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL"
    >
    > Not every time... just about 1 out of every three attempts.
    >
    > My gut says "User Error"... but what am I doing wrong?
    >
    > D865GLCLK Intel 865G Socket 478 mobo.


    Your motherboard is modern enough to support 48 bit LBA
    at the BIOS level. The cutoff date is around 2003, for a new
    design to be guaranteed to support it. I think the 865 comes
    after that.

    A slipstreamed WinXP installer CD should solve the problem.
    Take the WinXP Gold (original) install CD in your hand,
    and add to it, one of the standalone Service Pack downloads.
    NLite, can be used to build a new installer CD. You'll need
    a CD burner, to burn the new installer CD.

    http://www.nliteos.com/guide/part1.html

    (Not sure of the details, but there is some reason not to go
    to SP3 directly.)

    http://help.wugnet.com/windows/Slipstreaming-WinXP-SP3-ftopict615895.html

    (And then, a refutation of that, here.)

    http://www.msfn.org/board/topic/145326-integrate-sp2-before-sp3/

    This is an example of an SP3 Service Pack download.
    WindowsXP-KB936929-SP3-x86-ENU.exe 331,805,736 bytes.

    http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...A8-5E76-401F-BE08-1E1555D4F3D4&displaylang=en

    Support for 48 bit LBA, is mentioned here. WinXP SP1 or higher
    is sufficient.

    http://web.archive.org/web/20070121085230/http://www.seagate.com/support/kb/disc/tp/137gb.pdf

    The difference should be, when you attempt to install with the
    slipstreamed SP3 installer CD, the Windows installer should
    offer to format the entire 500GB drive for you as C: if you wish.
    I've only been through this particular exercise with Win2K,
    testing both before slipstream and after, and found that
    behavior to be the case. Before slipstreaming in the minimum
    Service Pack, I could only make a 137GB C:, while after
    slipstreaming Win2K SP4, the whole disk was available to be
    made into C:. The same kind of thing should happen with
    a sufficiently modern WinXP slipstreamed CD.

    Paul
     
  5. Doum

    Doum Flightless Bird

    Paul <nospam@needed.com> écrivait news:i1u0n6$109$1@speranza.aioe.org:

    <snip>
    >
    > A slipstreamed WinXP installer CD should solve the problem.
    > Take the WinXP Gold (original) install CD in your hand,
    > and add to it, one of the standalone Service Pack downloads.
    > NLite, can be used to build a new installer CD. You'll need
    > a CD burner, to burn the new installer CD.
    >
    > http://www.nliteos.com/guide/part1.html
    >
    > (Not sure of the details, but there is some reason not to go
    > to SP3 directly.)
    >

    <snip>

    If I remember correctly, you cannot install SP3 on a system already running
    a pre-SP1 XP, but it is OK to slipstream SP3 using a XP gold installation
    CD, it will work for a new installation.
     
  6. Daave

    Daave Flightless Bird

    Doum wrote:
    > Paul <nospam@needed.com> écrivait news:i1u0n6$109$1@speranza.aioe.org:
    >
    > <snip>
    >>
    >> A slipstreamed WinXP installer CD should solve the problem.
    >> Take the WinXP Gold (original) install CD in your hand,
    >> and add to it, one of the standalone Service Pack downloads.
    >> NLite, can be used to build a new installer CD. You'll need
    >> a CD burner, to burn the new installer CD.
    >>
    >> http://www.nliteos.com/guide/part1.html
    >>
    >> (Not sure of the details, but there is some reason not to go
    >> to SP3 directly.)
    >>

    > <snip>
    >
    > If I remember correctly, you cannot install SP3 on a system already
    > running a pre-SP1 XP, but it is OK to slipstream SP3 using a XP gold
    > installation CD, it will work for a new installation.


    You do remember correctly. :)

    To install SP3, the system has to be at at least the SP1 level.

    But one may certainly slipstream SP3 to a Gold XP installation CD. See
    this page:

    http://www.theeldergeek.com/slipstreamed_xpsp3_cd_final.htm

    The only issue is the need to enter the Product Key during installation.
     
  7. (PeteCresswell)

    (PeteCresswell) Flightless Bird

    Per Patok:
    >You didn't write what kind of interface you have, but if it is parallel
    >IDE ATA/ATAPI,


    SATA, new mobo - right out of the box.

    Also, one of the drives (the 500) was right out of the box.
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    PeteCresswell
     
  8. (PeteCresswell)

    (PeteCresswell) Flightless Bird

    Per Andy:
    >The original, pre-SP1, XP CD is limited to 28-bit LBA (logical block
    >address). 2^28 blocks x 512 bytes/block = 137,438,953,412 bytes.
    >137,438,953,412 bytes / 1024 bytes/kilobytes = 134,217,728 kilobytes.
    >134,217,728 kilobytes / 1024 kilobytes/megabytes = 131,072 megabytes.
    >This is where the magical 131,000 megabytes that you see in Windows
    >setup comes from.


    That makes sense. I was installing from the MSDN disc - which
    offers up three versions of XP Pro:

    [G] Windows XP Professional - English
    [H] Windows XP Professional Checked/Debug Build - English
    WIndows XP Professional with SP1a - English

    I was using "H" for no particular reason other that it sounded
    better being "Checked/Debug"......

    I'll give it another shot with "" and report back.

    Thanks!!!
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    PeteCresswell
     
  9. (PeteCresswell)

    (PeteCresswell) Flightless Bird

    Per (PeteCresswell):

    >I'll give it another shot with "" and report back.


    Bingo!....

    Thanks again.
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