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Discussion in 'Internet Explorer' started by denmarfl, Mar 8, 2010.

  1. denmarfl

    denmarfl Flightless Bird

    W7 Home prem 32bit; IE8

    Today when I tried to go to www.walmart.com.....the site that opened was
    www.mobile.walmart.com. I have www.walmart.com added in my Compatibility
    View settings....because a month ago when going to the WalMart site I would
    get a Download Window and the fix was to open another Walmart site (ie a
    dept) and than ADD that site to the Compatibilty View setting. Afgter I did
    that I was going directly to the Wal-mart Home.....but now I am going to the
    mobile.walmart.com site.

    Suggestions?
     
  2. Robert Aldwinckle

    Robert Aldwinckle Flightless Bird

    "denmarfl" <denmarfl@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    news:9BCAB0EB-B0EE-444C-9359-44E33AD3D9D2@microsoft.com...
    > W7 Home prem 32bit; IE8
    >
    > Today when I tried to go to www.walmart.com.....the site that opened was
    > www.mobile.walmart.com. I have www.walmart.com added in my Compatibility
    > View settings....because a month ago when going to the WalMart site I
    > would
    > get a Download Window and the fix was to open another Walmart site (ie a
    > dept) and than ADD that site to the Compatibilty View setting. Afgter I
    > did
    > that I was going directly to the Wal-mart Home.....but now I am going to
    > the
    > mobile.walmart.com site.
    >


    > Suggestions?



    You have something in your User-Agent string which can be misinterpreted
    by sloppy parsing. Try using the UAPick add-on to simplify your UA string
    for that site.


    Good luck

    Robert Aldwinckle
    ---
     
  3. denmarfl

    denmarfl Flightless Bird

    Thanks....but I don't understand what you are advsing me to do.

    "Robert Aldwinckle" wrote:

    >
    > "denmarfl" <denmarfl@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    > news:9BCAB0EB-B0EE-444C-9359-44E33AD3D9D2@microsoft.com...
    > > W7 Home prem 32bit; IE8
    > >
    > > Today when I tried to go to www.walmart.com.....the site that opened was
    > > www.mobile.walmart.com. I have www.walmart.com added in my Compatibility
    > > View settings....because a month ago when going to the WalMart site I
    > > would
    > > get a Download Window and the fix was to open another Walmart site (ie a
    > > dept) and than ADD that site to the Compatibilty View setting. Afgter I
    > > did
    > > that I was going directly to the Wal-mart Home.....but now I am going to
    > > the
    > > mobile.walmart.com site.
    > >

    >
    > > Suggestions?

    >
    >
    > You have something in your User-Agent string which can be misinterpreted
    > by sloppy parsing. Try using the UAPick add-on to simplify your UA string
    > for that site.
    >
    >
    > Good luck
    >
    > Robert Aldwinckle
    > ---
    >
    > .
    >
     
  4. Dan

    Dan Flightless Bird

    He was implying you should install this:
    http://www.ieaddons.com/en/details/other/UAPick_UserAgent_Switcher/

    However, I'd suggest not doing that right away. Go to
    http://whatsmyuseragent.com/ and copy and paste the red string you see near
    the top of that page into a reply here. That way we can see what IE is using
    for it's user agent string - this is how sites identify what the browser is
    and what options are enabled.

    As Robert stated in his reply, there's likely something in the user agent
    that the Walmart site thinks means it's a mobile browser. For instance, on
    Feb 7 someone else posted about their IE8 being treated as a mobile browser,
    and it was noted that he had Creative AutoUpdate listed in his user agent
    string and the letters "pda" were being interpreted by the site as meaning
    it was a pda device so was displaying the mobile version of the site. It's
    sloppy coding on the part of the site, but to work around it you will need
    to remove the identifying string from your user agent but also make sure
    it's valid, so if you post your current user agent string in a reply here we
    can tell you what to change it to using the UAPick tool from the link above.

    Dan


    "denmarfl" <denmarfl@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    news:D898FAFF-6DAF-4179-B127-3B25C2AAD040@microsoft.com...
    > Thanks....but I don't understand what you are advsing me to do.
    >
    > "Robert Aldwinckle" wrote:
    >
    >>
    >> "denmarfl" <denmarfl@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    >> news:9BCAB0EB-B0EE-444C-9359-44E33AD3D9D2@microsoft.com...
    >> > W7 Home prem 32bit; IE8
    >> >
    >> > Today when I tried to go to www.walmart.com.....the site that opened
    >> > was
    >> > www.mobile.walmart.com. I have www.walmart.com added in my
    >> > Compatibility
    >> > View settings....because a month ago when going to the WalMart site I
    >> > would
    >> > get a Download Window and the fix was to open another Walmart site (ie
    >> > a
    >> > dept) and than ADD that site to the Compatibilty View setting. Afgter
    >> > I
    >> > did
    >> > that I was going directly to the Wal-mart Home.....but now I am going
    >> > to
    >> > the
    >> > mobile.walmart.com site.
    >> >

    >>
    >> > Suggestions?

    >>
    >>
    >> You have something in your User-Agent string which can be
    >> misinterpreted
    >> by sloppy parsing. Try using the UAPick add-on to simplify your UA
    >> string
    >> for that site.
    >>
    >>
    >> Good luck
    >>
    >> Robert Aldwinckle
    >> ---
    >>
    >> .
    >>
     
  5. denmarfl

    denmarfl Flightless Bird

    When I clicked on the link you provided I got "Page Not Found"....I then
    copied and pasted the Link into the address bar....and the page opened:

    Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 6.1; Trident/4.0; SLCC2; .NET
    CLR 2.0.50727; .NET CLR 3.5.30729; .NET CLR 3.0.30729; Media Center PC 6.0;
    Media Center PC 5.0; MS-RTC LM 8; SLCC1; Creative AutoUpdate v1.40.01)

    "Dan" wrote:

    > He was implying you should install this:
    > http://www.ieaddons.com/en/details/other/UAPick_UserAgent_Switcher/
    >
    > However, I'd suggest not doing that right away. Go to
    > http://whatsmyuseragent.com/ and copy and paste the red string you see near
    > the top of that page into a reply here. That way we can see what IE is using
    > for it's user agent string - this is how sites identify what the browser is
    > and what options are enabled.
    >
    > As Robert stated in his reply, there's likely something in the user agent
    > that the Walmart site thinks means it's a mobile browser. For instance, on
    > Feb 7 someone else posted about their IE8 being treated as a mobile browser,
    > and it was noted that he had Creative AutoUpdate listed in his user agent
    > string and the letters "pda" were being interpreted by the site as meaning
    > it was a pda device so was displaying the mobile version of the site. It's
    > sloppy coding on the part of the site, but to work around it you will need
    > to remove the identifying string from your user agent but also make sure
    > it's valid, so if you post your current user agent string in a reply here we
    > can tell you what to change it to using the UAPick tool from the link above.
    >
    > Dan
    >
    >
    > "denmarfl" <denmarfl@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    > news:D898FAFF-6DAF-4179-B127-3B25C2AAD040@microsoft.com...
    > > Thanks....but I don't understand what you are advsing me to do.
    > >
    > > "Robert Aldwinckle" wrote:
    > >
    > >>
    > >> "denmarfl" <denmarfl@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    > >> news:9BCAB0EB-B0EE-444C-9359-44E33AD3D9D2@microsoft.com...
    > >> > W7 Home prem 32bit; IE8
    > >> >
    > >> > Today when I tried to go to www.walmart.com.....the site that opened
    > >> > was
    > >> > www.mobile.walmart.com. I have www.walmart.com added in my
    > >> > Compatibility
    > >> > View settings....because a month ago when going to the WalMart site I
    > >> > would
    > >> > get a Download Window and the fix was to open another Walmart site (ie
    > >> > a
    > >> > dept) and than ADD that site to the Compatibilty View setting. Afgter
    > >> > I
    > >> > did
    > >> > that I was going directly to the Wal-mart Home.....but now I am going
    > >> > to
    > >> > the
    > >> > mobile.walmart.com site.
    > >> >
    > >>
    > >> > Suggestions?
    > >>
    > >>
    > >> You have something in your User-Agent string which can be
    > >> misinterpreted
    > >> by sloppy parsing. Try using the UAPick add-on to simplify your UA
    > >> string
    > >> for that site.
    > >>
    > >>
    > >> Good luck
    > >>
    > >> Robert Aldwinckle
    > >> ---
    > >>
    > >> .
    > >>

    >
    >
    >
     
  6. Rob

    Rob Flightless Bird

    denmarfl <denmarfl@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
    > When I clicked on the link you provided I got "Page Not Found"....I then
    > copied and pasted the Link into the address bar....and the page opened:
    >
    > Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 6.1; Trident/4.0; SLCC2; .NET
    > CLR 2.0.50727; .NET CLR 3.5.30729; .NET CLR 3.0.30729; Media Center PC 6.0;
    > Media Center PC 5.0; MS-RTC LM 8; SLCC1; Creative AutoUpdate v1.40.01)

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    Here is your problem.
    You have installed the Creative AutoUpdate v1.40.01 package and the
    website thinks you have a pda because that occurs in the text.

    You can probably uninstall that package. But I don't know if
    the uninstall will neatly remove the text from the user-agent
    string. It could be you have to do that manually.
     
  7. denmarfl

    denmarfl Flightless Bird

    I do recall right after W7 strated following an In-Place repair that I saw a
    window open that read Creative AutoUpdate v1.40.01 installed.....I didn't
    have a choice.....it did so automatically and the message was an after the
    fact message. I do see Creative AutoUpdate v1.40.01 in the programs &
    feature list.

    However it is mentioned deleting this may not correct the issue (so I have
    not deleted it), and, since it installed automatically back on 3/4/10 (right
    after I started W7 for the 1st time after In-Place Repair was run)....it most
    likely will install automatically again.

    I wouldn't have a clue how to manually remove the text from the User-agent
    string.

    What causes this to happen? Surely this Creative Updater was installed with
    my Previous W7\IE8 Install.........

    "Rob" wrote:

    > denmarfl <denmarfl@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
    > > When I clicked on the link you provided I got "Page Not Found"....I then
    > > copied and pasted the Link into the address bar....and the page opened:
    > >
    > > Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 6.1; Trident/4.0; SLCC2; .NET
    > > CLR 2.0.50727; .NET CLR 3.5.30729; .NET CLR 3.0.30729; Media Center PC 6.0;
    > > Media Center PC 5.0; MS-RTC LM 8; SLCC1; Creative AutoUpdate v1.40.01)

    > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    >
    > Here is your problem.
    > You have installed the Creative AutoUpdate v1.40.01 package and the
    > website thinks you have a pda because that occurs in the text.
    >
    > You can probably uninstall that package. But I don't know if
    > the uninstall will neatly remove the text from the user-agent
    > string. It could be you have to do that manually.
    > .
    >
     
  8. Dan

    Dan Flightless Bird

    "denmarfl" <denmarfl@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    news:88DC9239-8BF6-411B-9678-AF871CE32459@microsoft.com...
    > When I clicked on the link you provided I got "Page Not Found"....I then
    > copied and pasted the Link into the address bar....and the page opened:


    Odd. The link is fine, as you proved by copy-and-paste. Sounds like your
    news reader messed up the link ...

    > Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 6.1; Trident/4.0; SLCC2;
    > .NET
    > CLR 2.0.50727; .NET CLR 3.5.30729; .NET CLR 3.0.30729; Media Center PC
    > 6.0;
    > Media Center PC 5.0; MS-RTC LM 8; SLCC1; Creative AutoUpdate v1.40.01)


    As Rob has pointed out, and I'd already assumed would be the case, Creative
    AutoUpdate is causing this. If you don't want to remove the software, use
    the UAPick software to change the string to

    Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 6.1; Trident/4.0; SLCC2; .NET
    CLR 2.0.50727; .NET CLR 3.5.30729; .NET CLR 3.0.30729; Media Center PC 6.0;
    Media Center PC 5.0; MS-RTC LM 8; SLCC1;)

    You could also maybe make it a little shorter, long UA strings can cause
    problems with some sites. Just make sure you retain the closing parentheses,
    and that you keep a single semi-colon between each entry inside the
    parentheses. Also make sure you keep it to at least the following:

    Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 6.1; Trident/4.0;)

    as this identifies the browser as IE8, your version of Windows as Windows 7
    (it's actually version 6.1!), and that it uses the Trident 4 layout engine
    and is used to identify IE8 in IE7 Compatibility Mode.

    Dan


    > "Dan" wrote:
    >
    >> He was implying you should install this:
    >> http://www.ieaddons.com/en/details/other/UAPick_UserAgent_Switcher/
    >>
    >> However, I'd suggest not doing that right away. Go to
    >> http://whatsmyuseragent.com/ and copy and paste the red string you see
    >> near
    >> the top of that page into a reply here. That way we can see what IE is
    >> using
    >> for it's user agent string - this is how sites identify what the browser
    >> is
    >> and what options are enabled.
    >>
    >> As Robert stated in his reply, there's likely something in the user agent
    >> that the Walmart site thinks means it's a mobile browser. For instance,
    >> on
    >> Feb 7 someone else posted about their IE8 being treated as a mobile
    >> browser,
    >> and it was noted that he had Creative AutoUpdate listed in his user agent
    >> string and the letters "pda" were being interpreted by the site as
    >> meaning
    >> it was a pda device so was displaying the mobile version of the site.
    >> It's
    >> sloppy coding on the part of the site, but to work around it you will
    >> need
    >> to remove the identifying string from your user agent but also make sure
    >> it's valid, so if you post your current user agent string in a reply here
    >> we
    >> can tell you what to change it to using the UAPick tool from the link
    >> above.
    >>
    >> Dan
    >>
    >>
    >> "denmarfl" <denmarfl@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    >> news:D898FAFF-6DAF-4179-B127-3B25C2AAD040@microsoft.com...
    >> > Thanks....but I don't understand what you are advsing me to do.
    >> >
    >> > "Robert Aldwinckle" wrote:
    >> >
    >> >>
    >> >> "denmarfl" <denmarfl@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    >> >> news:9BCAB0EB-B0EE-444C-9359-44E33AD3D9D2@microsoft.com...
    >> >> > W7 Home prem 32bit; IE8
    >> >> >
    >> >> > Today when I tried to go to www.walmart.com.....the site that opened
    >> >> > was
    >> >> > www.mobile.walmart.com. I have www.walmart.com added in my
    >> >> > Compatibility
    >> >> > View settings....because a month ago when going to the WalMart site
    >> >> > I
    >> >> > would
    >> >> > get a Download Window and the fix was to open another Walmart site
    >> >> > (ie
    >> >> > a
    >> >> > dept) and than ADD that site to the Compatibilty View setting.
    >> >> > Afgter
    >> >> > I
    >> >> > did
    >> >> > that I was going directly to the Wal-mart Home.....but now I am
    >> >> > going
    >> >> > to
    >> >> > the
    >> >> > mobile.walmart.com site.
    >> >> >
    >> >>
    >> >> > Suggestions?
    >> >>
    >> >>
    >> >> You have something in your User-Agent string which can be
    >> >> misinterpreted
    >> >> by sloppy parsing. Try using the UAPick add-on to simplify your UA
    >> >> string
    >> >> for that site.
    >> >>
    >> >>
    >> >> Good luck
    >> >>
    >> >> Robert Aldwinckle
    >> >> ---
    >> >>
    >> >> .
    >> >>

    >>
    >>
    >>
     
  9. denmarfl

    denmarfl Flightless Bird

    You guys are good...and quick. Why wouldn't this impact all sites I go
    to....why just the Walmart Site?

    I wonder if I delete the Creative Updater from P&F if it will resolve the
    Issue?

    I do see Creative Updater in my Msconfig Startup lists; I wonder if I should
    uncheck it?

    Also, I do wonder why after W7 started following my Upgrade\Repair...why
    this Creative Updater was automatically installed....what triggered it and
    why I was given a Choice.

    "Dan" wrote:

    >
    > "denmarfl" <denmarfl@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    > news:88DC9239-8BF6-411B-9678-AF871CE32459@microsoft.com...
    > > When I clicked on the link you provided I got "Page Not Found"....I then
    > > copied and pasted the Link into the address bar....and the page opened:

    >
    > Odd. The link is fine, as you proved by copy-and-paste. Sounds like your
    > news reader messed up the link ...
    >
    > > Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 6.1; Trident/4.0; SLCC2;
    > > .NET
    > > CLR 2.0.50727; .NET CLR 3.5.30729; .NET CLR 3.0.30729; Media Center PC
    > > 6.0;
    > > Media Center PC 5.0; MS-RTC LM 8; SLCC1; Creative AutoUpdate v1.40.01)

    >
    > As Rob has pointed out, and I'd already assumed would be the case, Creative
    > AutoUpdate is causing this. If you don't want to remove the software, use
    > the UAPick software to change the string to
    >
    > Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 6.1; Trident/4.0; SLCC2; .NET
    > CLR 2.0.50727; .NET CLR 3.5.30729; .NET CLR 3.0.30729; Media Center PC 6.0;
    > Media Center PC 5.0; MS-RTC LM 8; SLCC1;)
    >
    > You could also maybe make it a little shorter, long UA strings can cause
    > problems with some sites. Just make sure you retain the closing parentheses,
    > and that you keep a single semi-colon between each entry inside the
    > parentheses. Also make sure you keep it to at least the following:
    >
    > Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 6.1; Trident/4.0;)
    >
    > as this identifies the browser as IE8, your version of Windows as Windows 7
    > (it's actually version 6.1!), and that it uses the Trident 4 layout engine
    > and is used to identify IE8 in IE7 Compatibility Mode.
    >
    > Dan
    >
    >
    > > "Dan" wrote:
    > >
    > >> He was implying you should install this:
    > >> http://www.ieaddons.com/en/details/other/UAPick_UserAgent_Switcher/
    > >>
    > >> However, I'd suggest not doing that right away. Go to
    > >> http://whatsmyuseragent.com/ and copy and paste the red string you see
    > >> near
    > >> the top of that page into a reply here. That way we can see what IE is
    > >> using
    > >> for it's user agent string - this is how sites identify what the browser
    > >> is
    > >> and what options are enabled.
    > >>
    > >> As Robert stated in his reply, there's likely something in the user agent
    > >> that the Walmart site thinks means it's a mobile browser. For instance,
    > >> on
    > >> Feb 7 someone else posted about their IE8 being treated as a mobile
    > >> browser,
    > >> and it was noted that he had Creative AutoUpdate listed in his user agent
    > >> string and the letters "pda" were being interpreted by the site as
    > >> meaning
    > >> it was a pda device so was displaying the mobile version of the site.
    > >> It's
    > >> sloppy coding on the part of the site, but to work around it you will
    > >> need
    > >> to remove the identifying string from your user agent but also make sure
    > >> it's valid, so if you post your current user agent string in a reply here
    > >> we
    > >> can tell you what to change it to using the UAPick tool from the link
    > >> above.
    > >>
    > >> Dan
    > >>
    > >>
    > >> "denmarfl" <denmarfl@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    > >> news:D898FAFF-6DAF-4179-B127-3B25C2AAD040@microsoft.com...
    > >> > Thanks....but I don't understand what you are advsing me to do.
    > >> >
    > >> > "Robert Aldwinckle" wrote:
    > >> >
    > >> >>
    > >> >> "denmarfl" <denmarfl@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    > >> >> news:9BCAB0EB-B0EE-444C-9359-44E33AD3D9D2@microsoft.com...
    > >> >> > W7 Home prem 32bit; IE8
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> > Today when I tried to go to www.walmart.com.....the site that opened
    > >> >> > was
    > >> >> > www.mobile.walmart.com. I have www.walmart.com added in my
    > >> >> > Compatibility
    > >> >> > View settings....because a month ago when going to the WalMart site
    > >> >> > I
    > >> >> > would
    > >> >> > get a Download Window and the fix was to open another Walmart site
    > >> >> > (ie
    > >> >> > a
    > >> >> > dept) and than ADD that site to the Compatibilty View setting.
    > >> >> > Afgter
    > >> >> > I
    > >> >> > did
    > >> >> > that I was going directly to the Wal-mart Home.....but now I am
    > >> >> > going
    > >> >> > to
    > >> >> > the
    > >> >> > mobile.walmart.com site.
    > >> >> >
    > >> >>
    > >> >> > Suggestions?
    > >> >>
    > >> >>
    > >> >> You have something in your User-Agent string which can be
    > >> >> misinterpreted
    > >> >> by sloppy parsing. Try using the UAPick add-on to simplify your UA
    > >> >> string
    > >> >> for that site.
    > >> >>
    > >> >>
    > >> >> Good luck
    > >> >>
    > >> >> Robert Aldwinckle
    > >> >> ---
    > >> >>
    > >> >> .
    > >> >>
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>

    >
    >
    >
     
  10. Dan

    Dan Flightless Bird

    "denmarfl" <denmarfl@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    news:8262338C-D481-47FA-BF68-385909961A84@microsoft.com...
    > You guys are good...and quick. Why wouldn't this impact all sites I go
    > to....why just the Walmart Site?


    Because not all sites look for the 3 letters "pda" in the UA string and
    redirect to a different site if they find them. None of the sites I've built
    do so, and if I did set up a site with mobile specific content I'd certainly
    not base the entire thing on looking for a string of 3 letters that might
    crop up inside a longer word ...

    > I wonder if I delete the Creative Updater from P&F if it will resolve the
    > Issue?


    Doubt it.

    > I do see Creative Updater in my Msconfig Startup lists; I wonder if I
    > should
    > uncheck it?


    Leave it running. Use the UAPick tool to just remove it from the UA string,
    and all will be well.

    > Also, I do wonder why after W7 started following my Upgrade\Repair...why
    > this Creative Updater was automatically installed....what triggered it and
    > why I was given a Choice.


    No idea - you must have something installed that uses it, soundcard drivers
    perhaps? I certainly don't have it on my Windows 7 based PC at home, but I'm
    using an nVidia based board with Realtek audio and no Creative software at
    all.

    Dan

    > "Dan" wrote:
    >
    >>
    >> "denmarfl" <denmarfl@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    >> news:88DC9239-8BF6-411B-9678-AF871CE32459@microsoft.com...
    >> > When I clicked on the link you provided I got "Page Not Found"....I
    >> > then
    >> > copied and pasted the Link into the address bar....and the page opened:

    >>
    >> Odd. The link is fine, as you proved by copy-and-paste. Sounds like your
    >> news reader messed up the link ...
    >>
    >> > Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 6.1; Trident/4.0; SLCC2;
    >> > .NET
    >> > CLR 2.0.50727; .NET CLR 3.5.30729; .NET CLR 3.0.30729; Media Center PC
    >> > 6.0;
    >> > Media Center PC 5.0; MS-RTC LM 8; SLCC1; Creative AutoUpdate v1.40.01)

    >>
    >> As Rob has pointed out, and I'd already assumed would be the case,
    >> Creative
    >> AutoUpdate is causing this. If you don't want to remove the software, use
    >> the UAPick software to change the string to
    >>
    >> Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 6.1; Trident/4.0; SLCC2;
    >> .NET
    >> CLR 2.0.50727; .NET CLR 3.5.30729; .NET CLR 3.0.30729; Media Center PC
    >> 6.0;
    >> Media Center PC 5.0; MS-RTC LM 8; SLCC1;)
    >>
    >> You could also maybe make it a little shorter, long UA strings can cause
    >> problems with some sites. Just make sure you retain the closing
    >> parentheses,
    >> and that you keep a single semi-colon between each entry inside the
    >> parentheses. Also make sure you keep it to at least the following:
    >>
    >> Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 6.1; Trident/4.0;)
    >>
    >> as this identifies the browser as IE8, your version of Windows as Windows
    >> 7
    >> (it's actually version 6.1!), and that it uses the Trident 4 layout
    >> engine
    >> and is used to identify IE8 in IE7 Compatibility Mode.
    >>
    >> Dan
    >>
    >>
    >> > "Dan" wrote:
    >> >
    >> >> He was implying you should install this:
    >> >> http://www.ieaddons.com/en/details/other/UAPick_UserAgent_Switcher/
    >> >>
    >> >> However, I'd suggest not doing that right away. Go to
    >> >> http://whatsmyuseragent.com/ and copy and paste the red string you
    >> >> see
    >> >> near
    >> >> the top of that page into a reply here. That way we can see what IE is
    >> >> using
    >> >> for it's user agent string - this is how sites identify what the
    >> >> browser
    >> >> is
    >> >> and what options are enabled.
    >> >>
    >> >> As Robert stated in his reply, there's likely something in the user
    >> >> agent
    >> >> that the Walmart site thinks means it's a mobile browser. For
    >> >> instance,
    >> >> on
    >> >> Feb 7 someone else posted about their IE8 being treated as a mobile
    >> >> browser,
    >> >> and it was noted that he had Creative AutoUpdate listed in his user
    >> >> agent
    >> >> string and the letters "pda" were being interpreted by the site as
    >> >> meaning
    >> >> it was a pda device so was displaying the mobile version of the site.
    >> >> It's
    >> >> sloppy coding on the part of the site, but to work around it you will
    >> >> need
    >> >> to remove the identifying string from your user agent but also make
    >> >> sure
    >> >> it's valid, so if you post your current user agent string in a reply
    >> >> here
    >> >> we
    >> >> can tell you what to change it to using the UAPick tool from the link
    >> >> above.
    >> >>
    >> >> Dan
    >> >>
    >> >>
    >> >> "denmarfl" <denmarfl@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    >> >> news:D898FAFF-6DAF-4179-B127-3B25C2AAD040@microsoft.com...
    >> >> > Thanks....but I don't understand what you are advsing me to do.
    >> >> >
    >> >> > "Robert Aldwinckle" wrote:
    >> >> >
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> "denmarfl" <denmarfl@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    >> >> >> news:9BCAB0EB-B0EE-444C-9359-44E33AD3D9D2@microsoft.com...
    >> >> >> > W7 Home prem 32bit; IE8
    >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> > Today when I tried to go to www.walmart.com.....the site that
    >> >> >> > opened
    >> >> >> > was
    >> >> >> > www.mobile.walmart.com. I have www.walmart.com added in my
    >> >> >> > Compatibility
    >> >> >> > View settings....because a month ago when going to the WalMart
    >> >> >> > site
    >> >> >> > I
    >> >> >> > would
    >> >> >> > get a Download Window and the fix was to open another Walmart
    >> >> >> > site
    >> >> >> > (ie
    >> >> >> > a
    >> >> >> > dept) and than ADD that site to the Compatibilty View setting.
    >> >> >> > Afgter
    >> >> >> > I
    >> >> >> > did
    >> >> >> > that I was going directly to the Wal-mart Home.....but now I am
    >> >> >> > going
    >> >> >> > to
    >> >> >> > the
    >> >> >> > mobile.walmart.com site.
    >> >> >> >
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> > Suggestions?
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> You have something in your User-Agent string which can be
    >> >> >> misinterpreted
    >> >> >> by sloppy parsing. Try using the UAPick add-on to simplify your
    >> >> >> UA
    >> >> >> string
    >> >> >> for that site.
     
  11. denmarfl

    denmarfl Flightless Bird

    When I went to the UAPick User-Agent Site (it appears to be a Microsoft
    site)... there is a link that reads "Add to Interent Explorer". There does
    not appear to be any add'l information....such as, what will take place? How
    to use this utility? Surely I would have thought Microsoft would have
    provided instructions as to how to use this switcher.

    "Dan" wrote:

    >
    > "denmarfl" <denmarfl@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    > news:8262338C-D481-47FA-BF68-385909961A84@microsoft.com...
    > > You guys are good...and quick. Why wouldn't this impact all sites I go
    > > to....why just the Walmart Site?

    >
    > Because not all sites look for the 3 letters "pda" in the UA string and
    > redirect to a different site if they find them. None of the sites I've built
    > do so, and if I did set up a site with mobile specific content I'd certainly
    > not base the entire thing on looking for a string of 3 letters that might
    > crop up inside a longer word ...
    >
    > > I wonder if I delete the Creative Updater from P&F if it will resolve the
    > > Issue?

    >
    > Doubt it.
    >
    > > I do see Creative Updater in my Msconfig Startup lists; I wonder if I
    > > should
    > > uncheck it?

    >
    > Leave it running. Use the UAPick tool to just remove it from the UA string,
    > and all will be well.
    >
    > > Also, I do wonder why after W7 started following my Upgrade\Repair...why
    > > this Creative Updater was automatically installed....what triggered it and
    > > why I was given a Choice.

    >
    > No idea - you must have something installed that uses it, soundcard drivers
    > perhaps? I certainly don't have it on my Windows 7 based PC at home, but I'm
    > using an nVidia based board with Realtek audio and no Creative software at
    > all.
    >
    > Dan
    >
    > > "Dan" wrote:
    > >
    > >>
    > >> "denmarfl" <denmarfl@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    > >> news:88DC9239-8BF6-411B-9678-AF871CE32459@microsoft.com...
    > >> > When I clicked on the link you provided I got "Page Not Found"....I
    > >> > then
    > >> > copied and pasted the Link into the address bar....and the page opened:
    > >>
    > >> Odd. The link is fine, as you proved by copy-and-paste. Sounds like your
    > >> news reader messed up the link ...
    > >>
    > >> > Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 6.1; Trident/4.0; SLCC2;
    > >> > .NET
    > >> > CLR 2.0.50727; .NET CLR 3.5.30729; .NET CLR 3.0.30729; Media Center PC
    > >> > 6.0;
    > >> > Media Center PC 5.0; MS-RTC LM 8; SLCC1; Creative AutoUpdate v1.40.01)
    > >>
    > >> As Rob has pointed out, and I'd already assumed would be the case,
    > >> Creative
    > >> AutoUpdate is causing this. If you don't want to remove the software, use
    > >> the UAPick software to change the string to
    > >>
    > >> Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 6.1; Trident/4.0; SLCC2;
    > >> .NET
    > >> CLR 2.0.50727; .NET CLR 3.5.30729; .NET CLR 3.0.30729; Media Center PC
    > >> 6.0;
    > >> Media Center PC 5.0; MS-RTC LM 8; SLCC1;)
    > >>
    > >> You could also maybe make it a little shorter, long UA strings can cause
    > >> problems with some sites. Just make sure you retain the closing
    > >> parentheses,
    > >> and that you keep a single semi-colon between each entry inside the
    > >> parentheses. Also make sure you keep it to at least the following:
    > >>
    > >> Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 6.1; Trident/4.0;)
    > >>
    > >> as this identifies the browser as IE8, your version of Windows as Windows
    > >> 7
    > >> (it's actually version 6.1!), and that it uses the Trident 4 layout
    > >> engine
    > >> and is used to identify IE8 in IE7 Compatibility Mode.
    > >>
    > >> Dan
    > >>
    > >>
    > >> > "Dan" wrote:
    > >> >
    > >> >> He was implying you should install this:
    > >> >> http://www.ieaddons.com/en/details/other/UAPick_UserAgent_Switcher/
    > >> >>
    > >> >> However, I'd suggest not doing that right away. Go to
    > >> >> http://whatsmyuseragent.com/ and copy and paste the red string you
    > >> >> see
    > >> >> near
    > >> >> the top of that page into a reply here. That way we can see what IE is
    > >> >> using
    > >> >> for it's user agent string - this is how sites identify what the
    > >> >> browser
    > >> >> is
    > >> >> and what options are enabled.
    > >> >>
    > >> >> As Robert stated in his reply, there's likely something in the user
    > >> >> agent
    > >> >> that the Walmart site thinks means it's a mobile browser. For
    > >> >> instance,
    > >> >> on
    > >> >> Feb 7 someone else posted about their IE8 being treated as a mobile
    > >> >> browser,
    > >> >> and it was noted that he had Creative AutoUpdate listed in his user
    > >> >> agent
    > >> >> string and the letters "pda" were being interpreted by the site as
    > >> >> meaning
    > >> >> it was a pda device so was displaying the mobile version of the site.
    > >> >> It's
    > >> >> sloppy coding on the part of the site, but to work around it you will
    > >> >> need
    > >> >> to remove the identifying string from your user agent but also make
    > >> >> sure
    > >> >> it's valid, so if you post your current user agent string in a reply
    > >> >> here
    > >> >> we
    > >> >> can tell you what to change it to using the UAPick tool from the link
    > >> >> above.
    > >> >>
    > >> >> Dan
    > >> >>
    > >> >>
    > >> >> "denmarfl" <denmarfl@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    > >> >> news:D898FAFF-6DAF-4179-B127-3B25C2AAD040@microsoft.com...
    > >> >> > Thanks....but I don't understand what you are advsing me to do.
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> > "Robert Aldwinckle" wrote:
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> "denmarfl" <denmarfl@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    > >> >> >> news:9BCAB0EB-B0EE-444C-9359-44E33AD3D9D2@microsoft.com...
    > >> >> >> > W7 Home prem 32bit; IE8
    > >> >> >> >
    > >> >> >> > Today when I tried to go to www.walmart.com.....the site that
    > >> >> >> > opened
    > >> >> >> > was
    > >> >> >> > www.mobile.walmart.com. I have www.walmart.com added in my
    > >> >> >> > Compatibility
    > >> >> >> > View settings....because a month ago when going to the WalMart
    > >> >> >> > site
    > >> >> >> > I
    > >> >> >> > would
    > >> >> >> > get a Download Window and the fix was to open another Walmart
    > >> >> >> > site
    > >> >> >> > (ie
    > >> >> >> > a
    > >> >> >> > dept) and than ADD that site to the Compatibilty View setting.
    > >> >> >> > Afgter
    > >> >> >> > I
    > >> >> >> > did
    > >> >> >> > that I was going directly to the Wal-mart Home.....but now I am
    > >> >> >> > going
    > >> >> >> > to
    > >> >> >> > the
    > >> >> >> > mobile.walmart.com site.
    > >> >> >> >
    > >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> > Suggestions?
    > >> >> >>
    > >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> You have something in your User-Agent string which can be
    > >> >> >> misinterpreted
    > >> >> >> by sloppy parsing. Try using the UAPick add-on to simplify your
    > >> >> >> UA
    > >> >> >> string
    > >> >> >> for that site.

    >
    >
    >
     
  12. denmarfl

    denmarfl Flightless Bird

    As you probably gathered, I have limited computer knowledge....

    When I click on the UAPick_UserAgent_Switcher....does it download a file
    that you can save to your desktop and then Install the add-on?

    Does the add-on Install like any other software, that is, it creates a entry
    in ALL PROGRAMS to start it running?

    When UAPick starts it goes out and finds the User-Agent String and loads it
    into the software....as I would have no idea where to find it on my PC?

    I would then, to make it simple for me just delete the Creative
    AutoUpdater...I am guessing the UAPick was an editior feature that allows you
    to delete as much as you want out of the string and then save it in its new
    form????? How do you edit it with this add-on?

    Lastly, like any other software, it has its own Uninstaller, or, you can
    Uninstall it using W7 Program & features. I always like to know anything I
    install on my PC can be removed.

    From an educational standpoint, why would Creative Auto Updater be added to
    the User-Agent String? This sting just keeps getting longer as you download
    certain types of software??? so it can get quite long? Or was this jsut
    some sort of an error, that is, Creative AutoUpdater getting added to the
    string?

    Thanks for being patient with me and....teaching me.
    "Dan" wrote:

    >
    > "denmarfl" <denmarfl@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    > news:8262338C-D481-47FA-BF68-385909961A84@microsoft.com...
    > > You guys are good...and quick. Why wouldn't this impact all sites I go
    > > to....why just the Walmart Site?

    >
    > Because not all sites look for the 3 letters "pda" in the UA string and
    > redirect to a different site if they find them. None of the sites I've built
    > do so, and if I did set up a site with mobile specific content I'd certainly
    > not base the entire thing on looking for a string of 3 letters that might
    > crop up inside a longer word ...
    >
    > > I wonder if I delete the Creative Updater from P&F if it will resolve the
    > > Issue?

    >
    > Doubt it.
    >
    > > I do see Creative Updater in my Msconfig Startup lists; I wonder if I
    > > should
    > > uncheck it?

    >
    > Leave it running. Use the UAPick tool to just remove it from the UA string,
    > and all will be well.
    >
    > > Also, I do wonder why after W7 started following my Upgrade\Repair...why
    > > this Creative Updater was automatically installed....what triggered it and
    > > why I was given a Choice.

    >
    > No idea - you must have something installed that uses it, soundcard drivers
    > perhaps? I certainly don't have it on my Windows 7 based PC at home, but I'm
    > using an nVidia based board with Realtek audio and no Creative software at
    > all.
    >
    > Dan
    >
    > > "Dan" wrote:
    > >
    > >>
    > >> "denmarfl" <denmarfl@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    > >> news:88DC9239-8BF6-411B-9678-AF871CE32459@microsoft.com...
    > >> > When I clicked on the link you provided I got "Page Not Found"....I
    > >> > then
    > >> > copied and pasted the Link into the address bar....and the page opened:
    > >>
    > >> Odd. The link is fine, as you proved by copy-and-paste. Sounds like your
    > >> news reader messed up the link ...
    > >>
    > >> > Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 6.1; Trident/4.0; SLCC2;
    > >> > .NET
    > >> > CLR 2.0.50727; .NET CLR 3.5.30729; .NET CLR 3.0.30729; Media Center PC
    > >> > 6.0;
    > >> > Media Center PC 5.0; MS-RTC LM 8; SLCC1; Creative AutoUpdate v1.40.01)
    > >>
    > >> As Rob has pointed out, and I'd already assumed would be the case,
    > >> Creative
    > >> AutoUpdate is causing this. If you don't want to remove the software, use
    > >> the UAPick software to change the string to
    > >>
    > >> Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 6.1; Trident/4.0; SLCC2;
    > >> .NET
    > >> CLR 2.0.50727; .NET CLR 3.5.30729; .NET CLR 3.0.30729; Media Center PC
    > >> 6.0;
    > >> Media Center PC 5.0; MS-RTC LM 8; SLCC1;)
    > >>
    > >> You could also maybe make it a little shorter, long UA strings can cause
    > >> problems with some sites. Just make sure you retain the closing
    > >> parentheses,
    > >> and that you keep a single semi-colon between each entry inside the
    > >> parentheses. Also make sure you keep it to at least the following:
    > >>
    > >> Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 6.1; Trident/4.0;)
    > >>
    > >> as this identifies the browser as IE8, your version of Windows as Windows
    > >> 7
    > >> (it's actually version 6.1!), and that it uses the Trident 4 layout
    > >> engine
    > >> and is used to identify IE8 in IE7 Compatibility Mode.
    > >>
    > >> Dan
    > >>
    > >>
    > >> > "Dan" wrote:
    > >> >
    > >> >> He was implying you should install this:
    > >> >> http://www.ieaddons.com/en/details/other/UAPick_UserAgent_Switcher/
    > >> >>
    > >> >> However, I'd suggest not doing that right away. Go to
    > >> >> http://whatsmyuseragent.com/ and copy and paste the red string you
    > >> >> see
    > >> >> near
    > >> >> the top of that page into a reply here. That way we can see what IE is
    > >> >> using
    > >> >> for it's user agent string - this is how sites identify what the
    > >> >> browser
    > >> >> is
    > >> >> and what options are enabled.
    > >> >>
    > >> >> As Robert stated in his reply, there's likely something in the user
    > >> >> agent
    > >> >> that the Walmart site thinks means it's a mobile browser. For
    > >> >> instance,
    > >> >> on
    > >> >> Feb 7 someone else posted about their IE8 being treated as a mobile
    > >> >> browser,
    > >> >> and it was noted that he had Creative AutoUpdate listed in his user
    > >> >> agent
    > >> >> string and the letters "pda" were being interpreted by the site as
    > >> >> meaning
    > >> >> it was a pda device so was displaying the mobile version of the site.
    > >> >> It's
    > >> >> sloppy coding on the part of the site, but to work around it you will
    > >> >> need
    > >> >> to remove the identifying string from your user agent but also make
    > >> >> sure
    > >> >> it's valid, so if you post your current user agent string in a reply
    > >> >> here
    > >> >> we
    > >> >> can tell you what to change it to using the UAPick tool from the link
    > >> >> above.
    > >> >>
    > >> >> Dan
    > >> >>
    > >> >>
    > >> >> "denmarfl" <denmarfl@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    > >> >> news:D898FAFF-6DAF-4179-B127-3B25C2AAD040@microsoft.com...
    > >> >> > Thanks....but I don't understand what you are advsing me to do.
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> > "Robert Aldwinckle" wrote:
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> "denmarfl" <denmarfl@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    > >> >> >> news:9BCAB0EB-B0EE-444C-9359-44E33AD3D9D2@microsoft.com...
    > >> >> >> > W7 Home prem 32bit; IE8
    > >> >> >> >
    > >> >> >> > Today when I tried to go to www.walmart.com.....the site that
    > >> >> >> > opened
    > >> >> >> > was
    > >> >> >> > www.mobile.walmart.com. I have www.walmart.com added in my
    > >> >> >> > Compatibility
    > >> >> >> > View settings....because a month ago when going to the WalMart
    > >> >> >> > site
    > >> >> >> > I
    > >> >> >> > would
    > >> >> >> > get a Download Window and the fix was to open another Walmart
    > >> >> >> > site
    > >> >> >> > (ie
    > >> >> >> > a
    > >> >> >> > dept) and than ADD that site to the Compatibilty View setting.
    > >> >> >> > Afgter
    > >> >> >> > I
    > >> >> >> > did
    > >> >> >> > that I was going directly to the Wal-mart Home.....but now I am
    > >> >> >> > going
    > >> >> >> > to
    > >> >> >> > the
    > >> >> >> > mobile.walmart.com site.
    > >> >> >> >
    > >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> > Suggestions?
    > >> >> >>
    > >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> You have something in your User-Agent string which can be
    > >> >> >> misinterpreted
    > >> >> >> by sloppy parsing. Try using the UAPick add-on to simplify your
    > >> >> >> UA
    > >> >> >> string
    > >> >> >> for that site.

    >
    >
    >
     
  13. rob^_^

    rob^_^ Flightless Bird

    Hi Denmarfl,

    Just uninstall Creative AutoUpdater (do not delete it) and be done with
    it....
    If after you uninstall it, and reboot your computer, the string is still in
    your UserAgent string then contact the web site and ask for a fix.
    Actually, try unchecking the entry in your startup list in msconfig and then
    restart your computer and retest your UserAgent string to see if it has
    removed it.

    The last time I saw a Creative product was at least 5 years ago for a sound
    card... I doubt that what you have is even compatible with a Win7 machine as
    hardware firmware updates are controlled from the MS Updates, not the
    vendors websites.

    The real fault for your issues lies with the Programmers of the Walmart
    site... UserAgent sniffing is not the standard way of detecting mobile
    device web browsers.

    Walmart probably outsource their web site resources, so complaining to them
    would probably be fruitless also...

    UAPick_UserAgent_Switcher is a programmers tool that in the wrong hands may
    cause excessive confusion and frustration.

    Regards.

    "denmarfl" <denmarfl@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    news:C7F15D40-9735-4FA2-A807-059AA798436B@microsoft.com...
    > As you probably gathered, I have limited computer knowledge....
    >
    > When I click on the UAPick_UserAgent_Switcher....does it download a file
    > that you can save to your desktop and then Install the add-on?
    >
    > Does the add-on Install like any other software, that is, it creates a
    > entry
    > in ALL PROGRAMS to start it running?
    >
    > When UAPick starts it goes out and finds the User-Agent String and loads
    > it
    > into the software....as I would have no idea where to find it on my PC?
    >
    > I would then, to make it simple for me just delete the Creative
    > AutoUpdater...I am guessing the UAPick was an editior feature that allows
    > you
    > to delete as much as you want out of the string and then save it in its
    > new
    > form????? How do you edit it with this add-on?
    >
    > Lastly, like any other software, it has its own Uninstaller, or, you can
    > Uninstall it using W7 Program & features. I always like to know anything
    > I
    > install on my PC can be removed.
    >
    > From an educational standpoint, why would Creative Auto Updater be added
    > to
    > the User-Agent String? This sting just keeps getting longer as you
    > download
    > certain types of software??? so it can get quite long? Or was this jsut
    > some sort of an error, that is, Creative AutoUpdater getting added to the
    > string?
    >
    > Thanks for being patient with me and....teaching me.
    > "Dan" wrote:
    >
    >>
    >> "denmarfl" <denmarfl@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    >> news:8262338C-D481-47FA-BF68-385909961A84@microsoft.com...
    >> > You guys are good...and quick. Why wouldn't this impact all sites I go
    >> > to....why just the Walmart Site?

    >>
    >> Because not all sites look for the 3 letters "pda" in the UA string and
    >> redirect to a different site if they find them. None of the sites I've
    >> built
    >> do so, and if I did set up a site with mobile specific content I'd
    >> certainly
    >> not base the entire thing on looking for a string of 3 letters that might
    >> crop up inside a longer word ...
    >>
    >> > I wonder if I delete the Creative Updater from P&F if it will resolve
    >> > the
    >> > Issue?

    >>
    >> Doubt it.
    >>
    >> > I do see Creative Updater in my Msconfig Startup lists; I wonder if I
    >> > should
    >> > uncheck it?

    >>
    >> Leave it running. Use the UAPick tool to just remove it from the UA
    >> string,
    >> and all will be well.
    >>
    >> > Also, I do wonder why after W7 started following my
    >> > Upgrade\Repair...why
    >> > this Creative Updater was automatically installed....what triggered it
    >> > and
    >> > why I was given a Choice.

    >>
    >> No idea - you must have something installed that uses it, soundcard
    >> drivers
    >> perhaps? I certainly don't have it on my Windows 7 based PC at home, but
    >> I'm
    >> using an nVidia based board with Realtek audio and no Creative software
    >> at
    >> all.
    >>
    >> Dan
    >>
    >> > "Dan" wrote:
    >> >
    >> >>
    >> >> "denmarfl" <denmarfl@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    >> >> news:88DC9239-8BF6-411B-9678-AF871CE32459@microsoft.com...
    >> >> > When I clicked on the link you provided I got "Page Not Found"....I
    >> >> > then
    >> >> > copied and pasted the Link into the address bar....and the page
    >> >> > opened:
    >> >>
    >> >> Odd. The link is fine, as you proved by copy-and-paste. Sounds like
    >> >> your
    >> >> news reader messed up the link ...
    >> >>
    >> >> > Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 6.1; Trident/4.0;
    >> >> > SLCC2;
    >> >> > .NET
    >> >> > CLR 2.0.50727; .NET CLR 3.5.30729; .NET CLR 3.0.30729; Media Center
    >> >> > PC
    >> >> > 6.0;
    >> >> > Media Center PC 5.0; MS-RTC LM 8; SLCC1; Creative AutoUpdate
    >> >> > v1.40.01)
    >> >>
    >> >> As Rob has pointed out, and I'd already assumed would be the case,
    >> >> Creative
    >> >> AutoUpdate is causing this. If you don't want to remove the software,
    >> >> use
    >> >> the UAPick software to change the string to
    >> >>
    >> >> Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 6.1; Trident/4.0; SLCC2;
    >> >> .NET
    >> >> CLR 2.0.50727; .NET CLR 3.5.30729; .NET CLR 3.0.30729; Media Center PC
    >> >> 6.0;
    >> >> Media Center PC 5.0; MS-RTC LM 8; SLCC1;)
    >> >>
    >> >> You could also maybe make it a little shorter, long UA strings can
    >> >> cause
    >> >> problems with some sites. Just make sure you retain the closing
    >> >> parentheses,
    >> >> and that you keep a single semi-colon between each entry inside the
    >> >> parentheses. Also make sure you keep it to at least the following:
    >> >>
    >> >> Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 6.1; Trident/4.0;)
    >> >>
    >> >> as this identifies the browser as IE8, your version of Windows as
    >> >> Windows
    >> >> 7
    >> >> (it's actually version 6.1!), and that it uses the Trident 4 layout
    >> >> engine
    >> >> and is used to identify IE8 in IE7 Compatibility Mode.
    >> >>
    >> >> Dan
    >> >>
    >> >>
    >> >> > "Dan" wrote:
    >> >> >
    >> >> >> He was implying you should install this:
    >> >> >> http://www.ieaddons.com/en/details/other/UAPick_UserAgent_Switcher/
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> However, I'd suggest not doing that right away. Go to
    >> >> >> http://whatsmyuseragent.com/ and copy and paste the red string you
    >> >> >> see
    >> >> >> near
    >> >> >> the top of that page into a reply here. That way we can see what IE
    >> >> >> is
    >> >> >> using
    >> >> >> for it's user agent string - this is how sites identify what the
    >> >> >> browser
    >> >> >> is
    >> >> >> and what options are enabled.
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> As Robert stated in his reply, there's likely something in the user
    >> >> >> agent
    >> >> >> that the Walmart site thinks means it's a mobile browser. For
    >> >> >> instance,
    >> >> >> on
    >> >> >> Feb 7 someone else posted about their IE8 being treated as a mobile
    >> >> >> browser,
    >> >> >> and it was noted that he had Creative AutoUpdate listed in his user
    >> >> >> agent
    >> >> >> string and the letters "pda" were being interpreted by the site as
    >> >> >> meaning
    >> >> >> it was a pda device so was displaying the mobile version of the
    >> >> >> site.
    >> >> >> It's
    >> >> >> sloppy coding on the part of the site, but to work around it you
    >> >> >> will
    >> >> >> need
    >> >> >> to remove the identifying string from your user agent but also make
    >> >> >> sure
    >> >> >> it's valid, so if you post your current user agent string in a
    >> >> >> reply
    >> >> >> here
    >> >> >> we
    >> >> >> can tell you what to change it to using the UAPick tool from the
    >> >> >> link
    >> >> >> above.
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> Dan
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> "denmarfl" <denmarfl@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    >> >> >> news:D898FAFF-6DAF-4179-B127-3B25C2AAD040@microsoft.com...
    >> >> >> > Thanks....but I don't understand what you are advsing me to do.
    >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> > "Robert Aldwinckle" wrote:
    >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >> "denmarfl" <denmarfl@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    >> >> >> >> news:9BCAB0EB-B0EE-444C-9359-44E33AD3D9D2@microsoft.com...
    >> >> >> >> > W7 Home prem 32bit; IE8
    >> >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> >> > Today when I tried to go to www.walmart.com.....the site that
    >> >> >> >> > opened
    >> >> >> >> > was
    >> >> >> >> > www.mobile.walmart.com. I have www.walmart.com added in my
    >> >> >> >> > Compatibility
    >> >> >> >> > View settings....because a month ago when going to the WalMart
    >> >> >> >> > site
    >> >> >> >> > I
    >> >> >> >> > would
    >> >> >> >> > get a Download Window and the fix was to open another Walmart
    >> >> >> >> > site
    >> >> >> >> > (ie
    >> >> >> >> > a
    >> >> >> >> > dept) and than ADD that site to the Compatibilty View setting.
    >> >> >> >> > Afgter
    >> >> >> >> > I
    >> >> >> >> > did
    >> >> >> >> > that I was going directly to the Wal-mart Home.....but now I
    >> >> >> >> > am
    >> >> >> >> > going
    >> >> >> >> > to
    >> >> >> >> > the
    >> >> >> >> > mobile.walmart.com site.
    >> >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >> > Suggestions?
    >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >> You have something in your User-Agent string which can be
    >> >> >> >> misinterpreted
    >> >> >> >> by sloppy parsing. Try using the UAPick add-on to simplify
    >> >> >> >> your
    >> >> >> >> UA
    >> >> >> >> string
    >> >> >> >> for that site.

    >>
    >>
    >>
     
  14. denmarfl

    denmarfl Flightless Bird

    Unchecked Creative AutoUpdater....in my MsConfig\Startup...re-started
    computer.....that did not remove Creative AutoUpdater from the User-Agent
    String. I believe it was Dan's reply that read deleting Unchecking or
    deleting Creative AutoUpdater would not remove it from the User-Agent String.

    Surely if not the UAPick Tool, there must be a way to Delete Creative
    AutoUpdater....from from User-Agent String. I am willing to use the Tool if
    I knew more about how it works....which is why I asked all those questions in
    my last reply. With the right knowledge, I know I can use the tool, or for
    that matter any other tool...or process....and get Creative AutoUpdater..off
    my User-Agent String

    "rob^_^" wrote:

    > Hi Denmarfl,
    >
    > Just uninstall Creative AutoUpdater (do not delete it) and be done with
    > it....
    > If after you uninstall it, and reboot your computer, the string is still in
    > your UserAgent string then contact the web site and ask for a fix.
    > Actually, try unchecking the entry in your startup list in msconfig and then
    > restart your computer and retest your UserAgent string to see if it has
    > removed it.
    >
    > The last time I saw a Creative product was at least 5 years ago for a sound
    > card... I doubt that what you have is even compatible with a Win7 machine as
    > hardware firmware updates are controlled from the MS Updates, not the
    > vendors websites.
    >
    > The real fault for your issues lies with the Programmers of the Walmart
    > site... UserAgent sniffing is not the standard way of detecting mobile
    > device web browsers.
    >
    > Walmart probably outsource their web site resources, so complaining to them
    > would probably be fruitless also...
    >
    > UAPick_UserAgent_Switcher is a programmers tool that in the wrong hands may
    > cause excessive confusion and frustration.
    >
    > Regards.
    >
    > "denmarfl" <denmarfl@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    > news:C7F15D40-9735-4FA2-A807-059AA798436B@microsoft.com...
    > > As you probably gathered, I have limited computer knowledge....
    > >
    > > When I click on the UAPick_UserAgent_Switcher....does it download a file
    > > that you can save to your desktop and then Install the add-on?
    > >
    > > Does the add-on Install like any other software, that is, it creates a
    > > entry
    > > in ALL PROGRAMS to start it running?
    > >
    > > When UAPick starts it goes out and finds the User-Agent String and loads
    > > it
    > > into the software....as I would have no idea where to find it on my PC?
    > >
    > > I would then, to make it simple for me just delete the Creative
    > > AutoUpdater...I am guessing the UAPick was an editior feature that allows
    > > you
    > > to delete as much as you want out of the string and then save it in its
    > > new
    > > form????? How do you edit it with this add-on?
    > >
    > > Lastly, like any other software, it has its own Uninstaller, or, you can
    > > Uninstall it using W7 Program & features. I always like to know anything
    > > I
    > > install on my PC can be removed.
    > >
    > > From an educational standpoint, why would Creative Auto Updater be added
    > > to
    > > the User-Agent String? This sting just keeps getting longer as you
    > > download
    > > certain types of software??? so it can get quite long? Or was this jsut
    > > some sort of an error, that is, Creative AutoUpdater getting added to the
    > > string?
    > >
    > > Thanks for being patient with me and....teaching me.
    > > "Dan" wrote:
    > >
    > >>
    > >> "denmarfl" <denmarfl@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    > >> news:8262338C-D481-47FA-BF68-385909961A84@microsoft.com...
    > >> > You guys are good...and quick. Why wouldn't this impact all sites I go
    > >> > to....why just the Walmart Site?
    > >>
    > >> Because not all sites look for the 3 letters "pda" in the UA string and
    > >> redirect to a different site if they find them. None of the sites I've
    > >> built
    > >> do so, and if I did set up a site with mobile specific content I'd
    > >> certainly
    > >> not base the entire thing on looking for a string of 3 letters that might
    > >> crop up inside a longer word ...
    > >>
    > >> > I wonder if I delete the Creative Updater from P&F if it will resolve
    > >> > the
    > >> > Issue?
    > >>
    > >> Doubt it.
    > >>
    > >> > I do see Creative Updater in my Msconfig Startup lists; I wonder if I
    > >> > should
    > >> > uncheck it?
    > >>
    > >> Leave it running. Use the UAPick tool to just remove it from the UA
    > >> string,
    > >> and all will be well.
    > >>
    > >> > Also, I do wonder why after W7 started following my
    > >> > Upgrade\Repair...why
    > >> > this Creative Updater was automatically installed....what triggered it
    > >> > and
    > >> > why I was given a Choice.
    > >>
    > >> No idea - you must have something installed that uses it, soundcard
    > >> drivers
    > >> perhaps? I certainly don't have it on my Windows 7 based PC at home, but
    > >> I'm
    > >> using an nVidia based board with Realtek audio and no Creative software
    > >> at
    > >> all.
    > >>
    > >> Dan
    > >>
    > >> > "Dan" wrote:
    > >> >
    > >> >>
    > >> >> "denmarfl" <denmarfl@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    > >> >> news:88DC9239-8BF6-411B-9678-AF871CE32459@microsoft.com...
    > >> >> > When I clicked on the link you provided I got "Page Not Found"....I
    > >> >> > then
    > >> >> > copied and pasted the Link into the address bar....and the page
    > >> >> > opened:
    > >> >>
    > >> >> Odd. The link is fine, as you proved by copy-and-paste. Sounds like
    > >> >> your
    > >> >> news reader messed up the link ...
    > >> >>
    > >> >> > Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 6.1; Trident/4.0;
    > >> >> > SLCC2;
    > >> >> > .NET
    > >> >> > CLR 2.0.50727; .NET CLR 3.5.30729; .NET CLR 3.0.30729; Media Center
    > >> >> > PC
    > >> >> > 6.0;
    > >> >> > Media Center PC 5.0; MS-RTC LM 8; SLCC1; Creative AutoUpdate
    > >> >> > v1.40.01)
    > >> >>
    > >> >> As Rob has pointed out, and I'd already assumed would be the case,
    > >> >> Creative
    > >> >> AutoUpdate is causing this. If you don't want to remove the software,
    > >> >> use
    > >> >> the UAPick software to change the string to
    > >> >>
    > >> >> Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 6.1; Trident/4.0; SLCC2;
    > >> >> .NET
    > >> >> CLR 2.0.50727; .NET CLR 3.5.30729; .NET CLR 3.0.30729; Media Center PC
    > >> >> 6.0;
    > >> >> Media Center PC 5.0; MS-RTC LM 8; SLCC1;)
    > >> >>
    > >> >> You could also maybe make it a little shorter, long UA strings can
    > >> >> cause
    > >> >> problems with some sites. Just make sure you retain the closing
    > >> >> parentheses,
    > >> >> and that you keep a single semi-colon between each entry inside the
    > >> >> parentheses. Also make sure you keep it to at least the following:
    > >> >>
    > >> >> Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 6.1; Trident/4.0;)
    > >> >>
    > >> >> as this identifies the browser as IE8, your version of Windows as
    > >> >> Windows
    > >> >> 7
    > >> >> (it's actually version 6.1!), and that it uses the Trident 4 layout
    > >> >> engine
    > >> >> and is used to identify IE8 in IE7 Compatibility Mode.
    > >> >>
    > >> >> Dan
    > >> >>
    > >> >>
    > >> >> > "Dan" wrote:
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> >> He was implying you should install this:
    > >> >> >> http://www.ieaddons.com/en/details/other/UAPick_UserAgent_Switcher/
    > >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> However, I'd suggest not doing that right away. Go to
    > >> >> >> http://whatsmyuseragent.com/ and copy and paste the red string you
    > >> >> >> see
    > >> >> >> near
    > >> >> >> the top of that page into a reply here. That way we can see what IE
    > >> >> >> is
    > >> >> >> using
    > >> >> >> for it's user agent string - this is how sites identify what the
    > >> >> >> browser
    > >> >> >> is
    > >> >> >> and what options are enabled.
    > >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> As Robert stated in his reply, there's likely something in the user
    > >> >> >> agent
    > >> >> >> that the Walmart site thinks means it's a mobile browser. For
    > >> >> >> instance,
    > >> >> >> on
    > >> >> >> Feb 7 someone else posted about their IE8 being treated as a mobile
    > >> >> >> browser,
    > >> >> >> and it was noted that he had Creative AutoUpdate listed in his user
    > >> >> >> agent
    > >> >> >> string and the letters "pda" were being interpreted by the site as
    > >> >> >> meaning
    > >> >> >> it was a pda device so was displaying the mobile version of the
    > >> >> >> site.
    > >> >> >> It's
    > >> >> >> sloppy coding on the part of the site, but to work around it you
    > >> >> >> will
    > >> >> >> need
    > >> >> >> to remove the identifying string from your user agent but also make
    > >> >> >> sure
    > >> >> >> it's valid, so if you post your current user agent string in a
    > >> >> >> reply
    > >> >> >> here
    > >> >> >> we
    > >> >> >> can tell you what to change it to using the UAPick tool from the
    > >> >> >> link
    > >> >> >> above.
    > >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> Dan
    > >> >> >>
    > >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> "denmarfl" <denmarfl@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    > >> >> >> news:D898FAFF-6DAF-4179-B127-3B25C2AAD040@microsoft.com...
    > >> >> >> > Thanks....but I don't understand what you are advsing me to do.
    > >> >> >> >
    > >> >> >> > "Robert Aldwinckle" wrote:
    > >> >> >> >
    > >> >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> >> "denmarfl" <denmarfl@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    > >> >> >> >> news:9BCAB0EB-B0EE-444C-9359-44E33AD3D9D2@microsoft.com...
    > >> >> >> >> > W7 Home prem 32bit; IE8
    > >> >> >> >> >
    > >> >> >> >> > Today when I tried to go to www.walmart.com.....the site that
    > >> >> >> >> > opened
    > >> >> >> >> > was
    > >> >> >> >> > www.mobile.walmart.com. I have www.walmart.com added in my
    > >> >> >> >> > Compatibility
    > >> >> >> >> > View settings....because a month ago when going to the WalMart
    > >> >> >> >> > site
    > >> >> >> >> > I
    > >> >> >> >> > would
    > >> >> >> >> > get a Download Window and the fix was to open another Walmart
    > >> >> >> >> > site
    > >> >> >> >> > (ie
    > >> >> >> >> > a
    > >> >> >> >> > dept) and than ADD that site to the Compatibilty View setting.
    > >> >> >> >> > Afgter
    > >> >> >> >> > I
    > >> >> >> >> > did
    > >> >> >> >> > that I was going directly to the Wal-mart Home.....but now I
    > >> >> >> >> > am
    > >> >> >> >> > going
    > >> >> >> >> > to
    > >> >> >> >> > the
    > >> >> >> >> > mobile.walmart.com site.
    > >> >> >> >> >
    > >> >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> >> > Suggestions?
    > >> >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> >> You have something in your User-Agent string which can be
    > >> >> >> >> misinterpreted
    > >> >> >> >> by sloppy parsing. Try using the UAPick add-on to simplify
    > >> >> >> >> your
    > >> >> >> >> UA
    > >> >> >> >> string
    > >> >> >> >> for that site.
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>
     
  15. PA Bear [MS MVP]

    PA Bear [MS MVP] Flightless Bird

    What part of "uninstall Creative AutoUpdater" don't you understand?

    denmarfl wrote:
    > Unchecked Creative AutoUpdater....in my MsConfig\Startup...re-started
    > computer.....that did not remove Creative AutoUpdater from the User-Agent
    > String. I believe it was Dan's reply that read deleting Unchecking or
    > deleting Creative AutoUpdater would not remove it from the User-Agent
    > String.
    >
    > Surely if not the UAPick Tool, there must be a way to Delete Creative
    > AutoUpdater....from from User-Agent String. I am willing to use the Tool
    > if
    > I knew more about how it works....which is why I asked all those questions
    > in my last reply. With the right knowledge, I know I can use the tool, or
    > for that matter any other tool...or process....and get Creative
    > AutoUpdater..off my User-Agent String
    >
    > "rob^_^" wrote:
    >
    >> Hi Denmarfl,
    >>
    >> Just uninstall Creative AutoUpdater (do not delete it) and be done with
    >> it....
    >> If after you uninstall it, and reboot your computer, the string is still
    >> in
    >> your UserAgent string then contact the web site and ask for a fix.
    >> Actually, try unchecking the entry in your startup list in msconfig and
    >> then restart your computer and retest your UserAgent string to see if it
    >> has removed it.
    >>
    >> The last time I saw a Creative product was at least 5 years ago for a
    >> sound
    >> card... I doubt that what you have is even compatible with a Win7 machine
    >> as hardware firmware updates are controlled from the MS Updates, not the
    >> vendors websites.
    >>
    >> The real fault for your issues lies with the Programmers of the Walmart
    >> site... UserAgent sniffing is not the standard way of detecting mobile
    >> device web browsers.
    >>
    >> Walmart probably outsource their web site resources, so complaining to
    >> them
    >> would probably be fruitless also...
    >>
    >> UAPick_UserAgent_Switcher is a programmers tool that in the wrong hands
    >> may
    >> cause excessive confusion and frustration.
    >>
    >> Regards.
    >>
    >> "denmarfl" <denmarfl@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    >> news:C7F15D40-9735-4FA2-A807-059AA798436B@microsoft.com...
    >>> As you probably gathered, I have limited computer knowledge....
    >>>
    >>> When I click on the UAPick_UserAgent_Switcher....does it download a file
    >>> that you can save to your desktop and then Install the add-on?
    >>>
    >>> Does the add-on Install like any other software, that is, it creates a
    >>> entry
    >>> in ALL PROGRAMS to start it running?
    >>>
    >>> When UAPick starts it goes out and finds the User-Agent String and loads
    >>> it
    >>> into the software....as I would have no idea where to find it on my PC?
    >>>
    >>> I would then, to make it simple for me just delete the Creative
    >>> AutoUpdater...I am guessing the UAPick was an editior feature that
    >>> allows
    >>> you
    >>> to delete as much as you want out of the string and then save it in its
    >>> new
    >>> form????? How do you edit it with this add-on?
    >>>
    >>> Lastly, like any other software, it has its own Uninstaller, or, you can
    >>> Uninstall it using W7 Program & features. I always like to know
    >>> anything
    >>> I
    >>> install on my PC can be removed.
    >>>
    >>> From an educational standpoint, why would Creative Auto Updater be added
    >>> to
    >>> the User-Agent String? This sting just keeps getting longer as you
    >>> download
    >>> certain types of software??? so it can get quite long? Or was this
    >>> jsut
    >>> some sort of an error, that is, Creative AutoUpdater getting added to
    >>> the
    >>> string?
    >>>
    >>> Thanks for being patient with me and....teaching me.
    >>> "Dan" wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>
    >>>> "denmarfl" <denmarfl@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    >>>> news:8262338C-D481-47FA-BF68-385909961A84@microsoft.com...
    >>>>> You guys are good...and quick. Why wouldn't this impact all sites I
    >>>>> go
    >>>>> to....why just the Walmart Site?
    >>>>
    >>>> Because not all sites look for the 3 letters "pda" in the UA string and
    >>>> redirect to a different site if they find them. None of the sites I've
    >>>> built
    >>>> do so, and if I did set up a site with mobile specific content I'd
    >>>> certainly
    >>>> not base the entire thing on looking for a string of 3 letters that
    >>>> might
    >>>> crop up inside a longer word ...
    >>>>
    >>>>> I wonder if I delete the Creative Updater from P&F if it will resolve
    >>>>> the
    >>>>> Issue?
    >>>>
    >>>> Doubt it.
    >>>>
    >>>>> I do see Creative Updater in my Msconfig Startup lists; I wonder if I
    >>>>> should
    >>>>> uncheck it?
    >>>>
    >>>> Leave it running. Use the UAPick tool to just remove it from the UA
    >>>> string,
    >>>> and all will be well.
    >>>>
    >>>>> Also, I do wonder why after W7 started following my
    >>>>> Upgrade\Repair...why
    >>>>> this Creative Updater was automatically installed....what triggered it
    >>>>> and
    >>>>> why I was given a Choice.
    >>>>
    >>>> No idea - you must have something installed that uses it, soundcard
    >>>> drivers
    >>>> perhaps? I certainly don't have it on my Windows 7 based PC at home,
    >>>> but
    >>>> I'm
    >>>> using an nVidia based board with Realtek audio and no Creative software
    >>>> at
    >>>> all.
    >>>>
    >>>> Dan
    >>>>
    >>>>> "Dan" wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> "denmarfl" <denmarfl@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    >>>>>> news:88DC9239-8BF6-411B-9678-AF871CE32459@microsoft.com...
    >>>>>>> When I clicked on the link you provided I got "Page Not Found"....I
    >>>>>>> then
    >>>>>>> copied and pasted the Link into the address bar....and the page
    >>>>>>> opened:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Odd. The link is fine, as you proved by copy-and-paste. Sounds like
    >>>>>> your
    >>>>>> news reader messed up the link ...
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 6.1; Trident/4.0;
    >>>>>>> SLCC2;
    >>>>>>> .NET
    >>>>>>> CLR 2.0.50727; .NET CLR 3.5.30729; .NET CLR 3.0.30729; Media Center
    >>>>>>> PC
    >>>>>>> 6.0;
    >>>>>>> Media Center PC 5.0; MS-RTC LM 8; SLCC1; Creative AutoUpdate
    >>>>>>> v1.40.01)
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> As Rob has pointed out, and I'd already assumed would be the case,
    >>>>>> Creative
    >>>>>> AutoUpdate is causing this. If you don't want to remove the software,
    >>>>>> use
    >>>>>> the UAPick software to change the string to
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 6.1; Trident/4.0;
    >>>>>> SLCC2;
    >>>>>> .NET
    >>>>>> CLR 2.0.50727; .NET CLR 3.5.30729; .NET CLR 3.0.30729; Media Center
    >>>>>> PC
    >>>>>> 6.0;
    >>>>>> Media Center PC 5.0; MS-RTC LM 8; SLCC1;)
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> You could also maybe make it a little shorter, long UA strings can
    >>>>>> cause
    >>>>>> problems with some sites. Just make sure you retain the closing
    >>>>>> parentheses,
    >>>>>> and that you keep a single semi-colon between each entry inside the
    >>>>>> parentheses. Also make sure you keep it to at least the following:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 6.1; Trident/4.0;)
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> as this identifies the browser as IE8, your version of Windows as
    >>>>>> Windows
    >>>>>> 7
    >>>>>> (it's actually version 6.1!), and that it uses the Trident 4 layout
    >>>>>> engine
    >>>>>> and is used to identify IE8 in IE7 Compatibility Mode.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Dan
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>> "Dan" wrote:
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> He was implying you should install this:
    >>>>>>>> http://www.ieaddons.com/en/details/other/UAPick_UserAgent_Switcher/
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> However, I'd suggest not doing that right away. Go to
    >>>>>>>> http://whatsmyuseragent.com/ and copy and paste the red string you
    >>>>>>>> see
    >>>>>>>> near
    >>>>>>>> the top of that page into a reply here. That way we can see what IE
    >>>>>>>> is
    >>>>>>>> using
    >>>>>>>> for it's user agent string - this is how sites identify what the
    >>>>>>>> browser
    >>>>>>>> is
    >>>>>>>> and what options are enabled.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> As Robert stated in his reply, there's likely something in the user
    >>>>>>>> agent
    >>>>>>>> that the Walmart site thinks means it's a mobile browser. For
    >>>>>>>> instance,
    >>>>>>>> on
    >>>>>>>> Feb 7 someone else posted about their IE8 being treated as a mobile
    >>>>>>>> browser,
    >>>>>>>> and it was noted that he had Creative AutoUpdate listed in his user
    >>>>>>>> agent
    >>>>>>>> string and the letters "pda" were being interpreted by the site as
    >>>>>>>> meaning
    >>>>>>>> it was a pda device so was displaying the mobile version of the
    >>>>>>>> site.
    >>>>>>>> It's
    >>>>>>>> sloppy coding on the part of the site, but to work around it you
    >>>>>>>> will
    >>>>>>>> need
    >>>>>>>> to remove the identifying string from your user agent but also make
    >>>>>>>> sure
    >>>>>>>> it's valid, so if you post your current user agent string in a
    >>>>>>>> reply
    >>>>>>>> here
    >>>>>>>> we
    >>>>>>>> can tell you what to change it to using the UAPick tool from the
    >>>>>>>> link
    >>>>>>>> above.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> Dan
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> "denmarfl" <denmarfl@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    >>>>>>>> news:D898FAFF-6DAF-4179-B127-3B25C2AAD040@microsoft.com...
    >>>>>>>>> Thanks....but I don't understand what you are advsing me to do.
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> "Robert Aldwinckle" wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> "denmarfl" <denmarfl@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    >>>>>>>>>> news:9BCAB0EB-B0EE-444C-9359-44E33AD3D9D2@microsoft.com...
    >>>>>>>>>>> W7 Home prem 32bit; IE8
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>> Today when I tried to go to www.walmart.com.....the site that
    >>>>>>>>>>> opened
    >>>>>>>>>>> was
    >>>>>>>>>>> www.mobile.walmart.com. I have www.walmart.com added in my
    >>>>>>>>>>> Compatibility
    >>>>>>>>>>> View settings....because a month ago when going to the WalMart
    >>>>>>>>>>> site
    >>>>>>>>>>> I
    >>>>>>>>>>> would
    >>>>>>>>>>> get a Download Window and the fix was to open another Walmart
    >>>>>>>>>>> site
    >>>>>>>>>>> (ie
    >>>>>>>>>>> a
    >>>>>>>>>>> dept) and than ADD that site to the Compatibilty View setting.
    >>>>>>>>>>> Afgter
    >>>>>>>>>>> I
    >>>>>>>>>>> did
    >>>>>>>>>>> that I was going directly to the Wal-mart Home.....but now I
    >>>>>>>>>>> am
    >>>>>>>>>>> going
    >>>>>>>>>>> to
    >>>>>>>>>>> the
    >>>>>>>>>>> mobile.walmart.com site.
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>> Suggestions?
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> You have something in your User-Agent string which can be
    >>>>>>>>>> misinterpreted
    >>>>>>>>>> by sloppy parsing. Try using the UAPick add-on to simplify
    >>>>>>>>>> your
    >>>>>>>>>> UA
    >>>>>>>>>> string
    >>>>>>>>>> for that site.
     
  16. Dan

    Dan Flightless Bird

    "denmarfl" <denmarfl@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    news:36CBAAED-2CFA-4FF6-A28C-40D30498B679@microsoft.com...
    > Unchecked Creative AutoUpdater....in my MsConfig\Startup...re-started
    > computer.....that did not remove Creative AutoUpdater from the User-Agent
    > String. I believe it was Dan's reply that read deleting Unchecking or
    > deleting Creative AutoUpdater would not remove it from the User-Agent
    > String.


    All you've done is stopped it from starting - as Rob said you need to
    uninstall it, not just disable it. Uninstalling it probably will remove it,
    but there's no guarantee.

    > Surely if not the UAPick Tool, there must be a way to Delete Creative
    > AutoUpdater....from from User-Agent String. I am willing to use the Tool
    > if
    > I knew more about how it works....which is why I asked all those questions
    > in
    > my last reply. With the right knowledge, I know I can use the tool, or
    > for
    > that matter any other tool...or process....and get Creative
    > AutoUpdater..off
    > my User-Agent String


    Editing the UA string is not a simple matter - the UA pick too is one of the
    easy options. There's a link on the link I gave you that goes here:

    http://www.enhanceie.com/ietoys/uapick.asp

    with easy to follow steps on how to use the UAPick too to change the UA
    string. There really isn't anything more to it - you either pick a
    pre-defined string, enter your own edited one, or switch it back to the
    default. The plugin does all the work of modifying the appropriate registry
    entries.

    If you're sure you don't need Creative Updater, just uninstall it. There's
    no point having applications running if they're not being used for anything.
    But something must have installed that application, it doesn't come with
    Windows by default and I've never seen it on any system I've had to support
    yet.

    Dan

    > "rob^_^" wrote:
    >
    >> Hi Denmarfl,
    >>
    >> Just uninstall Creative AutoUpdater (do not delete it) and be done with
    >> it....
    >> If after you uninstall it, and reboot your computer, the string is still
    >> in
    >> your UserAgent string then contact the web site and ask for a fix.
    >> Actually, try unchecking the entry in your startup list in msconfig and
    >> then
    >> restart your computer and retest your UserAgent string to see if it has
    >> removed it.
    >>
    >> The last time I saw a Creative product was at least 5 years ago for a
    >> sound
    >> card... I doubt that what you have is even compatible with a Win7 machine
    >> as
    >> hardware firmware updates are controlled from the MS Updates, not the
    >> vendors websites.
    >>
    >> The real fault for your issues lies with the Programmers of the Walmart
    >> site... UserAgent sniffing is not the standard way of detecting mobile
    >> device web browsers.
    >>
    >> Walmart probably outsource their web site resources, so complaining to
    >> them
    >> would probably be fruitless also...
    >>
    >> UAPick_UserAgent_Switcher is a programmers tool that in the wrong hands
    >> may
    >> cause excessive confusion and frustration.
    >>
    >> Regards.
    >>
    >> "denmarfl" <denmarfl@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    >> news:C7F15D40-9735-4FA2-A807-059AA798436B@microsoft.com...
    >> > As you probably gathered, I have limited computer knowledge....
    >> >
    >> > When I click on the UAPick_UserAgent_Switcher....does it download a
    >> > file
    >> > that you can save to your desktop and then Install the add-on?
    >> >
    >> > Does the add-on Install like any other software, that is, it creates a
    >> > entry
    >> > in ALL PROGRAMS to start it running?
    >> >
    >> > When UAPick starts it goes out and finds the User-Agent String and
    >> > loads
    >> > it
    >> > into the software....as I would have no idea where to find it on my PC?
    >> >
    >> > I would then, to make it simple for me just delete the Creative
    >> > AutoUpdater...I am guessing the UAPick was an editior feature that
    >> > allows
    >> > you
    >> > to delete as much as you want out of the string and then save it in its
    >> > new
    >> > form????? How do you edit it with this add-on?
    >> >
    >> > Lastly, like any other software, it has its own Uninstaller, or, you
    >> > can
    >> > Uninstall it using W7 Program & features. I always like to know
    >> > anything
    >> > I
    >> > install on my PC can be removed.
    >> >
    >> > From an educational standpoint, why would Creative Auto Updater be
    >> > added
    >> > to
    >> > the User-Agent String? This sting just keeps getting longer as you
    >> > download
    >> > certain types of software??? so it can get quite long? Or was this
    >> > jsut
    >> > some sort of an error, that is, Creative AutoUpdater getting added to
    >> > the
    >> > string?
    >> >
    >> > Thanks for being patient with me and....teaching me.
    >> > "Dan" wrote:
    >> >
    >> >>
    >> >> "denmarfl" <denmarfl@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    >> >> news:8262338C-D481-47FA-BF68-385909961A84@microsoft.com...
    >> >> > You guys are good...and quick. Why wouldn't this impact all sites I
    >> >> > go
    >> >> > to....why just the Walmart Site?
    >> >>
    >> >> Because not all sites look for the 3 letters "pda" in the UA string
    >> >> and
    >> >> redirect to a different site if they find them. None of the sites I've
    >> >> built
    >> >> do so, and if I did set up a site with mobile specific content I'd
    >> >> certainly
    >> >> not base the entire thing on looking for a string of 3 letters that
    >> >> might
    >> >> crop up inside a longer word ...
    >> >>
    >> >> > I wonder if I delete the Creative Updater from P&F if it will
    >> >> > resolve
    >> >> > the
    >> >> > Issue?
    >> >>
    >> >> Doubt it.
    >> >>
    >> >> > I do see Creative Updater in my Msconfig Startup lists; I wonder if
    >> >> > I
    >> >> > should
    >> >> > uncheck it?
    >> >>
    >> >> Leave it running. Use the UAPick tool to just remove it from the UA
    >> >> string,
    >> >> and all will be well.
    >> >>
    >> >> > Also, I do wonder why after W7 started following my
    >> >> > Upgrade\Repair...why
    >> >> > this Creative Updater was automatically installed....what triggered
    >> >> > it
    >> >> > and
    >> >> > why I was given a Choice.
    >> >>
    >> >> No idea - you must have something installed that uses it, soundcard
    >> >> drivers
    >> >> perhaps? I certainly don't have it on my Windows 7 based PC at home,
    >> >> but
    >> >> I'm
    >> >> using an nVidia based board with Realtek audio and no Creative
    >> >> software
    >> >> at
    >> >> all.
    >> >>
    >> >> Dan
    >> >>
    >> >> > "Dan" wrote:
    >> >> >
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> "denmarfl" <denmarfl@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    >> >> >> news:88DC9239-8BF6-411B-9678-AF871CE32459@microsoft.com...
    >> >> >> > When I clicked on the link you provided I got "Page Not
    >> >> >> > Found"....I
    >> >> >> > then
    >> >> >> > copied and pasted the Link into the address bar....and the page
    >> >> >> > opened:
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> Odd. The link is fine, as you proved by copy-and-paste. Sounds like
    >> >> >> your
    >> >> >> news reader messed up the link ...
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> > Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 6.1; Trident/4.0;
    >> >> >> > SLCC2;
    >> >> >> > .NET
    >> >> >> > CLR 2.0.50727; .NET CLR 3.5.30729; .NET CLR 3.0.30729; Media
    >> >> >> > Center
    >> >> >> > PC
    >> >> >> > 6.0;
    >> >> >> > Media Center PC 5.0; MS-RTC LM 8; SLCC1; Creative AutoUpdate
    >> >> >> > v1.40.01)
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> As Rob has pointed out, and I'd already assumed would be the case,
    >> >> >> Creative
    >> >> >> AutoUpdate is causing this. If you don't want to remove the
    >> >> >> software,
    >> >> >> use
    >> >> >> the UAPick software to change the string to
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 6.1; Trident/4.0;
    >> >> >> SLCC2;
    >> >> >> .NET
    >> >> >> CLR 2.0.50727; .NET CLR 3.5.30729; .NET CLR 3.0.30729; Media Center
    >> >> >> PC
    >> >> >> 6.0;
    >> >> >> Media Center PC 5.0; MS-RTC LM 8; SLCC1;)
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> You could also maybe make it a little shorter, long UA strings can
    >> >> >> cause
    >> >> >> problems with some sites. Just make sure you retain the closing
    >> >> >> parentheses,
    >> >> >> and that you keep a single semi-colon between each entry inside the
    >> >> >> parentheses. Also make sure you keep it to at least the following:
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 6.1; Trident/4.0;)
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> as this identifies the browser as IE8, your version of Windows as
    >> >> >> Windows
    >> >> >> 7
    >> >> >> (it's actually version 6.1!), and that it uses the Trident 4 layout
    >> >> >> engine
    >> >> >> and is used to identify IE8 in IE7 Compatibility Mode.
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> Dan
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> > "Dan" wrote:
    >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> >> He was implying you should install this:
    >> >> >> >> http://www.ieaddons.com/en/details/other/UAPick_UserAgent_Switcher/
    >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >> However, I'd suggest not doing that right away. Go to
    >> >> >> >> http://whatsmyuseragent.com/ and copy and paste the red string
    >> >> >> >> you
    >> >> >> >> see
    >> >> >> >> near
    >> >> >> >> the top of that page into a reply here. That way we can see what
    >> >> >> >> IE
    >> >> >> >> is
    >> >> >> >> using
    >> >> >> >> for it's user agent string - this is how sites identify what the
    >> >> >> >> browser
    >> >> >> >> is
    >> >> >> >> and what options are enabled.
    >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >> As Robert stated in his reply, there's likely something in the
    >> >> >> >> user
    >> >> >> >> agent
    >> >> >> >> that the Walmart site thinks means it's a mobile browser. For
    >> >> >> >> instance,
    >> >> >> >> on
    >> >> >> >> Feb 7 someone else posted about their IE8 being treated as a
    >> >> >> >> mobile
    >> >> >> >> browser,
    >> >> >> >> and it was noted that he had Creative AutoUpdate listed in his
    >> >> >> >> user
    >> >> >> >> agent
    >> >> >> >> string and the letters "pda" were being interpreted by the site
    >> >> >> >> as
    >> >> >> >> meaning
    >> >> >> >> it was a pda device so was displaying the mobile version of the
    >> >> >> >> site.
    >> >> >> >> It's
    >> >> >> >> sloppy coding on the part of the site, but to work around it you
    >> >> >> >> will
    >> >> >> >> need
    >> >> >> >> to remove the identifying string from your user agent but also
    >> >> >> >> make
    >> >> >> >> sure
    >> >> >> >> it's valid, so if you post your current user agent string in a
    >> >> >> >> reply
    >> >> >> >> here
    >> >> >> >> we
    >> >> >> >> can tell you what to change it to using the UAPick tool from the
    >> >> >> >> link
    >> >> >> >> above.
    >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >> Dan
    >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >> "denmarfl" <denmarfl@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    >> >> >> >> news:D898FAFF-6DAF-4179-B127-3B25C2AAD040@microsoft.com...
    >> >> >> >> > Thanks....but I don't understand what you are advsing me to
    >> >> >> >> > do.
    >> >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> >> > "Robert Aldwinckle" wrote:
    >> >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >> >> "denmarfl" <denmarfl@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
    >> >> >> >> >> message
    >> >> >> >> >> news:9BCAB0EB-B0EE-444C-9359-44E33AD3D9D2@microsoft.com...
    >> >> >> >> >> > W7 Home prem 32bit; IE8
    >> >> >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> >> >> > Today when I tried to go to www.walmart.com.....the site
    >> >> >> >> >> > that
    >> >> >> >> >> > opened
    >> >> >> >> >> > was
    >> >> >> >> >> > www.mobile.walmart.com. I have www.walmart.com added in my
    >> >> >> >> >> > Compatibility
    >> >> >> >> >> > View settings....because a month ago when going to the
    >> >> >> >> >> > WalMart
    >> >> >> >> >> > site
    >> >> >> >> >> > I
    >> >> >> >> >> > would
    >> >> >> >> >> > get a Download Window and the fix was to open another
    >> >> >> >> >> > Walmart
    >> >> >> >> >> > site
    >> >> >> >> >> > (ie
    >> >> >> >> >> > a
    >> >> >> >> >> > dept) and than ADD that site to the Compatibilty View
    >> >> >> >> >> > setting.
    >> >> >> >> >> > Afgter
    >> >> >> >> >> > I
    >> >> >> >> >> > did
    >> >> >> >> >> > that I was going directly to the Wal-mart Home.....but now
    >> >> >> >> >> > I
    >> >> >> >> >> > am
    >> >> >> >> >> > going
    >> >> >> >> >> > to
    >> >> >> >> >> > the
    >> >> >> >> >> > mobile.walmart.com site.
    >> >> >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >> >> > Suggestions?
    >> >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >> >> You have something in your User-Agent string which can be
    >> >> >> >> >> misinterpreted
    >> >> >> >> >> by sloppy parsing. Try using the UAPick add-on to simplify
    >> >> >> >> >> your
    >> >> >> >> >> UA
    >> >> >> >> >> string
    >> >> >> >> >> for that site.
    >> >>
    >> >>
    >> >>
     
  17. denmarfl

    denmarfl Flightless Bird

    Dan; Thanks for coming back in on this....as you can gather, I am not well
    schooled in this area so I must proceed carefully so as not to create other
    issues.

    I certainly am not capable of entering\creating a String.....so are you
    saying a choice will be offered to set it back to IE\W7 Default String?

    The Tool will let me to just remove the Creative Updater....?

    Of these two, which is the best?

    Are you saying to download the Tool\add-on....or use the...which would seem
    to be a little careless since you would have no control over what is taking
    place......

    "Install UAPick (114kb)

    Hint: Want a silent / unattended install? Use the command line:
    UAPickSetup.exe /S"

    When I click on the UAPick_UserAgent_Switcher....does it download a
    file that you can save to your desktop and then Install the add-on?

    Does the add-on Install like any other software, that is, it creates a entry
    in ALL PROGRAMS to start it running?

    When UAPick starts it goes out and finds the User-Agent String and loads it
    into the software....as I would have no idea where to find it on my PC?

    I would then, to make it simple for me just delete the Creative
    AutoUpdater...I am guessing the UAPick was an editior feature that allows you
    to delete as much as you want out of the string and then save it in its new
    form????? How do you edit it with this add-on?

    Lastly, like any other software, it has its own Uninstaller, or, you can
    Uninstall it using W7 Program & features. I always like to know anything I
    install on my PC can be removed.

    Thanks for being patient with me and....teaching me...I realize I am asking
    a lot of questions and taking up a lot of your time.....but it is very much
    appreciated. I want to do it ...right the first time.

    "Dan" wrote:

    >
    > "denmarfl" <denmarfl@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    > news:36CBAAED-2CFA-4FF6-A28C-40D30498B679@microsoft.com...
    > > Unchecked Creative AutoUpdater....in my MsConfig\Startup...re-started
    > > computer.....that did not remove Creative AutoUpdater from the User-Agent
    > > String. I believe it was Dan's reply that read deleting Unchecking or
    > > deleting Creative AutoUpdater would not remove it from the User-Agent
    > > String.

    >
    > All you've done is stopped it from starting - as Rob said you need to
    > uninstall it, not just disable it. Uninstalling it probably will remove it,
    > but there's no guarantee.
    >
    > > Surely if not the UAPick Tool, there must be a way to Delete Creative
    > > AutoUpdater....from from User-Agent String. I am willing to use the Tool
    > > if
    > > I knew more about how it works....which is why I asked all those questions
    > > in
    > > my last reply. With the right knowledge, I know I can use the tool, or
    > > for
    > > that matter any other tool...or process....and get Creative
    > > AutoUpdater..off
    > > my User-Agent String

    >
    > Editing the UA string is not a simple matter - the UA pick too is one of the
    > easy options. There's a link on the link I gave you that goes here:
    >
    > http://www.enhanceie.com/ietoys/uapick.asp
    >
    > with easy to follow steps on how to use the UAPick too to change the UA
    > string. There really isn't anything more to it - you either pick a
    > pre-defined string, enter your own edited one, or switch it back to the
    > default. The plugin does all the work of modifying the appropriate registry
    > entries.
    >
    > If you're sure you don't need Creative Updater, just uninstall it. There's
    > no point having applications running if they're not being used for anything.
    > But something must have installed that application, it doesn't come with
    > Windows by default and I've never seen it on any system I've had to support
    > yet.
    >
    > Dan
    >
    > > "rob^_^" wrote:
    > >
    > >> Hi Denmarfl,
    > >>
    > >> Just uninstall Creative AutoUpdater (do not delete it) and be done with
    > >> it....
    > >> If after you uninstall it, and reboot your computer, the string is still
    > >> in
    > >> your UserAgent string then contact the web site and ask for a fix.
    > >> Actually, try unchecking the entry in your startup list in msconfig and
    > >> then
    > >> restart your computer and retest your UserAgent string to see if it has
    > >> removed it.
    > >>
    > >> The last time I saw a Creative product was at least 5 years ago for a
    > >> sound
    > >> card... I doubt that what you have is even compatible with a Win7 machine
    > >> as
    > >> hardware firmware updates are controlled from the MS Updates, not the
    > >> vendors websites.
    > >>
    > >> The real fault for your issues lies with the Programmers of the Walmart
    > >> site... UserAgent sniffing is not the standard way of detecting mobile
    > >> device web browsers.
    > >>
    > >> Walmart probably outsource their web site resources, so complaining to
    > >> them
    > >> would probably be fruitless also...
    > >>
    > >> UAPick_UserAgent_Switcher is a programmers tool that in the wrong hands
    > >> may
    > >> cause excessive confusion and frustration.
    > >>
    > >> Regards.
    > >>
    > >> "denmarfl" <denmarfl@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    > >> news:C7F15D40-9735-4FA2-A807-059AA798436B@microsoft.com...
    > >> > As you probably gathered, I have limited computer knowledge....
    > >> >
    > >> > When I click on the UAPick_UserAgent_Switcher....does it download a
    > >> > file
    > >> > that you can save to your desktop and then Install the add-on?
    > >> >
    > >> > Does the add-on Install like any other software, that is, it creates a
    > >> > entry
    > >> > in ALL PROGRAMS to start it running?
    > >> >
    > >> > When UAPick starts it goes out and finds the User-Agent String and
    > >> > loads
    > >> > it
    > >> > into the software....as I would have no idea where to find it on my PC?
    > >> >
    > >> > I would then, to make it simple for me just delete the Creative
    > >> > AutoUpdater...I am guessing the UAPick was an editior feature that
    > >> > allows
    > >> > you
    > >> > to delete as much as you want out of the string and then save it in its
    > >> > new
    > >> > form????? How do you edit it with this add-on?
    > >> >
    > >> > Lastly, like any other software, it has its own Uninstaller, or, you
    > >> > can
    > >> > Uninstall it using W7 Program & features. I always like to know
    > >> > anything
    > >> > I
    > >> > install on my PC can be removed.
    > >> >
    > >> > From an educational standpoint, why would Creative Auto Updater be
    > >> > added
    > >> > to
    > >> > the User-Agent String? This sting just keeps getting longer as you
    > >> > download
    > >> > certain types of software??? so it can get quite long? Or was this
    > >> > jsut
    > >> > some sort of an error, that is, Creative AutoUpdater getting added to
    > >> > the
    > >> > string?
    > >> >
    > >> > Thanks for being patient with me and....teaching me.
    > >> > "Dan" wrote:
    > >> >
    > >> >>
    > >> >> "denmarfl" <denmarfl@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    > >> >> news:8262338C-D481-47FA-BF68-385909961A84@microsoft.com...
    > >> >> > You guys are good...and quick. Why wouldn't this impact all sites I
    > >> >> > go
    > >> >> > to....why just the Walmart Site?
    > >> >>
    > >> >> Because not all sites look for the 3 letters "pda" in the UA string
    > >> >> and
    > >> >> redirect to a different site if they find them. None of the sites I've
    > >> >> built
    > >> >> do so, and if I did set up a site with mobile specific content I'd
    > >> >> certainly
    > >> >> not base the entire thing on looking for a string of 3 letters that
    > >> >> might
    > >> >> crop up inside a longer word ...
    > >> >>
    > >> >> > I wonder if I delete the Creative Updater from P&F if it will
    > >> >> > resolve
    > >> >> > the
    > >> >> > Issue?
    > >> >>
    > >> >> Doubt it.
    > >> >>
    > >> >> > I do see Creative Updater in my Msconfig Startup lists; I wonder if
    > >> >> > I
    > >> >> > should
    > >> >> > uncheck it?
    > >> >>
    > >> >> Leave it running. Use the UAPick tool to just remove it from the UA
    > >> >> string,
    > >> >> and all will be well.
    > >> >>
    > >> >> > Also, I do wonder why after W7 started following my
    > >> >> > Upgrade\Repair...why
    > >> >> > this Creative Updater was automatically installed....what triggered
    > >> >> > it
    > >> >> > and
    > >> >> > why I was given a Choice.
    > >> >>
    > >> >> No idea - you must have something installed that uses it, soundcard
    > >> >> drivers
    > >> >> perhaps? I certainly don't have it on my Windows 7 based PC at home,
    > >> >> but
    > >> >> I'm
    > >> >> using an nVidia based board with Realtek audio and no Creative
    > >> >> software
    > >> >> at
    > >> >> all.
    > >> >>
    > >> >> Dan
    > >> >>
    > >> >> > "Dan" wrote:
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> "denmarfl" <denmarfl@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    > >> >> >> news:88DC9239-8BF6-411B-9678-AF871CE32459@microsoft.com...
    > >> >> >> > When I clicked on the link you provided I got "Page Not
    > >> >> >> > Found"....I
    > >> >> >> > then
    > >> >> >> > copied and pasted the Link into the address bar....and the page
    > >> >> >> > opened:
    > >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> Odd. The link is fine, as you proved by copy-and-paste. Sounds like
    > >> >> >> your
    > >> >> >> news reader messed up the link ...
    > >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> > Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 6.1; Trident/4.0;
    > >> >> >> > SLCC2;
    > >> >> >> > .NET
    > >> >> >> > CLR 2.0.50727; .NET CLR 3.5.30729; .NET CLR 3.0.30729; Media
    > >> >> >> > Center
    > >> >> >> > PC
    > >> >> >> > 6.0;
    > >> >> >> > Media Center PC 5.0; MS-RTC LM 8; SLCC1; Creative AutoUpdate
    > >> >> >> > v1.40.01)
    > >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> As Rob has pointed out, and I'd already assumed would be the case,
    > >> >> >> Creative
    > >> >> >> AutoUpdate is causing this. If you don't want to remove the
    > >> >> >> software,
    > >> >> >> use
    > >> >> >> the UAPick software to change the string to
    > >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 6.1; Trident/4.0;
    > >> >> >> SLCC2;
    > >> >> >> .NET
    > >> >> >> CLR 2.0.50727; .NET CLR 3.5.30729; .NET CLR 3.0.30729; Media Center
    > >> >> >> PC
    > >> >> >> 6.0;
    > >> >> >> Media Center PC 5.0; MS-RTC LM 8; SLCC1;)
    > >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> You could also maybe make it a little shorter, long UA strings can
    > >> >> >> cause
    > >> >> >> problems with some sites. Just make sure you retain the closing
    > >> >> >> parentheses,
    > >> >> >> and that you keep a single semi-colon between each entry inside the
    > >> >> >> parentheses. Also make sure you keep it to at least the following:
    > >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 6.1; Trident/4.0;)
    > >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> as this identifies the browser as IE8, your version of Windows as
    > >> >> >> Windows
    > >> >> >> 7
    > >> >> >> (it's actually version 6.1!), and that it uses the Trident 4 layout
    > >> >> >> engine
    > >> >> >> and is used to identify IE8 in IE7 Compatibility Mode.
    > >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> Dan
    > >> >> >>
    > >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> > "Dan" wrote:
    > >> >> >> >
    > >> >> >> >> He was implying you should install this:
    > >> >> >> >> http://www.ieaddons.com/en/details/other/UAPick_UserAgent_Switcher/
    > >> >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> >> However, I'd suggest not doing that right away. Go to
    > >> >> >> >> http://whatsmyuseragent.com/ and copy and paste the red string
    > >> >> >> >> you
    > >> >> >> >> see
    > >> >> >> >> near
    > >> >> >> >> the top of that page into a reply here. That way we can see what
    > >> >> >> >> IE
    > >> >> >> >> is
    > >> >> >> >> using
    > >> >> >> >> for it's user agent string - this is how sites identify what the
    > >> >> >> >> browser
    > >> >> >> >> is
    > >> >> >> >> and what options are enabled.
    > >> >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> >> As Robert stated in his reply, there's likely something in the
    > >> >> >> >> user
    > >> >> >> >> agent
    > >> >> >> >> that the Walmart site thinks means it's a mobile browser. For
    > >> >> >> >> instance,
    > >> >> >> >> on
    > >> >> >> >> Feb 7 someone else posted about their IE8 being treated as a
    > >> >> >> >> mobile
    > >> >> >> >> browser,
    > >> >> >> >> and it was noted that he had Creative AutoUpdate listed in his
    > >> >> >> >> user
    > >> >> >> >> agent
    > >> >> >> >> string and the letters "pda" were being interpreted by the site
    > >> >> >> >> as
    > >> >> >> >> meaning
    > >> >> >> >> it was a pda device so was displaying the mobile version of the
    > >> >> >> >> site.
    > >> >> >> >> It's
    > >> >> >> >> sloppy coding on the part of the site, but to work around it you
    > >> >> >> >> will
    > >> >> >> >> need
    > >> >> >> >> to remove the identifying string from your user agent but also
    > >> >> >> >> make
    > >> >> >> >> sure
    > >> >> >> >> it's valid, so if you post your current user agent string in a
    > >> >> >> >> reply
    > >> >> >> >> here
    > >> >> >> >> we
    > >> >> >> >> can tell you what to change it to using the UAPick tool from the
    > >> >> >> >> link
    > >> >> >> >> above.
    > >> >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> >> Dan
    > >> >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> >> "denmarfl" <denmarfl@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    > >> >> >> >> news:D898FAFF-6DAF-4179-B127-3B25C2AAD040@microsoft.com...
    > >> >> >> >> > Thanks....but I don't understand what you are advsing me to
    > >> >> >> >> > do.
    > >> >> >> >> >
    > >> >> >> >> > "Robert Aldwinckle" wrote:
    > >> >> >> >> >
    > >> >> >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> >> >> "denmarfl" <denmarfl@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
    > >> >> >> >> >> message
    > >> >> >> >> >> news:9BCAB0EB-B0EE-444C-9359-44E33AD3D9D2@microsoft.com...
    > >> >> >> >> >> > W7 Home prem 32bit; IE8
     
  18. Dan

    Dan Flightless Bird

    "denmarfl" <denmarfl@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    news:C2212D2C-7464-40CC-943C-F1EC425FFEA6@microsoft.com...
    > Dan; Thanks for coming back in on this....as you can gather, I am not well
    > schooled in this area so I must proceed carefully so as not to create
    > other
    > issues.
    >
    > I certainly am not capable of entering\creating a String.....so are you
    > saying a choice will be offered to set it back to IE\W7 Default String?


    I've already in an earlier told you exactly what you need to enter as the
    new string. You just need to type it in the box.

    > The Tool will let me to just remove the Creative Updater....?


    No, the to remove Creative Updater go to Add/Remove Programs in Control
    Panel and uninstall it. Do you not know how to uninstall an application?


    > Of these two, which is the best?
    >
    > Are you saying to download the Tool\add-on....or use the...which would
    > seem
    > to be a little careless since you would have no control over what is
    > taking
    > place......


    Stop. Uninstall the Creative Updater application, don't go near UAPick. I'm
    sorry, but your replies are making it very clear you should not be touching
    anything that can change settings on your computer.

    I can't go on trying to help you, sorry. I would suggest that you talk to
    someone who can help you with this in person. If you continue to try to
    understand things, and it's clear that you haven't understood anything any
    of us have replied to you with, then you risk messing up settings and
    rendering your browser, and possibly more, unusable.

    Dan

    > "Install UAPick (114kb)
    >
    > Hint: Want a silent / unattended install? Use the command line:
    > UAPickSetup.exe /S"
    >
    > When I click on the UAPick_UserAgent_Switcher....does it download a
    > file that you can save to your desktop and then Install the add-on?
    >
    > Does the add-on Install like any other software, that is, it creates a
    > entry
    > in ALL PROGRAMS to start it running?
    >
    > When UAPick starts it goes out and finds the User-Agent String and loads
    > it
    > into the software....as I would have no idea where to find it on my PC?
    >
    > I would then, to make it simple for me just delete the Creative
    > AutoUpdater...I am guessing the UAPick was an editior feature that allows
    > you
    > to delete as much as you want out of the string and then save it in its
    > new
    > form????? How do you edit it with this add-on?
    >
    > Lastly, like any other software, it has its own Uninstaller, or, you can
    > Uninstall it using W7 Program & features. I always like to know anything
    > I
    > install on my PC can be removed.
    >
    > Thanks for being patient with me and....teaching me...I realize I am
    > asking
    > a lot of questions and taking up a lot of your time.....but it is very
    > much
    > appreciated. I want to do it ...right the first time.
    >
    > "Dan" wrote:
    >
    >>
    >> "denmarfl" <denmarfl@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    >> news:36CBAAED-2CFA-4FF6-A28C-40D30498B679@microsoft.com...
    >> > Unchecked Creative AutoUpdater....in my MsConfig\Startup...re-started
    >> > computer.....that did not remove Creative AutoUpdater from the
    >> > User-Agent
    >> > String. I believe it was Dan's reply that read deleting Unchecking or
    >> > deleting Creative AutoUpdater would not remove it from the User-Agent
    >> > String.

    >>
    >> All you've done is stopped it from starting - as Rob said you need to
    >> uninstall it, not just disable it. Uninstalling it probably will remove
    >> it,
    >> but there's no guarantee.
    >>
    >> > Surely if not the UAPick Tool, there must be a way to Delete Creative
    >> > AutoUpdater....from from User-Agent String. I am willing to use the
    >> > Tool
    >> > if
    >> > I knew more about how it works....which is why I asked all those
    >> > questions
    >> > in
    >> > my last reply. With the right knowledge, I know I can use the tool, or
    >> > for
    >> > that matter any other tool...or process....and get Creative
    >> > AutoUpdater..off
    >> > my User-Agent String

    >>
    >> Editing the UA string is not a simple matter - the UA pick too is one of
    >> the
    >> easy options. There's a link on the link I gave you that goes here:
    >>
    >> http://www.enhanceie.com/ietoys/uapick.asp
    >>
    >> with easy to follow steps on how to use the UAPick too to change the UA
    >> string. There really isn't anything more to it - you either pick a
    >> pre-defined string, enter your own edited one, or switch it back to the
    >> default. The plugin does all the work of modifying the appropriate
    >> registry
    >> entries.
    >>
    >> If you're sure you don't need Creative Updater, just uninstall it.
    >> There's
    >> no point having applications running if they're not being used for
    >> anything.
    >> But something must have installed that application, it doesn't come with
    >> Windows by default and I've never seen it on any system I've had to
    >> support
    >> yet.
    >>
    >> Dan
    >>
    >> > "rob^_^" wrote:
    >> >
    >> >> Hi Denmarfl,
    >> >>
    >> >> Just uninstall Creative AutoUpdater (do not delete it) and be done
    >> >> with
    >> >> it....
    >> >> If after you uninstall it, and reboot your computer, the string is
    >> >> still
    >> >> in
    >> >> your UserAgent string then contact the web site and ask for a fix.
    >> >> Actually, try unchecking the entry in your startup list in msconfig
    >> >> and
    >> >> then
    >> >> restart your computer and retest your UserAgent string to see if it
    >> >> has
    >> >> removed it.
    >> >>
    >> >> The last time I saw a Creative product was at least 5 years ago for a
    >> >> sound
    >> >> card... I doubt that what you have is even compatible with a Win7
    >> >> machine
    >> >> as
    >> >> hardware firmware updates are controlled from the MS Updates, not the
    >> >> vendors websites.
    >> >>
    >> >> The real fault for your issues lies with the Programmers of the
    >> >> Walmart
    >> >> site... UserAgent sniffing is not the standard way of detecting mobile
    >> >> device web browsers.
    >> >>
    >> >> Walmart probably outsource their web site resources, so complaining to
    >> >> them
    >> >> would probably be fruitless also...
    >> >>
    >> >> UAPick_UserAgent_Switcher is a programmers tool that in the wrong
    >> >> hands
    >> >> may
    >> >> cause excessive confusion and frustration.
    >> >>
    >> >> Regards.
    >> >>
    >> >> "denmarfl" <denmarfl@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    >> >> news:C7F15D40-9735-4FA2-A807-059AA798436B@microsoft.com...
    >> >> > As you probably gathered, I have limited computer knowledge....
    >> >> >
    >> >> > When I click on the UAPick_UserAgent_Switcher....does it download a
    >> >> > file
    >> >> > that you can save to your desktop and then Install the add-on?
    >> >> >
    >> >> > Does the add-on Install like any other software, that is, it creates
    >> >> > a
    >> >> > entry
    >> >> > in ALL PROGRAMS to start it running?
    >> >> >
    >> >> > When UAPick starts it goes out and finds the User-Agent String and
    >> >> > loads
    >> >> > it
    >> >> > into the software....as I would have no idea where to find it on my
    >> >> > PC?
    >> >> >
    >> >> > I would then, to make it simple for me just delete the Creative
    >> >> > AutoUpdater...I am guessing the UAPick was an editior feature that
    >> >> > allows
    >> >> > you
    >> >> > to delete as much as you want out of the string and then save it in
    >> >> > its
    >> >> > new
    >> >> > form????? How do you edit it with this add-on?
    >> >> >
    >> >> > Lastly, like any other software, it has its own Uninstaller, or, you
    >> >> > can
    >> >> > Uninstall it using W7 Program & features. I always like to know
    >> >> > anything
    >> >> > I
    >> >> > install on my PC can be removed.
    >> >> >
    >> >> > From an educational standpoint, why would Creative Auto Updater be
    >> >> > added
    >> >> > to
    >> >> > the User-Agent String? This sting just keeps getting longer as you
    >> >> > download
    >> >> > certain types of software??? so it can get quite long? Or was this
    >> >> > jsut
    >> >> > some sort of an error, that is, Creative AutoUpdater getting added
    >> >> > to
    >> >> > the
    >> >> > string?
    >> >> >
    >> >> > Thanks for being patient with me and....teaching me.
    >> >> > "Dan" wrote:
    >> >> >
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> "denmarfl" <denmarfl@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    >> >> >> news:8262338C-D481-47FA-BF68-385909961A84@microsoft.com...
    >> >> >> > You guys are good...and quick. Why wouldn't this impact all
    >> >> >> > sites I
    >> >> >> > go
    >> >> >> > to....why just the Walmart Site?
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> Because not all sites look for the 3 letters "pda" in the UA string
    >> >> >> and
    >> >> >> redirect to a different site if they find them. None of the sites
    >> >> >> I've
    >> >> >> built
    >> >> >> do so, and if I did set up a site with mobile specific content I'd
    >> >> >> certainly
    >> >> >> not base the entire thing on looking for a string of 3 letters that
    >> >> >> might
    >> >> >> crop up inside a longer word ...
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> > I wonder if I delete the Creative Updater from P&F if it will
    >> >> >> > resolve
    >> >> >> > the
    >> >> >> > Issue?
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> Doubt it.
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> > I do see Creative Updater in my Msconfig Startup lists; I wonder
    >> >> >> > if
    >> >> >> > I
    >> >> >> > should
    >> >> >> > uncheck it?
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> Leave it running. Use the UAPick tool to just remove it from the UA
    >> >> >> string,
    >> >> >> and all will be well.
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> > Also, I do wonder why after W7 started following my
    >> >> >> > Upgrade\Repair...why
    >> >> >> > this Creative Updater was automatically installed....what
    >> >> >> > triggered
    >> >> >> > it
    >> >> >> > and
    >> >> >> > why I was given a Choice.
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> No idea - you must have something installed that uses it, soundcard
    >> >> >> drivers
    >> >> >> perhaps? I certainly don't have it on my Windows 7 based PC at
    >> >> >> home,
    >> >> >> but
    >> >> >> I'm
    >> >> >> using an nVidia based board with Realtek audio and no Creative
    >> >> >> software
    >> >> >> at
    >> >> >> all.
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> Dan
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> > "Dan" wrote:
    >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >> "denmarfl" <denmarfl@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    >> >> >> >> news:88DC9239-8BF6-411B-9678-AF871CE32459@microsoft.com...
    >> >> >> >> > When I clicked on the link you provided I got "Page Not
    >> >> >> >> > Found"....I
    >> >> >> >> > then
    >> >> >> >> > copied and pasted the Link into the address bar....and the
    >> >> >> >> > page
    >> >> >> >> > opened:
    >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >> Odd. The link is fine, as you proved by copy-and-paste. Sounds
    >> >> >> >> like
    >> >> >> >> your
    >> >> >> >> news reader messed up the link ...
    >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >> > Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 6.1;
    >> >> >> >> > Trident/4.0;
    >> >> >> >> > SLCC2;
    >> >> >> >> > .NET
    >> >> >> >> > CLR 2.0.50727; .NET CLR 3.5.30729; .NET CLR 3.0.30729; Media
    >> >> >> >> > Center
    >> >> >> >> > PC
    >> >> >> >> > 6.0;
    >> >> >> >> > Media Center PC 5.0; MS-RTC LM 8; SLCC1; Creative AutoUpdate
    >> >> >> >> > v1.40.01)
    >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >> As Rob has pointed out, and I'd already assumed would be the
    >> >> >> >> case,
    >> >> >> >> Creative
    >> >> >> >> AutoUpdate is causing this. If you don't want to remove the
    >> >> >> >> software,
    >> >> >> >> use
    >> >> >> >> the UAPick software to change the string to
    >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >> Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 6.1; Trident/4.0;
    >> >> >> >> SLCC2;
    >> >> >> >> .NET
    >> >> >> >> CLR 2.0.50727; .NET CLR 3.5.30729; .NET CLR 3.0.30729; Media
    >> >> >> >> Center
    >> >> >> >> PC
    >> >> >> >> 6.0;
    >> >> >> >> Media Center PC 5.0; MS-RTC LM 8; SLCC1;)
    >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >> You could also maybe make it a little shorter, long UA strings
    >> >> >> >> can
    >> >> >> >> cause
    >> >> >> >> problems with some sites. Just make sure you retain the closing
    >> >> >> >> parentheses,
    >> >> >> >> and that you keep a single semi-colon between each entry inside
    >> >> >> >> the
    >> >> >> >> parentheses. Also make sure you keep it to at least the
    >> >> >> >> following:
    >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >> Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 6.1; Trident/4.0;)
    >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >> as this identifies the browser as IE8, your version of Windows
    >> >> >> >> as
    >> >> >> >> Windows
    >> >> >> >> 7
    >> >> >> >> (it's actually version 6.1!), and that it uses the Trident 4
    >> >> >> >> layout
    >> >> >> >> engine
    >> >> >> >> and is used to identify IE8 in IE7 Compatibility Mode.
    >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >> Dan
    >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >> > "Dan" wrote:
    >> >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> >> >> He was implying you should install this:
    >> >> >> >> >> http://www.ieaddons.com/en/details/other/UAPick_UserAgent_Switcher/
    >> >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >> >> However, I'd suggest not doing that right away. Go to
    >> >> >> >> >> http://whatsmyuseragent.com/ and copy and paste the red
    >> >> >> >> >> string
    >> >> >> >> >> you
    >> >> >> >> >> see
    >> >> >> >> >> near
    >> >> >> >> >> the top of that page into a reply here. That way we can see
    >> >> >> >> >> what
    >> >> >> >> >> IE
    >> >> >> >> >> is
    >> >> >> >> >> using
    >> >> >> >> >> for it's user agent string - this is how sites identify what
    >> >> >> >> >> the
    >> >> >> >> >> browser
    >> >> >> >> >> is
    >> >> >> >> >> and what options are enabled.
    >> >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >> >> As Robert stated in his reply, there's likely something in
    >> >> >> >> >> the
    >> >> >> >> >> user
    >> >> >> >> >> agent
    >> >> >> >> >> that the Walmart site thinks means it's a mobile browser. For
    >> >> >> >> >> instance,
    >> >> >> >> >> on
    >> >> >> >> >> Feb 7 someone else posted about their IE8 being treated as a
    >> >> >> >> >> mobile
    >> >> >> >> >> browser,
    >> >> >> >> >> and it was noted that he had Creative AutoUpdate listed in
    >> >> >> >> >> his
    >> >> >> >> >> user
    >> >> >> >> >> agent
    >> >> >> >> >> string and the letters "pda" were being interpreted by the
    >> >> >> >> >> site
    >> >> >> >> >> as
    >> >> >> >> >> meaning
    >> >> >> >> >> it was a pda device so was displaying the mobile version of
    >> >> >> >> >> the
    >> >> >> >> >> site.
    >> >> >> >> >> It's
    >> >> >> >> >> sloppy coding on the part of the site, but to work around it
    >> >> >> >> >> you
    >> >> >> >> >> will
    >> >> >> >> >> need
    >> >> >> >> >> to remove the identifying string from your user agent but
    >> >> >> >> >> also
    >> >> >> >> >> make
    >> >> >> >> >> sure
    >> >> >> >> >> it's valid, so if you post your current user agent string in
    >> >> >> >> >> a
    >> >> >> >> >> reply
    >> >> >> >> >> here
    >> >> >> >> >> we
    >> >> >> >> >> can tell you what to change it to using the UAPick tool from
    >> >> >> >> >> the
    >> >> >> >> >> link
    >> >> >> >> >> above.
    >> >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >> >> Dan
    >> >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >> >> "denmarfl" <denmarfl@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
    >> >> >> >> >> message
    >> >> >> >> >> news:D898FAFF-6DAF-4179-B127-3B25C2AAD040@microsoft.com...
    >> >> >> >> >> > Thanks....but I don't understand what you are advsing me to
    >> >> >> >> >> > do.
    >> >> >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> >> >> > "Robert Aldwinckle" wrote:
    >> >> >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> >> >> >>
    >> >> >> >> >> >> "denmarfl" <denmarfl@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
    >> >> >> >> >> >> message
    >> >> >> >> >> >> news:9BCAB0EB-B0EE-444C-9359-44E33AD3D9D2@microsoft.com...
    >> >> >> >> >> >> > W7 Home prem 32bit; IE8
     
  19. G. R. Woodring

    G. R. Woodring Flightless Bird

    After installing the UA picker open the "Tools" menu in Internet Explorer.
    (Click the "Tools" button or hit [Alt] then "T".) There will be an option "Set
    UA String", click on that. Your User Agent will be displayed, you can then
    highlight "Creative AutoUpdate v1.40.01" and hit delete and "Save" or you can
    select from a dropdown list of preset UA strings. Select the one that matches
    your IE version and O/S.

    Some software and Microsoft Updates can change the UA string so it's a good idea
    to periodically check and repeat your selection if it has been modified. If you
    don't remove the Creative Updater software from your system it will probably add
    itself back the the UA string.

    The UA picker can be un-installed through Add/Remove Programs, it is listed
    there as "Bayden UAPick".

    --
    G. R. Woodring

    < Snipped a great deal of unproductive discussion below >
    < I apologize that much of the attribution was lost >

    Date: 3/10/2010 11:28 AM, Author: denmarfl Wrote:
    > Dan; Thanks for coming back in on this....as you can gather, I am not well
    > schooled in this area so I must proceed carefully so as not to create other
    > issues.
    >
    > I certainly am not capable of entering\creating a String.....so are you
    > saying a choice will be offered to set it back to IE\W7 Default String?
    >
    >> "denmarfl" <denmarfl@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    >> news:36CBAAED-2CFA-4FF6-A28C-40D30498B679@microsoft.com...
    >>
    >> http://www.enhanceie.com/ietoys/uapick.asp
    >>
    >> with easy to follow steps on how to use the UAPick too to change the UA
    >> string. There really isn't anything more to it - you either pick a
    >> pre-defined string, enter your own edited one, or switch it back to the
    >> default. The plugin does all the work of modifying the appropriate registry
    >> entries.
    >>
    >> If you're sure you don't need Creative Updater, just uninstall it. There's
    >> no point having applications running if they're not being used for anything.
    >> But something must have installed that application, it doesn't come with
    >> Windows by default and I've never seen it on any system I've had to support
    >> yet.
    >>
    >> Dan
    >>
    >>> "rob^_^" wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> "denmarfl" <denmarfl@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    >>>>>>>>>> news:D898FAFF-6DAF-4179-B127-3B25C2AAD040@microsoft.com...
    >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks....but I don't understand what you are advsing me to
    >>>>>>>>>>> do.
    >>>>>>>>>>>
     
  20. denmarfl

    denmarfl Flightless Bird

    WOW...you guys are coming down hard on me......I didn't intend to get anyone
    "ticked" at me.

    I went in and UnChecked Creative AutoUpdater in Msconfig\Startup.....that
    didn't correct the issue.

    I than went into P&F and Uninstalled Creative AutoUpdaterv1.40....and that
    resolved the issue. My User-Agent String no longer contains the Creative
    AutoUpdater text. I did call Creative and they were at a total loss as to
    what the User-Agent String was.....but did say that the Creative AutoUpdater
    is automatically installed with the Driver. I am gusessing as Windows 7 was
    re-starting for the 1st time after the In-Place Upgrade.....this Updater was
    installed becaused Windows during the Upgrade installed a newer driver for my
    Soundcard. Creative said to delete the Updater form P&F and that the Updater
    would not be offered again\installed, it is only installed along with the
    Install of its driver. if need be I can check for Creative Updates manually
    at their site.

    I am thinking the Windows Update will check for any updates needed for my
    Creative sound card........

    Thanks to both Dan and PA Bear......even though I didn't use the UAPICK
    tool, I have certainly learned some new stuff.........

    "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:

    > What part of "uninstall Creative AutoUpdater" don't you understand?
    >
    > denmarfl wrote:
    > > Unchecked Creative AutoUpdater....in my MsConfig\Startup...re-started
    > > computer.....that did not remove Creative AutoUpdater from the User-Agent
    > > String. I believe it was Dan's reply that read deleting Unchecking or
    > > deleting Creative AutoUpdater would not remove it from the User-Agent
    > > String.
    > >
    > > Surely if not the UAPick Tool, there must be a way to Delete Creative
    > > AutoUpdater....from from User-Agent String. I am willing to use the Tool
    > > if
    > > I knew more about how it works....which is why I asked all those questions
    > > in my last reply. With the right knowledge, I know I can use the tool, or
    > > for that matter any other tool...or process....and get Creative
    > > AutoUpdater..off my User-Agent String
    > >
    > > "rob^_^" wrote:
    > >
    > >> Hi Denmarfl,
    > >>
    > >> Just uninstall Creative AutoUpdater (do not delete it) and be done with
    > >> it....
    > >> If after you uninstall it, and reboot your computer, the string is still
    > >> in
    > >> your UserAgent string then contact the web site and ask for a fix.
    > >> Actually, try unchecking the entry in your startup list in msconfig and
    > >> then restart your computer and retest your UserAgent string to see if it
    > >> has removed it.
    > >>
    > >> The last time I saw a Creative product was at least 5 years ago for a
    > >> sound
    > >> card... I doubt that what you have is even compatible with a Win7 machine
    > >> as hardware firmware updates are controlled from the MS Updates, not the
    > >> vendors websites.
    > >>
    > >> The real fault for your issues lies with the Programmers of the Walmart
    > >> site... UserAgent sniffing is not the standard way of detecting mobile
    > >> device web browsers.
    > >>
    > >> Walmart probably outsource their web site resources, so complaining to
    > >> them
    > >> would probably be fruitless also...
    > >>
    > >> UAPick_UserAgent_Switcher is a programmers tool that in the wrong hands
    > >> may
    > >> cause excessive confusion and frustration.
    > >>
    > >> Regards.
    > >>
    > >> "denmarfl" <denmarfl@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    > >> news:C7F15D40-9735-4FA2-A807-059AA798436B@microsoft.com...
    > >>> As you probably gathered, I have limited computer knowledge....
    > >>>
    > >>> When I click on the UAPick_UserAgent_Switcher....does it download a file
    > >>> that you can save to your desktop and then Install the add-on?
    > >>>
    > >>> Does the add-on Install like any other software, that is, it creates a
    > >>> entry
    > >>> in ALL PROGRAMS to start it running?
    > >>>
    > >>> When UAPick starts it goes out and finds the User-Agent String and loads
    > >>> it
    > >>> into the software....as I would have no idea where to find it on my PC?
    > >>>
    > >>> I would then, to make it simple for me just delete the Creative
    > >>> AutoUpdater...I am guessing the UAPick was an editior feature that
    > >>> allows
    > >>> you
    > >>> to delete as much as you want out of the string and then save it in its
    > >>> new
    > >>> form????? How do you edit it with this add-on?
    > >>>
    > >>> Lastly, like any other software, it has its own Uninstaller, or, you can
    > >>> Uninstall it using W7 Program & features. I always like to know
    > >>> anything
    > >>> I
    > >>> install on my PC can be removed.
    > >>>
    > >>> From an educational standpoint, why would Creative Auto Updater be added
    > >>> to
    > >>> the User-Agent String? This sting just keeps getting longer as you
    > >>> download
    > >>> certain types of software??? so it can get quite long? Or was this
    > >>> jsut
    > >>> some sort of an error, that is, Creative AutoUpdater getting added to
    > >>> the
    > >>> string?
    > >>>
    > >>> Thanks for being patient with me and....teaching me.
    > >>> "Dan" wrote:
    > >>>
    > >>>>
    > >>>> "denmarfl" <denmarfl@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    > >>>> news:8262338C-D481-47FA-BF68-385909961A84@microsoft.com...
    > >>>>> You guys are good...and quick. Why wouldn't this impact all sites I
    > >>>>> go
    > >>>>> to....why just the Walmart Site?
    > >>>>
    > >>>> Because not all sites look for the 3 letters "pda" in the UA string and
    > >>>> redirect to a different site if they find them. None of the sites I've
    > >>>> built
    > >>>> do so, and if I did set up a site with mobile specific content I'd
    > >>>> certainly
    > >>>> not base the entire thing on looking for a string of 3 letters that
    > >>>> might
    > >>>> crop up inside a longer word ...
    > >>>>
    > >>>>> I wonder if I delete the Creative Updater from P&F if it will resolve
    > >>>>> the
    > >>>>> Issue?
    > >>>>
    > >>>> Doubt it.
    > >>>>
    > >>>>> I do see Creative Updater in my Msconfig Startup lists; I wonder if I
    > >>>>> should
    > >>>>> uncheck it?
    > >>>>
    > >>>> Leave it running. Use the UAPick tool to just remove it from the UA
    > >>>> string,
    > >>>> and all will be well.
    > >>>>
    > >>>>> Also, I do wonder why after W7 started following my
    > >>>>> Upgrade\Repair...why
    > >>>>> this Creative Updater was automatically installed....what triggered it
    > >>>>> and
    > >>>>> why I was given a Choice.
    > >>>>
    > >>>> No idea - you must have something installed that uses it, soundcard
    > >>>> drivers
    > >>>> perhaps? I certainly don't have it on my Windows 7 based PC at home,
    > >>>> but
    > >>>> I'm
    > >>>> using an nVidia based board with Realtek audio and no Creative software
    > >>>> at
    > >>>> all.
    > >>>>
    > >>>> Dan
    > >>>>
    > >>>>> "Dan" wrote:
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>> "denmarfl" <denmarfl@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    > >>>>>> news:88DC9239-8BF6-411B-9678-AF871CE32459@microsoft.com...
    > >>>>>>> When I clicked on the link you provided I got "Page Not Found"....I
    > >>>>>>> then
    > >>>>>>> copied and pasted the Link into the address bar....and the page
    > >>>>>>> opened:
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>> Odd. The link is fine, as you proved by copy-and-paste. Sounds like
    > >>>>>> your
    > >>>>>> news reader messed up the link ...
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>> Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 6.1; Trident/4.0;
    > >>>>>>> SLCC2;
    > >>>>>>> .NET
    > >>>>>>> CLR 2.0.50727; .NET CLR 3.5.30729; .NET CLR 3.0.30729; Media Center
    > >>>>>>> PC
    > >>>>>>> 6.0;
    > >>>>>>> Media Center PC 5.0; MS-RTC LM 8; SLCC1; Creative AutoUpdate
    > >>>>>>> v1.40.01)
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>> As Rob has pointed out, and I'd already assumed would be the case,
    > >>>>>> Creative
    > >>>>>> AutoUpdate is causing this. If you don't want to remove the software,
    > >>>>>> use
    > >>>>>> the UAPick software to change the string to
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>> Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 6.1; Trident/4.0;
    > >>>>>> SLCC2;
    > >>>>>> .NET
    > >>>>>> CLR 2.0.50727; .NET CLR 3.5.30729; .NET CLR 3.0.30729; Media Center
    > >>>>>> PC
    > >>>>>> 6.0;
    > >>>>>> Media Center PC 5.0; MS-RTC LM 8; SLCC1;)
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>> You could also maybe make it a little shorter, long UA strings can
    > >>>>>> cause
    > >>>>>> problems with some sites. Just make sure you retain the closing
    > >>>>>> parentheses,
    > >>>>>> and that you keep a single semi-colon between each entry inside the
    > >>>>>> parentheses. Also make sure you keep it to at least the following:
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>> Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 6.1; Trident/4.0;)
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>> as this identifies the browser as IE8, your version of Windows as
    > >>>>>> Windows
    > >>>>>> 7
    > >>>>>> (it's actually version 6.1!), and that it uses the Trident 4 layout
    > >>>>>> engine
    > >>>>>> and is used to identify IE8 in IE7 Compatibility Mode.
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>> Dan
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>> "Dan" wrote:
    > >>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>> He was implying you should install this:
    > >>>>>>>> http://www.ieaddons.com/en/details/other/UAPick_UserAgent_Switcher/
    > >>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>> However, I'd suggest not doing that right away. Go to
    > >>>>>>>> http://whatsmyuseragent.com/ and copy and paste the red string you
    > >>>>>>>> see
    > >>>>>>>> near
    > >>>>>>>> the top of that page into a reply here. That way we can see what IE
    > >>>>>>>> is
    > >>>>>>>> using
    > >>>>>>>> for it's user agent string - this is how sites identify what the
    > >>>>>>>> browser
    > >>>>>>>> is
    > >>>>>>>> and what options are enabled.
    > >>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>> As Robert stated in his reply, there's likely something in the user
    > >>>>>>>> agent
    > >>>>>>>> that the Walmart site thinks means it's a mobile browser. For
    > >>>>>>>> instance,
    > >>>>>>>> on
    > >>>>>>>> Feb 7 someone else posted about their IE8 being treated as a mobile
    > >>>>>>>> browser,
    > >>>>>>>> and it was noted that he had Creative AutoUpdate listed in his user
    > >>>>>>>> agent
    > >>>>>>>> string and the letters "pda" were being interpreted by the site as
    > >>>>>>>> meaning
    > >>>>>>>> it was a pda device so was displaying the mobile version of the
    > >>>>>>>> site.
    > >>>>>>>> It's
    > >>>>>>>> sloppy coding on the part of the site, but to work around it you
    > >>>>>>>> will
    > >>>>>>>> need
    > >>>>>>>> to remove the identifying string from your user agent but also make
    > >>>>>>>> sure
    > >>>>>>>> it's valid, so if you post your current user agent string in a
    > >>>>>>>> reply
    > >>>>>>>> here
    > >>>>>>>> we
    > >>>>>>>> can tell you what to change it to using the UAPick tool from the
    > >>>>>>>> link
    > >>>>>>>> above.
    > >>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>> Dan
    > >>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>> "denmarfl" <denmarfl@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    > >>>>>>>> news:D898FAFF-6DAF-4179-B127-3B25C2AAD040@microsoft.com...
    > >>>>>>>>> Thanks....but I don't understand what you are advsing me to do.
    > >>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>> "Robert Aldwinckle" wrote:
    > >>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>> "denmarfl" <denmarfl@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    > >>>>>>>>>> news:9BCAB0EB-B0EE-444C-9359-44E33AD3D9D2@microsoft.com...
    > >>>>>>>>>>> W7 Home prem 32bit; IE8
    > >>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>> Today when I tried to go to www.walmart.com.....the site that
    > >>>>>>>>>>> opened
    > >>>>>>>>>>> was
    > >>>>>>>>>>> www.mobile.walmart.com. I have www.walmart.com added in my
    > >>>>>>>>>>> Compatibility
    > >>>>>>>>>>> View settings....because a month ago when going to the WalMart
    > >>>>>>>>>>> site
    > >>>>>>>>>>> I
    > >>>>>>>>>>> would
    > >>>>>>>>>>> get a Download Window and the fix was to open another Walmart
    > >>>>>>>>>>> site
    > >>>>>>>>>>> (ie
    > >>>>>>>>>>> a
    > >>>>>>>>>>> dept) and than ADD that site to the Compatibilty View setting.
    > >>>>>>>>>>> Afgter
    > >>>>>>>>>>> I
    > >>>>>>>>>>> did
    > >>>>>>>>>>> that I was going directly to the Wal-mart Home.....but now I
    > >>>>>>>>>>> am
    > >>>>>>>>>>> going
    > >>>>>>>>>>> to
    > >>>>>>>>>>> the
    > >>>>>>>>>>> mobile.walmart.com site.
    > >>>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>> Suggestions?
    > >>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>>>> You have something in your User-Agent string which can be
    > >>>>>>>>>> misinterpreted
    > >>>>>>>>>> by sloppy parsing. Try using the UAPick add-on to simplify
    > >>>>>>>>>> your
    > >>>>>>>>>> UA
    > >>>>>>>>>> string
    > >>>>>>>>>> for that site.

    >
    > .
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