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WinXP Activation "votes"

Discussion in 'Windows XP' started by Percival P. Cassidy, Mar 1, 2010.

  1. Percival P. Cassidy

    Percival P. Cassidy Flightless Bird

    I see that among the items that WPA checks are both "Volume Serial
    Number" and "hard drive device." I know what the former is -- a number
    that is generated when the drive is formatted and that presumably would
    be saved and restored by a program such as True Image.

    But what is "hard drive device"? The serial no. of the drive (set by the
    manufacturer)? The size of the drive? The size of the partition? The
    starting and ending cylinder numbers of the partition?

    IOW, if I used Partition Magic or a similar program, would resizing or
    moving the installation partition result in the loss of that "vote"?
    What about cloning to a new drive of the same size and by the same
    manufacturer?

    Perce
     
  2. paul_36

    paul_36 Flightless Bird

    On 2010-03-01, Percival P. Cassidy <Nobody@NotMyISP.net> wrote:
    > I see that among the items that WPA checks are both "Volume Serial
    > Number" and "hard drive device." I know what the former is -- a number
    > that is generated when the drive is formatted and that presumably would
    > be saved and restored by a program such as True Image.
    >
    > But what is "hard drive device"? The serial no. of the drive (set by the
    > manufacturer)? The size of the drive? The size of the partition? The
    > starting and ending cylinder numbers of the partition?
    >
    > IOW, if I used Partition Magic or a similar program, would resizing or
    > moving the installation partition result in the loss of that "vote"?
    > What about cloning to a new drive of the same size and by the same
    > manufacturer?
    >
    > Perce


    The whole process was "documented" on this newsgroup several years ago.
    The biggest vote getter was the network card & there were comments that
    one can "bypass" any re-activation by using up a slot & bypass the
    activation by leaving the "original xp install" nic intack.

    My experience was that just moving the nic to another slot & not doing
    anything else would trigger the activation. My current mb has a
    built-in nic which I've "deactivated" when I had messed-up the contacts
    when moving the router elsewhere (too short a cable); added a new
    nic & no deactivation.

    I've changed graphics cards, harddrives, add a 2nd harddrive &
    resized partitions with no reactivation needed. However, things may
    have changed if you did any winxp updates since sp3 as microsoft
    wants control of your machine, just like apple.
     
  3. Terry R.

    Terry R. Flightless Bird

    On 3/1/2010 1:05 PM On a whim, Percival P. Cassidy pounded out on the
    keyboard

    > I see that among the items that WPA checks are both "Volume Serial
    > Number" and "hard drive device." I know what the former is -- a number
    > that is generated when the drive is formatted and that presumably would
    > be saved and restored by a program such as True Image.
    >
    > But what is "hard drive device"? The serial no. of the drive (set by the
    > manufacturer)? The size of the drive? The size of the partition? The
    > starting and ending cylinder numbers of the partition?
    >
    > IOW, if I used Partition Magic or a similar program, would resizing or
    > moving the installation partition result in the loss of that "vote"?
    > What about cloning to a new drive of the same size and by the same
    > manufacturer?
    >
    > Perce


    Hi Perce,

    I have copied OS partition backups from one drive to another and never
    had any issues. I have also resized them.


    Terry R.
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  4. Bernd

    Bernd Flightless Bird

    -------- Original-Nachricht --------

    > I see that among the items that WPA checks are both "Volume Serial
    > Number" and "hard drive device." I know what the former is -- a number
    > that is generated when the drive is formatted and that presumably would
    > be saved and restored by a program such as True Image.
    >
    > But what is "hard drive device"? The serial no. of the drive (set by the
    > manufacturer)? The size of the drive? The size of the partition? The
    > starting and ending cylinder numbers of the partition?
    >
    > IOW, if I used Partition Magic or a similar program, would resizing or
    > moving the installation partition result in the loss of that "vote"?
    > What about cloning to a new drive of the same size and by the same
    > manufacturer?
    >
    > Perce


    Maybe this is of help ?

    http://www.aumha.org/win5/a/wpa.php

    Bernd
     
  5. Percival P. Cassidy

    Percival P. Cassidy Flightless Bird

    On 03/01/10 05:52 pm, Bernd wrote:

    >> I see that among the items that WPA checks are both "Volume Serial
    >> Number" and "hard drive device." I know what the former is -- a number
    >> that is generated when the drive is formatted and that presumably
    >> would be saved and restored by a program such as True Image.
    >>
    >> But what is "hard drive device"? The serial no. of the drive (set by
    >> the manufacturer)? The size of the drive? The size of the partition?
    >> The starting and ending cylinder numbers of the partition?
    >>
    >> IOW, if I used Partition Magic or a similar program, would resizing or
    >> moving the installation partition result in the loss of that "vote"?
    >> What about cloning to a new drive of the same size and by the same
    >> manufacturer?


    > Maybe this is of help ?
    >
    > http://www.aumha.org/win5/a/wpa.php


    That's where I got my list -- but I am looking for an explanation of the
    term "hard drive device."

    I realize that losing that one "vote" would not require reactivation of
    Windows -- but what specific "hard drive device" change would reduce the
    number of votes?

    Perce
     
  6. Paul

    Paul Flightless Bird

    Percival P. Cassidy wrote:
    > On 03/01/10 05:52 pm, Bernd wrote:
    >
    >>> I see that among the items that WPA checks are both "Volume Serial
    >>> Number" and "hard drive device." I know what the former is -- a number
    >>> that is generated when the drive is formatted and that presumably
    >>> would be saved and restored by a program such as True Image.
    >>>
    >>> But what is "hard drive device"? The serial no. of the drive (set by
    >>> the manufacturer)? The size of the drive? The size of the partition?
    >>> The starting and ending cylinder numbers of the partition?
    >>>
    >>> IOW, if I used Partition Magic or a similar program, would resizing or
    >>> moving the installation partition result in the loss of that "vote"?
    >>> What about cloning to a new drive of the same size and by the same
    >>> manufacturer?

    >
    >> Maybe this is of help ?
    >>
    >> http://www.aumha.org/win5/a/wpa.php

    >
    > That's where I got my list -- but I am looking for an explanation of the
    > term "hard drive device."
    >
    > I realize that losing that one "vote" would not require reactivation of
    > Windows -- but what specific "hard drive device" change would reduce the
    > number of votes?
    >
    > Perce


    It makes sense, that "hard drive device" equals model_number and serial_number
    of the hard drive itself. Fudging the VolumeID, using the VolumeID program
    from Sysinternals, solves half the problem, but you can't get around the
    model_number and serial_number. If you use a different hard drive for C:,
    that will count as a vote.

    http://technet.microsoft.com/en-ca/sysinternals/bb897436.aspx

    When you boot a cloned C: drive for the very first time, don't forget
    to disconnect the original disk while doing so. After the first boot
    of the cloned C: drive is complete, you can reconnect the original
    disk.

    I changed motherboards about two weeks ago, and had to reactivate. But
    fortunately, didn't have to phone anyone. The online reactivation worked.
    I've done changes up to this point, without having tripped the
    activation thing. So it hasn't been a dis-incentive to making changes
    to my system. I expected trouble when changing motherboards, so
    having to reactivate was not a surprise.

    Paul
     

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