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Windows "family" upgrade

Discussion in 'Windows 7' started by ng_reader, May 12, 2010.

  1. ng_reader

    ng_reader Flightless Bird

    If my heads been in the sand, forgive me, but visiting the MS website
    the retail should be 149, but, Amazon has it for twice that, and, well

    I know the Office Student version I purchased at Staples allowed
    installation on 3 machines. But, where is that Win7 that allows 3
    machines to be "upgraded"?

    And, while we're on it, if I want to upgrade my hard disk to say
    something over at terabyte, does Windows 7 have a utility that will
    allow me to clone my disk to a new, *larger* disk?

    Used to be a product called "ghost" that was purchased by Symantec, but,
    I generally stay away from anything Symantec.

    TIA

    mr curious
     
  2. Augustus

    Augustus Flightless Bird

    "ng_reader" <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:hseh2k$h36$1@news.eternal-september.org...
    > If my heads been in the sand, forgive me, but visiting the MS website the
    > retail should be 149, but, Amazon has it for twice that, and, well


    Market scarcity and desirabilty determine cost. MS discontined this 3 pack
    retail upgrade months ago. It was described from the start as a limited time
    offer. Lots of people bought them with the view of turning a tidy profit
    down the road. The going rate from completed auctions on eBay is in the
    $250-300 range. Which is still a whole lot less than buying 3 retail
    upgrades.
     
  3. Char Jackson

    Char Jackson Flightless Bird

    On Wed, 12 May 2010 11:22:19 -0400, ng_reader <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    >If my heads been in the sand, forgive me, but visiting the MS website
    >the retail should be 149, but, Amazon has it for twice that, and, well


    Why are people still buying the Retail version? Hasn't everyone gotten
    the word by now that the Upgrade version works just as well but comes
    at a significantly lower cost?

    >I know the Office Student version I purchased at Staples allowed
    >installation on 3 machines. But, where is that Win7 that allows 3
    >machines to be "upgraded"?
    >
    >And, while we're on it, if I want to upgrade my hard disk to say
    >something over at terabyte, does Windows 7 have a utility that will
    >allow me to clone my disk to a new, *larger* disk?


    I don't know about internal utilities. I use Acronis True Image and
    love it.

    >Used to be a product called "ghost" that was purchased by Symantec, but,
    >I generally stay away from anything Symantec.


    Good advice to stay away from Symantec, but Ghost would be an
    exception, IMO.
     
  4. ng_reader

    ng_reader Flightless Bird

    On 5/12/2010 12:37 PM, Augustus wrote:
    > "ng_reader"<wilgrow_co@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:hseh2k$h36$1@news.eternal-september.org...
    >> If my heads been in the sand, forgive me, but visiting the MS website the
    >> retail should be 149, but, Amazon has it for twice that, and, well

    >
    > Market scarcity and desirabilty determine cost. MS discontined this 3 pack
    > retail upgrade months ago. It was described from the start as a limited time
    > offer. Lots of people bought them with the view of turning a tidy profit
    > down the road. The going rate from completed auctions on eBay is in the
    > $250-300 range. Which is still a whole lot less than buying 3 retail
    > upgrades.
    >
    >


    Wow.

    I hope word of Hazar's "removewat" either version 2.2 or later doesn't
    become too public.
     
  5. Dominique

    Dominique Flightless Bird

    Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> écrivait
    news:3imlu5thb4fcsuj9qhj1q76ib2jv511g3f@4ax.com:

    > On Wed, 12 May 2010 11:22:19 -0400, ng_reader <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com>
    > wrote:
    >


    <snip>

    >>
    >>And, while we're on it, if I want to upgrade my hard disk to say
    >>something over at terabyte, does Windows 7 have a utility that will
    >>allow me to clone my disk to a new, *larger* disk?

    >
    > I don't know about internal utilities. I use Acronis True Image and
    > love it.
    >
    >>Used to be a product called "ghost" that was purchased by Symantec, but,
    >>I generally stay away from anything Symantec.

    >
    > Good advice to stay away from Symantec, but Ghost would be an
    > exception, IMO.
    >
    >


    Windows7 has an utility that allows to create disk images, so you create
    the image, save it to an external HD, replace the internal HD, boot with
    the CD you create at the same time than the image and restore the image on
    the new HD.

    Hard disk manufacturers have utilities available for free to clone HD. The
    Western Digital program is a limited version of Acronis True Image, you
    must have a WD hard disk to install it and it only allows to clone HDs or
    create images, you cannot do incremental backups with it like you can with
    the full version.

    I am a Ghost user too and it's a good program (I use it with Windows XP),
    it doesn't eat ressources like other Symantec programs might do but it's
    more expensive than Acronis True Image and the free Western Digital version
    of True Image is fine too if you don't need incremental backups. But as far
    as images and backups are concerned, the Win7 utility does the job.

    HTH
     
  6. Robert Brereton

    Robert Brereton Flightless Bird

    "Dominique" <me@domain.net> wrote in message
    news:XnF9D76878138851doumdomainnet@69.16.185.252...
    > Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> écrivait
    > news:3imlu5thb4fcsuj9qhj1q76ib2jv511g3f@4ax.com:
    >
    >> On Wed, 12 May 2010 11:22:19 -0400, ng_reader <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com>
    >> wrote:
    >>

    >
    > <snip>
    >
    >>>
    >>>And, while we're on it, if I want to upgrade my hard disk to say
    >>>something over at terabyte, does Windows 7 have a utility that will
    >>>allow me to clone my disk to a new, *larger* disk?

    >>
    >> I don't know about internal utilities. I use Acronis True Image and
    >> love it.
    >>
    >>>Used to be a product called "ghost" that was purchased by Symantec, but,
    >>>I generally stay away from anything Symantec.

    >>
    >> Good advice to stay away from Symantec, but Ghost would be an
    >> exception, IMO.
    >>
    >>

    >
    > Windows7 has an utility that allows to create disk images, so you create
    > the image, save it to an external HD, replace the internal HD, boot with
    > the CD you create at the same time than the image and restore the image on
    > the new HD.
    >
    > Hard disk manufacturers have utilities available for free to clone HD. The
    > Western Digital program is a limited version of Acronis True Image, you
    > must have a WD hard disk to install it and it only allows to clone HDs or
    > create images, you cannot do incremental backups with it like you can with
    > the full version.
    >
    > I am a Ghost user too and it's a good program (I use it with Windows XP),
    > it doesn't eat ressources like other Symantec programs might do but it's
    > more expensive than Acronis True Image and the free Western Digital
    > version
    > of True Image is fine too if you don't need incremental backups. But as
    > far
    > as images and backups are concerned, the Win7 utility does the job.
    >
    > HTH


    Using Ghost 15 here and it works fine on windows 7. Ghost 14 works as well
    but is a bit 'fiddly' to install as initially it gives error messages during
    the install, but if you click through them, the program installs and then
    you can do a Live Update to get it running correctly.

    Bob
     
  7. SC Tom

    SC Tom Flightless Bird

    *** reply in-line

    "Dominique" <me@domain.net> wrote in message
    news:XnF9D76878138851doumdomainnet@69.16.185.252...
    > Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> écrivait
    > news:3imlu5thb4fcsuj9qhj1q76ib2jv511g3f@4ax.com:
    >
    >> On Wed, 12 May 2010 11:22:19 -0400, ng_reader <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com>
    >> wrote:
    >>

    >
    > <snip>
    >
    >>>
    >>>And, while we're on it, if I want to upgrade my hard disk to say
    >>>something over at terabyte, does Windows 7 have a utility that will
    >>>allow me to clone my disk to a new, *larger* disk?

    >>
    >> I don't know about internal utilities. I use Acronis True Image and
    >> love it.
    >>
    >>>Used to be a product called "ghost" that was purchased by Symantec, but,
    >>>I generally stay away from anything Symantec.

    >>
    >> Good advice to stay away from Symantec, but Ghost would be an
    >> exception, IMO.
    >>
    >>

    >
    > Windows7 has an utility that allows to create disk images, so you create
    > the image, save it to an external HD, replace the internal HD, boot with
    > the CD you create at the same time than the image and restore the image on
    > the new HD.
    >
    > Hard disk manufacturers have utilities available for free to clone HD. The
    > Western Digital program is a limited version of Acronis True Image, you
    > must have a WD hard disk to install it and it only allows to clone HDs or
    > create images, you cannot do incremental backups with it like you can with
    > the full version.


    *** Seagate/Maxtor also offers a free version as WD with the same
    limitations. It's available here
    http://www.seagate.com/ww/v/index.j...toid=d9fd4a3cdde5c010VgnVCM100000dd04090aRCRD

    It's called DiscWizard, but it's the basic True Image with no incremental
    backup feature.
    Personally, I find the full image creation to be plenty fast enough. By
    creating and booting from the CD, I can make a full image of my HDD in about
    an hour with it having 60GB used. I can start it in the morning when I get
    up, and by the time I have breakfast, read the paper, and take a shower,
    it's done.

    Also, you don't necessarily need a WD or Seagate/Maxtor drive installed
    internally. If you back up to an external drive, you can have a WD if using
    the WD version, or a Seagate/Maxtor when using theirs. I use a WD My Book to
    write my images to, and my internal drive in my notebook is a Hitachi. Works
    just fine. There's a short pause while it looks for a "qualifying hard
    drive" and then it starts the interface.

    I have restored my notebook HDD, and one of my desktop's drive with the WD
    version, and find it extrtemely painless and easy to use. I'm yet to use
    anything that is as easy and reliable as True Image.
    --
    SC Tom


    >
    > I am a Ghost user too and it's a good program (I use it with Windows XP),
    > it doesn't eat ressources like other Symantec programs might do but it's
    > more expensive than Acronis True Image and the free Western Digital
    > version
    > of True Image is fine too if you don't need incremental backups. But as
    > far
    > as images and backups are concerned, the Win7 utility does the job.
    >
    > HTH
     
  8. Augustus

    Augustus Flightless Bird

    > Why are people still buying the Retail version? Hasn't everyone gotten
    > the word by now that the Upgrade version works just as well but comes
    > at a significantly lower cost?


    He is referring to the retail upgrade version. That's the only family pack
    there ever was. The $250+ asking price on Amazon he's referring to is for 3
    licenses of the retail upgrade for Win 7 Home Premium. I was available on
    sale 4 months back for $119.99. Gone now.
     
  9. Augustus

    Augustus Flightless Bird

    Oops..

    "It was available on sale for $119.99 4 months back...."
     
  10. ng_reader

    ng_reader Flightless Bird

    On 5/12/2010 6:18 PM, Augustus wrote:
    > Oops..
    >
    > "It was available on sale for $119.99 4 months back...."



    Right. I understood that.

    But MS might squeeze some more money out of the honey pot if they kept that?

    Instead hackers will provide alternatives for the price of nothing.

    I don't recall a decent hack like removewat since the days before there
    was no such thing as on line activation....

    Just sayin'
     
  11. Gene E. Bloch

    Gene E. Bloch Flightless Bird

    On Wed, 12 May 2010 22:18:10 GMT, Augustus wrote:

    > Oops..
    >
    > "It was available on sale for $119.99 4 months back...."


    I liked it better before you fixed the typo - or at least I would have if
    you were Augusta :)

    --
    Gene E. Bloch
     
  12. Augustus

    Augustus Flightless Bird


    > I don't recall a decent hack like removewat since the days before there
    > was no such thing as on line activation....
    >
    > Just sayin'


    A vast number of the bootleg copies of XP circulating were activation free
    and circulated with illegally distributed Enterprise licensing keys. It's
    the same issue with Office 2007 pirating. Windows 7 Enterprise is
    different....there's two deployment methods (for smaller scale and larger
    scale basically)but both require activation. Online with a purchased number
    of Multiple Activation Keys from your MS Volume Licensing account, or
    installing Windows 7 Enterprise on a larger scale network and using a KMS
    server on a specific channel. Office 2010 Enterprise uses the same system,
    or will when it's gold. Bootleg versions will no doubt be around, but not
    flawlessly working ones direct from MS Volume Licensing. FWIW Vista
    Enterprise was like this too, but I don't know of too many places that
    actually deployed it.
     
  13. ng_reader

    ng_reader Flightless Bird

    On 5/12/2010 10:30 PM, Augustus wrote:
    >
    >> I don't recall a decent hack like removewat since the days before there
    >> was no such thing as on line activation....
    >>
    >> Just sayin'

    >
    > A vast number of the bootleg copies of XP circulating were activation
    > free and circulated with illegally distributed Enterprise licensing
    > keys. It's the same issue with Office 2007 pirating. Windows 7
    > Enterprise is different....there's two deployment methods (for smaller
    > scale and larger scale basically)but both require activation. Online
    > with a purchased number of Multiple Activation Keys from your MS Volume
    > Licensing account, or installing Windows 7 Enterprise on a larger scale
    > network and using a KMS server on a specific channel. Office 2010
    > Enterprise uses the same system, or will when it's gold. Bootleg
    > versions will no doubt be around, but not flawlessly working ones direct
    > from MS Volume Licensing. FWIW Vista Enterprise was like this too, but I
    > don't know of too many places that actually deployed it.



    From what I read the "Windows Activation" that is removed using
    "removewat" consists of a single *.dll file that has been reverse
    engineered.

    That's it, only one file. Fix that and you're home. Currently, the
    office 2010 beta I am running appears to have a similar process.
    However, that may change in June when Office 2010 is "officially" released.

    Here's what I like about Office:

    A word processor. But, I'd prefer a word processor and not the bloated
    ap that Word has become...

    And Outlook. Because it can sync contact with my cell phone. Or so I'm
    told. See, even that I haven't tried.

    Still, no one has prolly had more software "stolen" than MS, so, I can
    *see* their position.
     
  14. John B. Slocomb

    John B. Slocomb Flightless Bird

    On Fri, 14 May 2010 11:07:17 -0400, ng_reader <wilgrow_co@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    >On 5/12/2010 10:30 PM, Augustus wrote:
    >>
    >>> I don't recall a decent hack like removewat since the days before there
    >>> was no such thing as on line activation....
    >>>
    >>> Just sayin'

    >>
    >> A vast number of the bootleg copies of XP circulating were activation
    >> free and circulated with illegally distributed Enterprise licensing
    >> keys. It's the same issue with Office 2007 pirating. Windows 7
    >> Enterprise is different....there's two deployment methods (for smaller
    >> scale and larger scale basically)but both require activation. Online
    >> with a purchased number of Multiple Activation Keys from your MS Volume
    >> Licensing account, or installing Windows 7 Enterprise on a larger scale
    >> network and using a KMS server on a specific channel. Office 2010
    >> Enterprise uses the same system, or will when it's gold. Bootleg
    >> versions will no doubt be around, but not flawlessly working ones direct
    >> from MS Volume Licensing. FWIW Vista Enterprise was like this too, but I
    >> don't know of too many places that actually deployed it.

    >
    >
    > From what I read the "Windows Activation" that is removed using
    >"removewat" consists of a single *.dll file that has been reverse
    >engineered.
    >
    >That's it, only one file. Fix that and you're home. Currently, the
    >office 2010 beta I am running appears to have a similar process.
    >However, that may change in June when Office 2010 is "officially" released.
    >
    >Here's what I like about Office:
    >
    >A word processor. But, I'd prefer a word processor and not the bloated
    >ap that Word has become...
    >
    >And Outlook. Because it can sync contact with my cell phone. Or so I'm
    >told. See, even that I haven't tried.
    >
    >Still, no one has prolly had more software "stolen" than MS, so, I can
    >*see* their position.



    Hardly rare. I saw pirate copies of Win 7 beta before the final
    version was released for market and within days of MS releasing W-7
    there were pirate copies of it in the shops.

    John B. Slocomb
    (johnbslocombatgmaildotcom)
     

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