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Windows Automatic Updates

Discussion in 'Windows XP' started by JD, Jan 13, 2010.

  1. JD

    JD Flightless Bird

    Heretofore I have received notices when updates were available for Windows
    and Defender. I am now being offered updates for Office 2003. Is there a
    way that I can "revert" to only Windows security updates?
     
  2. Smirnoff

    Smirnoff Flightless Bird

    "JD" <erehwon@example.com> wrote in message
    news:#S2KcvOlKHA.2188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
    > Heretofore I have received notices when updates were available for Windows
    > and Defender. I am now being offered updates for Office 2003. Is there a
    > way that I can "revert" to only Windows security updates?
    >


    You may have enabled MS Updates. Is there a shortcut to it when you click on
    Start?
    Or see:

    http://www.update.microsoft.com/microsoftupdate/v6/default.aspx?ln=en-us

    You can click "Change Settings" in left hand column. Bottom of page allows
    you to revert to Windows Update only. Don't forget to Apply changes.
     
  3. Smirnoff

    Smirnoff Flightless Bird

    "Smirnoff" <someone@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
    news:-OoNMXPPlKHA.2780@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
    >
    > "JD" <erehwon@example.com> wrote in message
    > news:#S2KcvOlKHA.2188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
    >> Heretofore I have received notices when updates were available for
    >> Windows and Defender. I am now being offered updates for Office 2003. Is
    >> there a way that I can "revert" to only Windows security updates?
    >>

    >
    > You may have enabled MS Updates. Is there a shortcut to it when you click
    > on Start?
    > Or see:
    >
    > http://www.update.microsoft.com/microsoftupdate/v6/default.aspx?ln=en-us
    >
    > You can click "Change Settings" in left hand column. Bottom of page allows
    > you to revert to Windows Update only. Don't forget to Apply changes.


    Out of interest, why do you not want to be informed of/install security
    updates for Office products?
     
  4. JD

    JD Flightless Bird

    There is no sortcut to MS Updates. I did change the settings as you
    suggested. I received this message:
    To keep your computer up to date, make sure you have turned on Automatic
    Updates in Control Panel. You can also visit the Windows Update website at
    any time. If you change your mind and want to use the Microsoft Update
    website later, you will need to re-install the software.
    I hope that I will still get the daily updates for MSE
    Thanks.

    "Smirnoff" <someone@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
    news:-OoNMXPPlKHA.2780@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
    >
    > "JD" <erehwon@example.com> wrote in message
    > news:#S2KcvOlKHA.2188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
    >> Heretofore I have received notices when updates were available for
    >> Windows and Defender. I am now being offered updates for Office 2003. Is
    >> there a way that I can "revert" to only Windows security updates?
    >>

    >
    > You may have enabled MS Updates. Is there a shortcut to it when you click
    > on Start?
    > Or see:
    >
    > http://www.update.microsoft.com/microsoftupdate/v6/default.aspx?ln=en-us
    >
    > You can click "Change Settings" in left hand column. Bottom of page allows
    > you to revert to Windows Update only. Don't forget to Apply changes.
     
  5. JD

    JD Flightless Bird

    On several occasions I have installed Word 2003 Service Pack 3 and each time
    I had a problem with Word. The scroll function got ahead of the text, which
    became garbled. Uninstalling Word, reinstalling it, and applying only SP2
    avoided the problem. I don't want to install SP3 again. That's why I don't
    want it to appear in the Update list.
    "Smirnoff" <someone@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
    news:eLXOFjPlKHA.6096@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
    >
    > "Smirnoff" <someone@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
    > news:-OoNMXPPlKHA.2780@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
    >>
    >> "JD" <erehwon@example.com> wrote in message
    >> news:#S2KcvOlKHA.2188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
    >>> Heretofore I have received notices when updates were available for
    >>> Windows and Defender. I am now being offered updates for Office 2003.
    >>> Is there a way that I can "revert" to only Windows security updates?
    >>>

    >>
    >> You may have enabled MS Updates. Is there a shortcut to it when you click
    >> on Start?
    >> Or see:
    >>
    >> http://www.update.microsoft.com/microsoftupdate/v6/default.aspx?ln=en-us
    >>
    >> You can click "Change Settings" in left hand column. Bottom of page
    >> allows you to revert to Windows Update only. Don't forget to Apply
    >> changes.

    >
    > Out of interest, why do you not want to be informed of/install security
    > updates for Office products?
     
  6. Gord Dibben

    Gord Dibben Flightless Bird

    Select Notify me when updates are ready to install.

    When you get notified, select Custom Install.

    If you see the Office 2003 SP3 update de-select it and "don't offer this one
    again" or whatever the message is.


    Gord

    On Thu, 14 Jan 2010 14:01:55 -0800, "JD" <erehwon@example.com> wrote:

    >On several occasions I have installed Word 2003 Service Pack 3 and each time
    >I had a problem with Word. The scroll function got ahead of the text, which
    >became garbled. Uninstalling Word, reinstalling it, and applying only SP2
    >avoided the problem. I don't want to install SP3 again. That's why I don't
    >want it to appear in the Update list.
    >"Smirnoff" <someone@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
    >news:eLXOFjPlKHA.6096@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
    >>
    >> "Smirnoff" <someone@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
    >> news:-OoNMXPPlKHA.2780@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
    >>>
    >>> "JD" <erehwon@example.com> wrote in message
    >>> news:#S2KcvOlKHA.2188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
    >>>> Heretofore I have received notices when updates were available for
    >>>> Windows and Defender. I am now being offered updates for Office 2003.
    >>>> Is there a way that I can "revert" to only Windows security updates?
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>> You may have enabled MS Updates. Is there a shortcut to it when you click
    >>> on Start?
    >>> Or see:
    >>>
    >>> http://www.update.microsoft.com/microsoftupdate/v6/default.aspx?ln=en-us
    >>>
    >>> You can click "Change Settings" in left hand column. Bottom of page
    >>> allows you to revert to Windows Update only. Don't forget to Apply
    >>> changes.

    >>
    >> Out of interest, why do you not want to be informed of/install security
    >> updates for Office products?

    >
     
  7. PA Bear [MS MVP]

    PA Bear [MS MVP] Flightless Bird

    HTML:
    1.  
    2.  
    3. Go to http://update.microsoft.com/microsoftupdate | Click on Change Settings in left pane | Scroll to bottom of page | To Stop Using Microsoft Update | Disable Microsoft Update software and let me use Windows Update only (check).
    4.  
    5. NB: Office Update website was retired on 01 Aug-09 (cf.  http://blogs.technet.com/office_sustained_engineering/archive/2009/05/20/office-2000-and-office-update-site-to-retire.aspx).  If you revert to Windows Update as your default update source, you will not be able to update Office or Windows Live autotmatically or via Windows Update website.
    6.  
    7. <QP>
    8. What are the differences between Windows Updates, Automatic Updates, and Microsoft Updates?
    9.  
    10. While Windows Update provides you with updates specifically for Windows, Microsoft Update expands the service to download and install updates for other Microsoft software, such as Microsoft Office and Windows Live. Automatic updating is a feature that allows you to set your PC to automatically download and install updates using either service, making it easy and convenient for you to keep your Windows PC current.
    11. </QP>
    12. Source: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/downloads/windowsupdate/FAQ.mspx
    13. --
    14. ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
    15. MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002
    16. www.banthecheck.com
    17.  
    18.  
    19. JD wrote:[color=blue]
    20. > Heretofore I have received notices when updates were available for Windows
    21. > and  Defender. I am now being offered updates for Office 2003. Is there a
    22. > way that I can "revert" to only Windows security updates?[/color]
     
  8. Smirnoff

    Smirnoff Flightless Bird

    As Gord Dibben points out, if you use MS Updates, you can still select which
    updates you want to install if you have the "Notify" setting.

    PA bear's post explains that WLM updates are not offered in Windows Update.

    However, I think you should address the problem you are having with
    Office/Word SP3.

    I'm not too sure what you mean by "The scroll function got ahead of the
    text, which became garbled" but there is obviously a problem.

    Perhaps if you try an NG such as microsoft.public.officeupdates you may find
    the solution. Or, search for problems with Word after installing SP3.

    I'm sure the posters in this group will advise on the best NG to resolve
    this.

    It seems to me that you are causing yourself more hassle by avoiding the
    main issue.

    "JD" <erehwon@example.com> wrote in message
    news:-OOL5qUWlKHA.5040@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
    > On several occasions I have installed Word 2003 Service Pack 3 and each
    > time I had a problem with Word. The scroll function got ahead of the text,
    > which became garbled. Uninstalling Word, reinstalling it, and applying
    > only SP2 avoided the problem. I don't want to install SP3 again. That's
    > why I don't want it to appear in the Update list.
    > "Smirnoff" <someone@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
    > news:eLXOFjPlKHA.6096@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
    >>
    >> "Smirnoff" <someone@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
    >> news:-OoNMXPPlKHA.2780@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
    >>>
    >>> "JD" <erehwon@example.com> wrote in message
    >>> news:#S2KcvOlKHA.2188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
    >>>> Heretofore I have received notices when updates were available for
    >>>> Windows and Defender. I am now being offered updates for Office 2003.
    >>>> Is there a way that I can "revert" to only Windows security updates?
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>> You may have enabled MS Updates. Is there a shortcut to it when you
    >>> click on Start?
    >>> Or see:
    >>>
    >>> http://www.update.microsoft.com/microsoftupdate/v6/default.aspx?ln=en-us
    >>>
    >>> You can click "Change Settings" in left hand column. Bottom of page
    >>> allows you to revert to Windows Update only. Don't forget to Apply
    >>> changes.

    >>
    >> Out of interest, why do you not want to be informed of/install security
    >> updates for Office products?

    >
    >
     
  9. JD

    JD Flightless Bird

    Your advice is well taken. I have, in fact, gotten a number of suggestions
    from the Word newsgroup. Nothing seems to correct the problem other than
    avoiding SP3. Perhaps I'll try again.
    What I meant was that when I scroll rapidly through a long document, the
    text becomes garbled, with two or three lines atop each other, the cursor
    out in the far right of the page. When I change the view, the text corrects
    itself. This does not happen when I run Word without Service Pack 3.
    Strange.
    "Smirnoff" <someone@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
    news:uJiRB5ZlKHA.3476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
    > As Gord Dibben points out, if you use MS Updates, you can still select
    > which updates you want to install if you have the "Notify" setting.
    >
    > PA bear's post explains that WLM updates are not offered in Windows
    > Update.
    >
    > However, I think you should address the problem you are having with
    > Office/Word SP3.
    >
    > I'm not too sure what you mean by "The scroll function got ahead of the
    > text, which became garbled" but there is obviously a problem.
    >
    > Perhaps if you try an NG such as microsoft.public.officeupdates you may
    > find the solution. Or, search for problems with Word after installing SP3.
    >
    > I'm sure the posters in this group will advise on the best NG to resolve
    > this.
    >
    > It seems to me that you are causing yourself more hassle by avoiding the
    > main issue.
    >
    > "JD" <erehwon@example.com> wrote in message
    > news:-OOL5qUWlKHA.5040@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
    >> On several occasions I have installed Word 2003 Service Pack 3 and each
    >> time I had a problem with Word. The scroll function got ahead of the
    >> text, which became garbled. Uninstalling Word, reinstalling it, and
    >> applying only SP2 avoided the problem. I don't want to install SP3 again.
    >> That's why I don't want it to appear in the Update list.
    >> "Smirnoff" <someone@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
    >> news:eLXOFjPlKHA.6096@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
    >>>
    >>> "Smirnoff" <someone@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
    >>> news:-OoNMXPPlKHA.2780@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
    >>>>
    >>>> "JD" <erehwon@example.com> wrote in message
    >>>> news:#S2KcvOlKHA.2188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
    >>>>> Heretofore I have received notices when updates were available for
    >>>>> Windows and Defender. I am now being offered updates for Office 2003.
    >>>>> Is there a way that I can "revert" to only Windows security updates?
    >>>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> You may have enabled MS Updates. Is there a shortcut to it when you
    >>>> click on Start?
    >>>> Or see:
    >>>>
    >>>> http://www.update.microsoft.com/microsoftupdate/v6/default.aspx?ln=en-us
    >>>>
    >>>> You can click "Change Settings" in left hand column. Bottom of page
    >>>> allows you to revert to Windows Update only. Don't forget to Apply
    >>>> changes.
    >>>
    >>> Out of interest, why do you not want to be informed of/install security
    >>> updates for Office products?

    >>
    >>

    >
    >
    >
     
  10. Smirnoff

    Smirnoff Flightless Bird

    This may be of some help, seen at:

    http://getsatisfaction.com/microsoft/topics/scrolling_up_does_not_work_right_lines_repeat

    "The scrolling problem is solved! Finally Microsoft acknowledged that the
    problem is caused by a security update in Service Pack 3 (SP3). If you don’t
    have SP3, I discovered it also in Word Security Update KB954464.
    As of October 28, 2008 you can now ask for a hotfix that will solve the
    problem: http://support.microsoft.com/default....
    For information about hotfix installing see:
    http://blogs.msdn.com/dougste/archive...
    Microsoft will ask for your email address and send you the hotfix in a
    zip-file. I did this and immediately received the hotfix without charges.
    After unzipping it I ended up with a file called Winword."

    And:

    "I installed the hotfix and it works! No more scrolling problems and nothing
    changed in my settings."

    Remember, this hotfix is for use AFTER you have installed SP3:

    http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/957706/


    "JD" <erehwon@example.com> wrote in message
    news:uGgeUublKHA.3128@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
    > Your advice is well taken. I have, in fact, gotten a number of suggestions
    > from the Word newsgroup. Nothing seems to correct the problem other than
    > avoiding SP3. Perhaps I'll try again.
    > What I meant was that when I scroll rapidly through a long document, the
    > text becomes garbled, with two or three lines atop each other, the cursor
    > out in the far right of the page. When I change the view, the text
    > corrects itself. This does not happen when I run Word without Service Pack
    > 3. Strange.
    > "Smirnoff" <someone@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
    > news:uJiRB5ZlKHA.3476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
    >> As Gord Dibben points out, if you use MS Updates, you can still select
    >> which updates you want to install if you have the "Notify" setting.
    >>
    >> PA bear's post explains that WLM updates are not offered in Windows
    >> Update.
    >>
    >> However, I think you should address the problem you are having with
    >> Office/Word SP3.
    >>
    >> I'm not too sure what you mean by "The scroll function got ahead of the
    >> text, which became garbled" but there is obviously a problem.
    >>
    >> Perhaps if you try an NG such as microsoft.public.officeupdates you may
    >> find the solution. Or, search for problems with Word after installing
    >> SP3.
    >>
    >> I'm sure the posters in this group will advise on the best NG to resolve
    >> this.
    >>
    >> It seems to me that you are causing yourself more hassle by avoiding the
    >> main issue.
    >>
    >> "JD" <erehwon@example.com> wrote in message
    >> news:-OOL5qUWlKHA.5040@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
    >>> On several occasions I have installed Word 2003 Service Pack 3 and each
    >>> time I had a problem with Word. The scroll function got ahead of the
    >>> text, which became garbled. Uninstalling Word, reinstalling it, and
    >>> applying only SP2 avoided the problem. I don't want to install SP3
    >>> again. That's why I don't want it to appear in the Update list.
    >>> "Smirnoff" <someone@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
    >>> news:eLXOFjPlKHA.6096@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
    >>>>
    >>>> "Smirnoff" <someone@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
    >>>> news:-OoNMXPPlKHA.2780@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
    >>>>>
    >>>>> "JD" <erehwon@example.com> wrote in message
    >>>>> news:#S2KcvOlKHA.2188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
    >>>>>> Heretofore I have received notices when updates were available for
    >>>>>> Windows and Defender. I am now being offered updates for Office
    >>>>>> 2003. Is there a way that I can "revert" to only Windows security
    >>>>>> updates?
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> You may have enabled MS Updates. Is there a shortcut to it when you
    >>>>> click on Start?
    >>>>> Or see:
    >>>>>
    >>>>> http://www.update.microsoft.com/microsoftupdate/v6/default.aspx?ln=en-us
    >>>>>
    >>>>> You can click "Change Settings" in left hand column. Bottom of page
    >>>>> allows you to revert to Windows Update only. Don't forget to Apply
    >>>>> changes.
    >>>>
    >>>> Out of interest, why do you not want to be informed of/install security
    >>>> updates for Office products?
    >>>
    >>>

    >>
    >>
    >>

    >
    >
     
  11. Smirnoff

    Smirnoff Flightless Bird

    Meant to add that there is probably now an update that resolves this
    problem.

    Try checking for Office updates that become available after you have
    installed SP3.

    "Smirnoff" <someone@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
    news:#B7Nv2clKHA.2680@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
    > This may be of some help, seen at:
    >
    > http://getsatisfaction.com/microsoft/topics/scrolling_up_does_not_work_right_lines_repeat
    >
    > "The scrolling problem is solved! Finally Microsoft acknowledged that the
    > problem is caused by a security update in Service Pack 3 (SP3). If you don’t
    > have SP3, I discovered it also in Word Security Update KB954464.
    > As of October 28, 2008 you can now ask for a hotfix that will solve the
    > problem: http://support.microsoft.com/default....
    > For information about hotfix installing see:
    > http://blogs.msdn.com/dougste/archive...
    > Microsoft will ask for your email address and send you the hotfix in a
    > zip-file. I did this and immediately received the hotfix without charges.
    > After unzipping it I ended up with a file called Winword."
    >
    > And:
    >
    > "I installed the hotfix and it works! No more scrolling problems and
    > nothing changed in my settings."
    >
    > Remember, this hotfix is for use AFTER you have installed SP3:
    >
    > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/957706/
    >
    >
    > "JD" <erehwon@example.com> wrote in message
    > news:uGgeUublKHA.3128@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
    >> Your advice is well taken. I have, in fact, gotten a number of
    >> suggestions from the Word newsgroup. Nothing seems to correct the problem
    >> other than avoiding SP3. Perhaps I'll try again.
    >> What I meant was that when I scroll rapidly through a long document, the
    >> text becomes garbled, with two or three lines atop each other, the cursor
    >> out in the far right of the page. When I change the view, the text
    >> corrects itself. This does not happen when I run Word without Service
    >> Pack 3. Strange.
    >> "Smirnoff" <someone@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
    >> news:uJiRB5ZlKHA.3476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
    >>> As Gord Dibben points out, if you use MS Updates, you can still select
    >>> which updates you want to install if you have the "Notify" setting.
    >>>
    >>> PA bear's post explains that WLM updates are not offered in Windows
    >>> Update.
    >>>
    >>> However, I think you should address the problem you are having with
    >>> Office/Word SP3.
    >>>
    >>> I'm not too sure what you mean by "The scroll function got ahead of the
    >>> text, which became garbled" but there is obviously a problem.
    >>>
    >>> Perhaps if you try an NG such as microsoft.public.officeupdates you may
    >>> find the solution. Or, search for problems with Word after installing
    >>> SP3.
    >>>
    >>> I'm sure the posters in this group will advise on the best NG to resolve
    >>> this.
    >>>
    >>> It seems to me that you are causing yourself more hassle by avoiding the
    >>> main issue.
    >>>
    >>> "JD" <erehwon@example.com> wrote in message
    >>> news:-OOL5qUWlKHA.5040@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
    >>>> On several occasions I have installed Word 2003 Service Pack 3 and each
    >>>> time I had a problem with Word. The scroll function got ahead of the
    >>>> text, which became garbled. Uninstalling Word, reinstalling it, and
    >>>> applying only SP2 avoided the problem. I don't want to install SP3
    >>>> again. That's why I don't want it to appear in the Update list.
    >>>> "Smirnoff" <someone@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
    >>>> news:eLXOFjPlKHA.6096@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
    >>>>>
    >>>>> "Smirnoff" <someone@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
    >>>>> news:-OoNMXPPlKHA.2780@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> "JD" <erehwon@example.com> wrote in message
    >>>>>> news:#S2KcvOlKHA.2188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
    >>>>>>> Heretofore I have received notices when updates were available for
    >>>>>>> Windows and Defender. I am now being offered updates for Office
    >>>>>>> 2003. Is there a way that I can "revert" to only Windows security
    >>>>>>> updates?
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> You may have enabled MS Updates. Is there a shortcut to it when you
    >>>>>> click on Start?
    >>>>>> Or see:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> http://www.update.microsoft.com/microsoftupdate/v6/default.aspx?ln=en-us
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> You can click "Change Settings" in left hand column. Bottom of page
    >>>>>> allows you to revert to Windows Update only. Don't forget to Apply
    >>>>>> changes.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Out of interest, why do you not want to be informed of/install
    >>>>> security updates for Office products?
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>

    >>
    >>

    >
    >
    >
     
  12. JD

    JD Flightless Bird

    Wow! As I said earlier, after being burned several times by SP3 I had
    decided to just permanently avoid it. Now I see that many others have been
    through the same grief. When I was originally researching this, no one in
    the Word newsgroups could offer any help. No doubt had I kept at it I would
    have learned about the "hotfix." Your help is very much appreciated.
    "Smirnoff" <someone@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
    news:%23B7Nv2clKHA.2680@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
    > This may be of some help, seen at:
    >
    > http://getsatisfaction.com/microsoft/topics/scrolling_up_does_not_work_right_lines_repeat
    >
    > "The scrolling problem is solved! Finally Microsoft acknowledged that the
    > problem is caused by a security update in Service Pack 3 (SP3). If you don’t
    > have SP3, I discovered it also in Word Security Update KB954464.
    > As of October 28, 2008 you can now ask for a hotfix that will solve the
    > problem: http://support.microsoft.com/default....
    > For information about hotfix installing see:
    > http://blogs.msdn.com/dougste/archive...
    > Microsoft will ask for your email address and send you the hotfix in a
    > zip-file. I did this and immediately received the hotfix without charges.
    > After unzipping it I ended up with a file called Winword."
    >
    > And:
    >
    > "I installed the hotfix and it works! No more scrolling problems and
    > nothing changed in my settings."
    >
    > Remember, this hotfix is for use AFTER you have installed SP3:
    >
    > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/957706/
    >
    >
    > "JD" <erehwon@example.com> wrote in message
    > news:uGgeUublKHA.3128@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
    >> Your advice is well taken. I have, in fact, gotten a number of
    >> suggestions from the Word newsgroup. Nothing seems to correct the problem
    >> other than avoiding SP3. Perhaps I'll try again.
    >> What I meant was that when I scroll rapidly through a long document, the
    >> text becomes garbled, with two or three lines atop each other, the cursor
    >> out in the far right of the page. When I change the view, the text
    >> corrects itself. This does not happen when I run Word without Service
    >> Pack 3. Strange.
    >> "Smirnoff" <someone@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
    >> news:uJiRB5ZlKHA.3476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
    >>> As Gord Dibben points out, if you use MS Updates, you can still select
    >>> which updates you want to install if you have the "Notify" setting.
    >>>
    >>> PA bear's post explains that WLM updates are not offered in Windows
    >>> Update.
    >>>
    >>> However, I think you should address the problem you are having with
    >>> Office/Word SP3.
    >>>
    >>> I'm not too sure what you mean by "The scroll function got ahead of the
    >>> text, which became garbled" but there is obviously a problem.
    >>>
    >>> Perhaps if you try an NG such as microsoft.public.officeupdates you may
    >>> find the solution. Or, search for problems with Word after installing
    >>> SP3.
    >>>
    >>> I'm sure the posters in this group will advise on the best NG to resolve
    >>> this.
    >>>
    >>> It seems to me that you are causing yourself more hassle by avoiding the
    >>> main issue.
    >>>
    >>> "JD" <erehwon@example.com> wrote in message
    >>> news:-OOL5qUWlKHA.5040@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
    >>>> On several occasions I have installed Word 2003 Service Pack 3 and each
    >>>> time I had a problem with Word. The scroll function got ahead of the
    >>>> text, which became garbled. Uninstalling Word, reinstalling it, and
    >>>> applying only SP2 avoided the problem. I don't want to install SP3
    >>>> again. That's why I don't want it to appear in the Update list.
    >>>> "Smirnoff" <someone@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
    >>>> news:eLXOFjPlKHA.6096@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
    >>>>>
    >>>>> "Smirnoff" <someone@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
    >>>>> news:-OoNMXPPlKHA.2780@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> "JD" <erehwon@example.com> wrote in message
    >>>>>> news:#S2KcvOlKHA.2188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
    >>>>>>> Heretofore I have received notices when updates were available for
    >>>>>>> Windows and Defender. I am now being offered updates for Office
    >>>>>>> 2003. Is there a way that I can "revert" to only Windows security
    >>>>>>> updates?
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> You may have enabled MS Updates. Is there a shortcut to it when you
    >>>>>> click on Start?
    >>>>>> Or see:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> http://www.update.microsoft.com/microsoftupdate/v6/default.aspx?ln=en-us
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> You can click "Change Settings" in left hand column. Bottom of page
    >>>>>> allows you to revert to Windows Update only. Don't forget to Apply
    >>>>>> changes.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Out of interest, why do you not want to be informed of/install
    >>>>> security updates for Office products?
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>

    >>
    >>

    >
    >
    >
     
  13. Smirnoff

    Smirnoff Flightless Bird

    You're welcome JD, however, please see my subsequent post.

    After a lot of searching, I was so pleased to find an example of the problem
    you described that I got a bit in front of myself.

    The hotfix was issued very quickly when the problem was discovered. This was
    late 2008. I don't think that you need to use it now as it has been
    incorporated within later updates.

    As far as I know, even though Office SP3 was responsible for your particular
    (and several other) issues, MS did not (will not) alter the original file.

    They rely on post-SP3 updates.

    I think all you need to do is install SP3 and reboot, then check for further
    updates. Obviously, these updates can only be offered if SP3 is detected on
    your machine in the first place.

    As you are not using MS Updates at the moment, the best thing to do after
    installing SP3, is open Word and click on Help in the menu (wait a few
    seconds for the options to expand) and then click "Check for updates....".

    Hopefully this will solve your problem and you wont have to worry about
    using MS, as opposed to Windows Updates in the future.

    "JD" <erehwon@example.com> wrote in message
    news:u99lcKklKHA.2316@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
    > Wow! As I said earlier, after being burned several times by SP3 I had
    > decided to just permanently avoid it. Now I see that many others have been
    > through the same grief. When I was originally researching this, no one in
    > the Word newsgroups could offer any help. No doubt had I kept at it I
    > would have learned about the "hotfix." Your help is very much appreciated.
    > "Smirnoff" <someone@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
    > news:%23B7Nv2clKHA.2680@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
    >> This may be of some help, seen at:
    >>
    >> http://getsatisfaction.com/microsoft/topics/scrolling_up_does_not_work_right_lines_repeat
    >>
    >> "The scrolling problem is solved! Finally Microsoft acknowledged that the
    >> problem is caused by a security update in Service Pack 3 (SP3). If you
    >> don’t have SP3, I discovered it also in Word Security Update KB954464.
    >> As of October 28, 2008 you can now ask for a hotfix that will solve the
    >> problem: http://support.microsoft.com/default....
    >> For information about hotfix installing see:
    >> http://blogs.msdn.com/dougste/archive...
    >> Microsoft will ask for your email address and send you the hotfix in a
    >> zip-file. I did this and immediately received the hotfix without charges.
    >> After unzipping it I ended up with a file called Winword."
    >>
    >> And:
    >>
    >> "I installed the hotfix and it works! No more scrolling problems and
    >> nothing changed in my settings."
    >>
    >> Remember, this hotfix is for use AFTER you have installed SP3:
    >>
    >> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/957706/
    >>
    >>
    >> "JD" <erehwon@example.com> wrote in message
    >> news:uGgeUublKHA.3128@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
    >>> Your advice is well taken. I have, in fact, gotten a number of
    >>> suggestions from the Word newsgroup. Nothing seems to correct the
    >>> problem other than avoiding SP3. Perhaps I'll try again.
    >>> What I meant was that when I scroll rapidly through a long document, the
    >>> text becomes garbled, with two or three lines atop each other, the
    >>> cursor out in the far right of the page. When I change the view, the
    >>> text corrects itself. This does not happen when I run Word without
    >>> Service Pack 3. Strange.
    >>> "Smirnoff" <someone@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
    >>> news:uJiRB5ZlKHA.3476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
    >>>> As Gord Dibben points out, if you use MS Updates, you can still select
    >>>> which updates you want to install if you have the "Notify" setting.
    >>>>
    >>>> PA bear's post explains that WLM updates are not offered in Windows
    >>>> Update.
    >>>>
    >>>> However, I think you should address the problem you are having with
    >>>> Office/Word SP3.
    >>>>
    >>>> I'm not too sure what you mean by "The scroll function got ahead of the
    >>>> text, which became garbled" but there is obviously a problem.
    >>>>
    >>>> Perhaps if you try an NG such as microsoft.public.officeupdates you may
    >>>> find the solution. Or, search for problems with Word after installing
    >>>> SP3.
    >>>>
    >>>> I'm sure the posters in this group will advise on the best NG to
    >>>> resolve this.
    >>>>
    >>>> It seems to me that you are causing yourself more hassle by avoiding
    >>>> the main issue.
    >>>>
    >>>> "JD" <erehwon@example.com> wrote in message
    >>>> news:-OOL5qUWlKHA.5040@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
    >>>>> On several occasions I have installed Word 2003 Service Pack 3 and
    >>>>> each time I had a problem with Word. The scroll function got ahead of
    >>>>> the text, which became garbled. Uninstalling Word, reinstalling it,
    >>>>> and applying only SP2 avoided the problem. I don't want to install SP3
    >>>>> again. That's why I don't want it to appear in the Update list.
    >>>>> "Smirnoff" <someone@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
    >>>>> news:eLXOFjPlKHA.6096@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> "Smirnoff" <someone@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
    >>>>>> news:-OoNMXPPlKHA.2780@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> "JD" <erehwon@example.com> wrote in message
    >>>>>>> news:#S2KcvOlKHA.2188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
    >>>>>>>> Heretofore I have received notices when updates were available for
    >>>>>>>> Windows and Defender. I am now being offered updates for Office
    >>>>>>>> 2003. Is there a way that I can "revert" to only Windows security
    >>>>>>>> updates?
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> You may have enabled MS Updates. Is there a shortcut to it when you
    >>>>>>> click on Start?
    >>>>>>> Or see:
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> http://www.update.microsoft.com/microsoftupdate/v6/default.aspx?ln=en-us
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> You can click "Change Settings" in left hand column. Bottom of page
    >>>>>>> allows you to revert to Windows Update only. Don't forget to Apply
    >>>>>>> changes.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Out of interest, why do you not want to be informed of/install
    >>>>>> security updates for Office products?
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>>

    >>
    >>
    >>

    >
    >
     
  14. JD

    JD Flightless Bird

    A glance at the hotfix referenced indicated that the problem it was
    resolving had to do with Korean characters. Maybe I didn't look closely
    enough.
    Your suggestion that I install SP3 (again) and then subsequent Office
    updates is clearly a sound approach.
    BTW, I think I'm confused on some of the terms used in these posts. Windows
    Update (which I now use), Windows Automatic Update (which would also check
    for Office updates), and MS Updates. Is the latter the same thing as
    Automatic Update?
    I'm pleased to see that I am successfuly receiving the daily signature
    updates for MSE (via MS Updates?). This is reported in MSE and in the Event
    logs. That was a concern when I started this thread.
    Thanks again.
    "Smirnoff" <someone@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
    news:-OPw%23EjnlKHA.5520@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
    > You're welcome JD, however, please see my subsequent post.
    >
    > After a lot of searching, I was so pleased to find an example of the
    > problem you described that I got a bit in front of myself.
    >
    > The hotfix was issued very quickly when the problem was discovered. This
    > was late 2008. I don't think that you need to use it now as it has been
    > incorporated within later updates.
    >
    > As far as I know, even though Office SP3 was responsible for your
    > particular (and several other) issues, MS did not (will not) alter the
    > original file.
    >
    > They rely on post-SP3 updates.
    >
    > I think all you need to do is install SP3 and reboot, then check for
    > further updates. Obviously, these updates can only be offered if SP3 is
    > detected on your machine in the first place.
    >
    > As you are not using MS Updates at the moment, the best thing to do after
    > installing SP3, is open Word and click on Help in the menu (wait a few
    > seconds for the options to expand) and then click "Check for updates....".
    >
    > Hopefully this will solve your problem and you wont have to worry about
    > using MS, as opposed to Windows Updates in the future.
    >
    > "JD" <erehwon@example.com> wrote in message
    > news:u99lcKklKHA.2316@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
    >> Wow! As I said earlier, after being burned several times by SP3 I had
    >> decided to just permanently avoid it. Now I see that many others have
    >> been through the same grief. When I was originally researching this, no
    >> one in the Word newsgroups could offer any help. No doubt had I kept at
    >> it I would have learned about the "hotfix." Your help is very much
    >> appreciated.
    >> "Smirnoff" <someone@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
    >> news:%23B7Nv2clKHA.2680@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
    >>> This may be of some help, seen at:
    >>>
    >>> http://getsatisfaction.com/microsoft/topics/scrolling_up_does_not_work_right_lines_repeat
    >>>
    >>> "The scrolling problem is solved! Finally Microsoft acknowledged that
    >>> the problem is caused by a security update in Service Pack 3 (SP3). If
    >>> you don’t have SP3, I discovered it also in Word Security Update
    >>> KB954464.
    >>> As of October 28, 2008 you can now ask for a hotfix that will solve the
    >>> problem: http://support.microsoft.com/default....
    >>> For information about hotfix installing see:
    >>> http://blogs.msdn.com/dougste/archive...
    >>> Microsoft will ask for your email address and send you the hotfix in a
    >>> zip-file. I did this and immediately received the hotfix without
    >>> charges. After unzipping it I ended up with a file called Winword."
    >>>
    >>> And:
    >>>
    >>> "I installed the hotfix and it works! No more scrolling problems and
    >>> nothing changed in my settings."
    >>>
    >>> Remember, this hotfix is for use AFTER you have installed SP3:
    >>>
    >>> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/957706/
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> "JD" <erehwon@example.com> wrote in message
    >>> news:uGgeUublKHA.3128@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
    >>>> Your advice is well taken. I have, in fact, gotten a number of
    >>>> suggestions from the Word newsgroup. Nothing seems to correct the
    >>>> problem other than avoiding SP3. Perhaps I'll try again.
    >>>> What I meant was that when I scroll rapidly through a long document,
    >>>> the text becomes garbled, with two or three lines atop each other, the
    >>>> cursor out in the far right of the page. When I change the view, the
    >>>> text corrects itself. This does not happen when I run Word without
    >>>> Service Pack 3. Strange.
    >>>> "Smirnoff" <someone@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
    >>>> news:uJiRB5ZlKHA.3476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
    >>>>> As Gord Dibben points out, if you use MS Updates, you can still select
    >>>>> which updates you want to install if you have the "Notify" setting.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> PA bear's post explains that WLM updates are not offered in Windows
    >>>>> Update.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> However, I think you should address the problem you are having with
    >>>>> Office/Word SP3.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> I'm not too sure what you mean by "The scroll function got ahead of
    >>>>> the text, which became garbled" but there is obviously a problem.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Perhaps if you try an NG such as microsoft.public.officeupdates you
    >>>>> may find the solution. Or, search for problems with Word after
    >>>>> installing SP3.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> I'm sure the posters in this group will advise on the best NG to
    >>>>> resolve this.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> It seems to me that you are causing yourself more hassle by avoiding
    >>>>> the main issue.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> "JD" <erehwon@example.com> wrote in message
    >>>>> news:-OOL5qUWlKHA.5040@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
    >>>>>> On several occasions I have installed Word 2003 Service Pack 3 and
    >>>>>> each time I had a problem with Word. The scroll function got ahead of
    >>>>>> the text, which became garbled. Uninstalling Word, reinstalling it,
    >>>>>> and applying only SP2 avoided the problem. I don't want to install
    >>>>>> SP3 again. That's why I don't want it to appear in the Update list.
    >>>>>> "Smirnoff" <someone@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
    >>>>>> news:eLXOFjPlKHA.6096@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> "Smirnoff" <someone@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
    >>>>>>> news:-OoNMXPPlKHA.2780@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> "JD" <erehwon@example.com> wrote in message
    >>>>>>>> news:#S2KcvOlKHA.2188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
    >>>>>>>>> Heretofore I have received notices when updates were available for
    >>>>>>>>> Windows and Defender. I am now being offered updates for Office
    >>>>>>>>> 2003. Is there a way that I can "revert" to only Windows security
    >>>>>>>>> updates?
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> You may have enabled MS Updates. Is there a shortcut to it when you
    >>>>>>>> click on Start?
    >>>>>>>> Or see:
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> http://www.update.microsoft.com/microsoftupdate/v6/default.aspx?ln=en-us
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> You can click "Change Settings" in left hand column. Bottom of page
    >>>>>>>> allows you to revert to Windows Update only. Don't forget to Apply
    >>>>>>>> changes.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Out of interest, why do you not want to be informed of/install
    >>>>>>> security updates for Office products?
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>

    >>
    >>

    >
    >
    >
     
  15. Smirnoff

    Smirnoff Flightless Bird

    Korean characters were only one of the issues the hotfix was meant to
    correct. However, as you obviously read my subsequent post, I don't think
    you need to use it. All you need to do is check for further updates after
    you install SP3.

    Windows and Microsoft updates - Windows Update only checks for Windows
    updates. Microsoft Update checks for Windows AND Office updates. Below is an
    example of what you may see when using only Windows Update:

    When looking in "Review your update history" in the update page, under the
    Source column:

    Windows Update - updates that you have manually downloaded and installed
    from the update page.

    Windows Automatic Update - updates that have been downloaded and installed
    via the automatic setting, i.e. when the little shield appears in the system
    tray telling you that updates are being installed or notifying you of new
    updates (depending on your setting). This does NOT check for Office updates.

    Only Microsoft Updates do both, that is why you are not receiving/being
    notified of subsequent post-SP3 Office updates.


    "JD" <erehwon@example.com> wrote in message
    news:-OByIbvwlKHA.2132@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
    > A glance at the hotfix referenced indicated that the problem it was
    > resolving had to do with Korean characters. Maybe I didn't look closely
    > enough.
    > Your suggestion that I install SP3 (again) and then subsequent Office
    > updates is clearly a sound approach.
    > BTW, I think I'm confused on some of the terms used in these posts.
    > Windows Update (which I now use), Windows Automatic Update (which would
    > also check for Office updates), and MS Updates. Is the latter the same
    > thing as Automatic Update?
    > I'm pleased to see that I am successfuly receiving the daily signature
    > updates for MSE (via MS Updates?). This is reported in MSE and in the
    > Event logs. That was a concern when I started this thread.
    > Thanks again.
    > "Smirnoff" <someone@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
    > news:-OPw%23EjnlKHA.5520@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
    >> You're welcome JD, however, please see my subsequent post.
    >>
    >> After a lot of searching, I was so pleased to find an example of the
    >> problem you described that I got a bit in front of myself.
    >>
    >> The hotfix was issued very quickly when the problem was discovered. This
    >> was late 2008. I don't think that you need to use it now as it has been
    >> incorporated within later updates.
    >>
    >> As far as I know, even though Office SP3 was responsible for your
    >> particular (and several other) issues, MS did not (will not) alter the
    >> original file.
    >>
    >> They rely on post-SP3 updates.
    >>
    >> I think all you need to do is install SP3 and reboot, then check for
    >> further updates. Obviously, these updates can only be offered if SP3 is
    >> detected on your machine in the first place.
    >>
    >> As you are not using MS Updates at the moment, the best thing to do after
    >> installing SP3, is open Word and click on Help in the menu (wait a few
    >> seconds for the options to expand) and then click "Check for
    >> updates....".
    >>
    >> Hopefully this will solve your problem and you wont have to worry about
    >> using MS, as opposed to Windows Updates in the future.
    >>
    >> "JD" <erehwon@example.com> wrote in message
    >> news:u99lcKklKHA.2316@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
    >>> Wow! As I said earlier, after being burned several times by SP3 I had
    >>> decided to just permanently avoid it. Now I see that many others have
    >>> been through the same grief. When I was originally researching this, no
    >>> one in the Word newsgroups could offer any help. No doubt had I kept at
    >>> it I would have learned about the "hotfix." Your help is very much
    >>> appreciated.
    >>> "Smirnoff" <someone@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
    >>> news:%23B7Nv2clKHA.2680@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
    >>>> This may be of some help, seen at:
    >>>>
    >>>> http://getsatisfaction.com/microsoft/topics/scrolling_up_does_not_work_right_lines_repeat
    >>>>
    >>>> "The scrolling problem is solved! Finally Microsoft acknowledged that
    >>>> the problem is caused by a security update in Service Pack 3 (SP3). If
    >>>> you don’t have SP3, I discovered it also in Word Security Update
    >>>> KB954464.
    >>>> As of October 28, 2008 you can now ask for a hotfix that will solve the
    >>>> problem: http://support.microsoft.com/default....
    >>>> For information about hotfix installing see:
    >>>> http://blogs.msdn.com/dougste/archive...
    >>>> Microsoft will ask for your email address and send you the hotfix in a
    >>>> zip-file. I did this and immediately received the hotfix without
    >>>> charges. After unzipping it I ended up with a file called Winword."
    >>>>
    >>>> And:
    >>>>
    >>>> "I installed the hotfix and it works! No more scrolling problems and
    >>>> nothing changed in my settings."
    >>>>
    >>>> Remember, this hotfix is for use AFTER you have installed SP3:
    >>>>
    >>>> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/957706/
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> "JD" <erehwon@example.com> wrote in message
    >>>> news:uGgeUublKHA.3128@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
    >>>>> Your advice is well taken. I have, in fact, gotten a number of
    >>>>> suggestions from the Word newsgroup. Nothing seems to correct the
    >>>>> problem other than avoiding SP3. Perhaps I'll try again.
    >>>>> What I meant was that when I scroll rapidly through a long document,
    >>>>> the text becomes garbled, with two or three lines atop each other, the
    >>>>> cursor out in the far right of the page. When I change the view, the
    >>>>> text corrects itself. This does not happen when I run Word without
    >>>>> Service Pack 3. Strange.
    >>>>> "Smirnoff" <someone@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
    >>>>> news:uJiRB5ZlKHA.3476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
    >>>>>> As Gord Dibben points out, if you use MS Updates, you can still
    >>>>>> select which updates you want to install if you have the "Notify"
    >>>>>> setting.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> PA bear's post explains that WLM updates are not offered in Windows
    >>>>>> Update.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> However, I think you should address the problem you are having with
    >>>>>> Office/Word SP3.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> I'm not too sure what you mean by "The scroll function got ahead of
    >>>>>> the text, which became garbled" but there is obviously a problem.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Perhaps if you try an NG such as microsoft.public.officeupdates you
    >>>>>> may find the solution. Or, search for problems with Word after
    >>>>>> installing SP3.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> I'm sure the posters in this group will advise on the best NG to
    >>>>>> resolve this.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> It seems to me that you are causing yourself more hassle by avoiding
    >>>>>> the main issue.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> "JD" <erehwon@example.com> wrote in message
    >>>>>> news:-OOL5qUWlKHA.5040@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
    >>>>>>> On several occasions I have installed Word 2003 Service Pack 3 and
    >>>>>>> each time I had a problem with Word. The scroll function got ahead
    >>>>>>> of the text, which became garbled. Uninstalling Word, reinstalling
    >>>>>>> it, and applying only SP2 avoided the problem. I don't want to
    >>>>>>> install SP3 again. That's why I don't want it to appear in the
    >>>>>>> Update list.
    >>>>>>> "Smirnoff" <someone@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
    >>>>>>> news:eLXOFjPlKHA.6096@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> "Smirnoff" <someone@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
    >>>>>>>> news:-OoNMXPPlKHA.2780@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> "JD" <erehwon@example.com> wrote in message
    >>>>>>>>> news:#S2KcvOlKHA.2188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
    >>>>>>>>>> Heretofore I have received notices when updates were available
    >>>>>>>>>> for Windows and Defender. I am now being offered updates for
    >>>>>>>>>> Office 2003. Is there a way that I can "revert" to only Windows
    >>>>>>>>>> security updates?
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> You may have enabled MS Updates. Is there a shortcut to it when
    >>>>>>>>> you click on Start?
    >>>>>>>>> Or see:
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> http://www.update.microsoft.com/microsoftupdate/v6/default.aspx?ln=en-us
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> You can click "Change Settings" in left hand column. Bottom of
    >>>>>>>>> page allows you to revert to Windows Update only. Don't forget to
    >>>>>>>>> Apply changes.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> Out of interest, why do you not want to be informed of/install
    >>>>>>>> security updates for Office products?
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>>

    >>
    >>
    >>

    >
    >
     
  16. JD

    JD Flightless Bird

    I am notified when new Windows updates are available (including, until
    recently, Windows Defender). I then go to the Windows Update Web page and
    download the "critical" ones. So I guess that I'm using Automatic Update to
    check for and advise me of new updates, then Windows Update to "manually"
    download and install. As I understand it, the MSE signature updates are
    "automatically" downloaded and installed via the Windows Automatic Update
    "pipeline," with help from the Background Intelligent Transfer service,
    which is set to "Automatic." I have turned off Microsoft Updates, so I'm not
    told of Office updates. Have I got that right?
    Thanks again for your interest in my questions.
    "Smirnoff" <someone@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
    news:-O8zx6m0lKHA.5568@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
    > Korean characters were only one of the issues the hotfix was meant to
    > correct. However, as you obviously read my subsequent post, I don't think
    > you need to use it. All you need to do is check for further updates after
    > you install SP3.
    >
    > Windows and Microsoft updates - Windows Update only checks for Windows
    > updates. Microsoft Update checks for Windows AND Office updates. Below is
    > an example of what you may see when using only Windows Update:
    >
    > When looking in "Review your update history" in the update page, under the
    > Source column:
    >
    > Windows Update - updates that you have manually downloaded and installed
    > from the update page.
    >
    > Windows Automatic Update - updates that have been downloaded and installed
    > via the automatic setting, i.e. when the little shield appears in the
    > system tray telling you that updates are being installed or notifying you
    > of new updates (depending on your setting). This does NOT check for Office
    > updates.
    >
    > Only Microsoft Updates do both, that is why you are not receiving/being
    > notified of subsequent post-SP3 Office updates.
    >
    >
    > "JD" <erehwon@example.com> wrote in message
    > news:-OByIbvwlKHA.2132@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
    >> A glance at the hotfix referenced indicated that the problem it was
    >> resolving had to do with Korean characters. Maybe I didn't look closely
    >> enough.
    >> Your suggestion that I install SP3 (again) and then subsequent Office
    >> updates is clearly a sound approach.
    >> BTW, I think I'm confused on some of the terms used in these posts.
    >> Windows Update (which I now use), Windows Automatic Update (which would
    >> also check for Office updates), and MS Updates. Is the latter the same
    >> thing as Automatic Update?
    >> I'm pleased to see that I am successfuly receiving the daily signature
    >> updates for MSE (via MS Updates?). This is reported in MSE and in the
    >> Event logs. That was a concern when I started this thread.
    >> Thanks again.
    >> "Smirnoff" <someone@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
    >> news:-OPw%23EjnlKHA.5520@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
    >>> You're welcome JD, however, please see my subsequent post.
    >>>
    >>> After a lot of searching, I was so pleased to find an example of the
    >>> problem you described that I got a bit in front of myself.
    >>>
    >>> The hotfix was issued very quickly when the problem was discovered. This
    >>> was late 2008. I don't think that you need to use it now as it has been
    >>> incorporated within later updates.
    >>>
    >>> As far as I know, even though Office SP3 was responsible for your
    >>> particular (and several other) issues, MS did not (will not) alter the
    >>> original file.
    >>>
    >>> They rely on post-SP3 updates.
    >>>
    >>> I think all you need to do is install SP3 and reboot, then check for
    >>> further updates. Obviously, these updates can only be offered if SP3 is
    >>> detected on your machine in the first place.
    >>>
    >>> As you are not using MS Updates at the moment, the best thing to do
    >>> after installing SP3, is open Word and click on Help in the menu (wait a
    >>> few seconds for the options to expand) and then click "Check for
    >>> updates....".
    >>>
    >>> Hopefully this will solve your problem and you wont have to worry about
    >>> using MS, as opposed to Windows Updates in the future.
    >>>
    >>> "JD" <erehwon@example.com> wrote in message
    >>> news:u99lcKklKHA.2316@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
    >>>> Wow! As I said earlier, after being burned several times by SP3 I had
    >>>> decided to just permanently avoid it. Now I see that many others have
    >>>> been through the same grief. When I was originally researching this, no
    >>>> one in the Word newsgroups could offer any help. No doubt had I kept at
    >>>> it I would have learned about the "hotfix." Your help is very much
    >>>> appreciated.
    >>>> "Smirnoff" <someone@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
    >>>> news:%23B7Nv2clKHA.2680@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
    >>>>> This may be of some help, seen at:
    >>>>>
    >>>>> http://getsatisfaction.com/microsoft/topics/scrolling_up_does_not_work_right_lines_repeat
    >>>>>
    >>>>> "The scrolling problem is solved! Finally Microsoft acknowledged that
    >>>>> the problem is caused by a security update in Service Pack 3 (SP3). If
    >>>>> you don’t have SP3, I discovered it also in Word Security Update
    >>>>> KB954464.
    >>>>> As of October 28, 2008 you can now ask for a hotfix that will solve
    >>>>> the problem: http://support.microsoft.com/default....
    >>>>> For information about hotfix installing see:
    >>>>> http://blogs.msdn.com/dougste/archive...
    >>>>> Microsoft will ask for your email address and send you the hotfix in a
    >>>>> zip-file. I did this and immediately received the hotfix without
    >>>>> charges. After unzipping it I ended up with a file called Winword."
    >>>>>
    >>>>> And:
    >>>>>
    >>>>> "I installed the hotfix and it works! No more scrolling problems and
    >>>>> nothing changed in my settings."
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Remember, this hotfix is for use AFTER you have installed SP3:
    >>>>>
    >>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/957706/
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> "JD" <erehwon@example.com> wrote in message
    >>>>> news:uGgeUublKHA.3128@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
    >>>>>> Your advice is well taken. I have, in fact, gotten a number of
    >>>>>> suggestions from the Word newsgroup. Nothing seems to correct the
    >>>>>> problem other than avoiding SP3. Perhaps I'll try again.
    >>>>>> What I meant was that when I scroll rapidly through a long document,
    >>>>>> the text becomes garbled, with two or three lines atop each other,
    >>>>>> the cursor out in the far right of the page. When I change the view,
    >>>>>> the text corrects itself. This does not happen when I run Word
    >>>>>> without Service Pack 3. Strange.
    >>>>>> "Smirnoff" <someone@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
    >>>>>> news:uJiRB5ZlKHA.3476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
    >>>>>>> As Gord Dibben points out, if you use MS Updates, you can still
    >>>>>>> select which updates you want to install if you have the "Notify"
    >>>>>>> setting.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> PA bear's post explains that WLM updates are not offered in Windows
    >>>>>>> Update.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> However, I think you should address the problem you are having with
    >>>>>>> Office/Word SP3.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> I'm not too sure what you mean by "The scroll function got ahead of
    >>>>>>> the text, which became garbled" but there is obviously a problem.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Perhaps if you try an NG such as microsoft.public.officeupdates you
    >>>>>>> may find the solution. Or, search for problems with Word after
    >>>>>>> installing SP3.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> I'm sure the posters in this group will advise on the best NG to
    >>>>>>> resolve this.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> It seems to me that you are causing yourself more hassle by avoiding
    >>>>>>> the main issue.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> "JD" <erehwon@example.com> wrote in message
    >>>>>>> news:-OOL5qUWlKHA.5040@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
    >>>>>>>> On several occasions I have installed Word 2003 Service Pack 3 and
    >>>>>>>> each time I had a problem with Word. The scroll function got ahead
    >>>>>>>> of the text, which became garbled. Uninstalling Word, reinstalling
    >>>>>>>> it, and applying only SP2 avoided the problem. I don't want to
    >>>>>>>> install SP3 again. That's why I don't want it to appear in the
    >>>>>>>> Update list.
    >>>>>>>> "Smirnoff" <someone@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
    >>>>>>>> news:eLXOFjPlKHA.6096@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> "Smirnoff" <someone@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
    >>>>>>>>> news:-OoNMXPPlKHA.2780@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> "JD" <erehwon@example.com> wrote in message
    >>>>>>>>>> news:#S2KcvOlKHA.2188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
    >>>>>>>>>>> Heretofore I have received notices when updates were available
    >>>>>>>>>>> for Windows and Defender. I am now being offered updates for
    >>>>>>>>>>> Office 2003. Is there a way that I can "revert" to only Windows
    >>>>>>>>>>> security updates?
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> You may have enabled MS Updates. Is there a shortcut to it when
    >>>>>>>>>> you click on Start?
    >>>>>>>>>> Or see:
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> http://www.update.microsoft.com/microsoftupdate/v6/default.aspx?ln=en-us
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> You can click "Change Settings" in left hand column. Bottom of
    >>>>>>>>>> page allows you to revert to Windows Update only. Don't forget to
    >>>>>>>>>> Apply changes.
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> Out of interest, why do you not want to be informed of/install
    >>>>>>>>> security updates for Office products?
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>

    >>
    >>

    >
    >
    >
     
  17. Smirnoff

    Smirnoff Flightless Bird

    Are you notified by the little shield in the system tray? If so, double
    click on it and then "custom". You can choose which updates to install by
    selecting/deselecting them rather than having to go to the web page.

    You are correct that MSE uses the update "pipe" and downloads and installs
    automatically. Definition updates are listed in "review update history" as
    "Other Source".

    You are correct that as you do not use Microsoft Update, you will not be
    informed of Office updates.

    However, this can be done manually by opening Word and clicking on Help as I
    explained in a previous post.

    Personally, I would use Microsoft Update. You have stated that you avoid
    this because of the the problems you have had with Office SP3. MS Update
    will inform you of all the necessary fixes AND fixes for fixes!


    "JD" <erehwon@example.com> wrote in message
    news:-OYSu6U1lKHA.2780@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
    > I am notified when new Windows updates are available (including, until
    > recently, Windows Defender). I then go to the Windows Update Web page and
    > download the "critical" ones. So I guess that I'm using Automatic Update
    > to check for and advise me of new updates, then Windows Update to
    > "manually" download and install. As I understand it, the MSE signature
    > updates are "automatically" downloaded and installed via the Windows
    > Automatic Update "pipeline," with help from the Background Intelligent
    > Transfer service, which is set to "Automatic." I have turned off Microsoft
    > Updates, so I'm not told of Office updates. Have I got that right?
    > Thanks again for your interest in my questions.
    > "Smirnoff" <someone@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
    > news:-O8zx6m0lKHA.5568@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
    >> Korean characters were only one of the issues the hotfix was meant to
    >> correct. However, as you obviously read my subsequent post, I don't think
    >> you need to use it. All you need to do is check for further updates
    >> after you install SP3.
    >>
    >> Windows and Microsoft updates - Windows Update only checks for Windows
    >> updates. Microsoft Update checks for Windows AND Office updates. Below is
    >> an example of what you may see when using only Windows Update:
    >>
    >> When looking in "Review your update history" in the update page, under
    >> the Source column:
    >>
    >> Windows Update - updates that you have manually downloaded and installed
    >> from the update page.
    >>
    >> Windows Automatic Update - updates that have been downloaded and
    >> installed via the automatic setting, i.e. when the little shield appears
    >> in the system tray telling you that updates are being installed or
    >> notifying you of new updates (depending on your setting). This does NOT
    >> check for Office updates.
    >>
    >> Only Microsoft Updates do both, that is why you are not receiving/being
    >> notified of subsequent post-SP3 Office updates.
    >>
    >>
    >> "JD" <erehwon@example.com> wrote in message
    >> news:-OByIbvwlKHA.2132@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
    >>> A glance at the hotfix referenced indicated that the problem it was
    >>> resolving had to do with Korean characters. Maybe I didn't look closely
    >>> enough.
    >>> Your suggestion that I install SP3 (again) and then subsequent Office
    >>> updates is clearly a sound approach.
    >>> BTW, I think I'm confused on some of the terms used in these posts.
    >>> Windows Update (which I now use), Windows Automatic Update (which would
    >>> also check for Office updates), and MS Updates. Is the latter the same
    >>> thing as Automatic Update?
    >>> I'm pleased to see that I am successfuly receiving the daily signature
    >>> updates for MSE (via MS Updates?). This is reported in MSE and in the
    >>> Event logs. That was a concern when I started this thread.
    >>> Thanks again.
    >>> "Smirnoff" <someone@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
    >>> news:-OPw%23EjnlKHA.5520@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
    >>>> You're welcome JD, however, please see my subsequent post.
    >>>>
    >>>> After a lot of searching, I was so pleased to find an example of the
    >>>> problem you described that I got a bit in front of myself.
    >>>>
    >>>> The hotfix was issued very quickly when the problem was discovered.
    >>>> This was late 2008. I don't think that you need to use it now as it has
    >>>> been incorporated within later updates.
    >>>>
    >>>> As far as I know, even though Office SP3 was responsible for your
    >>>> particular (and several other) issues, MS did not (will not) alter the
    >>>> original file.
    >>>>
    >>>> They rely on post-SP3 updates.
    >>>>
    >>>> I think all you need to do is install SP3 and reboot, then check for
    >>>> further updates. Obviously, these updates can only be offered if SP3 is
    >>>> detected on your machine in the first place.
    >>>>
    >>>> As you are not using MS Updates at the moment, the best thing to do
    >>>> after installing SP3, is open Word and click on Help in the menu (wait
    >>>> a few seconds for the options to expand) and then click "Check for
    >>>> updates....".
    >>>>
    >>>> Hopefully this will solve your problem and you wont have to worry about
    >>>> using MS, as opposed to Windows Updates in the future.
    >>>>
    >>>> "JD" <erehwon@example.com> wrote in message
    >>>> news:u99lcKklKHA.2316@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
    >>>>> Wow! As I said earlier, after being burned several times by SP3 I had
    >>>>> decided to just permanently avoid it. Now I see that many others have
    >>>>> been through the same grief. When I was originally researching this,
    >>>>> no one in the Word newsgroups could offer any help. No doubt had I
    >>>>> kept at it I would have learned about the "hotfix." Your help is very
    >>>>> much appreciated.
    >>>>> "Smirnoff" <someone@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
    >>>>> news:%23B7Nv2clKHA.2680@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
    >>>>>> This may be of some help, seen at:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> http://getsatisfaction.com/microsoft/topics/scrolling_up_does_not_work_right_lines_repeat
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> "The scrolling problem is solved! Finally Microsoft acknowledged that
    >>>>>> the problem is caused by a security update in Service Pack 3 (SP3).
    >>>>>> If you don’t have SP3, I discovered it also in Word Security Update
    >>>>>> KB954464.
    >>>>>> As of October 28, 2008 you can now ask for a hotfix that will solve
    >>>>>> the problem: http://support.microsoft.com/default....
    >>>>>> For information about hotfix installing see:
    >>>>>> http://blogs.msdn.com/dougste/archive...
    >>>>>> Microsoft will ask for your email address and send you the hotfix in
    >>>>>> a zip-file. I did this and immediately received the hotfix without
    >>>>>> charges. After unzipping it I ended up with a file called Winword."
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> And:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> "I installed the hotfix and it works! No more scrolling problems and
    >>>>>> nothing changed in my settings."
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Remember, this hotfix is for use AFTER you have installed SP3:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/957706/
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> "JD" <erehwon@example.com> wrote in message
    >>>>>> news:uGgeUublKHA.3128@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
    >>>>>>> Your advice is well taken. I have, in fact, gotten a number of
    >>>>>>> suggestions from the Word newsgroup. Nothing seems to correct the
    >>>>>>> problem other than avoiding SP3. Perhaps I'll try again.
    >>>>>>> What I meant was that when I scroll rapidly through a long document,
    >>>>>>> the text becomes garbled, with two or three lines atop each other,
    >>>>>>> the cursor out in the far right of the page. When I change the view,
    >>>>>>> the text corrects itself. This does not happen when I run Word
    >>>>>>> without Service Pack 3. Strange.
    >>>>>>> "Smirnoff" <someone@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
    >>>>>>> news:uJiRB5ZlKHA.3476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
    >>>>>>>> As Gord Dibben points out, if you use MS Updates, you can still
    >>>>>>>> select which updates you want to install if you have the "Notify"
    >>>>>>>> setting.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> PA bear's post explains that WLM updates are not offered in Windows
    >>>>>>>> Update.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> However, I think you should address the problem you are having with
    >>>>>>>> Office/Word SP3.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> I'm not too sure what you mean by "The scroll function got ahead of
    >>>>>>>> the text, which became garbled" but there is obviously a problem.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> Perhaps if you try an NG such as microsoft.public.officeupdates you
    >>>>>>>> may find the solution. Or, search for problems with Word after
    >>>>>>>> installing SP3.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> I'm sure the posters in this group will advise on the best NG to
    >>>>>>>> resolve this.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> It seems to me that you are causing yourself more hassle by
    >>>>>>>> avoiding the main issue.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> "JD" <erehwon@example.com> wrote in message
    >>>>>>>> news:-OOL5qUWlKHA.5040@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
    >>>>>>>>> On several occasions I have installed Word 2003 Service Pack 3 and
    >>>>>>>>> each time I had a problem with Word. The scroll function got ahead
    >>>>>>>>> of the text, which became garbled. Uninstalling Word, reinstalling
    >>>>>>>>> it, and applying only SP2 avoided the problem. I don't want to
    >>>>>>>>> install SP3 again. That's why I don't want it to appear in the
    >>>>>>>>> Update list.
    >>>>>>>>> "Smirnoff" <someone@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
    >>>>>>>>> news:eLXOFjPlKHA.6096@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> "Smirnoff" <someone@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
    >>>>>>>>>> news:-OoNMXPPlKHA.2780@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>> "JD" <erehwon@example.com> wrote in message
    >>>>>>>>>>> news:#S2KcvOlKHA.2188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
    >>>>>>>>>>>> Heretofore I have received notices when updates were available
    >>>>>>>>>>>> for Windows and Defender. I am now being offered updates for
    >>>>>>>>>>>> Office 2003. Is there a way that I can "revert" to only Windows
    >>>>>>>>>>>> security updates?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>> You may have enabled MS Updates. Is there a shortcut to it when
    >>>>>>>>>>> you click on Start?
    >>>>>>>>>>> Or see:
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.update.microsoft.com/microsoftupdate/v6/default.aspx?ln=en-us
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>> You can click "Change Settings" in left hand column. Bottom of
    >>>>>>>>>>> page allows you to revert to Windows Update only. Don't forget
    >>>>>>>>>>> to Apply changes.
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> Out of interest, why do you not want to be informed of/install
    >>>>>>>>>> security updates for Office products?
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>>

    >>
    >>
    >>

    >
    >
     
  18. JD

    JD Flightless Bird

    I am, indeed, notified by the little shield in the notification area. I will
    use the double-click and "custom" method next time I get Windows updates.
    And I suppose I need no longer fear Word SP3, since I can get a fix for the
    "fix."
    You've been of enormous help to me and, no doubt, to other readers of these
    posts. As my dad used to say, "You're a gentleman and a scholar."
    "Smirnoff" <someone@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
    news:uCUvph1lKHA.1540@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
    > Are you notified by the little shield in the system tray? If so, double
    > click on it and then "custom". You can choose which updates to install by
    > selecting/deselecting them rather than having to go to the web page.
    >
    > You are correct that MSE uses the update "pipe" and downloads and installs
    > automatically. Definition updates are listed in "review update history" as
    > "Other Source".
    >
    > You are correct that as you do not use Microsoft Update, you will not be
    > informed of Office updates.
    >
    > However, this can be done manually by opening Word and clicking on Help as
    > I explained in a previous post.
    >
    > Personally, I would use Microsoft Update. You have stated that you avoid
    > this because of the the problems you have had with Office SP3. MS Update
    > will inform you of all the necessary fixes AND fixes for fixes!
    >
    >
    > "JD" <erehwon@example.com> wrote in message
    > news:-OYSu6U1lKHA.2780@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
    >> I am notified when new Windows updates are available (including, until
    >> recently, Windows Defender). I then go to the Windows Update Web page and
    >> download the "critical" ones. So I guess that I'm using Automatic Update
    >> to check for and advise me of new updates, then Windows Update to
    >> "manually" download and install. As I understand it, the MSE signature
    >> updates are "automatically" downloaded and installed via the Windows
    >> Automatic Update "pipeline," with help from the Background Intelligent
    >> Transfer service, which is set to "Automatic." I have turned off
    >> Microsoft Updates, so I'm not told of Office updates. Have I got that
    >> right?
    >> Thanks again for your interest in my questions.
    >> "Smirnoff" <someone@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
    >> news:-O8zx6m0lKHA.5568@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
    >>> Korean characters were only one of the issues the hotfix was meant to
    >>> correct. However, as you obviously read my subsequent post, I don't
    >>> think you need to use it. All you need to do is check for further
    >>> updates after you install SP3.
    >>>
    >>> Windows and Microsoft updates - Windows Update only checks for Windows
    >>> updates. Microsoft Update checks for Windows AND Office updates. Below
    >>> is an example of what you may see when using only Windows Update:
    >>>
    >>> When looking in "Review your update history" in the update page, under
    >>> the Source column:
    >>>
    >>> Windows Update - updates that you have manually downloaded and installed
    >>> from the update page.
    >>>
    >>> Windows Automatic Update - updates that have been downloaded and
    >>> installed via the automatic setting, i.e. when the little shield appears
    >>> in the system tray telling you that updates are being installed or
    >>> notifying you of new updates (depending on your setting). This does NOT
    >>> check for Office updates.
    >>>
    >>> Only Microsoft Updates do both, that is why you are not receiving/being
    >>> notified of subsequent post-SP3 Office updates.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> "JD" <erehwon@example.com> wrote in message
    >>> news:-OByIbvwlKHA.2132@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
    >>>> A glance at the hotfix referenced indicated that the problem it was
    >>>> resolving had to do with Korean characters. Maybe I didn't look closely
    >>>> enough.
    >>>> Your suggestion that I install SP3 (again) and then subsequent Office
    >>>> updates is clearly a sound approach.
    >>>> BTW, I think I'm confused on some of the terms used in these posts.
    >>>> Windows Update (which I now use), Windows Automatic Update (which would
    >>>> also check for Office updates), and MS Updates. Is the latter the same
    >>>> thing as Automatic Update?
    >>>> I'm pleased to see that I am successfuly receiving the daily signature
    >>>> updates for MSE (via MS Updates?). This is reported in MSE and in the
    >>>> Event logs. That was a concern when I started this thread.
    >>>> Thanks again.
    >>>> "Smirnoff" <someone@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
    >>>> news:-OPw%23EjnlKHA.5520@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
    >>>>> You're welcome JD, however, please see my subsequent post.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> After a lot of searching, I was so pleased to find an example of the
    >>>>> problem you described that I got a bit in front of myself.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> The hotfix was issued very quickly when the problem was discovered.
    >>>>> This was late 2008. I don't think that you need to use it now as it
    >>>>> has been incorporated within later updates.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> As far as I know, even though Office SP3 was responsible for your
    >>>>> particular (and several other) issues, MS did not (will not) alter the
    >>>>> original file.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> They rely on post-SP3 updates.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> I think all you need to do is install SP3 and reboot, then check for
    >>>>> further updates. Obviously, these updates can only be offered if SP3
    >>>>> is detected on your machine in the first place.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> As you are not using MS Updates at the moment, the best thing to do
    >>>>> after installing SP3, is open Word and click on Help in the menu (wait
    >>>>> a few seconds for the options to expand) and then click "Check for
    >>>>> updates....".
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Hopefully this will solve your problem and you wont have to worry
    >>>>> about using MS, as opposed to Windows Updates in the future.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> "JD" <erehwon@example.com> wrote in message
    >>>>> news:u99lcKklKHA.2316@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
    >>>>>> Wow! As I said earlier, after being burned several times by SP3 I had
    >>>>>> decided to just permanently avoid it. Now I see that many others have
    >>>>>> been through the same grief. When I was originally researching this,
    >>>>>> no one in the Word newsgroups could offer any help. No doubt had I
    >>>>>> kept at it I would have learned about the "hotfix." Your help is very
    >>>>>> much appreciated.
    >>>>>> "Smirnoff" <someone@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
    >>>>>> news:%23B7Nv2clKHA.2680@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
    >>>>>>> This may be of some help, seen at:
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> http://getsatisfaction.com/microsoft/topics/scrolling_up_does_not_work_right_lines_repeat
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> "The scrolling problem is solved! Finally Microsoft acknowledged
    >>>>>>> that the problem is caused by a security update in Service Pack 3
    >>>>>>> (SP3). If you don’t have SP3, I discovered it also in Word Security
    >>>>>>> Update KB954464.
    >>>>>>> As of October 28, 2008 you can now ask for a hotfix that will solve
    >>>>>>> the problem: http://support.microsoft.com/default....
    >>>>>>> For information about hotfix installing see:
    >>>>>>> http://blogs.msdn.com/dougste/archive...
    >>>>>>> Microsoft will ask for your email address and send you the hotfix in
    >>>>>>> a zip-file. I did this and immediately received the hotfix without
    >>>>>>> charges. After unzipping it I ended up with a file called Winword."
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> And:
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> "I installed the hotfix and it works! No more scrolling problems and
    >>>>>>> nothing changed in my settings."
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Remember, this hotfix is for use AFTER you have installed SP3:
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/957706/
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> "JD" <erehwon@example.com> wrote in message
    >>>>>>> news:uGgeUublKHA.3128@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
    >>>>>>>> Your advice is well taken. I have, in fact, gotten a number of
    >>>>>>>> suggestions from the Word newsgroup. Nothing seems to correct the
    >>>>>>>> problem other than avoiding SP3. Perhaps I'll try again.
    >>>>>>>> What I meant was that when I scroll rapidly through a long
    >>>>>>>> document, the text becomes garbled, with two or three lines atop
    >>>>>>>> each other, the cursor out in the far right of the page. When I
    >>>>>>>> change the view, the text corrects itself. This does not happen
    >>>>>>>> when I run Word without Service Pack 3. Strange.
    >>>>>>>> "Smirnoff" <someone@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
    >>>>>>>> news:uJiRB5ZlKHA.3476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
    >>>>>>>>> As Gord Dibben points out, if you use MS Updates, you can still
    >>>>>>>>> select which updates you want to install if you have the "Notify"
    >>>>>>>>> setting.
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> PA bear's post explains that WLM updates are not offered in
    >>>>>>>>> Windows Update.
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> However, I think you should address the problem you are having
    >>>>>>>>> with Office/Word SP3.
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> I'm not too sure what you mean by "The scroll function got ahead
    >>>>>>>>> of the text, which became garbled" but there is obviously a
    >>>>>>>>> problem.
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> Perhaps if you try an NG such as microsoft.public.officeupdates
    >>>>>>>>> you may find the solution. Or, search for problems with Word after
    >>>>>>>>> installing SP3.
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> I'm sure the posters in this group will advise on the best NG to
    >>>>>>>>> resolve this.
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> It seems to me that you are causing yourself more hassle by
    >>>>>>>>> avoiding the main issue.
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> "JD" <erehwon@example.com> wrote in message
    >>>>>>>>> news:-OOL5qUWlKHA.5040@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
    >>>>>>>>>> On several occasions I have installed Word 2003 Service Pack 3
    >>>>>>>>>> and each time I had a problem with Word. The scroll function got
    >>>>>>>>>> ahead of the text, which became garbled. Uninstalling Word,
    >>>>>>>>>> reinstalling it, and applying only SP2 avoided the problem. I
    >>>>>>>>>> don't want to install SP3 again. That's why I don't want it to
    >>>>>>>>>> appear in the Update list.
    >>>>>>>>>> "Smirnoff" <someone@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
    >>>>>>>>>> news:eLXOFjPlKHA.6096@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>> "Smirnoff" <someone@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
    >>>>>>>>>>> news:-OoNMXPPlKHA.2780@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>> "JD" <erehwon@example.com> wrote in message
    >>>>>>>>>>>> news:#S2KcvOlKHA.2188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> Heretofore I have received notices when updates were available
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> for Windows and Defender. I am now being offered updates for
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> Office 2003. Is there a way that I can "revert" to only
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows security updates?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>> You may have enabled MS Updates. Is there a shortcut to it when
    >>>>>>>>>>>> you click on Start?
    >>>>>>>>>>>> Or see:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.update.microsoft.com/microsoftupdate/v6/default.aspx?ln=en-us
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>> You can click "Change Settings" in left hand column. Bottom of
    >>>>>>>>>>>> page allows you to revert to Windows Update only. Don't forget
    >>>>>>>>>>>> to Apply changes.
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>> Out of interest, why do you not want to be informed of/install
    >>>>>>>>>>> security updates for Office products?
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>

    >>
    >>

    >
    >
    >
     
  19. Smirnoff

    Smirnoff Flightless Bird

    You're welcome.

    Bite the bullet. Switch to MS Update, install Office/Word SP3, reboot.
    Rather that wait for MS Update to offer further updates, do a manual check
    by going to the MS web page and clicking "Express".

    Install further updates and repeat the process until no more are offered.

    Good luck.

    "JD" <erehwon@example.com> wrote in message
    news:-OYkQ787lKHA.1540@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
    > I am, indeed, notified by the little shield in the notification area. I
    > will use the double-click and "custom" method next time I get Windows
    > updates.
    > And I suppose I need no longer fear Word SP3, since I can get a fix for
    > the "fix."
    > You've been of enormous help to me and, no doubt, to other readers of
    > these posts. As my dad used to say, "You're a gentleman and a scholar."
    > "Smirnoff" <someone@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
    > news:uCUvph1lKHA.1540@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
    >> Are you notified by the little shield in the system tray? If so, double
    >> click on it and then "custom". You can choose which updates to install by
    >> selecting/deselecting them rather than having to go to the web page.
    >>
    >> You are correct that MSE uses the update "pipe" and downloads and
    >> installs automatically. Definition updates are listed in "review update
    >> history" as "Other Source".
    >>
    >> You are correct that as you do not use Microsoft Update, you will not be
    >> informed of Office updates.
    >>
    >> However, this can be done manually by opening Word and clicking on Help
    >> as I explained in a previous post.
    >>
    >> Personally, I would use Microsoft Update. You have stated that you avoid
    >> this because of the the problems you have had with Office SP3. MS Update
    >> will inform you of all the necessary fixes AND fixes for fixes!
    >>
    >>
    >> "JD" <erehwon@example.com> wrote in message
    >> news:-OYSu6U1lKHA.2780@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
    >>> I am notified when new Windows updates are available (including, until
    >>> recently, Windows Defender). I then go to the Windows Update Web page
    >>> and download the "critical" ones. So I guess that I'm using Automatic
    >>> Update to check for and advise me of new updates, then Windows Update to
    >>> "manually" download and install. As I understand it, the MSE signature
    >>> updates are "automatically" downloaded and installed via the Windows
    >>> Automatic Update "pipeline," with help from the Background Intelligent
    >>> Transfer service, which is set to "Automatic." I have turned off
    >>> Microsoft Updates, so I'm not told of Office updates. Have I got that
    >>> right?
    >>> Thanks again for your interest in my questions.
    >>> "Smirnoff" <someone@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
    >>> news:-O8zx6m0lKHA.5568@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
    >>>> Korean characters were only one of the issues the hotfix was meant to
    >>>> correct. However, as you obviously read my subsequent post, I don't
    >>>> think you need to use it. All you need to do is check for further
    >>>> updates after you install SP3.
    >>>>
    >>>> Windows and Microsoft updates - Windows Update only checks for Windows
    >>>> updates. Microsoft Update checks for Windows AND Office updates. Below
    >>>> is an example of what you may see when using only Windows Update:
    >>>>
    >>>> When looking in "Review your update history" in the update page, under
    >>>> the Source column:
    >>>>
    >>>> Windows Update - updates that you have manually downloaded and
    >>>> installed from the update page.
    >>>>
    >>>> Windows Automatic Update - updates that have been downloaded and
    >>>> installed via the automatic setting, i.e. when the little shield
    >>>> appears in the system tray telling you that updates are being installed
    >>>> or notifying you of new updates (depending on your setting). This does
    >>>> NOT check for Office updates.
    >>>>
    >>>> Only Microsoft Updates do both, that is why you are not receiving/being
    >>>> notified of subsequent post-SP3 Office updates.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> "JD" <erehwon@example.com> wrote in message
    >>>> news:-OByIbvwlKHA.2132@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
    >>>>> A glance at the hotfix referenced indicated that the problem it was
    >>>>> resolving had to do with Korean characters. Maybe I didn't look
    >>>>> closely enough.
    >>>>> Your suggestion that I install SP3 (again) and then subsequent Office
    >>>>> updates is clearly a sound approach.
    >>>>> BTW, I think I'm confused on some of the terms used in these posts.
    >>>>> Windows Update (which I now use), Windows Automatic Update (which
    >>>>> would also check for Office updates), and MS Updates. Is the latter
    >>>>> the same thing as Automatic Update?
    >>>>> I'm pleased to see that I am successfuly receiving the daily signature
    >>>>> updates for MSE (via MS Updates?). This is reported in MSE and in the
    >>>>> Event logs. That was a concern when I started this thread.
    >>>>> Thanks again.
    >>>>> "Smirnoff" <someone@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
    >>>>> news:-OPw%23EjnlKHA.5520@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
    >>>>>> You're welcome JD, however, please see my subsequent post.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> After a lot of searching, I was so pleased to find an example of the
    >>>>>> problem you described that I got a bit in front of myself.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> The hotfix was issued very quickly when the problem was discovered.
    >>>>>> This was late 2008. I don't think that you need to use it now as it
    >>>>>> has been incorporated within later updates.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> As far as I know, even though Office SP3 was responsible for your
    >>>>>> particular (and several other) issues, MS did not (will not) alter
    >>>>>> the original file.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> They rely on post-SP3 updates.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> I think all you need to do is install SP3 and reboot, then check for
    >>>>>> further updates. Obviously, these updates can only be offered if SP3
    >>>>>> is detected on your machine in the first place.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> As you are not using MS Updates at the moment, the best thing to do
    >>>>>> after installing SP3, is open Word and click on Help in the menu
    >>>>>> (wait a few seconds for the options to expand) and then click "Check
    >>>>>> for updates....".
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Hopefully this will solve your problem and you wont have to worry
    >>>>>> about using MS, as opposed to Windows Updates in the future.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> "JD" <erehwon@example.com> wrote in message
    >>>>>> news:u99lcKklKHA.2316@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
    >>>>>>> Wow! As I said earlier, after being burned several times by SP3 I
    >>>>>>> had decided to just permanently avoid it. Now I see that many others
    >>>>>>> have been through the same grief. When I was originally researching
    >>>>>>> this, no one in the Word newsgroups could offer any help. No doubt
    >>>>>>> had I kept at it I would have learned about the "hotfix." Your help
    >>>>>>> is very much appreciated.
    >>>>>>> "Smirnoff" <someone@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
    >>>>>>> news:%23B7Nv2clKHA.2680@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
    >>>>>>>> This may be of some help, seen at:
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> http://getsatisfaction.com/microsoft/topics/scrolling_up_does_not_work_right_lines_repeat
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> "The scrolling problem is solved! Finally Microsoft acknowledged
    >>>>>>>> that the problem is caused by a security update in Service Pack 3
    >>>>>>>> (SP3). If you don’t have SP3, I discovered it also in Word Security
    >>>>>>>> Update KB954464.
    >>>>>>>> As of October 28, 2008 you can now ask for a hotfix that will solve
    >>>>>>>> the problem: http://support.microsoft.com/default....
    >>>>>>>> For information about hotfix installing see:
    >>>>>>>> http://blogs.msdn.com/dougste/archive...
    >>>>>>>> Microsoft will ask for your email address and send you the hotfix
    >>>>>>>> in a zip-file. I did this and immediately received the hotfix
    >>>>>>>> without charges. After unzipping it I ended up with a file called
    >>>>>>>> Winword."
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> And:
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> "I installed the hotfix and it works! No more scrolling problems
    >>>>>>>> and nothing changed in my settings."
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> Remember, this hotfix is for use AFTER you have installed SP3:
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/957706/
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> "JD" <erehwon@example.com> wrote in message
    >>>>>>>> news:uGgeUublKHA.3128@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
    >>>>>>>>> Your advice is well taken. I have, in fact, gotten a number of
    >>>>>>>>> suggestions from the Word newsgroup. Nothing seems to correct the
    >>>>>>>>> problem other than avoiding SP3. Perhaps I'll try again.
    >>>>>>>>> What I meant was that when I scroll rapidly through a long
    >>>>>>>>> document, the text becomes garbled, with two or three lines atop
    >>>>>>>>> each other, the cursor out in the far right of the page. When I
    >>>>>>>>> change the view, the text corrects itself. This does not happen
    >>>>>>>>> when I run Word without Service Pack 3. Strange.
    >>>>>>>>> "Smirnoff" <someone@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
    >>>>>>>>> news:uJiRB5ZlKHA.3476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
    >>>>>>>>>> As Gord Dibben points out, if you use MS Updates, you can still
    >>>>>>>>>> select which updates you want to install if you have the "Notify"
    >>>>>>>>>> setting.
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> PA bear's post explains that WLM updates are not offered in
    >>>>>>>>>> Windows Update.
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> However, I think you should address the problem you are having
    >>>>>>>>>> with Office/Word SP3.
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> I'm not too sure what you mean by "The scroll function got ahead
    >>>>>>>>>> of the text, which became garbled" but there is obviously a
    >>>>>>>>>> problem.
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> Perhaps if you try an NG such as microsoft.public.officeupdates
    >>>>>>>>>> you may find the solution. Or, search for problems with Word
    >>>>>>>>>> after installing SP3.
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> I'm sure the posters in this group will advise on the best NG to
    >>>>>>>>>> resolve this.
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> It seems to me that you are causing yourself more hassle by
    >>>>>>>>>> avoiding the main issue.
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> "JD" <erehwon@example.com> wrote in message
    >>>>>>>>>> news:-OOL5qUWlKHA.5040@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
    >>>>>>>>>>> On several occasions I have installed Word 2003 Service Pack 3
    >>>>>>>>>>> and each time I had a problem with Word. The scroll function got
    >>>>>>>>>>> ahead of the text, which became garbled. Uninstalling Word,
    >>>>>>>>>>> reinstalling it, and applying only SP2 avoided the problem. I
    >>>>>>>>>>> don't want to install SP3 again. That's why I don't want it to
    >>>>>>>>>>> appear in the Update list.
    >>>>>>>>>>> "Smirnoff" <someone@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
    >>>>>>>>>>> news:eLXOFjPlKHA.6096@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>> "Smirnoff" <someone@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
    >>>>>>>>>>>> news:-OoNMXPPlKHA.2780@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> "JD" <erehwon@example.com> wrote in message
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> news:#S2KcvOlKHA.2188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Heretofore I have received notices when updates were
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> available for Windows and Defender. I am now being offered
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> updates for Office 2003. Is there a way that I can "revert"
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to only Windows security updates?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> You may have enabled MS Updates. Is there a shortcut to it
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> when you click on Start?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> Or see:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.update.microsoft.com/microsoftupdate/v6/default.aspx?ln=en-us
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> You can click "Change Settings" in left hand column. Bottom of
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> page allows you to revert to Windows Update only. Don't forget
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> to Apply changes.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>> Out of interest, why do you not want to be informed of/install
    >>>>>>>>>>>> security updates for Office products?
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>>

    >>
    >>
    >>

    >
    >
     
  20. JD

    JD Flightless Bird

    Will do. Thanks again.
    Jim
    "Smirnoff" <someone@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
    news:uxYOc9AmKHA.2680@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
    > You're welcome.
    >
    > Bite the bullet. Switch to MS Update, install Office/Word SP3, reboot.
    > Rather that wait for MS Update to offer further updates, do a manual check
    > by going to the MS web page and clicking "Express".
    >
    > Install further updates and repeat the process until no more are offered.
    >
    > Good luck.
    >
    > "JD" <erehwon@example.com> wrote in message
    > news:-OYkQ787lKHA.1540@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
    >> I am, indeed, notified by the little shield in the notification area. I
    >> will use the double-click and "custom" method next time I get Windows
    >> updates.
    >> And I suppose I need no longer fear Word SP3, since I can get a fix for
    >> the "fix."
    >> You've been of enormous help to me and, no doubt, to other readers of
    >> these posts. As my dad used to say, "You're a gentleman and a scholar."
    >> "Smirnoff" <someone@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
    >> news:uCUvph1lKHA.1540@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
    >>> Are you notified by the little shield in the system tray? If so, double
    >>> click on it and then "custom". You can choose which updates to install
    >>> by selecting/deselecting them rather than having to go to the web page.
    >>>
    >>> You are correct that MSE uses the update "pipe" and downloads and
    >>> installs automatically. Definition updates are listed in "review update
    >>> history" as "Other Source".
    >>>
    >>> You are correct that as you do not use Microsoft Update, you will not be
    >>> informed of Office updates.
    >>>
    >>> However, this can be done manually by opening Word and clicking on Help
    >>> as I explained in a previous post.
    >>>
    >>> Personally, I would use Microsoft Update. You have stated that you avoid
    >>> this because of the the problems you have had with Office SP3. MS Update
    >>> will inform you of all the necessary fixes AND fixes for fixes!
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> "JD" <erehwon@example.com> wrote in message
    >>> news:-OYSu6U1lKHA.2780@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
    >>>> I am notified when new Windows updates are available (including, until
    >>>> recently, Windows Defender). I then go to the Windows Update Web page
    >>>> and download the "critical" ones. So I guess that I'm using Automatic
    >>>> Update to check for and advise me of new updates, then Windows Update
    >>>> to "manually" download and install. As I understand it, the MSE
    >>>> signature updates are "automatically" downloaded and installed via the
    >>>> Windows Automatic Update "pipeline," with help from the Background
    >>>> Intelligent Transfer service, which is set to "Automatic." I have
    >>>> turned off Microsoft Updates, so I'm not told of Office updates. Have I
    >>>> got that right?
    >>>> Thanks again for your interest in my questions.
    >>>> "Smirnoff" <someone@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
    >>>> news:-O8zx6m0lKHA.5568@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
    >>>>> Korean characters were only one of the issues the hotfix was meant to
    >>>>> correct. However, as you obviously read my subsequent post, I don't
    >>>>> think you need to use it. All you need to do is check for further
    >>>>> updates after you install SP3.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Windows and Microsoft updates - Windows Update only checks for Windows
    >>>>> updates. Microsoft Update checks for Windows AND Office updates. Below
    >>>>> is an example of what you may see when using only Windows Update:
    >>>>>
    >>>>> When looking in "Review your update history" in the update page, under
    >>>>> the Source column:
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Windows Update - updates that you have manually downloaded and
    >>>>> installed from the update page.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Windows Automatic Update - updates that have been downloaded and
    >>>>> installed via the automatic setting, i.e. when the little shield
    >>>>> appears in the system tray telling you that updates are being
    >>>>> installed or notifying you of new updates (depending on your setting).
    >>>>> This does NOT check for Office updates.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Only Microsoft Updates do both, that is why you are not
    >>>>> receiving/being notified of subsequent post-SP3 Office updates.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> "JD" <erehwon@example.com> wrote in message
    >>>>> news:-OByIbvwlKHA.2132@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
    >>>>>> A glance at the hotfix referenced indicated that the problem it was
    >>>>>> resolving had to do with Korean characters. Maybe I didn't look
    >>>>>> closely enough.
    >>>>>> Your suggestion that I install SP3 (again) and then subsequent Office
    >>>>>> updates is clearly a sound approach.
    >>>>>> BTW, I think I'm confused on some of the terms used in these posts.
    >>>>>> Windows Update (which I now use), Windows Automatic Update (which
    >>>>>> would also check for Office updates), and MS Updates. Is the latter
    >>>>>> the same thing as Automatic Update?
    >>>>>> I'm pleased to see that I am successfuly receiving the daily
    >>>>>> signature updates for MSE (via MS Updates?). This is reported in MSE
    >>>>>> and in the Event logs. That was a concern when I started this thread.
    >>>>>> Thanks again.
    >>>>>> "Smirnoff" <someone@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
    >>>>>> news:-OPw%23EjnlKHA.5520@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
    >>>>>>> You're welcome JD, however, please see my subsequent post.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> After a lot of searching, I was so pleased to find an example of the
    >>>>>>> problem you described that I got a bit in front of myself.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> The hotfix was issued very quickly when the problem was discovered.
    >>>>>>> This was late 2008. I don't think that you need to use it now as it
    >>>>>>> has been incorporated within later updates.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> As far as I know, even though Office SP3 was responsible for your
    >>>>>>> particular (and several other) issues, MS did not (will not) alter
    >>>>>>> the original file.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> They rely on post-SP3 updates.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> I think all you need to do is install SP3 and reboot, then check for
    >>>>>>> further updates. Obviously, these updates can only be offered if SP3
    >>>>>>> is detected on your machine in the first place.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> As you are not using MS Updates at the moment, the best thing to do
    >>>>>>> after installing SP3, is open Word and click on Help in the menu
    >>>>>>> (wait a few seconds for the options to expand) and then click "Check
    >>>>>>> for updates....".
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Hopefully this will solve your problem and you wont have to worry
    >>>>>>> about using MS, as opposed to Windows Updates in the future.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> "JD" <erehwon@example.com> wrote in message
    >>>>>>> news:u99lcKklKHA.2316@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
    >>>>>>>> Wow! As I said earlier, after being burned several times by SP3 I
    >>>>>>>> had decided to just permanently avoid it. Now I see that many
    >>>>>>>> others have been through the same grief. When I was originally
    >>>>>>>> researching this, no one in the Word newsgroups could offer any
    >>>>>>>> help. No doubt had I kept at it I would have learned about the
    >>>>>>>> "hotfix." Your help is very much appreciated.
    >>>>>>>> "Smirnoff" <someone@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
    >>>>>>>> news:%23B7Nv2clKHA.2680@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
    >>>>>>>>> This may be of some help, seen at:
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> http://getsatisfaction.com/microsoft/topics/scrolling_up_does_not_work_right_lines_repeat
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> "The scrolling problem is solved! Finally Microsoft acknowledged
    >>>>>>>>> that the problem is caused by a security update in Service Pack 3
    >>>>>>>>> (SP3). If you don’t have SP3, I discovered it also in Word
    >>>>>>>>> Security Update KB954464.
    >>>>>>>>> As of October 28, 2008 you can now ask for a hotfix that will
    >>>>>>>>> solve the problem: http://support.microsoft.com/default....
    >>>>>>>>> For information about hotfix installing see:
    >>>>>>>>> http://blogs.msdn.com/dougste/archive...
    >>>>>>>>> Microsoft will ask for your email address and send you the hotfix
    >>>>>>>>> in a zip-file. I did this and immediately received the hotfix
    >>>>>>>>> without charges. After unzipping it I ended up with a file called
    >>>>>>>>> Winword."
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> And:
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> "I installed the hotfix and it works! No more scrolling problems
    >>>>>>>>> and nothing changed in my settings."
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> Remember, this hotfix is for use AFTER you have installed SP3:
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/957706/
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> "JD" <erehwon@example.com> wrote in message
    >>>>>>>>> news:uGgeUublKHA.3128@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
    >>>>>>>>>> Your advice is well taken. I have, in fact, gotten a number of
    >>>>>>>>>> suggestions from the Word newsgroup. Nothing seems to correct the
    >>>>>>>>>> problem other than avoiding SP3. Perhaps I'll try again.
    >>>>>>>>>> What I meant was that when I scroll rapidly through a long
    >>>>>>>>>> document, the text becomes garbled, with two or three lines atop
    >>>>>>>>>> each other, the cursor out in the far right of the page. When I
    >>>>>>>>>> change the view, the text corrects itself. This does not happen
    >>>>>>>>>> when I run Word without Service Pack 3. Strange.
    >>>>>>>>>> "Smirnoff" <someone@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
    >>>>>>>>>> news:uJiRB5ZlKHA.3476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
    >>>>>>>>>>> As Gord Dibben points out, if you use MS Updates, you can still
    >>>>>>>>>>> select which updates you want to install if you have the
    >>>>>>>>>>> "Notify" setting.
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>> PA bear's post explains that WLM updates are not offered in
    >>>>>>>>>>> Windows Update.
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>> However, I think you should address the problem you are having
    >>>>>>>>>>> with Office/Word SP3.
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>> I'm not too sure what you mean by "The scroll function got ahead
    >>>>>>>>>>> of the text, which became garbled" but there is obviously a
    >>>>>>>>>>> problem.
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps if you try an NG such as microsoft.public.officeupdates
    >>>>>>>>>>> you may find the solution. Or, search for problems with Word
    >>>>>>>>>>> after installing SP3.
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>> I'm sure the posters in this group will advise on the best NG to
    >>>>>>>>>>> resolve this.
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>> It seems to me that you are causing yourself more hassle by
    >>>>>>>>>>> avoiding the main issue.
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>> "JD" <erehwon@example.com> wrote in message
    >>>>>>>>>>> news:-OOL5qUWlKHA.5040@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
    >>>>>>>>>>>> On several occasions I have installed Word 2003 Service Pack 3
    >>>>>>>>>>>> and each time I had a problem with Word. The scroll function
    >>>>>>>>>>>> got ahead of the text, which became garbled. Uninstalling Word,
    >>>>>>>>>>>> reinstalling it, and applying only SP2 avoided the problem. I
    >>>>>>>>>>>> don't want to install SP3 again. That's why I don't want it to
    >>>>>>>>>>>> appear in the Update list.
    >>>>>>>>>>>> "Smirnoff" <someone@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
    >>>>>>>>>>>> news:eLXOFjPlKHA.6096@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> "Smirnoff" <someone@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> news:-OoNMXPPlKHA.2780@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "JD" <erehwon@example.com> wrote in message
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:#S2KcvOlKHA.2188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Heretofore I have received notices when updates were
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> available for Windows and Defender. I am now being offered
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> updates for Office 2003. Is there a way that I can "revert"
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to only Windows security updates?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> You may have enabled MS Updates. Is there a shortcut to it
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> when you click on Start?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or see:
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.update.microsoft.com/microsoftupdate/v6/default.aspx?ln=en-us
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can click "Change Settings" in left hand column. Bottom
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of page allows you to revert to Windows Update only. Don't
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> forget to Apply changes.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> Out of interest, why do you not want to be informed of/install
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> security updates for Office products?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>

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