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WINDOWS 7

Discussion in 'Windows XP' started by Johnno, Jul 4, 2010.

  1. Johnno

    Johnno Flightless Bird

    I know I am in the wrong newsgroup but I haven't been able to locate one
    covering Windows 7. Could anyone please tell me where to go.
     
  2. Kenny

    Kenny Flightless Bird

    Hope this helps.
    news:alt.windows7.general

    Kenny
    "Johnno" <johnno@helpwanted> wrote in message
    news:eBi0Xk1GLHA.552@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
    >I know I am in the wrong newsgroup but I haven't been able to locate one
    >covering Windows 7. Could anyone please tell me where to go.
     
  3. Ǝиçεl

    Ǝиçεl Flightless Bird

  4. Peter Foldes

    Peter Foldes Flightless Bird

    Kenny

    The al.windows7 newsgroup is a joke and a playground for some people using
    obscenities and foul language when they fight among themselves.

    --
    Peter

    Please Reply to Newsgroup for the benefit of others
    Requests for assistance by email can not and will not be acknowledged.
    http://www.microsoft.com/protect

    "Kenny" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
    news:-Oza9Zp2GLHA.2276@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
    > Hope this helps.
    > news:alt.windows7.general
    >
    > Kenny
    > "Johnno" <johnno@helpwanted> wrote in message
    > news:eBi0Xk1GLHA.552@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
    >>I know I am in the wrong newsgroup but I haven't been able to locate one covering
    >>Windows 7. Could anyone please tell me where to go.

    >
    >
     
  5. PA Bear [MS MVP]

    PA Bear [MS MVP] Flightless Bird

  6. milt

    milt Flightless Bird

    On 7/4/2010 4:12 AM, Johnno wrote:
    > I know I am in the wrong newsgroup but I haven't been able to locate
    > one covering Windows 7. Could anyone please tell me where to go.


    alt.windows7.general but you won't find it on this server.
     
  7. milt

    milt Flightless Bird

    On 7/4/2010 8:02 AM, Peter Foldes wrote:
    > Kenny
    >
    > The al.windows7 newsgroup is a joke and a playground for some people
    > using obscenities and foul language when they fight among themselves.
    >


    Why, just because its not run by Microsoft? Its a perfectly valid
    newsgroup to get help with Windows 7. At least someone is providing
    newsgroup help even if Microsoft is abandoning it.
     
  8. Ken Blake, MVP

    Ken Blake, MVP Flightless Bird

    On Sun, 04 Jul 2010 13:39:12 -0500, milt
    <theatreguy_dunspam_@miltsweb.com> wrote:

    > On 7/4/2010 8:02 AM, Peter Foldes wrote:
    > > Kenny
    > >
    > > The al.windows7 newsgroup is a joke and a playground for some people
    > > using obscenities and foul language when they fight among themselves.
    > >

    >
    > Why, just because its not run by Microsoft?



    No, that's not the reason, but what Peter says is largely true.
    There's much more garbage there than anything useful.


    > Its a perfectly valid
    > newsgroup to get help with Windows 7.



    True. However the amount of garbage is staggering.


    > At least someone is providing
    > newsgroup help even if Microsoft is abandoning it.



    Also true. But the ratio of help to garbage is very poor.


    --
    Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003
    Please Reply to the Newsgroup
     
  9. Ken Blake, MVP

    Ken Blake, MVP Flightless Bird

    On Sun, 04 Jul 2010 13:37:41 -0500, milt
    <theatreguy_dunspam_@miltsweb.com> wrote:

    > On 7/4/2010 4:12 AM, Johnno wrote:
    > > I know I am in the wrong newsgroup but I haven't been able to locate
    > > one covering Windows 7. Could anyone please tell me where to go.

    >
    > alt.windows7.general but you won't find it on this server.



    Please note that your use of the term "this server" isn't really
    correct. What's "this" for you isn't "this" for all of us. For
    example, you may be getting this newsgroup from a Microsoft server,
    but I no longer am. I switched away from the Microsoft server several
    weeks ago.

    --
    Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003
    Please Reply to the Newsgroup
     
  10. Antonio Celso

    Antonio Celso Flightless Bird

    access the newsgroup alt.windows7.general by the server nntp.aioe.org

    "Johnno" <johnno@helpwanted> escreveu na notícia da
    mensagem:eBi0Xk1GLHA.552@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
    > I know I am in the wrong newsgroup but I haven't been able to locate one
    > covering Windows 7. Could anyone please tell me where to go.
     
  11. Bill in Co

    Bill in Co Flightless Bird

    Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
    > On Sun, 04 Jul 2010 13:37:41 -0500, milt
    > <theatreguy_dunspam_@miltsweb.com> wrote:
    >
    >> On 7/4/2010 4:12 AM, Johnno wrote:
    >>> I know I am in the wrong newsgroup but I haven't been able to locate
    >>> one covering Windows 7. Could anyone please tell me where to go.

    >>
    >> alt.windows7.general but you won't find it on this server.

    >
    >
    > Please note that your use of the term "this server" isn't really
    > correct. What's "this" for you isn't "this" for all of us. For
    > example, you may be getting this newsgroup from a Microsoft server,
    > but I no longer am. I switched away from the Microsoft server several
    > weeks ago.


    Ken, do you have any insight as to why MS really decided to discontinue the
    newsgroups? What their real reason was (since they were so heavily used)?
     
  12. milt

    milt Flightless Bird

    On 7/4/2010 3:17 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
    > On Sun, 04 Jul 2010 13:39:12 -0500, milt
    > <theatreguy_dunspam_@miltsweb.com> wrote:
    >
    >> On 7/4/2010 8:02 AM, Peter Foldes wrote:
    >>> Kenny
    >>>
    >>> The al.windows7 newsgroup is a joke and a playground for some people
    >>> using obscenities and foul language when they fight among themselves.
    >>>

    >>
    >> Why, just because its not run by Microsoft?

    >
    >
    > No, that's not the reason, but what Peter says is largely true.
    > There's much more garbage there than anything useful.
    >
    >

    You're getting the forums confused with the newsgroup.

    >> Its a perfectly valid
    >> newsgroup to get help with Windows 7.

    >
    >
    > True. However the amount of garbage is staggering.
    >

    Not really, I don't see much garbage, however, trying to sort through
    all the noise on the forums is staggering.
    >
    >> At least someone is providing
    >> newsgroup help even if Microsoft is abandoning it.

    >
    >
    > Also true. But the ratio of help to garbage is very poor.
    >
    >


    Yeah, I guess the forums are better because its all about Win7 but its
    about the same 10 questions asked about 100 times and trying to find any
    helpful answers? Good luck with that. However, I'm sure as an MVP its
    your job to shuttle people to the forums and disregard any alternatives,
    especially ones that still show newsgroups as a viable alternative
    because that goes against what MS says.
     
  13. milt

    milt Flightless Bird

    On 7/4/2010 3:51 PM, Bill in Co wrote:
    >
    > Ken, do you have any insight as to why MS really decided to discontinue the
    > newsgroups? What their real reason was (since they were so heavily used)?
    >
    >


    Probably because the majority of their users don't know what a newsgroup is?
     
  14. Ken Blake, MVP

    Ken Blake, MVP Flightless Bird

    On Sun, 4 Jul 2010 14:51:08 -0600, "Bill in Co"
    <surly_curmudgeon@earthlink.net> wrote:

    > Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
    > > On Sun, 04 Jul 2010 13:37:41 -0500, milt
    > > <theatreguy_dunspam_@miltsweb.com> wrote:
    > >
    > >> On 7/4/2010 4:12 AM, Johnno wrote:
    > >>> I know I am in the wrong newsgroup but I haven't been able to locate
    > >>> one covering Windows 7. Could anyone please tell me where to go.
    > >>
    > >> alt.windows7.general but you won't find it on this server.

    > >
    > >
    > > Please note that your use of the term "this server" isn't really
    > > correct. What's "this" for you isn't "this" for all of us. For
    > > example, you may be getting this newsgroup from a Microsoft server,
    > > but I no longer am. I switched away from the Microsoft server several
    > > weeks ago.

    >
    > Ken, do you have any insight as to why MS really decided to discontinue the
    > newsgroups? What their real reason was (since they were so heavily used)?



    Insight? No.

    My guess is that at least part of the reason is that they wanted to
    have more control than they felt they could easily have in newsgroups.
    But that's just a guess.


    --
    Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003
    Please Reply to the Newsgroup
     
  15. Unknown

    Unknown Flightless Bird

    My guess would be cost. If you were the CEO would you continue paying for
    it?
    "Bill in Co" <surly_curmudgeon@earthlink.net> wrote in message
    news:6d2dnQnILb6gaa3RnZ2dnUVZ_tGdnZ2d@earthlink.com...
    > Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
    >> On Sun, 04 Jul 2010 13:37:41 -0500, milt
    >> <theatreguy_dunspam_@miltsweb.com> wrote:
    >>
    >>> On 7/4/2010 4:12 AM, Johnno wrote:
    >>>> I know I am in the wrong newsgroup but I haven't been able to locate
    >>>> one covering Windows 7. Could anyone please tell me where to go.
    >>>
    >>> alt.windows7.general but you won't find it on this server.

    >>
    >>
    >> Please note that your use of the term "this server" isn't really
    >> correct. What's "this" for you isn't "this" for all of us. For
    >> example, you may be getting this newsgroup from a Microsoft server,
    >> but I no longer am. I switched away from the Microsoft server several
    >> weeks ago.

    >
    > Ken, do you have any insight as to why MS really decided to discontinue
    > the newsgroups? What their real reason was (since they were so heavily
    > used)?
    >
     
  16. Ken Blake, MVP

    Ken Blake, MVP Flightless Bird

    On Sun, 04 Jul 2010 16:40:05 -0500, milt
    <theatreguy_dunspam_@miltsweb.com> wrote:

    > On 7/4/2010 3:17 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
    > > On Sun, 04 Jul 2010 13:39:12 -0500, milt
    > > <theatreguy_dunspam_@miltsweb.com> wrote:
    > >
    > >> On 7/4/2010 8:02 AM, Peter Foldes wrote:
    > >>> Kenny
    > >>>
    > >>> The al.windows7 newsgroup is a joke and a playground for some people
    > >>> using obscenities and foul language when they fight among themselves.
    > >>>
    > >>
    > >> Why, just because its not run by Microsoft?

    > >
    > >
    > > No, that's not the reason, but what Peter says is largely true.
    > > There's much more garbage there than anything useful.
    > >
    > >

    > You're getting the forums confused with the newsgroup.



    Not at all. Have you looked at the alt.windows7.general newsgroup
    recently? Unfortunately there is far more trolling there than real
    content.

    And unfortunately the trolls get answers and arguments rather than
    being ignored. If they would get ignored, as they should be, they
    would quickly get bored and stop trolling.


    > >> Its a perfectly valid
    > >> newsgroup to get help with Windows 7.

    > >
    > >
    > > True. However the amount of garbage is staggering.
    > >

    > Not really, I don't see much garbage, however, trying to sort through
    > all the noise on the forums is staggering.
    > >
    > >> At least someone is providing
    > >> newsgroup help even if Microsoft is abandoning it.

    > >
    > >
    > > Also true. But the ratio of help to garbage is very poor.
    > >
    > >

    >
    > Yeah, I guess the forums are better because its all about Win7 but its
    > about the same 10 questions asked about 100 times and trying to find any
    > helpful answers?



    Absolutely true. There are many things wrong with the forums and
    that's one of them. I am decidedly *not* in favor of everyone's
    changing to the Microsoft forums instead of the newsgroups.


    > Good luck with that. However, I'm sure as an MVP its
    > your job to shuttle people to the forums and disregard any alternatives,
    > especially ones that still show newsgroups as a viable alternative
    > because that goes against what MS says.



    That's completely wrong. I am *strongly* in favor of newsgroups rather
    than the Microsoft forums, not simply as a "viable alternative," but
    as a much better way to do this. In my view, Microsoft made a very bad
    mistake by trying to move everyone from newsgroups to web-based
    forums. I've even told that to Microsoft, but they weren't interested
    in my point of view. That's their choice, of course. They make the
    decisions, not me.

    Regarding newsgroups vs. forums, I don't know what my job is "as an
    MVP" and I don't care. I'm interested in helping people when I can,
    and doing it the way that I think is best. If Microsoft has a view of
    what's best that's different from mine, that's their prerogative, but
    they won't change my view simply because that's their view.

    I participate in the Microsoft web-based forums, the old
    still-remaining Microsoft newsgroups (like this one), and the
    alt.windows7.general newsgroup. But when I participate in the forums,
    I do it via the NNTP bridge, and use my Forté Agent newsreader rather
    than do it on the web because I can dramatically reduce how long it
    takes me that way. So to me, the forums are still (sort of)
    newsgroups.

    --
    Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003
    Please Reply to the Newsgroup
     
  17. SC Tom

    SC Tom Flightless Bird

    "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote in message
    news:t0823699m6q3a170ujk3f5vbrdcv8014jk@4ax.com...
    > On Sun, 04 Jul 2010 16:40:05 -0500, milt
    > <theatreguy_dunspam_@miltsweb.com> wrote:
    >
    >> On 7/4/2010 3:17 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
    >> > On Sun, 04 Jul 2010 13:39:12 -0500, milt
    >> > <theatreguy_dunspam_@miltsweb.com> wrote:
    >> >
    >> >> On 7/4/2010 8:02 AM, Peter Foldes wrote:
    >> >>> Kenny
    >> >>>
    >> >>> The al.windows7 newsgroup is a joke and a playground for some people
    >> >>> using obscenities and foul language when they fight among themselves.
    >> >>>
    >> >>
    >> >> Why, just because its not run by Microsoft?
    >> >
    >> >
    >> > No, that's not the reason, but what Peter says is largely true.
    >> > There's much more garbage there than anything useful.
    >> >
    >> >

    >> You're getting the forums confused with the newsgroup.

    >
    >
    > Not at all. Have you looked at the alt.windows7.general newsgroup
    > recently? Unfortunately there is far more trolling there than real
    > content.
    >
    > And unfortunately the trolls get answers and arguments rather than
    > being ignored. If they would get ignored, as they should be, they
    > would quickly get bored and stop trolling.
    >
    >
    >> >> Its a perfectly valid
    >> >> newsgroup to get help with Windows 7.
    >> >
    >> >
    >> > True. However the amount of garbage is staggering.
    >> >

    >> Not really, I don't see much garbage, however, trying to sort through
    >> all the noise on the forums is staggering.
    >> >
    >> >> At least someone is providing
    >> >> newsgroup help even if Microsoft is abandoning it.
    >> >
    >> >
    >> > Also true. But the ratio of help to garbage is very poor.
    >> >
    >> >

    >>
    >> Yeah, I guess the forums are better because its all about Win7 but its
    >> about the same 10 questions asked about 100 times and trying to find any
    >> helpful answers?

    >
    >
    > Absolutely true. There are many things wrong with the forums and
    > that's one of them. I am decidedly *not* in favor of everyone's
    > changing to the Microsoft forums instead of the newsgroups.
    >
    >
    >> Good luck with that. However, I'm sure as an MVP its
    >> your job to shuttle people to the forums and disregard any alternatives,
    >> especially ones that still show newsgroups as a viable alternative
    >> because that goes against what MS says.

    >
    >
    > That's completely wrong. I am *strongly* in favor of newsgroups rather
    > than the Microsoft forums, not simply as a "viable alternative," but
    > as a much better way to do this. In my view, Microsoft made a very bad
    > mistake by trying to move everyone from newsgroups to web-based
    > forums. I've even told that to Microsoft, but they weren't interested
    > in my point of view. That's their choice, of course. They make the
    > decisions, not me.
    >
    > Regarding newsgroups vs. forums, I don't know what my job is "as an
    > MVP" and I don't care. I'm interested in helping people when I can,
    > and doing it the way that I think is best. If Microsoft has a view of
    > what's best that's different from mine, that's their prerogative, but
    > they won't change my view simply because that's their view.
    >
    > I participate in the Microsoft web-based forums, the old
    > still-remaining Microsoft newsgroups (like this one), and the
    > alt.windows7.general newsgroup. But when I participate in the forums,
    > I do it via the NNTP bridge, and use my Forté Agent newsreader rather
    > than do it on the web because I can dramatically reduce how long it
    > takes me that way. So to me, the forums are still (sort of)
    > newsgroups.
    >
    > --
    > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003
    > Please Reply to the Newsgroup


    Well said, Ken.
    --
    SC Tom
     
  18. milt

    milt Flightless Bird

    On 7/4/2010 4:51 PM, Unknown wrote:
    > My guess would be cost. If you were the CEO would you continue paying for
    > it?


    When talking bandwidth, it was probably cheaper to run the NNTP server
    then it would be to run the forums on their webserver. More graphics and
    such on the website, more data transferred.
     
  19. Ken Blake, MVP

    Ken Blake, MVP Flightless Bird

    On Sun, 4 Jul 2010 22:14:06 -0400, "SC Tom" <sc@tom.net> wrote:


    > "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote in message
    > news:t0823699m6q3a170ujk3f5vbrdcv8014jk@4ax.com...


    > > Regarding newsgroups vs. forums, I don't know what my job is "as an
    > > MVP" and I don't care. I'm interested in helping people when I can,
    > > and doing it the way that I think is best. If Microsoft has a view of
    > > what's best that's different from mine, that's their prerogative, but
    > > they won't change my view simply because that's their view.
    > >
    > > I participate in the Microsoft web-based forums, the old
    > > still-remaining Microsoft newsgroups (like this one), and the
    > > alt.windows7.general newsgroup. But when I participate in the forums,
    > > I do it via the NNTP bridge, and use my Forté Agent newsreader rather
    > > than do it on the web because I can dramatically reduce how long it
    > > takes me that way. So to me, the forums are still (sort of)
    > > newsgroups.
    > >
    > > --
    > > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003
    > > Please Reply to the Newsgroup

    >
    > Well said, Ken.



    Thanks very much, Tom.

    --
    Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003
    Please Reply to the Newsgroup
     
  20. apistomaster(nospam)

    apistomaster(nospam) Flightless Bird

    The Microsoft Windows 7 forum is awful by any measure.
    I don't know anything about the monkey business that occurs onWin7
    newsgroup but I have never been disappointed in the large amount of
    the Ha Ha Herman games played on this newsgroup but I have gleaned
    much useful information by lurking here for years, Never did get
    around to setting up my news reader as someone usually points out
    because I use the web interface but I don't post often and this is the
    only news group I signed on for.

    The Official Microsoft Windows 7 forum is dissected into so many
    subforums and I have never found the answers I was seeking when I have
    tried it, You will sometimes see a Microsoft employee(presumably there
    on Microsoft's design) really help. If someone has a problem which is
    likely due to a flaw in Win 7 they never admit it. They usually cause
    that thread to "dry up". Not exactly locked just rendered meaningless.
    I guess that is what automatic updates from Microsoft are for?

    Another Windows 7 forum exists but is not sponsored by Microsoft. It
    seems to be subsidized by registry cleaning software makers.
    It it even more useless than the official forum.

    On the positive side, Windows 7 seems to be(at least for me) a pretty
    trouble free version of Windows. I have 2 new Win 7 Home Premium
    equipped laptops and one which is a XP Home Media edition. I am
    surprised how often I have been able to chew my way out of any paper
    bags Win 7 has put me in by my own devices. Often that is because of
    ideas I have absorbed from this XP newsgroup(how to solve problems is
    one of the greatest benefits of this news group), found an answer on
    Google or from David Pogue's book, Windows 7 Home Premium, the Missing
    Manual. I recommend that book over the Win 7 forums for those who
    still read books. I read a report about a study done comparing
    electronic readers like Kindle and actual books. The conclusion:
    Actual books are read at 10% faster rates than readers(virtual books).
    Trivia of the day.
     

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