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WINDOWS 7

J

Johnno

Flightless Bird
I know I am in the wrong newsgroup but I haven't been able to locate one
covering Windows 7. Could anyone please tell me where to go.
 
K

Kenny

Flightless Bird
Hope this helps.
news:alt.windows7.general

Kenny
"Johnno" <johnno@helpwanted> wrote in message
news:eBi0Xk1GLHA.552@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>I know I am in the wrong newsgroup but I haven't been able to locate one
>covering Windows 7. Could anyone please tell me where to go.
 
P

Peter Foldes

Flightless Bird
Kenny

The al.windows7 newsgroup is a joke and a playground for some people using
obscenities and foul language when they fight among themselves.

--
Peter

Please Reply to Newsgroup for the benefit of others
Requests for assistance by email can not and will not be acknowledged.
http://www.microsoft.com/protect

"Kenny" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:-Oza9Zp2GLHA.2276@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Hope this helps.
> news:alt.windows7.general
>
> Kenny
> "Johnno" <johnno@helpwanted> wrote in message
> news:eBi0Xk1GLHA.552@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>I know I am in the wrong newsgroup but I haven't been able to locate one covering
>>Windows 7. Could anyone please tell me where to go.

>
>
 
M

milt

Flightless Bird
On 7/4/2010 4:12 AM, Johnno wrote:
> I know I am in the wrong newsgroup but I haven't been able to locate
> one covering Windows 7. Could anyone please tell me where to go.


alt.windows7.general but you won't find it on this server.
 
M

milt

Flightless Bird
On 7/4/2010 8:02 AM, Peter Foldes wrote:
> Kenny
>
> The al.windows7 newsgroup is a joke and a playground for some people
> using obscenities and foul language when they fight among themselves.
>


Why, just because its not run by Microsoft? Its a perfectly valid
newsgroup to get help with Windows 7. At least someone is providing
newsgroup help even if Microsoft is abandoning it.
 
K

Ken Blake, MVP

Flightless Bird
On Sun, 04 Jul 2010 13:39:12 -0500, milt
<theatreguy_dunspam_@miltsweb.com> wrote:

> On 7/4/2010 8:02 AM, Peter Foldes wrote:
> > Kenny
> >
> > The al.windows7 newsgroup is a joke and a playground for some people
> > using obscenities and foul language when they fight among themselves.
> >

>
> Why, just because its not run by Microsoft?



No, that's not the reason, but what Peter says is largely true.
There's much more garbage there than anything useful.


> Its a perfectly valid
> newsgroup to get help with Windows 7.



True. However the amount of garbage is staggering.


> At least someone is providing
> newsgroup help even if Microsoft is abandoning it.



Also true. But the ratio of help to garbage is very poor.


--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003
Please Reply to the Newsgroup
 
K

Ken Blake, MVP

Flightless Bird
On Sun, 04 Jul 2010 13:37:41 -0500, milt
<theatreguy_dunspam_@miltsweb.com> wrote:

> On 7/4/2010 4:12 AM, Johnno wrote:
> > I know I am in the wrong newsgroup but I haven't been able to locate
> > one covering Windows 7. Could anyone please tell me where to go.

>
> alt.windows7.general but you won't find it on this server.



Please note that your use of the term "this server" isn't really
correct. What's "this" for you isn't "this" for all of us. For
example, you may be getting this newsgroup from a Microsoft server,
but I no longer am. I switched away from the Microsoft server several
weeks ago.

--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003
Please Reply to the Newsgroup
 
A

Antonio Celso

Flightless Bird
access the newsgroup alt.windows7.general by the server nntp.aioe.org

"Johnno" <johnno@helpwanted> escreveu na notícia da
mensagem:eBi0Xk1GLHA.552@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> I know I am in the wrong newsgroup but I haven't been able to locate one
> covering Windows 7. Could anyone please tell me where to go.
 
B

Bill in Co

Flightless Bird
Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
> On Sun, 04 Jul 2010 13:37:41 -0500, milt
> <theatreguy_dunspam_@miltsweb.com> wrote:
>
>> On 7/4/2010 4:12 AM, Johnno wrote:
>>> I know I am in the wrong newsgroup but I haven't been able to locate
>>> one covering Windows 7. Could anyone please tell me where to go.

>>
>> alt.windows7.general but you won't find it on this server.

>
>
> Please note that your use of the term "this server" isn't really
> correct. What's "this" for you isn't "this" for all of us. For
> example, you may be getting this newsgroup from a Microsoft server,
> but I no longer am. I switched away from the Microsoft server several
> weeks ago.


Ken, do you have any insight as to why MS really decided to discontinue the
newsgroups? What their real reason was (since they were so heavily used)?
 
M

milt

Flightless Bird
On 7/4/2010 3:17 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
> On Sun, 04 Jul 2010 13:39:12 -0500, milt
> <theatreguy_dunspam_@miltsweb.com> wrote:
>
>> On 7/4/2010 8:02 AM, Peter Foldes wrote:
>>> Kenny
>>>
>>> The al.windows7 newsgroup is a joke and a playground for some people
>>> using obscenities and foul language when they fight among themselves.
>>>

>>
>> Why, just because its not run by Microsoft?

>
>
> No, that's not the reason, but what Peter says is largely true.
> There's much more garbage there than anything useful.
>
>

You're getting the forums confused with the newsgroup.

>> Its a perfectly valid
>> newsgroup to get help with Windows 7.

>
>
> True. However the amount of garbage is staggering.
>

Not really, I don't see much garbage, however, trying to sort through
all the noise on the forums is staggering.
>
>> At least someone is providing
>> newsgroup help even if Microsoft is abandoning it.

>
>
> Also true. But the ratio of help to garbage is very poor.
>
>


Yeah, I guess the forums are better because its all about Win7 but its
about the same 10 questions asked about 100 times and trying to find any
helpful answers? Good luck with that. However, I'm sure as an MVP its
your job to shuttle people to the forums and disregard any alternatives,
especially ones that still show newsgroups as a viable alternative
because that goes against what MS says.
 
M

milt

Flightless Bird
On 7/4/2010 3:51 PM, Bill in Co wrote:
>
> Ken, do you have any insight as to why MS really decided to discontinue the
> newsgroups? What their real reason was (since they were so heavily used)?
>
>


Probably because the majority of their users don't know what a newsgroup is?
 
K

Ken Blake, MVP

Flightless Bird
On Sun, 4 Jul 2010 14:51:08 -0600, "Bill in Co"
<surly_curmudgeon@earthlink.net> wrote:

> Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
> > On Sun, 04 Jul 2010 13:37:41 -0500, milt
> > <theatreguy_dunspam_@miltsweb.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 7/4/2010 4:12 AM, Johnno wrote:
> >>> I know I am in the wrong newsgroup but I haven't been able to locate
> >>> one covering Windows 7. Could anyone please tell me where to go.
> >>
> >> alt.windows7.general but you won't find it on this server.

> >
> >
> > Please note that your use of the term "this server" isn't really
> > correct. What's "this" for you isn't "this" for all of us. For
> > example, you may be getting this newsgroup from a Microsoft server,
> > but I no longer am. I switched away from the Microsoft server several
> > weeks ago.

>
> Ken, do you have any insight as to why MS really decided to discontinue the
> newsgroups? What their real reason was (since they were so heavily used)?



Insight? No.

My guess is that at least part of the reason is that they wanted to
have more control than they felt they could easily have in newsgroups.
But that's just a guess.


--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003
Please Reply to the Newsgroup
 
U

Unknown

Flightless Bird
My guess would be cost. If you were the CEO would you continue paying for
it?
"Bill in Co" <surly_curmudgeon@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:6d2dnQnILb6gaa3RnZ2dnUVZ_tGdnZ2d@earthlink.com...
> Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
>> On Sun, 04 Jul 2010 13:37:41 -0500, milt
>> <theatreguy_dunspam_@miltsweb.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 7/4/2010 4:12 AM, Johnno wrote:
>>>> I know I am in the wrong newsgroup but I haven't been able to locate
>>>> one covering Windows 7. Could anyone please tell me where to go.
>>>
>>> alt.windows7.general but you won't find it on this server.

>>
>>
>> Please note that your use of the term "this server" isn't really
>> correct. What's "this" for you isn't "this" for all of us. For
>> example, you may be getting this newsgroup from a Microsoft server,
>> but I no longer am. I switched away from the Microsoft server several
>> weeks ago.

>
> Ken, do you have any insight as to why MS really decided to discontinue
> the newsgroups? What their real reason was (since they were so heavily
> used)?
>
 
K

Ken Blake, MVP

Flightless Bird
On Sun, 04 Jul 2010 16:40:05 -0500, milt
<theatreguy_dunspam_@miltsweb.com> wrote:

> On 7/4/2010 3:17 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
> > On Sun, 04 Jul 2010 13:39:12 -0500, milt
> > <theatreguy_dunspam_@miltsweb.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 7/4/2010 8:02 AM, Peter Foldes wrote:
> >>> Kenny
> >>>
> >>> The al.windows7 newsgroup is a joke and a playground for some people
> >>> using obscenities and foul language when they fight among themselves.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Why, just because its not run by Microsoft?

> >
> >
> > No, that's not the reason, but what Peter says is largely true.
> > There's much more garbage there than anything useful.
> >
> >

> You're getting the forums confused with the newsgroup.



Not at all. Have you looked at the alt.windows7.general newsgroup
recently? Unfortunately there is far more trolling there than real
content.

And unfortunately the trolls get answers and arguments rather than
being ignored. If they would get ignored, as they should be, they
would quickly get bored and stop trolling.


> >> Its a perfectly valid
> >> newsgroup to get help with Windows 7.

> >
> >
> > True. However the amount of garbage is staggering.
> >

> Not really, I don't see much garbage, however, trying to sort through
> all the noise on the forums is staggering.
> >
> >> At least someone is providing
> >> newsgroup help even if Microsoft is abandoning it.

> >
> >
> > Also true. But the ratio of help to garbage is very poor.
> >
> >

>
> Yeah, I guess the forums are better because its all about Win7 but its
> about the same 10 questions asked about 100 times and trying to find any
> helpful answers?



Absolutely true. There are many things wrong with the forums and
that's one of them. I am decidedly *not* in favor of everyone's
changing to the Microsoft forums instead of the newsgroups.


> Good luck with that. However, I'm sure as an MVP its
> your job to shuttle people to the forums and disregard any alternatives,
> especially ones that still show newsgroups as a viable alternative
> because that goes against what MS says.



That's completely wrong. I am *strongly* in favor of newsgroups rather
than the Microsoft forums, not simply as a "viable alternative," but
as a much better way to do this. In my view, Microsoft made a very bad
mistake by trying to move everyone from newsgroups to web-based
forums. I've even told that to Microsoft, but they weren't interested
in my point of view. That's their choice, of course. They make the
decisions, not me.

Regarding newsgroups vs. forums, I don't know what my job is "as an
MVP" and I don't care. I'm interested in helping people when I can,
and doing it the way that I think is best. If Microsoft has a view of
what's best that's different from mine, that's their prerogative, but
they won't change my view simply because that's their view.

I participate in the Microsoft web-based forums, the old
still-remaining Microsoft newsgroups (like this one), and the
alt.windows7.general newsgroup. But when I participate in the forums,
I do it via the NNTP bridge, and use my Forté Agent newsreader rather
than do it on the web because I can dramatically reduce how long it
takes me that way. So to me, the forums are still (sort of)
newsgroups.

--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003
Please Reply to the Newsgroup
 
S

SC Tom

Flightless Bird
"Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote in message
news:t0823699m6q3a170ujk3f5vbrdcv8014jk@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 04 Jul 2010 16:40:05 -0500, milt
> <theatreguy_dunspam_@miltsweb.com> wrote:
>
>> On 7/4/2010 3:17 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
>> > On Sun, 04 Jul 2010 13:39:12 -0500, milt
>> > <theatreguy_dunspam_@miltsweb.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On 7/4/2010 8:02 AM, Peter Foldes wrote:
>> >>> Kenny
>> >>>
>> >>> The al.windows7 newsgroup is a joke and a playground for some people
>> >>> using obscenities and foul language when they fight among themselves.
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> Why, just because its not run by Microsoft?
>> >
>> >
>> > No, that's not the reason, but what Peter says is largely true.
>> > There's much more garbage there than anything useful.
>> >
>> >

>> You're getting the forums confused with the newsgroup.

>
>
> Not at all. Have you looked at the alt.windows7.general newsgroup
> recently? Unfortunately there is far more trolling there than real
> content.
>
> And unfortunately the trolls get answers and arguments rather than
> being ignored. If they would get ignored, as they should be, they
> would quickly get bored and stop trolling.
>
>
>> >> Its a perfectly valid
>> >> newsgroup to get help with Windows 7.
>> >
>> >
>> > True. However the amount of garbage is staggering.
>> >

>> Not really, I don't see much garbage, however, trying to sort through
>> all the noise on the forums is staggering.
>> >
>> >> At least someone is providing
>> >> newsgroup help even if Microsoft is abandoning it.
>> >
>> >
>> > Also true. But the ratio of help to garbage is very poor.
>> >
>> >

>>
>> Yeah, I guess the forums are better because its all about Win7 but its
>> about the same 10 questions asked about 100 times and trying to find any
>> helpful answers?

>
>
> Absolutely true. There are many things wrong with the forums and
> that's one of them. I am decidedly *not* in favor of everyone's
> changing to the Microsoft forums instead of the newsgroups.
>
>
>> Good luck with that. However, I'm sure as an MVP its
>> your job to shuttle people to the forums and disregard any alternatives,
>> especially ones that still show newsgroups as a viable alternative
>> because that goes against what MS says.

>
>
> That's completely wrong. I am *strongly* in favor of newsgroups rather
> than the Microsoft forums, not simply as a "viable alternative," but
> as a much better way to do this. In my view, Microsoft made a very bad
> mistake by trying to move everyone from newsgroups to web-based
> forums. I've even told that to Microsoft, but they weren't interested
> in my point of view. That's their choice, of course. They make the
> decisions, not me.
>
> Regarding newsgroups vs. forums, I don't know what my job is "as an
> MVP" and I don't care. I'm interested in helping people when I can,
> and doing it the way that I think is best. If Microsoft has a view of
> what's best that's different from mine, that's their prerogative, but
> they won't change my view simply because that's their view.
>
> I participate in the Microsoft web-based forums, the old
> still-remaining Microsoft newsgroups (like this one), and the
> alt.windows7.general newsgroup. But when I participate in the forums,
> I do it via the NNTP bridge, and use my Forté Agent newsreader rather
> than do it on the web because I can dramatically reduce how long it
> takes me that way. So to me, the forums are still (sort of)
> newsgroups.
>
> --
> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003
> Please Reply to the Newsgroup


Well said, Ken.
--
SC Tom
 
M

milt

Flightless Bird
On 7/4/2010 4:51 PM, Unknown wrote:
> My guess would be cost. If you were the CEO would you continue paying for
> it?


When talking bandwidth, it was probably cheaper to run the NNTP server
then it would be to run the forums on their webserver. More graphics and
such on the website, more data transferred.
 
K

Ken Blake, MVP

Flightless Bird
On Sun, 4 Jul 2010 22:14:06 -0400, "SC Tom" <sc@tom.net> wrote:


> "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote in message
> news:t0823699m6q3a170ujk3f5vbrdcv8014jk@4ax.com...


> > Regarding newsgroups vs. forums, I don't know what my job is "as an
> > MVP" and I don't care. I'm interested in helping people when I can,
> > and doing it the way that I think is best. If Microsoft has a view of
> > what's best that's different from mine, that's their prerogative, but
> > they won't change my view simply because that's their view.
> >
> > I participate in the Microsoft web-based forums, the old
> > still-remaining Microsoft newsgroups (like this one), and the
> > alt.windows7.general newsgroup. But when I participate in the forums,
> > I do it via the NNTP bridge, and use my Forté Agent newsreader rather
> > than do it on the web because I can dramatically reduce how long it
> > takes me that way. So to me, the forums are still (sort of)
> > newsgroups.
> >
> > --
> > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003
> > Please Reply to the Newsgroup

>
> Well said, Ken.



Thanks very much, Tom.

--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003
Please Reply to the Newsgroup
 
A

apistomaster(nospam)

Flightless Bird
The Microsoft Windows 7 forum is awful by any measure.
I don't know anything about the monkey business that occurs onWin7
newsgroup but I have never been disappointed in the large amount of
the Ha Ha Herman games played on this newsgroup but I have gleaned
much useful information by lurking here for years, Never did get
around to setting up my news reader as someone usually points out
because I use the web interface but I don't post often and this is the
only news group I signed on for.

The Official Microsoft Windows 7 forum is dissected into so many
subforums and I have never found the answers I was seeking when I have
tried it, You will sometimes see a Microsoft employee(presumably there
on Microsoft's design) really help. If someone has a problem which is
likely due to a flaw in Win 7 they never admit it. They usually cause
that thread to "dry up". Not exactly locked just rendered meaningless.
I guess that is what automatic updates from Microsoft are for?

Another Windows 7 forum exists but is not sponsored by Microsoft. It
seems to be subsidized by registry cleaning software makers.
It it even more useless than the official forum.

On the positive side, Windows 7 seems to be(at least for me) a pretty
trouble free version of Windows. I have 2 new Win 7 Home Premium
equipped laptops and one which is a XP Home Media edition. I am
surprised how often I have been able to chew my way out of any paper
bags Win 7 has put me in by my own devices. Often that is because of
ideas I have absorbed from this XP newsgroup(how to solve problems is
one of the greatest benefits of this news group), found an answer on
Google or from David Pogue's book, Windows 7 Home Premium, the Missing
Manual. I recommend that book over the Win 7 forums for those who
still read books. I read a report about a study done comparing
electronic readers like Kindle and actual books. The conclusion:
Actual books are read at 10% faster rates than readers(virtual books).
Trivia of the day.
 
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