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Window defender missing?

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Cal Who

Flightless Bird
"Daave" <daave@example.com> wrote in message
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>
> Cal Who wrote:
>> Now I need a replacement for Windows Live OneCare registry cleaner!
>
> Actually, you *don't* need a replacement for it. ;-)
>
> Registry cleaners offer no appreciable performance benefit and can
> sometimes even damage your system.
>
I'm convinced now.

Going to stay away from Registry cleaners.

Thanks
 
B

Bruce Hagen

Flightless Bird
" Cal Who" <CalWhoNOSPAM@roadrunner.com> wrote in message
news:i0ikv8$nv2$1@news.eternal-september.org...

>> MSE replaced OneCare, WD did not.
>>
>> Why on earth would you want to use a registry cleaner? There are plenty
>> of free ones out there, but read this before running a registry cleaner
>> and then take your chances.
>> http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?t=28099
>> --
>> Bruce Hagen
>> MS-MVP [Mail]
>> Imperial Beach, CA
>>
>
>
> I'm convinced. I did just run OneCare after removing AVG and it did find
> two AVG entries that it deleted.
>
> That has been my experience in the past. I.E., It found many entries
> that I know should not be there. After getting rid of a Symatic program
> once I removed hundreds (with a different program).
>
> And I like neatness so it bothers me to have a file full of junk.
>
> But I'm sure if it screwed up my SQL Server or VS 2010 I be a bit
> unhappy.
>
> So I.m just not going to think about the junk that may be in those files
> from now on, bite my lip, and leave well enough alone.
>
>
> Thanks
>


Little bits and pieces of previous programs in the registry usually don't
cause a problem. However, getting rid of AV programs entirely should be
considered. Rather than a registry cleaner, there are specific programs
for this. Here are some.

Norton Removal Tool
http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT/tsgeninfo.nsf/docid/2005033108162039

App Remover
http://www.technibble.com/appremover-repair-tool-of-the-week/

AppRemover is a small, free and portable utility designed to be a single
removal tool for a huge list of security products. It can remove products
made by Avast!, AVG, Avira, BullGuard, CA, ClamWin, ESET, F-Secure,
Kaspersky, Lavasoft, McAfee, Microsoft, Norman, Panda, Sophos, Symantec,
TrendMicro, TrustPort, Webroot and many more.

AppRemover Supported Applications
http://www.appremover.com/supported-applications
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP [Mail]
Imperial Beach, CA
 
P

PA Bear [MS MVP]

Flightless Bird
Cal Who wrote:
> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:uF3mYyTGLHA.1716@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> Cal Who wrote:
>>>> What anti-virus application or security suite is installed and is your
>>>> subscription current?
>>>
>>> AVG...
>>
>> Like most current AV apps which include an anti-spyware component,
>> installing AVG disables Defender by default.
>>
>> cf. http://www.avg.com/us-en/faq.num-2672
>> --
>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002
>
> Who knew? Well you guys did but not me.

YW. You coulda ask about this in...

AVG Free Suport Forum
http://freeforum.avg.com/
 
P

PA Bear [MS MVP]

Flightless Bird
Cal Who wrote:
>>>> MSE includes the properties of Windows Defender, but MSE is not a
>>>> replacement unless you are running MSE.
>>>
>>> I just installed MSE and wonder what yourlast comment means. Do I have
>>> to
>>> manully run it sometime. I believe it is scheduled to run by itself. I
>>> did
>>> not change any of the settings?
>>
>> In Vista & Win7, installing MSE disables Defender by default.
>>
>> In WinXP with Defender installed, installing MSE will remove it.
>
> That clears that up! I have XP.
>
> I wonder if I could sneak one more question in here.
>
> I believe Defender also replaces Windows Live OneCare (been reading the
> Internet).
>
> I didn't have a subscription but used it ocasionally to clean the
> registry.
>
> Am I now in a position where there is no free ms Registry cleaner?

Where to begin?

You may have run Windows Live OneCare Safety Center "Full Service" online
scan but you did not install OneCare without paying for it.

Those currently running OneCare might consider replacing OneCare with
Microsoft Security Essentials BEFORE their current subscription expires.

Finally, if you ever think your Registry needs to be cleaned, repaired,
boosted, tuned-up, cured, tweaked, fixed, or optimized (it doesn't), read
http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?t=28099 and draw your own conclusions.
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002
 
K

Ken Blake, MVP

Flightless Bird
On Thu, 1 Jul 2010 13:24:11 -0400, " Cal Who"
<CalWhoNOSPAM@roadrunner.com> wrote:


> Now I need a replacement for Windows Live OneCare registry cleaner!



I *strongly* recommend against this. You should run *no* registry
cleaner.

Registry cleaning programs are *all* snake oil. Cleaning of the
registry isn't needed and is dangerous. Leave the registry alone and
don't use any registry cleaner. Despite what many people think, and
what vendors of registry cleaning software try to convince you of,
having unused registry entries doesn't really hurt you.

The risk of a serious problem caused by a registry cleaner erroneously
removing an entry you need is far greater than any potential benefit
it may have.

Read http://www.edbott.com/weblog/archives/000643.html

And also
http://blogs.technet.com/markrussin.../02/registry-junk-a-windows-fact-of-life.aspx

Let me point out that neither I nor anyone else who warns against the
use of registry cleaners has ever said that they always cause
problems. If they always caused problems, they would disappear from
the market almost immediately. Many people have used a registry
cleaner and never had a problem with it.

Rather, the problem with a registry cleaner is that it carries with it
the substantial *risk* of having a problem. And since there is no
benefit to using a registry cleaner, running that risk is a very bad
bargain.

--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003
Please Reply to the Newsgroup
 
C

Cal Who

Flightless Bird
"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ewtQpNWGLHA.5500@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Cal Who wrote:
>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:uF3mYyTGLHA.1716@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>> Cal Who wrote:
>>>>> What anti-virus application or security suite is installed and is your
>>>>> subscription current?
>>>>
>>>> AVG...
>>>
>>> Like most current AV apps which include an anti-spyware component,
>>> installing AVG disables Defender by default.
>>>
>>> cf. http://www.avg.com/us-en/faq.num-2672
>>> --
>>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
>>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002
>>
>> Who knew? Well you guys did but not me.
>
> YW. You coulda ask about this in...
>
> AVG Free Suport Forum
> http://freeforum.avg.com/

If I knew the question back then.

Thanks for the help
 
C

Cal Who

Flightless Bird
"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ut$hpNWGLHA.5500@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Cal Who wrote:
>>>>> MSE includes the properties of Windows Defender, but MSE is not a
>>>>> replacement unless you are running MSE.
>>>>
>>>> I just installed MSE and wonder what yourlast comment means. Do I have
>>>> to
>>>> manully run it sometime. I believe it is scheduled to run by itself. I
>>>> did
>>>> not change any of the settings?
>>>
>>> In Vista & Win7, installing MSE disables Defender by default.
>>>
>>> In WinXP with Defender installed, installing MSE will remove it.
>>
>> That clears that up! I have XP.
>>
>> I wonder if I could sneak one more question in here.
>>
>> I believe Defender also replaces Windows Live OneCare (been reading the
>> Internet).
>>
>> I didn't have a subscription but used it ocasionally to clean the
>> registry.
>>
>> Am I now in a position where there is no free ms Registry cleaner?
>
> Where to begin?
>
> You may have run Windows Live OneCare Safety Center "Full Service" online
> scan but you did not install OneCare without paying for it.
>
> Those currently running OneCare might consider replacing OneCare with
> Microsoft Security Essentials BEFORE their current subscription expires.
>
> Finally, if you ever think your Registry needs to be cleaned, repaired,
> boosted, tuned-up, cured, tweaked, fixed, or optimized (it doesn't), read
> http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?t=28099 and draw your own conclusions.
> --
> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002
I don't need to read it. I'm already convinced.

Thanks
 
C

Cal Who

Flightless Bird
"Daave" <daave@example.com> wrote in message
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> Cal Who wrote:
>> "VanguardLH" <V@nguard.LH> wrote in message
>> news:i0id5h$bih$1@news.albasani.net...
>>> Cal Who wrote:
>>>
>>>> VanguardLH wrote ...
>>>>
>>>>> Cal Who wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't have any evidence of Window Defender on my machine.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, did YOU ever bother to actually *install* it? If you want
>>>>> it on your computer than YOU will have to install it.
>>>>
>>>> I let MS automatically update my machine. Is it any good and for
>>>> some reason
>>>> not automatically install? If so, do you know why that is so?
>>>
>>> *YOU* will have to install WD or MSE. Automatic Updates won't do it.
>>
>>
>> I understand that but I think my question was about why MS does not
>> include it in the auto installation process.
>
> MS stands for Microsoft.
>
> Microsoft, among other things, sells operating systems.
>
> The operating systems are all called Windows.
>
> Windows XP does not include Windows Defender becuase it predates Windows
> Defender. Windows Defender didn't exist in 2002!
>
> Windows Vista does include Windows Defender.
>
> Hope that clears things up!
>

Thanks
 
C

Cal Who

Flightless Bird
"Bruce Hagen" <BRH@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
news:i0ilpi$ro1$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>
> " Cal Who" <CalWhoNOSPAM@roadrunner.com> wrote in message
> news:i0ikv8$nv2$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>
>>> MSE replaced OneCare, WD did not.
>>>
>>> Why on earth would you want to use a registry cleaner? There are plenty
>>> of free ones out there, but read this before running a registry cleaner
>>> and then take your chances.
>>> http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?t=28099
>>> --
>>> Bruce Hagen
>>> MS-MVP [Mail]
>>> Imperial Beach, CA
>>>
>>
>>
>> I'm convinced. I did just run OneCare after removing AVG and it did find
>> two AVG entries that it deleted.
>>
>> That has been my experience in the past. I.E., It found many entries that
>> I know should not be there. After getting rid of a Symatic program once I
>> removed hundreds (with a different program).
>>
>> And I like neatness so it bothers me to have a file full of junk.
>>
>> But I'm sure if it screwed up my SQL Server or VS 2010 I be a bit
>> unhappy.
>>
>> So I.m just not going to think about the junk that may be in those files
>> from now on, bite my lip, and leave well enough alone.
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>
>
> Little bits and pieces of previous programs in the registry usually don't
> cause a problem. However, getting rid of AV programs entirely should be
> considered. Rather than a registry cleaner, there are specific programs
> for this. Here are some.
>
> Norton Removal Tool
> http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT/tsgeninfo.nsf/docid/2005033108162039
>
> App Remover
> http://www.technibble.com/appremover-repair-tool-of-the-week/
>
> AppRemover is a small, free and portable utility designed to be a single
> removal tool for a huge list of security products. It can remove products
> made by Avast!, AVG, Avira, BullGuard, CA, ClamWin, ESET, F-Secure,
> Kaspersky, Lavasoft, McAfee, Microsoft, Norman, Panda, Sophos, Symantec,
> TrendMicro, TrustPort, Webroot and many more.
>
> AppRemover Supported Applications
> http://www.appremover.com/supported-applications
> --
> Bruce Hagen
> MS-MVP [Mail]
> Imperial Beach, CA
>

I ran it and it didn't find anything.
I'm going to leave the registry alone from now on.

Thanks


>
 
C

Cal Who

Flightless Bird
"Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote in message
news:mq2q26lgjiobv1npvulfp0oaeigkavmtds@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 1 Jul 2010 13:24:11 -0400, " Cal Who"
> <CalWhoNOSPAM@roadrunner.com> wrote:
>
>
>> Now I need a replacement for Windows Live OneCare registry cleaner!
>
>
>
> I *strongly* recommend against this. You should run *no* registry
> cleaner.
>
> Registry cleaning programs are *all* snake oil. Cleaning of the
> registry isn't needed and is dangerous. Leave the registry alone and
> don't use any registry cleaner. Despite what many people think, and
> what vendors of registry cleaning software try to convince you of,
> having unused registry entries doesn't really hurt you.
>
> The risk of a serious problem caused by a registry cleaner erroneously
> removing an entry you need is far greater than any potential benefit
> it may have.
>
> Read http://www.edbott.com/weblog/archives/000643.html
>
> And also
> http://blogs.technet.com/markrussin.../02/registry-junk-a-windows-fact-of-life.aspx
>
> Let me point out that neither I nor anyone else who warns against the
> use of registry cleaners has ever said that they always cause
> problems. If they always caused problems, they would disappear from
> the market almost immediately. Many people have used a registry
> cleaner and never had a problem with it.
>
> Rather, the problem with a registry cleaner is that it carries with it
> the substantial *risk* of having a problem. And since there is no
> benefit to using a registry cleaner, running that risk is a very bad
> bargain.
>
> --
> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003
> Please Reply to the Newsgroup

Thanks you, I've made up my mind not to use one (again).
 
K

Ken Blake, MVP

Flightless Bird
On Thu, 1 Jul 2010 20:59:22 -0400, " Cal Who"
<CalWhoNOSPAM@roadrunner.com> wrote:

>
> "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote in message
> news:mq2q26lgjiobv1npvulfp0oaeigkavmtds@4ax.com...
> > On Thu, 1 Jul 2010 13:24:11 -0400, " Cal Who"
> > <CalWhoNOSPAM@roadrunner.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Now I need a replacement for Windows Live OneCare registry cleaner!
> >
> >
> >
> > I *strongly* recommend against this. You should run *no* registry
> > cleaner.
> >
> > Registry cleaning programs are *all* snake oil. Cleaning of the
> > registry isn't needed and is dangerous. Leave the registry alone and
> > don't use any registry cleaner. Despite what many people think, and
> > what vendors of registry cleaning software try to convince you of,
> > having unused registry entries doesn't really hurt you.
> >
> > The risk of a serious problem caused by a registry cleaner erroneously
> > removing an entry you need is far greater than any potential benefit
> > it may have.
> >
> > Read http://www.edbott.com/weblog/archives/000643.html
> >
> > And also
> > http://blogs.technet.com/markrussin.../02/registry-junk-a-windows-fact-of-life.aspx
> >
> > Let me point out that neither I nor anyone else who warns against the
> > use of registry cleaners has ever said that they always cause
> > problems. If they always caused problems, they would disappear from
> > the market almost immediately. Many people have used a registry
> > cleaner and never had a problem with it.
> >
> > Rather, the problem with a registry cleaner is that it carries with it
> > the substantial *risk* of having a problem. And since there is no
> > benefit to using a registry cleaner, running that risk is a very bad
> > bargain.
> >
> > --
> > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003
> > Please Reply to the Newsgroup
>
> Thanks you, I've made up my mind not to use one (again).

You're welcome. Glad to help.

--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003
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