Window defender missing?

[Cal Who]

"Bruce Hagen" <BRH@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
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> " Cal Who" <CalWhoNOSPAM@roadrunner.com> wrote in message
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>> "Donald Anadell" <danadell@nospamersmikrotec.com> wrote in message
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>>> " Cal Who" <CalWhoNOSPAM@roadrunner.com> wrote in message
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>>>> " Cal Who" <CalWhoNOSPAM@roadrunner.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:i0gv03$avf$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>>I don't have any evidence of Window Defender on my machine.
>>>>> My Start/All Programs does not contain it.
>>>>> I opened Control panelAdd Remove Programs to see if it is mentioned
>>>>> there - it isn't.
>>>>>
>>>>> Shouldn't it appear some place - I like to check if it is really
>>>>> installed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank
>>>>>
>>>> I wonder if you can do me a favor and let me know one thing:
>>>>
>>>> If installed does it show up in the control panel list of programs that
>>>> can be removed?
>>>
>>> Yes, and Yes. It should be listed in Add\Remove Programs as "Windows
>>> Defender"
>>>
>>>>
>>>> If not, how can I check to se if it is installed?
>>>
>>> In the Run box type(or copy and paste) the following:
>>>
>>> CProgram Files\Windows Defender\MSASCui.exe
>>>
>>> If it's installed this will open the Windows Defender interface.
>>>
>>> Good luck,
>>>
>>> Donald Anadell
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Thanks, Guess I don't have it.
>> I always thought I did because I get some kind of MS security up dates
>> periodically like they were virus signatures.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>
>
> WD is not an automatic update.


It's not the first time I guessed wrong.

How does the typical MS user learn about such MS offering as Defender?


Thanks




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> Bruce Hagen
> MS-MVP [Mail]
> Imperial Beach, CA
>

 

[Bruce Hagen]

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> "Bruce Hagen" <BRH@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
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>> "VanguardLH" <V@nguard.LH> wrote in message
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>>> Bruce Hagen wrote:
>>>
>>>> VanguardLH wrote ...
>>>>
>>>>> Cal Who wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Also, Windows Defender is dead. It was replaced with Microsoft
>>>>> Security
>>>>> Essentials (MSE).
>>>>
>>>> MSE includes the properties of Windows Defender, but MSE is not a
>>>> replacement unless you are running MSE. When using an AV other than
>>>> MSE
>>>> like Avast, AVG, etc, Windows Defender is still alive and well with
>>>> continuous updating.
>>>
>>> The OP said they don't have Windows Defender. Why would you suggest
>>> installing WD when MSE is its replacement (includes WD plus the AV)?
>>> What they should get now is MSE, not Windows Defender.
>>>
>>> http://www.microsoft.com/security/default.aspx
>>>
>>> Going to:
>>>
>>> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/en/default.aspx
>>>
>>> and searching on Windows Defender finds the following download page:
>>>
>>> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/en/default.aspx
>>>
>>> So it's still available for download. The lifecycle page at:
>>>
>>> http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?p1=11952
>>>
>>> says it doesn't go dead for about another 2 years. So I was wrong
>>> thinking WD is officially dead. Does seem pointless to install WD
>>> when
>>> MSE is available. Yes, you could install WD along with a 3rd party AV
>>> but then you obviate the need for WD if you install a 3rd party AV.
>>> It
>>> has been maybe a decade since any AV program only detected viruses.
>>
>>
>> The OP did not say WD was not installed, he said he couldn't find it. I
>> asked if MSE was installed because on some Windows Versions, installing
>> MSE actually removes WD.
>>
>> Should they get MSE? Sure. Why not? But they need to know they must to
>> remove their current AV program and most people are reluctant to do
>> that especially if they just paid for their current AV program.
>> --
>> Bruce Hagen
>> MS-MVP [Mail]
>> Imperial Beach, CA
>>
>
>
> Do you recommend that I remove AVG 9 now that I have MSE.
>
> Is MS supplying a AV program free?
>
> I think the default MSE schedule is to run once a week the quick
> version.
>
> Is that enough?
>
> Does it check e-mail and other things in real time like AVG does?
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks



MSE does all and more than AVG free and is also freeware. It is an
Anti-Virus, Anti-Spam and Anti-Malware program all in one.

I have mine set to do a quick scan once a week myself. I don't even notice
it did it if I don't check the log. (IOW, very un-intrusive).

MSE does not contain e-mail scanning in the same form of other AV
programs, but is always protecting you from malicious e-mail as well as
any program. It does have real-time protection on all your files,
including temp files where attachments may be opened to.

E-mail scanning is not needed in ant e-mail program and is often the cause
of problems rather than a cure.

<canned>

Turn off e-mail scanning in your anti-virus program. It is a redundant
layer of protection that eats up CPUs, slows down sending and receiving,
and causes a multitude of problems such as time-outs, account setting
changes and has even been responsible for loss of messages. Your
up-to-date A/V program will continue to protect you sufficiently. For
more, see:
http://www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#3

Why you don't need your anti-virus to scan your email
http://thundercloud.net/infoave/tutorials/email-scanning/index.htm

--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP [Mail]
Imperial Beach, CA

 

[Bruce Hagen]

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> "Bruce Hagen" <BRH@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
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>> " Cal Who" <CalWhoNOSPAM@roadrunner.com> wrote in message
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>>> "Bruce Hagen" <BRH@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
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>>>> "VanguardLH" <V@nguard.LH> wrote in message
>>>> news:i0h70g$ehu$1@news.albasani.net...
>>>>> Cal Who wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Also, Windows Defender is dead. It was replaced with Microsoft
>>>>> Security
>>>>> Essentials (MSE).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> MSE includes the properties of Windows Defender, but MSE is not a
>>>> replacement unless you are running MSE.
>>>
>>> I just installed MSE and wonder what yourlast comment means. Do I have
>>> to manully run it sometime. I believe it is scheduled to run by
>>> itself. I did not change any of the settings?
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>
>>
>> MSE includes Windows Defender. Like any other AV program, MSE runs in
>> the background all the time. You can set a scheduled scan if you wish,
>> but it is no more or less needed than a scheduled scan with any AV
>> program
>> --
>> Bruce Hagen
>> MS-MVP [Mail]
>> Imperial Beach, CA
>
>
> The default that comes with MSE is a quick scan once a week. Itt seems
> to me that it only has to scan for virus etc that were add to its list
> since the last scan. True?
>
> I should get rid of AVG which I also have installed?
>
> Can't have two AV programs running??
>
>
> Thanks



See my other reply, and yes, you need to uninstall AVG. You should never
have 2 AV programs running at the same time.
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Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP [Mail]
Imperial Beach, CA

 

[Bruce Hagen]

<snip>

" Cal Who" <CalWhoNOSPAM@roadrunner.com> wrote in message
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>> WD is not an automatic update.
>
>
> It's not the first time I guessed wrong.
>
> How does the typical MS user learn about such MS offering as Defender?


Visit Microsoft Download Center from time to time.
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Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP [Mail]
Imperial Beach, CA

 

[VanguardLH]

Bruce Hagen wrote:

> The OP did not say WD was not installed, he said he couldn't find it. I
> asked if MSE was installed because on some Windows Versions, installing
> MSE actually removes WD.

WD is not included in any version of Windows XP, the topic of this
newsgroup.

 

[VanguardLH]

Cal Who wrote:

> VanguardLH wrote ...
>
>> Cal Who wrote:
>>
>>> I don't have any evidence of Window Defender on my machine.
>>
>> Well, did YOU ever bother to actually *install* it? If you want it on
>> your computer than YOU will have to install it.
>
> I let MS automatically update my machine. Is it any good and for some reason
> not automatically install? If so, do you know why that is so?

*YOU* will have to install WD or MSE. Automatic Updates won't do it.

 

[VanguardLH]

Cal Who wrote:

> Thanks, Guess I don't have it.
> I always thought I did because I get some kind of MS security up dates
> periodically like they were virus signatures.

You are probably thinking of the monthly malware scanner (aka Malicious
Software Removal Tool). That has a basic list of signatures, gets
downloaded by AU (if *you* opt for it), runs, then removes itself. A
monthly scan, assuming you include it in the AU list, is hardly
reasonable protection against malware.

http://www.microsoft.com/security/malwareremove/default.aspx

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/890830
"The Microsoft Malicious Software Removal Tool does not replace an
antivirus product. It is strictly a post-infection removal tool.
Therefore, we strongly recommend that you install and use an up-to-date
antivirus product."

 

[Cal Who]

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> " Cal Who" <CalWhoNOSPAM@roadrunner.com> wrote in message
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>> "Bruce Hagen" <BRH@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
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>>> " Cal Who" <CalWhoNOSPAM@roadrunner.com> wrote in message
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>>>>
>>>> "Bruce Hagen" <BRH@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
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>>>>>
>>>>> "VanguardLH" <V@nguard.LH> wrote in message
>>>>> news:i0h70g$ehu$1@news.albasani.net...
>>>>>> Cal Who wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Also, Windows Defender is dead. It was replaced with Microsoft
>>>>>> Security
>>>>>> Essentials (MSE).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> MSE includes the properties of Windows Defender, but MSE is not a
>>>>> replacement unless you are running MSE.
>>>>
>>>> I just installed MSE and wonder what yourlast comment means. Do I have
>>>> to manully run it sometime. I believe it is scheduled to run by itself.
>>>> I did not change any of the settings?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> MSE includes Windows Defender. Like any other AV program, MSE runs in
>>> the background all the time. You can set a scheduled scan if you wish,
>>> but it is no more or less needed than a scheduled scan with any AV
>>> program
>>> --
>>> Bruce Hagen
>>> MS-MVP [Mail]
>>> Imperial Beach, CA
>>
>>
>> The default that comes with MSE is a quick scan once a week. Itt seems to
>> me that it only has to scan for virus etc that were add to its list
>> since the last scan. True?
>>
>> I should get rid of AVG which I also have installed?
>>
>> Can't have two AV programs running??
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>
>
>
> See my other reply, and yes, you need to uninstall AVG. You should never
> have 2 AV programs running at the same time.
> --
> Bruce Hagen
> MS-MVP [Mail]
> Imperial Beach, CA
>


Thanks a lot

 

[Cal Who]

"VanguardLH" <V@nguard.LH> wrote in message
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> Cal Who wrote:
>
>> VanguardLH wrote ...
>>
>>> Cal Who wrote:
>>>
>>>> I don't have any evidence of Window Defender on my machine.
>>>
>>> Well, did YOU ever bother to actually *install* it? If you want it on
>>> your computer than YOU will have to install it.
>>
>> I let MS automatically update my machine. Is it any good and for some
>> reason
>> not automatically install? If so, do you know why that is so?
>
> *YOU* will have to install WD or MSE. Automatic Updates won't do it.


I understand that but I think my question was about why MS does not include
it in the auto installation process.

Thanks

 

[PA Bear [MS MVP]]

Cal Who wrote:
<snip>
>> MSE includes the properties of Windows Defender, but MSE is not a
>> replacement unless you are running MSE.
>
> I just installed MSE and wonder what yourlast comment means. Do I have to
> manully run it sometime. I believe it is scheduled to run by itself. I did
> not change any of the settings?

In Vista & Win7, installing MSE disables Defender by default.

In WinXP with Defender installed, installing MSE will remove it.

cf.
http://social.answers.microsoft.com...t/thread/5309cb8d-02e1-40e8-974f-0dcedb9ab9fd

Microsoft Security Essentials Support Forums
http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/category/mse
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002

 

[PA Bear [MS MVP]]

Cal Who wrote:
>> What anti-virus application or security suite is installed and is your
>> subscription current?
>
> AVG...

Like most current AV apps which include an anti-spyware component,
installing AVG disables Defender by default.

cf. http://www.avg.com/us-en/faq.num-2672
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002

 

[Cal Who]

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Cal Who wrote:
>>> What anti-virus application or security suite is installed and is your
>>> subscription current?
>>
>> AVG...
>
> Like most current AV apps which include an anti-spyware component,
> installing AVG disables Defender by default.
>
> cf. http://www.avg.com/us-en/faq.num-2672
> --
> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002

Who knew? Well you guys did but not me.


Thanks

 

[Cal Who]

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> Cal Who wrote:
> <snip>
>>> MSE includes the properties of Windows Defender, but MSE is not a
>>> replacement unless you are running MSE.
>>
>> I just installed MSE and wonder what yourlast comment means. Do I have to
>> manully run it sometime. I believe it is scheduled to run by itself. I
>> did
>> not change any of the settings?
>
> In Vista & Win7, installing MSE disables Defender by default.
>
> In WinXP with Defender installed, installing MSE will remove it.


That clears that up! I have XP.

I wonder if I could sneak one more question in here.

I believe Defender also replaces Windows Live OneCare (been reading the
Internet).

I didn't have a subscription but used it ocasionally to clean the registry.

Am I now in a position where there is no free ms Registry cleaner?


Thanks very much

>
> cf.
> http://social.answers.microsoft.com...t/thread/5309cb8d-02e1-40e8-974f-0dcedb9ab9fd
>
> Microsoft Security Essentials Support Forums
> http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/category/mse
> --
> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002

 

[Cal Who]

"Bruce Hagen" <BRH@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
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> <snip>
>
> " Cal Who" <CalWhoNOSPAM@roadrunner.com> wrote in message
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>
>>>
>>> WD is not an automatic update.
>>
>>
>> It's not the first time I guessed wrong.
>>
>> How does the typical MS user learn about such MS offering as Defender?
>
>
> Visit Microsoft Download Center from time to time.
> --
> Bruce Hagen
> MS-MVP [Mail]
> Imperial Beach, CA
>
>
OK Thanks

 

[Daave]

Bruce Hagen wrote:
> <snip>
>
> " Cal Who" <CalWhoNOSPAM@roadrunner.com> wrote in message
> news:i0iatk$g74$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>
>>>
>>> WD is not an automatic update.
>>
>>
>> It's not the first time I guessed wrong.
>>
>> How does the typical MS user learn about such MS offering as
>> Defender?
>
>
> Visit Microsoft Download Center from time to time.

Doesn't Windows Vista come with Windows Defender? If so, if one has used
a PC with Windows Vista on it, they might erroneously assume that it
comes standard with Windows XP, too (like IE).

 

[Bruce Hagen]

" Cal Who" <CalWhoNOSPAM@roadrunner.com> wrote in message
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>
> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
> newsvUdYyTGLHA.1716@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> Cal Who wrote:
>> <snip>
>>>> MSE includes the properties of Windows Defender, but MSE is not a
>>>> replacement unless you are running MSE.
>>>
>>> I just installed MSE and wonder what yourlast comment means. Do I have
>>> to
>>> manully run it sometime. I believe it is scheduled to run by itself. I
>>> did
>>> not change any of the settings?
>>
>> In Vista & Win7, installing MSE disables Defender by default.
>>
>> In WinXP with Defender installed, installing MSE will remove it.
>
>
> That clears that up! I have XP.
>
> I wonder if I could sneak one more question in here.
>
> I believe Defender also replaces Windows Live OneCare (been reading the
> Internet).
>
> I didn't have a subscription but used it ocasionally to clean the
> registry.
>
> Am I now in a position where there is no free ms Registry cleaner?
>
>
> Thanks very much



MSE replaced OneCare, WD did not.

Why on earth would you want to use a registry cleaner? There are plenty of
free ones out there, but read this before running a registry cleaner and
then take your chances.
http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?t=28099
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP [Mail]
Imperial Beach, CA

 

[Cal Who]

"VanguardLH" <V@nguard.LH> wrote in message
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> Cal Who wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Guess I don't have it.
>> I always thought I did because I get some kind of MS security up dates
>> periodically like they were virus signatures.
>
> You are probably thinking of the monthly malware scanner (aka Malicious
> Software Removal Tool). That has a basic list of signatures, gets
> downloaded by AU (if *you* opt for it), runs, then removes itself. A
> monthly scan, assuming you include it in the AU list, is hardly
> reasonable protection against malware.
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/security/malwareremove/default.aspx
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/890830
> "The Microsoft Malicious Software Removal Tool does not replace an
> antivirus product. It is strictly a post-infection removal tool.
> Therefore, we strongly recommend that you install and use an up-to-date
> antivirus product."

I recognize the name now that you show it. That is it.

So now that I finally learned that it and Defender are different Defender is
no more!

Now I need a replacement for Windows Live OneCare registry cleaner!


Thanks for staying with me on this!

 

[Daave]

Cal Who wrote:
> Now I need a replacement for Windows Live OneCare registry cleaner!

Actually, you *don't* need a replacement for it.

Registry cleaners offer no appreciable performance benefit and can
sometimes even damage your system.

 

[Daave]

Cal Who wrote:
> "VanguardLH" <V@nguard.LH> wrote in message
> news:i0id5h$bih$1@news.albasani.net...
>> Cal Who wrote:
>>
>>> VanguardLH wrote ...
>>>
>>>> Cal Who wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I don't have any evidence of Window Defender on my machine.
>>>>
>>>> Well, did YOU ever bother to actually *install* it? If you want
>>>> it on your computer than YOU will have to install it.
>>>
>>> I let MS automatically update my machine. Is it any good and for
>>> some reason
>>> not automatically install? If so, do you know why that is so?
>>
>> *YOU* will have to install WD or MSE. Automatic Updates won't do it.
>
>
> I understand that but I think my question was about why MS does not
> include it in the auto installation process.

MS stands for Microsoft.

Microsoft, among other things, sells operating systems.

The operating systems are all called Windows.

Windows XP does not include Windows Defender becuase it predates Windows
Defender. Windows Defender didn't exist in 2002!

Windows Vista does include Windows Defender.

Hope that clears things up!

 

[Cal Who]

"Bruce Hagen" <BRH@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
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>
> " Cal Who" <CalWhoNOSPAM@roadrunner.com> wrote in message
> news:i0iig6$cs2$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>
>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> newsvUdYyTGLHA.1716@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>> Cal Who wrote:
>>> <snip>
>>>>> MSE includes the properties of Windows Defender, but MSE is not a
>>>>> replacement unless you are running MSE.
>>>>
>>>> I just installed MSE and wonder what yourlast comment means. Do I have
>>>> to
>>>> manully run it sometime. I believe it is scheduled to run by itself. I
>>>> did
>>>> not change any of the settings?
>>>
>>> In Vista & Win7, installing MSE disables Defender by default.
>>>
>>> In WinXP with Defender installed, installing MSE will remove it.
>>
>>
>> That clears that up! I have XP.
>>
>> I wonder if I could sneak one more question in here.
>>
>> I believe Defender also replaces Windows Live OneCare (been reading the
>> Internet).
>>
>> I didn't have a subscription but used it ocasionally to clean the
>> registry.
>>
>> Am I now in a position where there is no free ms Registry cleaner?
>>
>>
>> Thanks very much
>
>
>
> MSE replaced OneCare, WD did not.
>
> Why on earth would you want to use a registry cleaner? There are plenty of
> free ones out there, but read this before running a registry cleaner and
> then take your chances.
> http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?t=28099
> --
> Bruce Hagen
> MS-MVP [Mail]
> Imperial Beach, CA
>


I'm convinced. I did just run OneCare after removing AVG and it did find two
AVG entries that it deleted.

That has been my experience in the past. I.E., It found many entries that I
know should not be there. After getting rid of a Symatic program once I
removed hundreds (with a different program).

And I like neatness so it bothers me to have a file full of junk.

But I'm sure if it screwed up my SQL Server or VS 2010 I be a bit unhappy.

So I.m just not going to think about the junk that may be in those files
from now on, bite my lip, and leave well enough alone.


Thanks