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Win 7 n00bie questions

Discussion in 'Windows 7' started by Zootal, Jan 11, 2010.

  1. Zootal

    Zootal Flightless Bird

    I'm making the transition from XP to Win7. So far so good - I have the quick
    launch where I want it, I have things mostly set the way I want. I even have
    the task bar tamed to do mostly what I want. I even found a tweakui
    replacement.

    I'm still struggling with the Start menu. I used the classic start menu in
    XP, and I absolutely hate what they did to it in Vista, and I hate even more
    the fact that there is no classic mode in Win7. (They did the same thing in
    KDE, and you should see all of the fallout on that one - many Linux users
    are outraged at the KDE devs making KDE work like Windows, but that is
    another story...) I can, however, live with it, but there are two things I
    would very much like to do:

    1) When you pressed Start-Programs in XP classic mode, all of your programs
    would expand outwards across the desktop, taking up as much room as needed.
    This is especially useful if you had a lot of entries. In Win7, it appears
    that the Programs menu is limited to a small rectangular area, and I really
    hate that. Is there any way to get the Programs menu to expand out? Control
    Panel, networks, admin tools, etc., are on the right side of the start menu
    dialog, and expand outwards. How can I place Programs there also, otherwise
    get Programs menu to expand outwards across the desktop?

    edit: AFAICT, this is just the way Microsoft wants us to work, never mind
    all of the people that liked the old way better. So - any recommendations
    for third party utilities that restore classic start menu functionality?
    I've seen a few, but don't know much about which ones work good, which ones
    to avoid.

    2) When you pressed Start followed by a letter in XP classic mode, any
    directory under Start Menu that started with that letter would open up
    outwards. In Win7, Start followed by any letter brings up a search dialog so
    it can search on what you type. Is there any way to revert this behavior? I
    had quite a few shortcuts on the start menu so that I could go Start-><some
    letter><some letter>, and quickly get to a lot of things that I did on a
    regular basis without having to touch the mouse. I would be very happy if I
    could get Win7 to do the same thing.
     
  2. ericp@blueyonder.co.uk

    ericp@blueyonder.co.uk Flightless Bird

    On Sat, 9 Jan 2010 14:40:21 -0800, "Zootal"
    <usenet@spam.zootal.nospam.com> wrote:

    >I'm making the transition from XP to Win7. So far so good - I have the quick
    >launch where I want it, I have things mostly set the way I want. I even have
    >the task bar tamed to do mostly what I want. I even found a tweakui
    >replacement.
    >
    >I'm still struggling with the Start menu. I used the classic start menu in
    >XP, and I absolutely hate what they did to it in Vista, and I hate even more
    >the fact that there is no classic mode in Win7. (They did the same thing in
    >KDE, and you should see all of the fallout on that one - many Linux users
    >are outraged at the KDE devs making KDE work like Windows, but that is
    >another story...) I can, however, live with it, but there are two things I
    >would very much like to do:
    >
    >1) When you pressed Start-Programs in XP classic mode, all of your programs
    >would expand outwards across the desktop, taking up as much room as needed.
    >This is especially useful if you had a lot of entries. In Win7, it appears
    >that the Programs menu is limited to a small rectangular area, and I really
    >hate that. Is there any way to get the Programs menu to expand out? Control
    >Panel, networks, admin tools, etc., are on the right side of the start menu
    >dialog, and expand outwards. How can I place Programs there also, otherwise
    >get Programs menu to expand outwards across the desktop?
    >
    >edit: AFAICT, this is just the way Microsoft wants us to work, never mind
    >all of the people that liked the old way better. So - any recommendations
    >for third party utilities that restore classic start menu functionality?
    >I've seen a few, but don't know much about which ones work good, which ones
    >to avoid.
    >
    >2) When you pressed Start followed by a letter in XP classic mode, any
    >directory under Start Menu that started with that letter would open up
    >outwards. In Win7, Start followed by any letter brings up a search dialog so
    >it can search on what you type. Is there any way to revert this behavior? I
    >had quite a few shortcuts on the start menu so that I could go Start-><some
    >letter><some letter>, and quickly get to a lot of things that I did on a
    >regular basis without having to touch the mouse. I would be very happy if I
    >could get Win7 to do the same thing.
    >

    Try the free version of this. It annoys me a bit but does give some
    control.

    http://www.vistastartmenu.com/index.html
     
  3. TOM

    TOM Flightless Bird

    Zootal wrote:
    > I'm making the transition from XP to Win7. So far so good - I have the
    > quick launch where I want it, I have things mostly set the way I want. I
    > even have the task bar tamed to do mostly what I want. I even found a
    > tweakui replacement.
    >
    > I'm still struggling with the Start menu. I used the classic start menu
    > in XP, and I absolutely hate what they did to it in Vista, and I hate
    > even more the fact that there is no classic mode in Win7. (They did the
    > same thing in KDE, and you should see all of the fallout on that one -
    > many Linux users are outraged at the KDE devs making KDE work like
    > Windows, but that is another story...) I can, however, live with it, but
    > there are two things I would very much like to do:
    >
    > 1) When you pressed Start-Programs in XP classic mode, all of your
    > programs would expand outwards across the desktop, taking up as much
    > room as needed. This is especially useful if you had a lot of entries.
    > In Win7, it appears that the Programs menu is limited to a small
    > rectangular area, and I really hate that. Is there any way to get the
    > Programs menu to expand out? Control Panel, networks, admin tools, etc.,
    > are on the right side of the start menu dialog, and expand outwards. How
    > can I place Programs there also, otherwise get Programs menu to expand
    > outwards across the desktop?
    >
    > edit: AFAICT, this is just the way Microsoft wants us to work, never
    > mind all of the people that liked the old way better. So - any
    > recommendations for third party utilities that restore classic start
    > menu functionality? I've seen a few, but don't know much about which
    > ones work good, which ones to avoid.
    >
    > 2) When you pressed Start followed by a letter in XP classic mode, any
    > directory under Start Menu that started with that letter would open up
    > outwards. In Win7, Start followed by any letter brings up a search
    > dialog so it can search on what you type. Is there any way to revert
    > this behavior? I had quite a few shortcuts on the start menu so that I
    > could go Start-><some letter><some letter>, and quickly get to a lot of
    > things that I did on a regular basis without having to touch the mouse.
    > I would be very happy if I could get Win7 to do the same thing.


    This might be worth a look:
    http://tinyurl.com/a8sujp

    It doesn't do what you want, but there may be some tweaks you'll like...
    --
    TOM - Vista, CA - USA
     
  4. Stubbo of Oz

    Stubbo of Oz Flightless Bird

    On Sat, 9 Jan 2010 14:40:21 -0800, "Zootal"
    <usenet@spam.zootal.nospam.com> wrote:

    >I'm making the transition from XP to Win7. So far so good - I have the quick
    >launch where I want it, I have things mostly set the way I want. I even have
    >the task bar tamed to do mostly what I want. I even found a tweakui
    >replacement.
    >
    >I'm still struggling with the Start menu. I used the classic start menu in
    >XP, and I absolutely hate what they did to it in Vista, and I hate even more
    >the fact that there is no classic mode in Win7. (They did the same thing in
    >KDE, and you should see all of the fallout on that one - many Linux users
    >are outraged at the KDE devs making KDE work like Windows, but that is
    >another story...) I can, however, live with it, but there are two things I
    >would very much like to do:
    >
    >1) When you pressed Start-Programs in XP classic mode, all of your programs
    >would expand outwards across the desktop, taking up as much room as needed.
    >This is especially useful if you had a lot of entries. In Win7, it appears
    >that the Programs menu is limited to a small rectangular area, and I really
    >hate that. Is there any way to get the Programs menu to expand out? Control
    >Panel, networks, admin tools, etc., are on the right side of the start menu
    >dialog, and expand outwards. How can I place Programs there also, otherwise
    >get Programs menu to expand outwards across the desktop?
    >
    >edit: AFAICT, this is just the way Microsoft wants us to work, never mind
    >all of the people that liked the old way better. So - any recommendations
    >for third party utilities that restore classic start menu functionality?
    >I've seen a few, but don't know much about which ones work good, which ones
    >to avoid.
    >
    >2) When you pressed Start followed by a letter in XP classic mode, any
    >directory under Start Menu that started with that letter would open up
    >outwards. In Win7, Start followed by any letter brings up a search dialog so
    >it can search on what you type. Is there any way to revert this behavior? I
    >had quite a few shortcuts on the start menu so that I could go Start-><some
    >letter><some letter>, and quickly get to a lot of things that I did on a
    >regular basis without having to touch the mouse. I would be very happy if I
    >could get Win7 to do the same thing.
    >



    Try this free program:-

    http://classicshell.sourceforge.net/

    Works a treat for me in Window 7



    --
    ----------------
    Stubbo of Oz
    ----------------
     
  5. Zootal

    Zootal Flightless Bird

    "TOM" <tom@catz.org> wrote in message
    news:Gt82n.12594$XU.11217@newsfe03.iad...
    > Zootal wrote:
    >> I'm making the transition from XP to Win7. So far so good - I have the
    >> quick launch where I want it, I have things mostly set the way I want. I
    >> even have the task bar tamed to do mostly what I want. I even found a
    >> tweakui replacement.
    >>
    >> I'm still struggling with the Start menu. I used the classic start menu
    >> in XP, and I absolutely hate what they did to it in Vista, and I hate
    >> even more the fact that there is no classic mode in Win7. (They did the
    >> same thing in KDE, and you should see all of the fallout on that one -
    >> many Linux users are outraged at the KDE devs making KDE work like
    >> Windows, but that is another story...) I can, however, live with it, but
    >> there are two things I would very much like to do:
    >>
    >> 1) When you pressed Start-Programs in XP classic mode, all of your
    >> programs would expand outwards across the desktop, taking up as much room
    >> as needed. This is especially useful if you had a lot of entries. In
    >> Win7, it appears that the Programs menu is limited to a small rectangular
    >> area, and I really hate that. Is there any way to get the Programs menu
    >> to expand out? Control Panel, networks, admin tools, etc., are on the
    >> right side of the start menu dialog, and expand outwards. How can I place
    >> Programs there also, otherwise get Programs menu to expand outwards
    >> across the desktop?
    >>
    >> edit: AFAICT, this is just the way Microsoft wants us to work, never mind
    >> all of the people that liked the old way better. So - any recommendations
    >> for third party utilities that restore classic start menu functionality?
    >> I've seen a few, but don't know much about which ones work good, which
    >> ones to avoid.
    >>
    >> 2) When you pressed Start followed by a letter in XP classic mode, any
    >> directory under Start Menu that started with that letter would open up
    >> outwards. In Win7, Start followed by any letter brings up a search dialog
    >> so it can search on what you type. Is there any way to revert this
    >> behavior? I had quite a few shortcuts on the start menu so that I could
    >> go Start-><some letter><some letter>, and quickly get to a lot of things
    >> that I did on a regular basis without having to touch the mouse. I would
    >> be very happy if I could get Win7 to do the same thing.

    >
    > This might be worth a look:
    > http://tinyurl.com/a8sujp
    >
    > It doesn't do what you want, but there may be some tweaks you'll like...
    > --
    > TOM - Vista, CA - USA


    OMG I love it!!! This is just beautiful! Start-R gives you the run dialog
    like you expect, I can add my custom menus, etc. VERY nice!!!

    Why, oh why, didn't Microsoft ask us if we wanted to give this up? Not only
    has this been around since Windows 95 (which I bought the very first week
    Win95 came out), but it works and a lot of us like it just like it is.
    Ahhh...my programs fly out across my desktop, I can see everything without
    scrolling up/down/where the hell is my program.

    Vista/Win7 introduced some nice changes, but some things should have been
    left alone, or at least a classic mode should have been left there for us.

    KDE 4 introduced the new Vista/Win7-like start menu, and a lot of linux
    users are up in arms about it. We hate it in KDE, we hate it in Windows :)

    OK, I feel better now....
     
  6. Zootal

    Zootal Flightless Bird

    "Zootal" <usenet@spam.zootal.nospam.com> wrote in message
    news:bKCdnXGcM_0j09TWnZ2dnUVZ_qCdnZ2d@giganews.com...
    >
    >
    > "TOM" <tom@catz.org> wrote in message
    > news:Gt82n.12594$XU.11217@newsfe03.iad...
    >> Zootal wrote:
    >>> I'm making the transition from XP to Win7. So far so good - I have the
    >>> quick launch where I want it, I have things mostly set the way I want. I
    >>> even have the task bar tamed to do mostly what I want. I even found a
    >>> tweakui replacement.
    >>>
    >>> I'm still struggling with the Start menu. I used the classic start menu
    >>> in XP, and I absolutely hate what they did to it in Vista, and I hate
    >>> even more the fact that there is no classic mode in Win7. (They did the
    >>> same thing in KDE, and you should see all of the fallout on that one -
    >>> many Linux users are outraged at the KDE devs making KDE work like
    >>> Windows, but that is another story...) I can, however, live with it, but
    >>> there are two things I would very much like to do:
    >>>
    >>> 1) When you pressed Start-Programs in XP classic mode, all of your
    >>> programs would expand outwards across the desktop, taking up as much
    >>> room as needed. This is especially useful if you had a lot of entries.
    >>> In Win7, it appears that the Programs menu is limited to a small
    >>> rectangular area, and I really hate that. Is there any way to get the
    >>> Programs menu to expand out? Control Panel, networks, admin tools, etc.,
    >>> are on the right side of the start menu dialog, and expand outwards. How
    >>> can I place Programs there also, otherwise get Programs menu to expand
    >>> outwards across the desktop?
    >>>
    >>> edit: AFAICT, this is just the way Microsoft wants us to work, never
    >>> mind all of the people that liked the old way better. So - any
    >>> recommendations for third party utilities that restore classic start
    >>> menu functionality? I've seen a few, but don't know much about which
    >>> ones work good, which ones to avoid.
    >>>
    >>> 2) When you pressed Start followed by a letter in XP classic mode, any
    >>> directory under Start Menu that started with that letter would open up
    >>> outwards. In Win7, Start followed by any letter brings up a search
    >>> dialog so it can search on what you type. Is there any way to revert
    >>> this behavior? I had quite a few shortcuts on the start menu so that I
    >>> could go Start-><some letter><some letter>, and quickly get to a lot of
    >>> things that I did on a regular basis without having to touch the mouse.
    >>> I would be very happy if I could get Win7 to do the same thing.

    >>
    >> This might be worth a look:
    >> http://tinyurl.com/a8sujp
    >>
    >> It doesn't do what you want, but there may be some tweaks you'll like...
    >> --
    >> TOM - Vista, CA - USA

    >
    > OMG I love it!!! This is just beautiful! Start-R gives you the run dialog
    > like you expect, I can add my custom menus, etc. VERY nice!!!
    >
    > Why, oh why, didn't Microsoft ask us if we wanted to give this up? Not
    > only has this been around since Windows 95 (which I bought the very first
    > week Win95 came out), but it works and a lot of us like it just like it
    > is. Ahhh...my programs fly out across my desktop, I can see everything
    > without scrolling up/down/where the hell is my program.
    >
    > Vista/Win7 introduced some nice changes, but some things should have been
    > left alone, or at least a classic mode should have been left there for us.
    >
    > KDE 4 introduced the new Vista/Win7-like start menu, and a lot of linux
    > users are up in arms about it. We hate it in KDE, we hate it in Windows
    > :)
    >
    > OK, I feel better now....


    Um...my bad...it is http://classicshell.sourceforge.net/ that I'm in love
    with...I somehow replied to the wrong post...
     
  7. Tony

    Tony Flightless Bird

    Just make a shortcut to the programs folder and put it on the desktop. Sorry if
    this sounds like a Chuckcar reply.

    Zootal wrote:

    > I'm making the transition from XP to Win7. So far so good - I have the quick
    > launch where I want it, I have things mostly set the way I want. I even have
    > the task bar tamed to do mostly what I want. I even found a tweakui
    > replacement.
    >
    > I'm still struggling with the Start menu. I used the classic start menu in
    > XP, and I absolutely hate what they did to it in Vista, and I hate even more
    > the fact that there is no classic mode in Win7. (They did the same thing in
    > KDE, and you should see all of the fallout on that one - many Linux users
    > are outraged at the KDE devs making KDE work like Windows, but that is
    > another story...) I can, however, live with it, but there are two things I
    > would very much like to do:
    >
    > 1) When you pressed Start-Programs in XP classic mode, all of your programs
    > would expand outwards across the desktop, taking up as much room as needed.
    > This is especially useful if you had a lot of entries. In Win7, it appears
    > that the Programs menu is limited to a small rectangular area, and I really
    > hate that. Is there any way to get the Programs menu to expand out? Control
    > Panel, networks, admin tools, etc., are on the right side of the start menu
    > dialog, and expand outwards. How can I place Programs there also, otherwise
    > get Programs menu to expand outwards across the desktop?
    >
    > edit: AFAICT, this is just the way Microsoft wants us to work, never mind
    > all of the people that liked the old way better. So - any recommendations
    > for third party utilities that restore classic start menu functionality?
    > I've seen a few, but don't know much about which ones work good, which ones
    > to avoid.
    >
    > 2) When you pressed Start followed by a letter in XP classic mode, any
    > directory under Start Menu that started with that letter would open up
    > outwards. In Win7, Start followed by any letter brings up a search dialog so
    > it can search on what you type. Is there any way to revert this behavior? I
    > had quite a few shortcuts on the start menu so that I could go Start-><some
    > letter><some letter>, and quickly get to a lot of things that I did on a
    > regular basis without having to touch the mouse. I would be very happy if I
    > could get Win7 to do the same thing.
    >


    --
    The Grandmaster of the CyberFROG

    Come get your ticket to CyberFROG city

    Nay, Art thou decideth playeth ye simpleton games. *Some* of us know proper
    manners

    Very few. I used to take calls from *rank* noobs but got fired the first day on
    the job for potty mouth,

    Hamster isn't a newsreader it's a mistake!

    El-Gonzo Jackson FROGS both me and Chuckcar

    Master Juba was a black man imitating a white man imitating a black man

    Using my technical prowess and computer abilities to answer questions beyond the
    realm of understandability

    Regards Tony... Making usenet better for everyone everyday
     
  8. Zootal

    Zootal Flightless Bird

    That really isn't what I want. I actually have several shortcuts on my
    desktop for stuff I don't do that much. The problem with desktop shortcuts
    is that it have to take the time to move hand to mouse, move mouse around to
    find shortcut, move/minimize apps that might be in the way of desktop
    shortcut, etc. This may sound trivial, but there are a few things I do a
    lot, sometimes many times an hour. For those things, I want real fast
    keyboard shortcuts that work no matter what app I'm in and no matter what
    I'm doing. With XP classic mode, I found it convenient to put a bunch of
    shortcuts in a directory (called matty) and place that directory directly
    into documents and settings\<user name>\Start menu. Then, I press
    Start-m-<some letter>. Start-m causes the directory matty, which is on the
    start menu, to open up and the next letter would launch the individual item.
    This way, I don't have to move my hand to the mouse and go clicking here or
    there. I simply quickly press the three keys and my app is launched. Speed
    is of the essence and it's much faster for me to press three keys while I'm
    working then move hand to mouse, move mouse pointer to my desktop icon which
    may be under this or that app, or navigate through the start menu to find
    some shortcut. click-click-click whammo my app is launched right now.

    Some of you are rolling your eyeballs right about now, thinking what is
    wrong with me that I can't just grab the mouse and find my shortcut? Those
    of you that work on a keyboard all day know the value of real fast keyboard
    shortcuts that launch an app NOW versus having to find a shortcut on desktop
    or start menu. Especially if you do this dozens of times an hour, or even
    more. Some of you just don't get it, and I guess I can't help that :)

    "Tony" <Tony@TheDeli.Sandwich> wrote in message
    news:4B49F7DB.ED61AB4E@TheDeli.Sandwich...
    > Just make a shortcut to the programs folder and put it on the desktop.
    > Sorry if
    > this sounds like a Chuckcar reply.
    >
    > Zootal wrote:
    >
    >> I'm making the transition from XP to Win7. So far so good - I have the
    >> quick
    >> launch where I want it, I have things mostly set the way I want. I even
    >> have
    >> the task bar tamed to do mostly what I want. I even found a tweakui
    >> replacement.
    >>
    >> I'm still struggling with the Start menu. I used the classic start menu
    >> in
    >> XP, and I absolutely hate what they did to it in Vista, and I hate even
    >> more
    >> the fact that there is no classic mode in Win7. (They did the same thing
    >> in
    >> KDE, and you should see all of the fallout on that one - many Linux users
    >> are outraged at the KDE devs making KDE work like Windows, but that is
    >> another story...) I can, however, live with it, but there are two things
    >> I
    >> would very much like to do:
    >>
    >> 1) When you pressed Start-Programs in XP classic mode, all of your
    >> programs
    >> would expand outwards across the desktop, taking up as much room as
    >> needed.
    >> This is especially useful if you had a lot of entries. In Win7, it
    >> appears
    >> that the Programs menu is limited to a small rectangular area, and I
    >> really
    >> hate that. Is there any way to get the Programs menu to expand out?
    >> Control
    >> Panel, networks, admin tools, etc., are on the right side of the start
    >> menu
    >> dialog, and expand outwards. How can I place Programs there also,
    >> otherwise
    >> get Programs menu to expand outwards across the desktop?
    >>
    >> edit: AFAICT, this is just the way Microsoft wants us to work, never mind
    >> all of the people that liked the old way better. So - any recommendations
    >> for third party utilities that restore classic start menu functionality?
    >> I've seen a few, but don't know much about which ones work good, which
    >> ones
    >> to avoid.
    >>
    >> 2) When you pressed Start followed by a letter in XP classic mode, any
    >> directory under Start Menu that started with that letter would open up
    >> outwards. In Win7, Start followed by any letter brings up a search dialog
    >> so
    >> it can search on what you type. Is there any way to revert this behavior?
    >> I
    >> had quite a few shortcuts on the start menu so that I could go
    >> Start-><some
    >> letter><some letter>, and quickly get to a lot of things that I did on a
    >> regular basis without having to touch the mouse. I would be very happy if
    >> I
    >> could get Win7 to do the same thing.
    >>

    >
    > --
    > The Grandmaster of the CyberFROG
    >
    > Come get your ticket to CyberFROG city
    >
    > Nay, Art thou decideth playeth ye simpleton games. *Some* of us know
    > proper
    > manners
    >
    > Very few. I used to take calls from *rank* noobs but got fired the first
    > day on
    > the job for potty mouth,
    >
    > Hamster isn't a newsreader it's a mistake!
    >
    > El-Gonzo Jackson FROGS both me and Chuckcar
    >
    > Master Juba was a black man imitating a white man imitating a black man
    >
    > Using my technical prowess and computer abilities to answer questions
    > beyond the
    > realm of understandability
    >
    > Regards Tony... Making usenet better for everyone everyday
    >
    >
     
  9. Char Jackson

    Char Jackson Flightless Bird

    On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 15:32:18 -0800, "Zootal"
    <usenet@spam.zootal.nospam.com> wrote:

    >That really isn't what I want. I actually have several shortcuts on my
    >desktop for stuff I don't do that much. The problem with desktop shortcuts
    >is that it have to take the time to move hand to mouse, move mouse around to
    >find shortcut, move/minimize apps that might be in the way of desktop
    >shortcut, etc. This may sound trivial, but there are a few things I do a
    >lot, sometimes many times an hour. For those things, I want real fast
    >keyboard shortcuts that work no matter what app I'm in and no matter what
    >I'm doing. With XP classic mode, I found it convenient to put a bunch of
    >shortcuts in a directory (called matty) and place that directory directly
    >into documents and settings\<user name>\Start menu. Then, I press
    >Start-m-<some letter>. Start-m causes the directory matty, which is on the
    >start menu, to open up and the next letter would launch the individual item.
    >This way, I don't have to move my hand to the mouse and go clicking here or
    >there. I simply quickly press the three keys and my app is launched. Speed
    >is of the essence and it's much faster for me to press three keys while I'm
    >working then move hand to mouse, move mouse pointer to my desktop icon which
    >may be under this or that app, or navigate through the start menu to find
    >some shortcut. click-click-click whammo my app is launched right now.
    >
    >Some of you are rolling your eyeballs right about now, thinking what is
    >wrong with me that I can't just grab the mouse and find my shortcut? Those
    >of you that work on a keyboard all day know the value of real fast keyboard
    >shortcuts that launch an app NOW versus having to find a shortcut on desktop
    >or start menu. Especially if you do this dozens of times an hour, or even
    >more. Some of you just don't get it, and I guess I can't help that :)


    If you really run those few apps a few dozen times per hour, I would
    suggest just leaving them running and switch to that task (Alt-Tab or
    similar) when you need it. Then again, we all have our own way of
    doing things. :)
     

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