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Will people like Giganews retain discontinued Microsoft groups?

Discussion in 'Windows XP' started by Anthony Buckland, May 15, 2010.

  1. Anthony Buckland

    Anthony Buckland Flightless Bird

    Someone was asking, what happens to all our postings
    in Microsoft groups that are about to be discontinued.
    The response was, everything disappears and can no
    longer be accessed. But what about, say, Giganews,
    which has text retention currently of 2518 days? Will
    all the postings in the 2518 days before shutdown stay
    there, gradually disappearing one day at a time for the
    next six years plus? Okay, I could ask them; but I
    assume there are other providers that might or might
    not keep their copies of our postings while not allowing
    new ones. Is anyone here informed on how this stuff
    works?
     
  2. ANONYMOUS

    ANONYMOUS Flightless Bird

    Anthony Buckland wrote:

    > Someone was asking, what happens to all our postings
    > in Microsoft groups that are about to be discontinued.
    > The response was, everything disappears and can no
    > longer be accessed. But what about, say, Giganews,
    > which has text retention currently of 2518 days? Will
    > all the postings in the 2518 days before shutdown stay
    > there, gradually disappearing one day at a time for the
    > next six years plus? Okay, I could ask them; but I
    > assume there are other providers that might or might
    > not keep their copies of our postings while not allowing
    > new ones. Is anyone here informed on how this stuff
    > works?
    >
    >


    The Google's archive will remain in place for at least 7 years so you
    won't have any problems accessing old, unworkable solutions, by
    Pig-Bear, Microsoft Valuable Pig.

    The link to the archive is here:

    <http://groups.google.co.uk/group/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/topics?lnk=srg&hl=en>

    hth
     
  3. VanguardLH

    VanguardLH Flightless Bird

    Anthony Buckland wrote:

    > Someone was asking, what happens to all our postings
    > in Microsoft groups that are about to be discontinued.
    > The response was, everything disappears and can no
    > longer be accessed. But what about, say, Giganews,
    > which has text retention currently of 2518 days? Will
    > all the postings in the 2518 days before shutdown stay
    > there, gradually disappearing one day at a time for the
    > next six years plus? Okay, I could ask them; but I
    > assume there are other providers that might or might
    > not keep their copies of our postings while not allowing
    > new ones. Is anyone here informed on how this stuff
    > works?


    That Microsoft kills their NNTP server does not force the discontinuance
    of continued peering amongst the rest of the worldwide mesh network of
    NNTP servers. Whether some of them also drop the microsoft.public.*
    newsgroups depends on just what the operators of those servers want to
    do. They may continue carrying those newsgroups even with the
    significant reduction of traffic due to the absence of all the
    webnews-for-boobs users of Microsoft's "Communities" gateway to Usenet
    that pretended those were forums. They may follow suite and also drop
    those newsgroups. I've seen reports from some users of other NNTP
    servers that they are dropping the microsoft.public.* groups (and doing
    so even before Microsoft has dropped them from Microsoft's NNTP server).

    Some NNTP operators will use any excuse to reduce bandwidth and disk
    space. Microsoft dropping the newsgroups (because they kill their NNTP
    server) may be sufficient for some NNTP operators to do the same. Some
    may continue carrying those newsgroups and not give a gnat's fart about
    Microsoft's need for control which they could never exercise over
    Usenet.

    I've visited the web forums at Microsoft. They don't have as many as
    there are newsgroups, so dropping NNTP means many newsgroups will simply
    disappear because there is no matching web-based forum. That interface
    sucks. It is slow, flat (i.e., no hierarchy), and has limited
    functionality (i.e., many features in newsreaders are not available in
    their forums), and not all their forums have been rolled together under
    one umbrella (e.g., the SysInternal forums are still separate).

    You would need to check if an NNTP operator has already dropped some or
    all of the microsoft.public.* newsgroups. If not, all you can do is ask
    them what are their plans for after Microsoft drops those newsgroups (by
    killing off their NNTP server). For Giganews, only Giganews can comment
    on what they plan to do with their own NNTP service.
     
  4. LDS5ZRA

    LDS5ZRA Flightless Bird

    The answers are posted here:

    <http://groups.google.co.uk/group/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/topics?lnk=srg&>

    hth


    Anthony Buckland wrote:
    >
    > Someone was asking, what happens to all our postings
    > in Microsoft groups that are about to be discontinued.
    > The response was, everything disappears and can no
    > longer be accessed. But what about, say, Giganews,
    > which has text retention currently of 2518 days? Will
    > all the postings in the 2518 days before shutdown stay
    > there, gradually disappearing one day at a time for the
    > next six years plus? Okay, I could ask them; but I
    > assume there are other providers that might or might
    > not keep their copies of our postings while not allowing
    > new ones. Is anyone here informed on how this stuff
    > works?


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  5. PA Bear [MS MVP]

    PA Bear [MS MVP] Flightless Bird

    What did Giganews Support tell you when you asked them that question?

    Anthony Buckland wrote:
    > Someone was asking, what happens to all our postings
    > in Microsoft groups that are about to be discontinued.
    > The response was, everything disappears and can no
    > longer be accessed. But what about, say, Giganews,
    > which has text retention currently of 2518 days? Will
    > all the postings in the 2518 days before shutdown stay
    > there, gradually disappearing one day at a time for the
    > next six years plus? Okay, I could ask them; but I
    > assume there are other providers that might or might
    > not keep their copies of our postings while not allowing
    > new ones. Is anyone here informed on how this stuff
    > works?
     
  6. Anthony Buckland

    Anthony Buckland Flightless Bird

    "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:uHsSi7H9KHA.5808@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
    > What did Giganews Support tell you when you asked them that question?
    >
    > Anthony Buckland wrote:
    >> Someone was asking, what happens to all our postings
    >> in Microsoft groups that are about to be discontinued.
    >> The response was, everything disappears and can no
    >> longer be accessed. But what about, say, Giganews,
    >> which has text retention currently of 2518 days? Will
    >> all the postings in the 2518 days before shutdown stay
    >> there, gradually disappearing one day at a time for the
    >> next six years plus? Okay, I could ask them; but I
    >> assume there are other providers that might or might
    >> not keep their copies of our postings while not allowing
    >> new ones. Is anyone here informed on how this stuff
    >> works?


    PA Bear, you can be relied on for the right question.
    Yup, I'm going to ask them, but I thought I'd raise the
    general issue here first in case somebody needed to
    immediately shoot me down. I'll report if I get a response.
     
  7. ANONYMOUS

    ANONYMOUS Flightless Bird

    Anthony Buckland wrote:
    > Someone was asking, what happens to all our postings
    > in Microsoft groups that are about to be discontinued.
    > The response was, everything disappears and can no
    > longer be accessed. But what about, say, Giganews,
    > which has text retention currently of 2518 days? Will
    > all the postings in the 2518 days before shutdown stay
    > there, gradually disappearing one day at a time for the
    > next six years plus? Okay, I could ask them; but I
    > assume there are other providers that might or might
    > not keep their copies of our postings while not allowing
    > new ones. Is anyone here informed on how this stuff
    > works?
    >
    >



    The Google's archive will remain in place for at least 7 years so you
    won't have any problems accessing old, unworkable solutions, by
    Pig-Bear, Microsoft Valuable Pig.

    The link to the archive is here:

    <http://groups.google.co.uk/group/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/topics?lnk=srg&hl=en
     
  8. LDS5ZRA

    LDS5ZRA Flightless Bird

    The answers are posted here:

    <http://groups.google.co.uk/group/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/topics?lnk=srg&>

    hth



    Anthony Buckland wrote:
    >
    > Someone was asking, what happens to all our postings
    > in Microsoft groups that are about to be discontinued.
    > The response was, everything disappears and can no
    > longer be accessed. But what about, say, Giganews,
    > which has text retention currently of 2518 days? Will
    > all the postings in the 2518 days before shutdown stay
    > there, gradually disappearing one day at a time for the
    > next six years plus? Okay, I could ask them; but I
    > assume there are other providers that might or might
    > not keep their copies of our postings while not allowing
    > new ones. Is anyone here informed on how this stuff
    > works?


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    FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. IN NO EVENT SHALL LDS5ZRA
    OR HIS ASSOCIATES BE LIABLE FOR ANY DAMAGES WHATSOEVER
    INCLUDING DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, CONSEQUENTIAL, LOSS OF
    BUSINESS PROFITS OR SPECIAL DAMAGES, EVEN IF LDS5ZRA OR HIS
    ASSOCIATES HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH
    DAMAGES. SOME STATES DO NOT ALLOW THE EXCLUSION OR
    LIMITATION OF LIABILITY FOR CONSEQUENTIAL OR INCIDENTAL
    DAMAGES SO THE FOREGOING LIMITATION MAY NOT APPLY.

    Copyright LDS5ZRA 2010.
     
  9. Tim Slattery

    Tim Slattery Flightless Bird

    "Anthony Buckland" <anthonybucklandnospam@telus.net> wrote:

    >Someone was asking, what happens to all our postings
    >in Microsoft groups that are about to be discontinued.
    >The response was, everything disappears and can no
    >longer be accessed.


    GoogleGroups archives everything on Usenet, including the
    microsoft.public.* groups.

    > But what about, say, Giganews,
    >which has text retention currently of 2518 days? Will
    >all the postings in the 2518 days before shutdown stay
    >there, gradually disappearing one day at a time for the
    >next six years plus?


    Only the Giganews sysadmin can answer that. But bear in mind that
    Microsoft shutting down its NNTP server does not mean that other
    servers that carry these groups will drop them. In all probability,
    the groups will continue on Usenet servers around the world.

    --
    Tim Slattery
    Slattery_T@bls.gov
    http://members.cox.net/slatteryt
     
  10. Anthony Buckland

    Anthony Buckland Flightless Bird

    "Tim Slattery" <Slattery_T@bls.gov> wrote in message
    news:t6g2v5pq2gdppltcnggtqnh2jjo8pnj8mv@4ax.com...
    > wrote:
    >
    >>Someone was asking, what happens to all our postings
    >>in Microsoft groups that are about to be discontinued.
    >>The response was, everything disappears and can no
    >>longer be accessed.

    >
    > GoogleGroups archives everything on Usenet, including the
    > microsoft.public.* groups.
    >
    >> But what about, say, Giganews,
    >>which has text retention currently of 2518 days? Will
    >>all the postings in the 2518 days before shutdown stay
    >>there, gradually disappearing one day at a time for the
    >>next six years plus?

    >
    > Only the Giganews sysadmin can answer that.
    > ...


    And they did. Quoting from their reply:

    >Hello Anthony ,
    >I'm pleased to tell you that we will continue to offer them.


    So there's at least one place we will be able
    to go. In fact, I already have. :)
     
  11. Doum

    Doum Flightless Bird

    "Anthony Buckland" <anthonybucklandnospam@telus.net> écrivait
    news:eSja26F9KHA.5464@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl:

    > Someone was asking, what happens to all our postings
    > in Microsoft groups that are about to be discontinued.
    > The response was, everything disappears and can no
    > longer be accessed. But what about, say, Giganews,
    > which has text retention currently of 2518 days? Will
    > all the postings in the 2518 days before shutdown stay
    > there, gradually disappearing one day at a time for the
    > next six years plus? Okay, I could ask them; but I
    > assume there are other providers that might or might
    > not keep their copies of our postings while not allowing
    > new ones. Is anyone here informed on how this stuff
    > works?
    >
    >


    I use a music production software. The company that produces it used to
    have an NNTP server but they dropped that service in 2003 to go WEB forums.

    Their newsgroups have then been "hijacked" by regular users and are still
    going on today; I guess the same thing could happens with MS groups.
     
  12. Tom

    Tom Flightless Bird

    On Sat, 15 May 2010 11:44:49 -0700, Anthony Buckland wrote...
    >
    >
    >Someone was asking, what happens to all our postings
    >in Microsoft groups that are about to be discontinued.
    >The response was, everything disappears and can no
    >longer be accessed. But what about, say, Giganews,
    >which has text retention currently of 2518 days? Will
    >all the postings in the 2518 days before shutdown stay
    >there, gradually disappearing one day at a time for the
    >next six years plus? Okay, I could ask them; but I
    >assume there are other providers that might or might
    >not keep their copies of our postings while not allowing
    >new ones. Is anyone here informed on how this stuff
    >works?
    >
    >


    If Microsoft is dropping them though, there might not be enough Usenet traffic
    to sustain the groups with legitimate content. Besides existing groups, who
    would create valid new ones for newer products? Might be better offer looking
    for an equivalent alt or comp group that isn't maintained by a company.

    Tom
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