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Will people like Giganews retain discontinued Microsoft groups?

A

Anthony Buckland

Flightless Bird
Someone was asking, what happens to all our postings
in Microsoft groups that are about to be discontinued.
The response was, everything disappears and can no
longer be accessed. But what about, say, Giganews,
which has text retention currently of 2518 days? Will
all the postings in the 2518 days before shutdown stay
there, gradually disappearing one day at a time for the
next six years plus? Okay, I could ask them; but I
assume there are other providers that might or might
not keep their copies of our postings while not allowing
new ones. Is anyone here informed on how this stuff
works?
 
A

ANONYMOUS

Flightless Bird
Anthony Buckland wrote:

> Someone was asking, what happens to all our postings
> in Microsoft groups that are about to be discontinued.
> The response was, everything disappears and can no
> longer be accessed. But what about, say, Giganews,
> which has text retention currently of 2518 days? Will
> all the postings in the 2518 days before shutdown stay
> there, gradually disappearing one day at a time for the
> next six years plus? Okay, I could ask them; but I
> assume there are other providers that might or might
> not keep their copies of our postings while not allowing
> new ones. Is anyone here informed on how this stuff
> works?
>
>


The Google's archive will remain in place for at least 7 years so you
won't have any problems accessing old, unworkable solutions, by
Pig-Bear, Microsoft Valuable Pig.

The link to the archive is here:

<http://groups.google.co.uk/group/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/topics?lnk=srg&hl=en>

hth
 
V

VanguardLH

Flightless Bird
Anthony Buckland wrote:

> Someone was asking, what happens to all our postings
> in Microsoft groups that are about to be discontinued.
> The response was, everything disappears and can no
> longer be accessed. But what about, say, Giganews,
> which has text retention currently of 2518 days? Will
> all the postings in the 2518 days before shutdown stay
> there, gradually disappearing one day at a time for the
> next six years plus? Okay, I could ask them; but I
> assume there are other providers that might or might
> not keep their copies of our postings while not allowing
> new ones. Is anyone here informed on how this stuff
> works?


That Microsoft kills their NNTP server does not force the discontinuance
of continued peering amongst the rest of the worldwide mesh network of
NNTP servers. Whether some of them also drop the microsoft.public.*
newsgroups depends on just what the operators of those servers want to
do. They may continue carrying those newsgroups even with the
significant reduction of traffic due to the absence of all the
webnews-for-boobs users of Microsoft's "Communities" gateway to Usenet
that pretended those were forums. They may follow suite and also drop
those newsgroups. I've seen reports from some users of other NNTP
servers that they are dropping the microsoft.public.* groups (and doing
so even before Microsoft has dropped them from Microsoft's NNTP server).

Some NNTP operators will use any excuse to reduce bandwidth and disk
space. Microsoft dropping the newsgroups (because they kill their NNTP
server) may be sufficient for some NNTP operators to do the same. Some
may continue carrying those newsgroups and not give a gnat's fart about
Microsoft's need for control which they could never exercise over
Usenet.

I've visited the web forums at Microsoft. They don't have as many as
there are newsgroups, so dropping NNTP means many newsgroups will simply
disappear because there is no matching web-based forum. That interface
sucks. It is slow, flat (i.e., no hierarchy), and has limited
functionality (i.e., many features in newsreaders are not available in
their forums), and not all their forums have been rolled together under
one umbrella (e.g., the SysInternal forums are still separate).

You would need to check if an NNTP operator has already dropped some or
all of the microsoft.public.* newsgroups. If not, all you can do is ask
them what are their plans for after Microsoft drops those newsgroups (by
killing off their NNTP server). For Giganews, only Giganews can comment
on what they plan to do with their own NNTP service.
 
L

LDS5ZRA

Flightless Bird
The answers are posted here:

<http://groups.google.co.uk/group/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/topics?lnk=srg&>

hth


Anthony Buckland wrote:
>
> Someone was asking, what happens to all our postings
> in Microsoft groups that are about to be discontinued.
> The response was, everything disappears and can no
> longer be accessed. But what about, say, Giganews,
> which has text retention currently of 2518 days? Will
> all the postings in the 2518 days before shutdown stay
> there, gradually disappearing one day at a time for the
> next six years plus? Okay, I could ask them; but I
> assume there are other providers that might or might
> not keep their copies of our postings while not allowing
> new ones. Is anyone here informed on how this stuff
> works?


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P

PA Bear [MS MVP]

Flightless Bird
What did Giganews Support tell you when you asked them that question?

Anthony Buckland wrote:
> Someone was asking, what happens to all our postings
> in Microsoft groups that are about to be discontinued.
> The response was, everything disappears and can no
> longer be accessed. But what about, say, Giganews,
> which has text retention currently of 2518 days? Will
> all the postings in the 2518 days before shutdown stay
> there, gradually disappearing one day at a time for the
> next six years plus? Okay, I could ask them; but I
> assume there are other providers that might or might
> not keep their copies of our postings while not allowing
> new ones. Is anyone here informed on how this stuff
> works?
 
A

Anthony Buckland

Flightless Bird
"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:uHsSi7H9KHA.5808@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> What did Giganews Support tell you when you asked them that question?
>
> Anthony Buckland wrote:
>> Someone was asking, what happens to all our postings
>> in Microsoft groups that are about to be discontinued.
>> The response was, everything disappears and can no
>> longer be accessed. But what about, say, Giganews,
>> which has text retention currently of 2518 days? Will
>> all the postings in the 2518 days before shutdown stay
>> there, gradually disappearing one day at a time for the
>> next six years plus? Okay, I could ask them; but I
>> assume there are other providers that might or might
>> not keep their copies of our postings while not allowing
>> new ones. Is anyone here informed on how this stuff
>> works?


PA Bear, you can be relied on for the right question.
Yup, I'm going to ask them, but I thought I'd raise the
general issue here first in case somebody needed to
immediately shoot me down. I'll report if I get a response.
 
A

ANONYMOUS

Flightless Bird
Anthony Buckland wrote:
> Someone was asking, what happens to all our postings
> in Microsoft groups that are about to be discontinued.
> The response was, everything disappears and can no
> longer be accessed. But what about, say, Giganews,
> which has text retention currently of 2518 days? Will
> all the postings in the 2518 days before shutdown stay
> there, gradually disappearing one day at a time for the
> next six years plus? Okay, I could ask them; but I
> assume there are other providers that might or might
> not keep their copies of our postings while not allowing
> new ones. Is anyone here informed on how this stuff
> works?
>
>



The Google's archive will remain in place for at least 7 years so you
won't have any problems accessing old, unworkable solutions, by
Pig-Bear, Microsoft Valuable Pig.

The link to the archive is here:

<http://groups.google.co.uk/group/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/topics?lnk=srg&hl=en
 
L

LDS5ZRA

Flightless Bird
The answers are posted here:

<http://groups.google.co.uk/group/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/topics?lnk=srg&>

hth



Anthony Buckland wrote:
>
> Someone was asking, what happens to all our postings
> in Microsoft groups that are about to be discontinued.
> The response was, everything disappears and can no
> longer be accessed. But what about, say, Giganews,
> which has text retention currently of 2518 days? Will
> all the postings in the 2518 days before shutdown stay
> there, gradually disappearing one day at a time for the
> next six years plus? Okay, I could ask them; but I
> assume there are other providers that might or might
> not keep their copies of our postings while not allowing
> new ones. Is anyone here informed on how this stuff
> works?


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THE INFORMATION IS PROVIDED "AS IS" WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY
KIND. LDS5ZRA DISCLAIMS ALL WARRANTIES, EITHER EXPRESSED OR
IMPLIED, INCLUDING THE WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND
FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. IN NO EVENT SHALL LDS5ZRA
OR HIS ASSOCIATES BE LIABLE FOR ANY DAMAGES WHATSOEVER
INCLUDING DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, CONSEQUENTIAL, LOSS OF
BUSINESS PROFITS OR SPECIAL DAMAGES, EVEN IF LDS5ZRA OR HIS
ASSOCIATES HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH
DAMAGES. SOME STATES DO NOT ALLOW THE EXCLUSION OR
LIMITATION OF LIABILITY FOR CONSEQUENTIAL OR INCIDENTAL
DAMAGES SO THE FOREGOING LIMITATION MAY NOT APPLY.

Copyright LDS5ZRA 2010.
 
T

Tim Slattery

Flightless Bird
"Anthony Buckland" <anthonybucklandnospam@telus.net> wrote:

>Someone was asking, what happens to all our postings
>in Microsoft groups that are about to be discontinued.
>The response was, everything disappears and can no
>longer be accessed.


GoogleGroups archives everything on Usenet, including the
microsoft.public.* groups.

> But what about, say, Giganews,
>which has text retention currently of 2518 days? Will
>all the postings in the 2518 days before shutdown stay
>there, gradually disappearing one day at a time for the
>next six years plus?


Only the Giganews sysadmin can answer that. But bear in mind that
Microsoft shutting down its NNTP server does not mean that other
servers that carry these groups will drop them. In all probability,
the groups will continue on Usenet servers around the world.

--
Tim Slattery
Slattery_T@bls.gov
http://members.cox.net/slatteryt
 
A

Anthony Buckland

Flightless Bird
"Tim Slattery" <Slattery_T@bls.gov> wrote in message
news:t6g2v5pq2gdppltcnggtqnh2jjo8pnj8mv@4ax.com...
> wrote:
>
>>Someone was asking, what happens to all our postings
>>in Microsoft groups that are about to be discontinued.
>>The response was, everything disappears and can no
>>longer be accessed.

>
> GoogleGroups archives everything on Usenet, including the
> microsoft.public.* groups.
>
>> But what about, say, Giganews,
>>which has text retention currently of 2518 days? Will
>>all the postings in the 2518 days before shutdown stay
>>there, gradually disappearing one day at a time for the
>>next six years plus?

>
> Only the Giganews sysadmin can answer that.
> ...


And they did. Quoting from their reply:

>Hello Anthony ,
>I'm pleased to tell you that we will continue to offer them.


So there's at least one place we will be able
to go. In fact, I already have. :)
 
D

Doum

Flightless Bird
"Anthony Buckland" <anthonybucklandnospam@telus.net> écrivait
news:eSja26F9KHA.5464@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl:

> Someone was asking, what happens to all our postings
> in Microsoft groups that are about to be discontinued.
> The response was, everything disappears and can no
> longer be accessed. But what about, say, Giganews,
> which has text retention currently of 2518 days? Will
> all the postings in the 2518 days before shutdown stay
> there, gradually disappearing one day at a time for the
> next six years plus? Okay, I could ask them; but I
> assume there are other providers that might or might
> not keep their copies of our postings while not allowing
> new ones. Is anyone here informed on how this stuff
> works?
>
>


I use a music production software. The company that produces it used to
have an NNTP server but they dropped that service in 2003 to go WEB forums.

Their newsgroups have then been "hijacked" by regular users and are still
going on today; I guess the same thing could happens with MS groups.
 
T

Tom

Flightless Bird
On Sat, 15 May 2010 11:44:49 -0700, Anthony Buckland wrote...
>
>
>Someone was asking, what happens to all our postings
>in Microsoft groups that are about to be discontinued.
>The response was, everything disappears and can no
>longer be accessed. But what about, say, Giganews,
>which has text retention currently of 2518 days? Will
>all the postings in the 2518 days before shutdown stay
>there, gradually disappearing one day at a time for the
>next six years plus? Okay, I could ask them; but I
>assume there are other providers that might or might
>not keep their copies of our postings while not allowing
>new ones. Is anyone here informed on how this stuff
>works?
>
>


If Microsoft is dropping them though, there might not be enough Usenet traffic
to sustain the groups with legitimate content. Besides existing groups, who
would create valid new ones for newer products? Might be better offer looking
for an equivalent alt or comp group that isn't maintained by a company.

Tom
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