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Will Another 1GB of RAM Help?

Discussion in 'Windows 7' started by Justin, Jul 15, 2010.

  1. Justin

    Justin Flightless Bird

  2. Kevin John Panzke

    Kevin John Panzke Flightless Bird

    Most likely it will help.

    "Justin" <justin@nobecauseihatespam.org> wrote in message
    news:justin-2F1501.00243816072010@62-183-169-81.bb.dnainternet.fi...
    > Hi folks, I have a Dell D430 with 1GB or RAM.
    > When I installed WIndows 7 - this thing is redefining slow.
    > Would another gig of ram help?
    >
    > http://www.imagebam.com/image/a8870888787396
     
  3. Nil

    Nil Flightless Bird

    On 15 Jul 2010, Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.org> wrote in
    alt.windows7.general:

    > Hi folks, I have a Dell D430 with 1GB or RAM.
    > When I installed WIndows 7 - this thing is redefining slow.
    > Would another gig of ram help?


    Probably. The conventional wisdom is that 2GB is a comfortable minimum,
    no matter what Microsoft may claim.

    RAM is cheap. Go for it.
     
  4. Justin

    Justin Flightless Bird

    In article <Xns9DB6DD29FE6C5nilch1@130.133.4.11>,
    Nil <rednoise@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> wrote:

    > On 15 Jul 2010, Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.org> wrote in
    > alt.windows7.general:
    >
    > > Hi folks, I have a Dell D430 with 1GB or RAM.
    > > When I installed WIndows 7 - this thing is redefining slow.
    > > Would another gig of ram help?

    >
    > Probably. The conventional wisdom is that 2GB is a comfortable minimum,
    > no matter what Microsoft may claim.
    >
    > RAM is cheap. Go for it.


    Already ordered.
    Actually the RAM in my iMac is the same type this thing takes, so I'm
    upgrading the iMac and putting the used RAM stick in the D430.
    IN the meantime the D430is getting Ubuntu.
    Actually even Lucid 64 is slow as balls...
     
  5. Paul

    Paul Flightless Bird

    Justin wrote:
    > In article <Xns9DB6DD29FE6C5nilch1@130.133.4.11>,
    > Nil <rednoise@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> wrote:
    >
    >> On 15 Jul 2010, Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.org> wrote in
    >> alt.windows7.general:
    >>
    >>> Hi folks, I have a Dell D430 with 1GB or RAM.
    >>> When I installed WIndows 7 - this thing is redefining slow.
    >>> Would another gig of ram help?

    >> Probably. The conventional wisdom is that 2GB is a comfortable minimum,
    >> no matter what Microsoft may claim.
    >>
    >> RAM is cheap. Go for it.

    >
    > Already ordered.
    > Actually the RAM in my iMac is the same type this thing takes, so I'm
    > upgrading the iMac and putting the used RAM stick in the D430.
    > IN the meantime the D430is getting Ubuntu.
    > Actually even Lucid 64 is slow as balls...


    Before you did that, it would have been useful to get the
    Windows Experience Index numbers for all the subsystems
    in the machine.

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b7/Windows_experience_index_in_windows_7.png

    It looks like your D430 uses a 4200RPM 1.8" PATA ZIF hard
    drive. And finding a good replacement for that, would be
    difficult. The best modern replacement SSDs have things
    like microSATA connectors on them, and the connector
    available on your machine uses an older standard. (In
    fact, it looks like a flex cable, is used to convert from
    PATA ZIF, to some other connector.)

    It's hard to say, how long a brand like this would last. You
    really need a lot of reviews, to see if the product is
    reliable or not. The second one has slightly better read/write
    (but those read/write figures are for sequential access, and
    can be deceiving under real world conditions).

    http://www.amazon.com/128GB-1-8-inch-40-pin-SaberTooth-solid/dp/B0035OOC5W

    http://www.activemp.com/SSD/18-IDE-PATA-ZIF-SSD-ZT-turbo.htm

    Wasn't WinXP working OK on that thing ? Why did you switch
    in the first place ? A gig of RAM would have been OK for WinXP.
    And Ubuntu should be OK with a gig of RAM as well (I run
    Ubuntu in VirtualPC with 1GB of RAM assigned to it.)

    Any OS that thrashes that hard drive, is going to seem slow.

    Paul
     
  6. philo

    philo Flightless Bird

    On 07/16/2010 01:19 AM, Justin wrote:
    > In article<Xns9DB6DD29FE6C5nilch1@130.133.4.11>,
    > Nil<rednoise@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> wrote:
    >
    >> On 15 Jul 2010, Justin<justin@nobecauseihatespam.org> wrote in
    >> alt.windows7.general:
    >>
    >>> Hi folks, I have a Dell D430 with 1GB or RAM.
    >>> When I installed WIndows 7 - this thing is redefining slow.
    >>> Would another gig of ram help?

    >>
    >> Probably. The conventional wisdom is that 2GB is a comfortable minimum,
    >> no matter what Microsoft may claim.
    >>
    >> RAM is cheap. Go for it.

    >
    > Already ordered.
    > Actually the RAM in my iMac is the same type this thing takes, so I'm
    > upgrading the iMac and putting the used RAM stick in the D430.
    > IN the meantime the D430is getting Ubuntu.
    > Actually even Lucid 64 is slow as balls...




    considering how cheap ram is

    I've upgraded all my machines


    3 gigs of ram for all running 32 bit OS's

    and 4 gigs for those with 64 bit OS's


    Now days 2 gigs is pretty much the recommended minimum


    it seems like only yesterday when I bought an extra 32megs of ram for my
    P-1 (went from 8 megs to 40)

    probably paid more than what a one gig stick costs today!
     
  7. Justin

    Justin Flightless Bird

    In article <i1p026$jvu$1@news.eternal-september.org>,
    Paul <nospam@needed.com> wrote:

    > Justin wrote:
    > > In article <Xns9DB6DD29FE6C5nilch1@130.133.4.11>,
    > > Nil <rednoise@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> wrote:
    > >
    > >> On 15 Jul 2010, Justin <justin@nobecauseihatespam.org> wrote in
    > >> alt.windows7.general:
    > >>
    > >>> Hi folks, I have a Dell D430 with 1GB or RAM.
    > >>> When I installed WIndows 7 - this thing is redefining slow.
    > >>> Would another gig of ram help?
    > >> Probably. The conventional wisdom is that 2GB is a comfortable minimum,
    > >> no matter what Microsoft may claim.
    > >>
    > >> RAM is cheap. Go for it.

    > >
    > > Already ordered.
    > > Actually the RAM in my iMac is the same type this thing takes, so I'm
    > > upgrading the iMac and putting the used RAM stick in the D430.
    > > IN the meantime the D430is getting Ubuntu.
    > > Actually even Lucid 64 is slow as balls...

    >
    > Before you did that, it would have been useful to get the
    > Windows Experience Index numbers for all the subsystems
    > in the machine.
    >
    > http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b7/Windows_experience_index_in_wind
    > ows_7.png
    >
    > It looks like your D430 uses a 4200RPM 1.8" PATA ZIF hard
    > drive. And finding a good replacement for that, would be
    > difficult. The best modern replacement SSDs have things
    > like microSATA connectors on them, and the connector
    > available on your machine uses an older standard. (In
    > fact, it looks like a flex cable, is used to convert from
    > PATA ZIF, to some other connector.)


    I looked at upgrading the hard drive, but that stupid 1.8" form factor
    limits the possibilities.

    >
    > It's hard to say, how long a brand like this would last. You
    > really need a lot of reviews, to see if the product is
    > reliable or not. The second one has slightly better read/write
    > (but those read/write figures are for sequential access, and
    > can be deceiving under real world conditions).
    >
    > http://www.amazon.com/128GB-1-8-inch-40-pin-SaberTooth-solid/dp/B0035OOC5W
    >
    > http://www.activemp.com/SSD/18-IDE-PATA-ZIF-SSD-ZT-turbo.htm
    >
    > Wasn't WinXP working OK on that thing ? Why did you switch
    > in the first place ? A gig of RAM would have been OK for WinXP.
    > And Ubuntu should be OK with a gig of RAM as well (I run


    I bought it off eBay without an OS. My intent was to put Seven on it,
    since I have an extra license and number laying around. Once I do that
    I'm going to sell the system on eBay.

    > Ubuntu in VirtualPC with 1GB of RAM assigned to it.)
    >
    > Any OS that thrashes that hard drive, is going to seem slow.
    >
    > Paul
     
  8. Chuck

    Chuck Flightless Bird

    On 7/16/2010 12:24 AM, Justin wrote:
    > Hi folks, I have a Dell D430 with 1GB or RAM.
    > When I installed WIndows 7 - this thing is redefining slow.
    > Would another gig of ram help?
    >
    > http://www.imagebam.com/image/a8870888787396

    Yes, 2G is about the minimum for decent operation.
    This unit has 533Mhz RAM,and possibly 1.33Ghz core 2 Duo processor.
    Actually, if it were available, I'd likely use Win XP Pro instead of
    Win7 on this machine. (Assuming drivers, etc are available)
     
  9. Helroy

    Helroy Flightless Bird

  10. LouB

    LouB Flightless Bird

    Helroy wrote:
    >
    > "Justin" <justin@nobecauseihatespam.org> wrote in message
    > news:justin-2F1501.00243816072010@62-183-169-81.bb.dnainternet.fi...
    >> Hi folks, I have a Dell D430 with 1GB or RAM.
    >> When I installed WIndows 7 - this thing is redefining slow.
    >> Would another gig of ram help?
    >>
    >> http://www.imagebam.com/image/a8870888787396

    >
    >
    > I would run Windows7 upgrade advisor before installing.
    > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/get/upgrade-advisor.aspx
    >

    Already has win 7 so more ram is the way to go.
    3 rather than 2 would be even better.
     
  11. Ken Blake

    Ken Blake Flightless Bird

    On Fri, 16 Jul 2010 00:24:38 -0400, Justin
    <justin@nobecauseihatespam.org> wrote:

    > Hi folks, I have a Dell D430 with 1GB or RAM.
    > When I installed WIndows 7 - this thing is redefining slow.
    > Would another gig of ram help?



    Almost certainly it should make a big difference. Except for those who
    do little more with their computer than play solitaire, 2GB is the
    minimum amount of RAM you should have.
     
  12. Ken Blake

    Ken Blake Flightless Bird

    On Fri, 16 Jul 2010 10:27:51 -0400, LouB <Lou@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    > Helroy wrote:
    > >
    > > "Justin" <justin@nobecauseihatespam.org> wrote in message
    > > news:justin-2F1501.00243816072010@62-183-169-81.bb.dnainternet.fi...
    > >> Hi folks, I have a Dell D430 with 1GB or RAM.
    > >> When I installed WIndows 7 - this thing is redefining slow.
    > >> Would another gig of ram help?
    > >>
    > >> http://www.imagebam.com/image/a8870888787396

    > >
    > >
    > > I would run Windows7 upgrade advisor before installing.
    > > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/get/upgrade-advisor.aspx
    > >

    > Already has win 7 so more ram is the way to go.
    > 3 rather than 2 would be even better.



    How much RAM you need for good performance is *not* a
    one-size-fits-all situation. You get good performance if the amount of
    RAM you have keeps you from using the page file significantly, and
    that depends on what apps you run.

    If you are currently using the page file significantly, more memory
    will decrease or eliminate that usage, and improve your performance.
    If you are not using the page file significantly, more memory will do
    little or nothing for you.

    So depending on what he runs, 3GB may or may not be better for him
    than 2GB.
     
  13. Leythos

    Leythos Flightless Bird

    In article <justin-2F1501.00243816072010@62-183-169-
    81.bb.dnainternet.fi>, justin@nobecauseihatespam.org says...
    >
    > Hi folks, I have a Dell D430 with 1GB or RAM.
    > When I installed WIndows 7 - this thing is redefining slow.
    > Would another gig of ram help?


    I'm running Windows 7 Professional on a machine with 4GB ram, the x64
    version.

    The computer, with MS Office 2007 and Gravity News Reader open, along
    with typical things (Antivirus, YIM) sits at about 1.32GB, opening Word
    2007 with a simple text type document pushes it to 1.38GB.

    I would suggest that you increase your system ram to at LEAST 2GB and
    possibly 3GB if you can afford it.

    With 1GB ram you are constantly swapping out memory to make room for
    applications that you are using.

    --
    You can't trust your best friends, your five senses, only the little
    voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that.
    Trust yourself.
    spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)
     
  14. Thip

    Thip Flightless Bird

    "Ken Blake" <kblake@this.is.invalid.com> wrote in message
    news:9b6146ph38e7m0v43m5g671b7ec4jvr2b5@4ax.com...
    > On Fri, 16 Jul 2010 00:24:38 -0400, Justin
    >
    > Almost certainly it should make a big difference. Except for those who
    > do little more with their computer than play solitaire, 2GB is the
    > minimum amount of RAM you should have.


    ReadyBoost works quite well in Win7 if the user is stuck with just 2 GB.
     
  15. Ken Blake

    Ken Blake Flightless Bird

    On Fri, 16 Jul 2010 19:00:47 -0400, "Thip" <me@privacy.net> wrote:

    > "Ken Blake" <kblake@this.is.invalid.com> wrote in message
    > news:9b6146ph38e7m0v43m5g671b7ec4jvr2b5@4ax.com...
    > > On Fri, 16 Jul 2010 00:24:38 -0400, Justin
    > >
    > > Almost certainly it should make a big difference. Except for those who
    > > do little more with their computer than play solitaire, 2GB is the
    > > minimum amount of RAM you should have.

    >
    > ReadyBoost works quite well in Win7 if the user is stuck with just 2 GB.



    Not my experience at all. I've found readyboost to be useless, except
    for those well under 2gB.
     
  16. Justin

    Justin Flightless Bird

    In article <4C406C67.6080900@invalid.invalid>,
    LouB <Lou@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    > Helroy wrote:
    > >
    > > "Justin" <justin@nobecauseihatespam.org> wrote in message
    > > news:justin-2F1501.00243816072010@62-183-169-81.bb.dnainternet.fi...
    > >> Hi folks, I have a Dell D430 with 1GB or RAM.
    > >> When I installed WIndows 7 - this thing is redefining slow.
    > >> Would another gig of ram help?
    > >>
    > >> http://www.imagebam.com/image/a8870888787396

    > >
    > >
    > > I would run Windows7 upgrade advisor before installing.
    > > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/get/upgrade-advisor.aspx
    > >

    > Already has win 7 so more ram is the way to go.
    > 3 rather than 2 would be even better.


    The Dell D430 can only support 2GB of ram.
     
  17. Paul

    Paul Flightless Bird

    Justin wrote:
    > In article <4C406C67.6080900@invalid.invalid>,
    > LouB <Lou@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    >
    >> Helroy wrote:
    >>> "Justin" <justin@nobecauseihatespam.org> wrote in message
    >>> news:justin-2F1501.00243816072010@62-183-169-81.bb.dnainternet.fi...
    >>>> Hi folks, I have a Dell D430 with 1GB or RAM.
    >>>> When I installed WIndows 7 - this thing is redefining slow.
    >>>> Would another gig of ram help?
    >>>>
    >>>> http://www.imagebam.com/image/a8870888787396
    >>>
    >>> I would run Windows7 upgrade advisor before installing.
    >>> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/get/upgrade-advisor.aspx
    >>>

    >> Already has win 7 so more ram is the way to go.
    >> 3 rather than 2 would be even better.

    >
    > The Dell D430 can only support 2GB of ram.


    I wouldn't be too sure about that. It has 1GB soldered
    in and one SODIMM slot. The 945GM datasheet seems to be indicating
    that SODIMM could be a 2GB module. The total max might be 1+2=3GB.
    (If the original memory wasn't soldered in, it could have been upgraded
    as well.) For performance reasons, a better combo would be 1+1 (dual channel
    symmetric mode). It all depends on whether the OS caching habits
    with 3GB total, exceed the benefits of running 1+1 dual channel symmetric
    and getting slightly more memory bandwidth.

    http://www.memoryx.net/dellbuo.html

    http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Dell-Latitude-D430-Subnotebook.7900.0.html

    "The reviewed notebook was equipped with one Gigabyte soldered DDR2 RAM.
    Nevertheless, the RAM capacity can still be easily enhanced to up to 3 GB,
    because there is a free memory slot hidden beneath a maintenance opening.
    Considering the current RAM costs, this is surely a good idea. But,
    Windows XP ran also smoothly with only one GB RAM."

    See Table 22 and Figure 15, starting on PDF page 339. This is the
    info for the 945GM, which should be the chipset of that computer.

    http://www.intel.com/Assets/PDF/datasheet/309219.pdf

    You can verify the chipset present, with something like CPUZ. Some
    chipsets are hard to tell apart, so the utilities identify the
    chipset as a member of a "family", rather than stating it is one
    exact chipset. Using the no-install version of this utility,
    means you can just run the executable without needing to
    mess around.

    http://www.cpuid.com/cpuz.php

    Paul
     
  18. Seth

    Seth Flightless Bird

    "Paul" <nospam@needed.com> wrote in message
    news:i1r5mm$5ie$1@news.eternal-september.org...
    > Justin wrote:
    >> In article <4C406C67.6080900@invalid.invalid>,
    >> LouB <Lou@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    >>
    >>> Helroy wrote:
    >>>> "Justin" <justin@nobecauseihatespam.org> wrote in message
    >>>> news:justin-2F1501.00243816072010@62-183-169-81.bb.dnainternet.fi...
    >>>>> Hi folks, I have a Dell D430 with 1GB or RAM.
    >>>>> When I installed WIndows 7 - this thing is redefining slow.
    >>>>> Would another gig of ram help?
    >>>>>
    >>>>> http://www.imagebam.com/image/a8870888787396
    >>>>
    >>>> I would run Windows7 upgrade advisor before installing.
    >>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/get/upgrade-advisor.aspx
    >>>>
    >>> Already has win 7 so more ram is the way to go.
    >>> 3 rather than 2 would be even better.

    >>
    >> The Dell D430 can only support 2GB of ram.

    >
    > I wouldn't be too sure about that. It has 1GB soldered
    > in and one SODIMM slot. The 945GM datasheet seems to be indicating
    > that SODIMM could be a 2GB module. The total max might be 1+2=3GB.
    > (If the original memory wasn't soldered in, it could have been upgraded
    > as well.) For performance reasons, a better combo would be 1+1 (dual
    > channel
    > symmetric mode). It all depends on whether the OS caching habits
    > with 3GB total, exceed the benefits of running 1+1 dual channel symmetric
    > and getting slightly more memory bandwidth.
    >
    > http://www.memoryx.net/dellbuo.html
    >
    > http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Dell-Latitude-D430-Subnotebook.7900.0.html
    >
    > "The reviewed notebook was equipped with one Gigabyte soldered DDR2
    > RAM.
    > Nevertheless, the RAM capacity can still be easily enhanced to up to 3
    > GB,
    > because there is a free memory slot hidden beneath a maintenance
    > opening.
    > Considering the current RAM costs, this is surely a good idea. But,
    > Windows XP ran also smoothly with only one GB RAM."
    >
    > See Table 22 and Figure 15, starting on PDF page 339. This is the
    > info for the 945GM, which should be the chipset of that computer.
    >
    > http://www.intel.com/Assets/PDF/datasheet/309219.pdf
    >
    > You can verify the chipset present, with something like CPUZ. Some
    > chipsets are hard to tell apart, so the utilities identify the
    > chipset as a member of a "family", rather than stating it is one
    > exact chipset. Using the no-install version of this utility,
    > means you can just run the executable without needing to
    > mess around.


    According to both Dell and www.crucial.com it only supports 2G max. the 1G
    on-board and 1 additional. While the Intel chipset may support a 2G
    expansion, the Dell design doesn't.
     
  19. Paul

    Paul Flightless Bird

    Seth wrote:
    >
    > "Paul" <nospam@needed.com> wrote in message
    > news:i1r5mm$5ie$1@news.eternal-september.org...
    >> Justin wrote:
    >>> In article <4C406C67.6080900@invalid.invalid>,
    >>> LouB <Lou@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> Helroy wrote:
    >>>>> "Justin" <justin@nobecauseihatespam.org> wrote in message
    >>>>> news:justin-2F1501.00243816072010@62-183-169-81.bb.dnainternet.fi...
    >>>>>> Hi folks, I have a Dell D430 with 1GB or RAM.
    >>>>>> When I installed WIndows 7 - this thing is redefining slow.
    >>>>>> Would another gig of ram help?
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> http://www.imagebam.com/image/a8870888787396
    >>>>>
    >>>>> I would run Windows7 upgrade advisor before installing.
    >>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/get/upgrade-advisor.aspx
    >>>>>
    >>>> Already has win 7 so more ram is the way to go.
    >>>> 3 rather than 2 would be even better.
    >>>
    >>> The Dell D430 can only support 2GB of ram.

    >>
    >> I wouldn't be too sure about that. It has 1GB soldered
    >> in and one SODIMM slot. The 945GM datasheet seems to be indicating
    >> that SODIMM could be a 2GB module. The total max might be 1+2=3GB.
    >> (If the original memory wasn't soldered in, it could have been upgraded
    >> as well.) For performance reasons, a better combo would be 1+1 (dual
    >> channel
    >> symmetric mode). It all depends on whether the OS caching habits
    >> with 3GB total, exceed the benefits of running 1+1 dual channel symmetric
    >> and getting slightly more memory bandwidth.
    >>
    >> http://www.memoryx.net/dellbuo.html
    >>
    >> http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Dell-Latitude-D430-Subnotebook.7900.0.html
    >>
    >>
    >> "The reviewed notebook was equipped with one Gigabyte soldered DDR2
    >> RAM.
    >> Nevertheless, the RAM capacity can still be easily enhanced to up
    >> to 3 GB,
    >> because there is a free memory slot hidden beneath a maintenance
    >> opening.
    >> Considering the current RAM costs, this is surely a good idea. But,
    >> Windows XP ran also smoothly with only one GB RAM."
    >>
    >> See Table 22 and Figure 15, starting on PDF page 339. This is the
    >> info for the 945GM, which should be the chipset of that computer.
    >>
    >> http://www.intel.com/Assets/PDF/datasheet/309219.pdf
    >>
    >> You can verify the chipset present, with something like CPUZ. Some
    >> chipsets are hard to tell apart, so the utilities identify the
    >> chipset as a member of a "family", rather than stating it is one
    >> exact chipset. Using the no-install version of this utility,
    >> means you can just run the executable without needing to
    >> mess around.

    >
    > According to both Dell and www.crucial.com it only supports 2G max. the
    > 1G on-board and 1 additional. While the Intel chipset may support a 2G
    > expansion, the Dell design doesn't.
    >


    OK, I found another document on the Dell site, and this one says the D430
    has a 945GMS and not a 945GM. (And the CPUZ utility is typically of no
    help in situations like this, as it can't seem to tell the difference
    between them, using electronic identification.)

    http://www.dell.com/downloads/global/products/latit/en/spec_latit_d430_en.pdf

    The 945GMS appears to be single channel. PDF page 28 has the details.

    http://www.intel.com/Assets/PDF/datasheet/309219.pdf

    * Supports single-channel DDR2 SDRAM only
    * Maximum Memory supported 2 GB
    * Memory Channel Topologies supported:
    - Single-channel with 1 SO-DIMM only (up to 1 G8)
    - Single-channel with 1 SO-DIMM (up to 1 G8) and Memory Down (up to 1 G8)
    * Support for DDR2 at 400 MHz and 533 MHz

    That is more consistent with the info Dell gives.

    Someone tried 1+2 here on the D430 and the machine failed to POST.

    http://forum.notebookreview.com/dell-latitude-vostro-precision/267864-dell-d430-3gb-ram-2.html

    The above information also means, that Justin will not see a bandwidth
    increase, when the SODIMM is installed. He'll see more memory, but the
    single channel bus won't provide any more megabytes/sec in a memory
    benchmark. The 945GM might have done that, if it was present.

    It also makes me wonder, how many product returns they got on this
    site, for selling a 2GB SODIMM for the D430.

    http://www.memoryx.net/dellbuo.html

    *******

    Have I found hardware, where more memory does work ? Yes. My previous
    motherboard had a chipset, where the chipset manufacturer claimed
    it would only support 2x1GB. And after reading some things on a German
    web site, I tried 1+2 and 2+2GB combinations, and they both worked.
    So you can find products, where the information provided is incorrect.
    Years ago, the 440BX boards were like that as well - initially supporting
    128MB and eventually taking low density 256MB modules. Every once in
    a while, people discover these things and take advantage of them.

    Paul
     
  20. Paul

    Paul Flightless Bird

    Paul wrote:
    > Seth wrote:
    >>
    >> "Paul" <nospam@needed.com> wrote in message
    >> news:i1r5mm$5ie$1@news.eternal-september.org...
    >>> Justin wrote:
    >>>> In article <4C406C67.6080900@invalid.invalid>,
    >>>> LouB <Lou@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>> Helroy wrote:
    >>>>>> "Justin" <justin@nobecauseihatespam.org> wrote in message
    >>>>>> news:justin-2F1501.00243816072010@62-183-169-81.bb.dnainternet.fi...
    >>>>>>> Hi folks, I have a Dell D430 with 1GB or RAM.
    >>>>>>> When I installed WIndows 7 - this thing is redefining slow.
    >>>>>>> Would another gig of ram help?
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> http://www.imagebam.com/image/a8870888787396
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> I would run Windows7 upgrade advisor before installing.
    >>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/get/upgrade-advisor.aspx
    >>>>>>
    >>>>> Already has win 7 so more ram is the way to go.
    >>>>> 3 rather than 2 would be even better.
    >>>>
    >>>> The Dell D430 can only support 2GB of ram.
    >>>
    >>> I wouldn't be too sure about that. It has 1GB soldered
    >>> in and one SODIMM slot. The 945GM datasheet seems to be indicating
    >>> that SODIMM could be a 2GB module. The total max might be 1+2=3GB.
    >>> (If the original memory wasn't soldered in, it could have been upgraded
    >>> as well.) For performance reasons, a better combo would be 1+1 (dual
    >>> channel
    >>> symmetric mode). It all depends on whether the OS caching habits
    >>> with 3GB total, exceed the benefits of running 1+1 dual channel
    >>> symmetric
    >>> and getting slightly more memory bandwidth.
    >>>
    >>> http://www.memoryx.net/dellbuo.html
    >>>
    >>> http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Dell-Latitude-D430-Subnotebook.7900.0.html
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> "The reviewed notebook was equipped with one Gigabyte soldered
    >>> DDR2 RAM.
    >>> Nevertheless, the RAM capacity can still be easily enhanced to up
    >>> to 3 GB,
    >>> because there is a free memory slot hidden beneath a maintenance
    >>> opening.
    >>> Considering the current RAM costs, this is surely a good idea. But,
    >>> Windows XP ran also smoothly with only one GB RAM."
    >>>
    >>> See Table 22 and Figure 15, starting on PDF page 339. This is the
    >>> info for the 945GM, which should be the chipset of that computer.
    >>>
    >>> http://www.intel.com/Assets/PDF/datasheet/309219.pdf
    >>>
    >>> You can verify the chipset present, with something like CPUZ. Some
    >>> chipsets are hard to tell apart, so the utilities identify the
    >>> chipset as a member of a "family", rather than stating it is one
    >>> exact chipset. Using the no-install version of this utility,
    >>> means you can just run the executable without needing to
    >>> mess around.

    >>
    >> According to both Dell and www.crucial.com it only supports 2G max.
    >> the 1G on-board and 1 additional. While the Intel chipset may support
    >> a 2G expansion, the Dell design doesn't.
    >>


    It gets even weirder here. Compare D420 to D430. Both use the same
    chipset, and the capabilities on the RAM front are different.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dell_Latitude

    D420 512MB soldered + 2GB SODIMM (945GMS single channel)
    D430 1GB soldered + 1GB SODIMM (945GMS single channel)

    Why there is a difference, doesn't make a lot of sense. At
    least, if the chipsets really are the same, as stated there.

    Paul
     

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