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Frank
Flightless Bird
On 2/25/2010 9:05 AM, Alias wrote:
> http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2449910/posts
>
If you have a legitimate copy of Windows, you do. Otherwise, like alias,
be afraid of being caught.
Opos!
> http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2449910/posts
>
If you have a legitimate copy of Windows, you do. Otherwise, like alias,
be afraid of being caught.
Opos!
D
DanS
Flightless Bird
Alias <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote in news:hm6alf$vfc$6
@news.eternal-september.org:
> http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2449910/posts
You, the owner, own the hardware, and MS owns the OS.
Here's something that's really funny from that article.......
"Microsoft's view, as explained to me and as primarily emphasized in
their blog posting that will appear today announcing the WAT changes, is
that honest Windows 7 users will want to know if their systems are
running unauthentic copies of the operating system, since (Microsoft
asserts and indeed is the case) those systems have a significant
likelihood of also containing dangerous viruses or other potentially
damaging illicit software that "ride" onto the PC along with the
unauthentic copy of the OS."
We don't know the real numbers, but it's my opinion, that 95%+ home users
have purchased a PC with Windows pre-installed from one of the big OEMs,
be it Dell, HP, whatever....
Is there a history of Dell, HP, BB, etc, selling pirated copies of
Windows?
My other question would be......since Windows didn't have any of this
anti-piracy stuff prior to XP, and was introduced after 2002 (?), how was
MS able to grow and become the power it is today ?
Seriously, you could take the same Windows95/98/Me CD and use the same
install code and install from th same CD, using the same code, to 1000's
of PCs.
@news.eternal-september.org:
> http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2449910/posts
You, the owner, own the hardware, and MS owns the OS.
Here's something that's really funny from that article.......
"Microsoft's view, as explained to me and as primarily emphasized in
their blog posting that will appear today announcing the WAT changes, is
that honest Windows 7 users will want to know if their systems are
running unauthentic copies of the operating system, since (Microsoft
asserts and indeed is the case) those systems have a significant
likelihood of also containing dangerous viruses or other potentially
damaging illicit software that "ride" onto the PC along with the
unauthentic copy of the OS."
We don't know the real numbers, but it's my opinion, that 95%+ home users
have purchased a PC with Windows pre-installed from one of the big OEMs,
be it Dell, HP, whatever....
Is there a history of Dell, HP, BB, etc, selling pirated copies of
Windows?
My other question would be......since Windows didn't have any of this
anti-piracy stuff prior to XP, and was introduced after 2002 (?), how was
MS able to grow and become the power it is today ?
Seriously, you could take the same Windows95/98/Me CD and use the same
install code and install from th same CD, using the same code, to 1000's
of PCs.
A
Alias
Flightless Bird
DanS wrote:
> Alias <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote in news:hm6alf$vfc$6
> @news.eternal-september.org:
>
>> http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2449910/posts
>
> You, the owner, own the hardware, and MS owns the OS.
>
> Here's something that's really funny from that article.......
>
> "Microsoft's view, as explained to me and as primarily emphasized in
> their blog posting that will appear today announcing the WAT changes, is
> that honest Windows 7 users will want to know if their systems are
> running unauthentic copies of the operating system, since (Microsoft
> asserts and indeed is the case) those systems have a significant
> likelihood of also containing dangerous viruses or other potentially
> damaging illicit software that "ride" onto the PC along with the
> unauthentic copy of the OS."
>
> We don't know the real numbers, but it's my opinion, that 95%+ home users
> have purchased a PC with Windows pre-installed from one of the big OEMs,
> be it Dell, HP, whatever....
MS hates hobbyists and small system builders, of course. After all, they
stole Windows from Xerox so they figure everyone will be like them.
>
> Is there a history of Dell, HP, BB, etc, selling pirated copies of
> Windows?
Of course not.
>
> My other question would be......since Windows didn't have any of this
> anti-piracy stuff prior to XP, and was introduced after 2002 (?), how was
> MS able to grow and become the power it is today ?
Good question.
>
> Seriously, you could take the same Windows95/98/Me CD and use the same
> install code and install from th same CD, using the same code, to 1000's
> of PCs.
The bottom line is that most people are honest and pay for a computer
with Windows loaded or go to a store and buy a copy. I doubt very
seriously that the money spent on their spyware programs and all the
activation clerks is less than what they save by allegedly stopping
piracy. It's not about money or catching pirates but control.
--
Alias
> Alias <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote in news:hm6alf$vfc$6
> @news.eternal-september.org:
>
>> http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2449910/posts
>
> You, the owner, own the hardware, and MS owns the OS.
>
> Here's something that's really funny from that article.......
>
> "Microsoft's view, as explained to me and as primarily emphasized in
> their blog posting that will appear today announcing the WAT changes, is
> that honest Windows 7 users will want to know if their systems are
> running unauthentic copies of the operating system, since (Microsoft
> asserts and indeed is the case) those systems have a significant
> likelihood of also containing dangerous viruses or other potentially
> damaging illicit software that "ride" onto the PC along with the
> unauthentic copy of the OS."
>
> We don't know the real numbers, but it's my opinion, that 95%+ home users
> have purchased a PC with Windows pre-installed from one of the big OEMs,
> be it Dell, HP, whatever....
MS hates hobbyists and small system builders, of course. After all, they
stole Windows from Xerox so they figure everyone will be like them.
>
> Is there a history of Dell, HP, BB, etc, selling pirated copies of
> Windows?
Of course not.
>
> My other question would be......since Windows didn't have any of this
> anti-piracy stuff prior to XP, and was introduced after 2002 (?), how was
> MS able to grow and become the power it is today ?
Good question.
>
> Seriously, you could take the same Windows95/98/Me CD and use the same
> install code and install from th same CD, using the same code, to 1000's
> of PCs.
The bottom line is that most people are honest and pay for a computer
with Windows loaded or go to a store and buy a copy. I doubt very
seriously that the money spent on their spyware programs and all the
activation clerks is less than what they save by allegedly stopping
piracy. It's not about money or catching pirates but control.
--
Alias
B
Bill Yanaire, ESQ
Flightless Bird
Why not post another 100 articles on the same topic? It looks like you have
nothing better to do today. Out of weed?
"Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote in message
news:hm6alf$vfc$6@news.eternal-september.org...
> http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2449910/posts
>
> --
> Alias
nothing better to do today. Out of weed?
"Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote in message
news:hm6alf$vfc$6@news.eternal-september.org...
> http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2449910/posts
>
> --
> Alias
D
DanS
Flightless Bird
>> Seriously, you could take the same Windows95/98/Me CD and use the
>> same install code and install from th same CD, using the same code,
>> to 1000's of PCs.
>
> The bottom line is that most people are honest and pay for a computer
> with Windows loaded or go to a store and buy a copy. I doubt very
> seriously that the money spent on their spyware programs and all the
> activation clerks is less than what they save by allegedly stopping
> piracy.
Yes, the word is 'allegedly'. Because as soon as one activation crack is
busted, another one comes along.
Every s/w protection scheme is/can be broken, even the most elaborate,
even protection schemes tht require hardware dongles and keys. And as far
as this is concerned, if you don't d/l the update, what good does it do ?
What is the trade-off ?
People using pirated copies of Windows don't go to Windows Update. If
they want updates, they d/l them individually and apply as necessary.
This is why it is said that this only affects paying customers, because
it's true.
I'm not against WGA/WAT whole-heartedly, more so it's implementation, and
that it really doesn't do anything to stop piracy anyway......
.......what was that about 'Doing the same thing over and over again and
expecting different results each time'.
This is why MS is looking towards cloud computing, the only real way they
keep complete control.
>> same install code and install from th same CD, using the same code,
>> to 1000's of PCs.
>
> The bottom line is that most people are honest and pay for a computer
> with Windows loaded or go to a store and buy a copy. I doubt very
> seriously that the money spent on their spyware programs and all the
> activation clerks is less than what they save by allegedly stopping
> piracy.
Yes, the word is 'allegedly'. Because as soon as one activation crack is
busted, another one comes along.
Every s/w protection scheme is/can be broken, even the most elaborate,
even protection schemes tht require hardware dongles and keys. And as far
as this is concerned, if you don't d/l the update, what good does it do ?
What is the trade-off ?
People using pirated copies of Windows don't go to Windows Update. If
they want updates, they d/l them individually and apply as necessary.
This is why it is said that this only affects paying customers, because
it's true.
I'm not against WGA/WAT whole-heartedly, more so it's implementation, and
that it really doesn't do anything to stop piracy anyway......
.......what was that about 'Doing the same thing over and over again and
expecting different results each time'.
This is why MS is looking towards cloud computing, the only real way they
keep complete control.
F
Frank
Flightless Bird
On 2/25/2010 9:27 AM, Alias wrote:
> DanS wrote:
>> Alias <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote in news:hm6alf$vfc$6
>> @news.eternal-september.org:
>>
>>> http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2449910/posts
>>
>> You, the owner, own the hardware, and MS owns the OS.
>>
>> Here's something that's really funny from that article.......
>>
>> "Microsoft's view, as explained to me and as primarily emphasized in
>> their blog posting that will appear today announcing the WAT changes,
>> is that honest Windows 7 users will want to know if their systems are
>> running unauthentic copies of the operating system, since (Microsoft
>> asserts and indeed is the case) those systems have a significant
>> likelihood of also containing dangerous viruses or other potentially
>> damaging illicit software that "ride" onto the PC along with the
>> unauthentic copy of the OS."
>>
>> We don't know the real numbers, but it's my opinion, that 95%+ home
>> users have purchased a PC with Windows pre-installed from one of the
>> big OEMs, be it Dell, HP, whatever....
>
> MS hates hobbyists and small system builders, of course. After all, they
> stole Windows from Xerox so they figure everyone will be like them.
Where exactly did you get that crock of lying shit from huh?
Oh, you hate MS so much (they caught you stealing from them right?) so
you just pull your lying bullshit out of your ass right?
Figures!
>
>>
>> Is there a history of Dell, HP, BB, etc, selling pirated copies of
>> Windows?
>
> Of course not.
Who said there was?
Oops!
>
>>
>> My other question would be......since Windows didn't have any of this
>> anti-piracy stuff prior to XP, and was introduced after 2002 (?), how
>> was MS able to grow and become the power it is today ?
>
> Good question.
Certainly by not paying attention to their product and the market place,
you idiot!
>
>>
>> Seriously, you could take the same Windows95/98/Me CD and use the same
>> install code and install from th same CD, using the same code, to
>> 1000's of PCs.
>
> The bottom line is that most people are honest and pay for a computer
> with Windows loaded or go to a store and buy a copy.
That eliminate you right?
I doubt very
> seriously that the money spent on their spyware programs and all the
> activation clerks is less than what they save by allegedly stopping
> piracy.
You are totally clueless aren't you.
It's not about money or catching pirates but control.
So what are you hiding? Inquiring minds want to know.
>
> DanS wrote:
>> Alias <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote in news:hm6alf$vfc$6
>> @news.eternal-september.org:
>>
>>> http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2449910/posts
>>
>> You, the owner, own the hardware, and MS owns the OS.
>>
>> Here's something that's really funny from that article.......
>>
>> "Microsoft's view, as explained to me and as primarily emphasized in
>> their blog posting that will appear today announcing the WAT changes,
>> is that honest Windows 7 users will want to know if their systems are
>> running unauthentic copies of the operating system, since (Microsoft
>> asserts and indeed is the case) those systems have a significant
>> likelihood of also containing dangerous viruses or other potentially
>> damaging illicit software that "ride" onto the PC along with the
>> unauthentic copy of the OS."
>>
>> We don't know the real numbers, but it's my opinion, that 95%+ home
>> users have purchased a PC with Windows pre-installed from one of the
>> big OEMs, be it Dell, HP, whatever....
>
> MS hates hobbyists and small system builders, of course. After all, they
> stole Windows from Xerox so they figure everyone will be like them.
Where exactly did you get that crock of lying shit from huh?
Oh, you hate MS so much (they caught you stealing from them right?) so
you just pull your lying bullshit out of your ass right?
Figures!
>
>>
>> Is there a history of Dell, HP, BB, etc, selling pirated copies of
>> Windows?
>
> Of course not.
Who said there was?
Oops!
>
>>
>> My other question would be......since Windows didn't have any of this
>> anti-piracy stuff prior to XP, and was introduced after 2002 (?), how
>> was MS able to grow and become the power it is today ?
>
> Good question.
Certainly by not paying attention to their product and the market place,
you idiot!
>
>>
>> Seriously, you could take the same Windows95/98/Me CD and use the same
>> install code and install from th same CD, using the same code, to
>> 1000's of PCs.
>
> The bottom line is that most people are honest and pay for a computer
> with Windows loaded or go to a store and buy a copy.
That eliminate you right?
I doubt very
> seriously that the money spent on their spyware programs and all the
> activation clerks is less than what they save by allegedly stopping
> piracy.
You are totally clueless aren't you.
It's not about money or catching pirates but control.
So what are you hiding? Inquiring minds want to know.
>
A
Alex Clayton
Flightless Bird
"Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote in message
news:hm6bun$f97$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> The bottom line is that most people are honest and pay for a computer with
> Windows loaded or go to a store and buy a copy. I doubt very seriously
> that the money spent on their spyware programs and all the activation
> clerks is less than what they save by allegedly stopping piracy. It's not
> about money or catching pirates but control.
>
> --
> Alias
>
>
That is a guess on your part based on what? Because you want it to be true?
If you could buy a copy of Win. 7 and pass it around to people and all use
it, few people would be "honest" enough to not do so. Ever heard of an
invention called the CD? Think "most people" are honest enough to not pirate
music, they will instead just pay for it?
Since I have never cared about trying to pirate an OS, I know nothing
about how it's done. I do know that when my Father moved to the Philippines
and the PC he took with him died, he soon found that most of the PC's for
sale there were running a pirated MS OS. They would work fine until MS
detected you and deleted you. Then you had to have someone re install the OS
again.
After he found this out the hard way, I just sent him an old laptop of
mine and all works fine again.
Long ago I bought a new laptop that did not have a word processor on it. I
bought a copy of Works, since the forms I use at work are done in Works.
Bought it on line from Wal-Mart. When I got it the factory seal was broken.
It worked so I figured who cares. I have little doubt someone along the line
must have made copies of that software. I have worked at Companies where
this was quite common. They saw nothing wrong with making illegal copies of
software, yet you really think most people would not make a copy of an OS if
they could get away with it? Sure, and we can leave our doors unlocked when
we go to work since no one will steal from us too.
--
There are two kinds of people in the electorate:
People who remember how horrible the Jimmy Carter years were; and those who
are
about to find out.
news:hm6bun$f97$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> The bottom line is that most people are honest and pay for a computer with
> Windows loaded or go to a store and buy a copy. I doubt very seriously
> that the money spent on their spyware programs and all the activation
> clerks is less than what they save by allegedly stopping piracy. It's not
> about money or catching pirates but control.
>
> --
> Alias
>
>
That is a guess on your part based on what? Because you want it to be true?
If you could buy a copy of Win. 7 and pass it around to people and all use
it, few people would be "honest" enough to not do so. Ever heard of an
invention called the CD? Think "most people" are honest enough to not pirate
music, they will instead just pay for it?
Since I have never cared about trying to pirate an OS, I know nothing
about how it's done. I do know that when my Father moved to the Philippines
and the PC he took with him died, he soon found that most of the PC's for
sale there were running a pirated MS OS. They would work fine until MS
detected you and deleted you. Then you had to have someone re install the OS
again.
After he found this out the hard way, I just sent him an old laptop of
mine and all works fine again.
Long ago I bought a new laptop that did not have a word processor on it. I
bought a copy of Works, since the forms I use at work are done in Works.
Bought it on line from Wal-Mart. When I got it the factory seal was broken.
It worked so I figured who cares. I have little doubt someone along the line
must have made copies of that software. I have worked at Companies where
this was quite common. They saw nothing wrong with making illegal copies of
software, yet you really think most people would not make a copy of an OS if
they could get away with it? Sure, and we can leave our doors unlocked when
we go to work since no one will steal from us too.
--
There are two kinds of people in the electorate:
People who remember how horrible the Jimmy Carter years were; and those who
are
about to find out.
D
DanS
Flightless Bird
>>> Is there a history of Dell, HP, BB, etc, selling pirated copies of
>>> Windows?
>>
>> Of course not.
>
> Who said there was?
MS wants to 'protect' their customers by making sure that it's not pirated,
yet 95+% of home users 'buy', or more appropriately, 'get' Windows pre-
installed on an OEM PC from a big OEM.
So, MS is 'protecting' 95+% of home users from the big OEMs !!!!!
If they'd just come out and say that it's all about the mighty dollar, and
they want to get paid for their product, because it is, at least *that* can
be respected and understood, especially since it honest.
>>> Windows?
>>
>> Of course not.
>
> Who said there was?
MS wants to 'protect' their customers by making sure that it's not pirated,
yet 95+% of home users 'buy', or more appropriately, 'get' Windows pre-
installed on an OEM PC from a big OEM.
So, MS is 'protecting' 95+% of home users from the big OEMs !!!!!
If they'd just come out and say that it's all about the mighty dollar, and
they want to get paid for their product, because it is, at least *that* can
be respected and understood, especially since it honest.
A
Alias
Flightless Bird
Alex Clayton wrote:
> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote in message
> news:hm6bun$f97$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>
>> The bottom line is that most people are honest and pay for a computer
>> with Windows loaded or go to a store and buy a copy. I doubt very
>> seriously that the money spent on their spyware programs and all the
>> activation clerks is less than what they save by allegedly stopping
>> piracy. It's not about money or catching pirates but control.
>>
>> --
>> Alias
>>
>>
>
> That is a guess on your part based on what? Because you want it to be true?
> If you could buy a copy of Win. 7 and pass it around to people and all
> use it, few people would be "honest" enough to not do so. Ever heard of
> an invention called the CD? Think "most people" are honest enough to not
> pirate music, they will instead just pay for it?
> Since I have never cared about trying to pirate an OS, I know nothing
> about how it's done. I do know that when my Father moved to the
> Philippines and the PC he took with him died, he soon found that most of
> the PC's for sale there were running a pirated MS OS. They would work
> fine until MS detected you and deleted you. Then you had to have someone
> re install the OS again.
> After he found this out the hard way, I just sent him an old laptop of
> mine and all works fine again.
> Long ago I bought a new laptop that did not have a word processor on
> it. I bought a copy of Works, since the forms I use at work are done in
> Works. Bought it on line from Wal-Mart. When I got it the factory seal
> was broken. It worked so I figured who cares. I have little doubt
> someone along the line must have made copies of that software. I have
> worked at Companies where this was quite common. They saw nothing wrong
> with making illegal copies of software, yet you really think most people
> would not make a copy of an OS if they could get away with it? Sure, and
> we can leave our doors unlocked when we go to work since no one will
> steal from us too.
So, with your theory, MS should have gone out of business prior to XP.
Sorry, chum, but you're full of shit.
--
Alias
> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote in message
> news:hm6bun$f97$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>
>> The bottom line is that most people are honest and pay for a computer
>> with Windows loaded or go to a store and buy a copy. I doubt very
>> seriously that the money spent on their spyware programs and all the
>> activation clerks is less than what they save by allegedly stopping
>> piracy. It's not about money or catching pirates but control.
>>
>> --
>> Alias
>>
>>
>
> That is a guess on your part based on what? Because you want it to be true?
> If you could buy a copy of Win. 7 and pass it around to people and all
> use it, few people would be "honest" enough to not do so. Ever heard of
> an invention called the CD? Think "most people" are honest enough to not
> pirate music, they will instead just pay for it?
> Since I have never cared about trying to pirate an OS, I know nothing
> about how it's done. I do know that when my Father moved to the
> Philippines and the PC he took with him died, he soon found that most of
> the PC's for sale there were running a pirated MS OS. They would work
> fine until MS detected you and deleted you. Then you had to have someone
> re install the OS again.
> After he found this out the hard way, I just sent him an old laptop of
> mine and all works fine again.
> Long ago I bought a new laptop that did not have a word processor on
> it. I bought a copy of Works, since the forms I use at work are done in
> Works. Bought it on line from Wal-Mart. When I got it the factory seal
> was broken. It worked so I figured who cares. I have little doubt
> someone along the line must have made copies of that software. I have
> worked at Companies where this was quite common. They saw nothing wrong
> with making illegal copies of software, yet you really think most people
> would not make a copy of an OS if they could get away with it? Sure, and
> we can leave our doors unlocked when we go to work since no one will
> steal from us too.
So, with your theory, MS should have gone out of business prior to XP.
Sorry, chum, but you're full of shit.
--
Alias
F
Frank
Flightless Bird
On 2/25/2010 10:27 AM, DanS wrote:
>>>> Is there a history of Dell, HP, BB, etc, selling pirated copies of
>>>> Windows?
>>>
>>> Of course not.
>>
>> Who said there was?
>
> MS wants to 'protect' their customers by making sure that it's not pirated,
> yet 95+% of home users 'buy', or more appropriately, 'get' Windows pre-
> installed on an OEM PC from a big OEM.
>
> So, MS is 'protecting' 95+% of home users from the big OEMs !!!!!
>
> If they'd just come out and say that it's all about the mighty dollar, and
> they want to get paid for their product, because it is, at least *that* can
> be respected and understood, especially since it honest.
You have your agenda and they have theirs.
If you don't like theirs then don't use their product.
>>>> Is there a history of Dell, HP, BB, etc, selling pirated copies of
>>>> Windows?
>>>
>>> Of course not.
>>
>> Who said there was?
>
> MS wants to 'protect' their customers by making sure that it's not pirated,
> yet 95+% of home users 'buy', or more appropriately, 'get' Windows pre-
> installed on an OEM PC from a big OEM.
>
> So, MS is 'protecting' 95+% of home users from the big OEMs !!!!!
>
> If they'd just come out and say that it's all about the mighty dollar, and
> they want to get paid for their product, because it is, at least *that* can
> be respected and understood, especially since it honest.
You have your agenda and they have theirs.
If you don't like theirs then don't use their product.
R
Roy Smith
Flightless Bird
On 2/25/2010 11:43 AM, DanS wrote:
> Every s/w protection scheme is/can be broken, even the most elaborate,
> even protection schemes tht require hardware dongles and keys. And as far
> as this is concerned, if you don't d/l the update, what good does it do ?
> What is the trade-off ?
In the article that I read, if you don't have an internet connection or
if WAT is blocked by a firewall it won't have any ill effects on your
system.
> .......what was that about 'Doing the same thing over and over again and
> expecting different results each time'.
That's the definition of insanity...
--
Roy Smith
Windows 7 Home Premium
Timestamp: Thursday, February 25, 2010 12:48:42 PM
> Every s/w protection scheme is/can be broken, even the most elaborate,
> even protection schemes tht require hardware dongles and keys. And as far
> as this is concerned, if you don't d/l the update, what good does it do ?
> What is the trade-off ?
In the article that I read, if you don't have an internet connection or
if WAT is blocked by a firewall it won't have any ill effects on your
system.
> .......what was that about 'Doing the same thing over and over again and
> expecting different results each time'.
That's the definition of insanity...
--
Roy Smith
Windows 7 Home Premium
Timestamp: Thursday, February 25, 2010 12:48:42 PM
F
Frank
Flightless Bird
On 2/25/2010 10:28 AM, Alias wrote:
> Alex Clayton wrote:
>> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote in message
>> news:hm6bun$f97$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>
>>> The bottom line is that most people are honest and pay for a computer
>>> with Windows loaded or go to a store and buy a copy. I doubt very
>>> seriously that the money spent on their spyware programs and all the
>>> activation clerks is less than what they save by allegedly stopping
>>> piracy. It's not about money or catching pirates but control.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Alias
>>>
>>>
>>
>> That is a guess on your part based on what? Because you want it to be
>> true?
>> If you could buy a copy of Win. 7 and pass it around to people and all
>> use it, few people would be "honest" enough to not do so. Ever heard
>> of an invention called the CD? Think "most people" are honest enough
>> to not pirate music, they will instead just pay for it?
>> Since I have never cared about trying to pirate an OS, I know nothing
>> about how it's done. I do know that when my Father moved to the
>> Philippines and the PC he took with him died, he soon found that most
>> of the PC's for sale there were running a pirated MS OS. They would
>> work fine until MS detected you and deleted you. Then you had to have
>> someone re install the OS again.
>> After he found this out the hard way, I just sent him an old laptop of
>> mine and all works fine again.
>> Long ago I bought a new laptop that did not have a word processor on
>> it. I bought a copy of Works, since the forms I use at work are done
>> in Works. Bought it on line from Wal-Mart. When I got it the factory
>> seal was broken. It worked so I figured who cares. I have little doubt
>> someone along the line must have made copies of that software. I have
>> worked at Companies where this was quite common. They saw nothing
>> wrong with making illegal copies of software, yet you really think
>> most people would not make a copy of an OS if they could get away with
>> it? Sure, and we can leave our doors unlocked when we go to work since
>> no one will steal from us too.
>
> So, with your theory, MS should have gone out of business prior to XP.
> Sorry, chum, but you're full of shit.
>
You're the one who is full of shit *CHUMP* and you are foaming at the
mouth over this non-issue.
You are the sick son of a bitch in here.
> Alex Clayton wrote:
>> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote in message
>> news:hm6bun$f97$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>
>>> The bottom line is that most people are honest and pay for a computer
>>> with Windows loaded or go to a store and buy a copy. I doubt very
>>> seriously that the money spent on their spyware programs and all the
>>> activation clerks is less than what they save by allegedly stopping
>>> piracy. It's not about money or catching pirates but control.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Alias
>>>
>>>
>>
>> That is a guess on your part based on what? Because you want it to be
>> true?
>> If you could buy a copy of Win. 7 and pass it around to people and all
>> use it, few people would be "honest" enough to not do so. Ever heard
>> of an invention called the CD? Think "most people" are honest enough
>> to not pirate music, they will instead just pay for it?
>> Since I have never cared about trying to pirate an OS, I know nothing
>> about how it's done. I do know that when my Father moved to the
>> Philippines and the PC he took with him died, he soon found that most
>> of the PC's for sale there were running a pirated MS OS. They would
>> work fine until MS detected you and deleted you. Then you had to have
>> someone re install the OS again.
>> After he found this out the hard way, I just sent him an old laptop of
>> mine and all works fine again.
>> Long ago I bought a new laptop that did not have a word processor on
>> it. I bought a copy of Works, since the forms I use at work are done
>> in Works. Bought it on line from Wal-Mart. When I got it the factory
>> seal was broken. It worked so I figured who cares. I have little doubt
>> someone along the line must have made copies of that software. I have
>> worked at Companies where this was quite common. They saw nothing
>> wrong with making illegal copies of software, yet you really think
>> most people would not make a copy of an OS if they could get away with
>> it? Sure, and we can leave our doors unlocked when we go to work since
>> no one will steal from us too.
>
> So, with your theory, MS should have gone out of business prior to XP.
> Sorry, chum, but you're full of shit.
>
You're the one who is full of shit *CHUMP* and you are foaming at the
mouth over this non-issue.
You are the sick son of a bitch in here.
P
Pulse
Flightless Bird
95% in the United States maybe. But how about elsewhere in the kasbah?
"DanS" <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@r.o.a.d.r.u.n.n.e.r.c.o.m> wrote in message
news:Xns9D2A88F048438thisnthatroadrunnern@216.196.97.131...
>>>> Is there a history of Dell, HP, BB, etc, selling pirated copies of
>>>> Windows?
>>>
>>> Of course not.
>>
>> Who said there was?
>
> MS wants to 'protect' their customers by making sure that it's not
> pirated,
> yet 95+% of home users 'buy', or more appropriately, 'get' Windows pre-
> installed on an OEM PC from a big OEM.
>
> So, MS is 'protecting' 95+% of home users from the big OEMs !!!!!
>
> If they'd just come out and say that it's all about the mighty dollar, and
> they want to get paid for their product, because it is, at least *that*
> can
> be respected and understood, especially since it honest.
"DanS" <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@r.o.a.d.r.u.n.n.e.r.c.o.m> wrote in message
news:Xns9D2A88F048438thisnthatroadrunnern@216.196.97.131...
>>>> Is there a history of Dell, HP, BB, etc, selling pirated copies of
>>>> Windows?
>>>
>>> Of course not.
>>
>> Who said there was?
>
> MS wants to 'protect' their customers by making sure that it's not
> pirated,
> yet 95+% of home users 'buy', or more appropriately, 'get' Windows pre-
> installed on an OEM PC from a big OEM.
>
> So, MS is 'protecting' 95+% of home users from the big OEMs !!!!!
>
> If they'd just come out and say that it's all about the mighty dollar, and
> they want to get paid for their product, because it is, at least *that*
> can
> be respected and understood, especially since it honest.
A
Alex Clayton
Flightless Bird
"Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote in message
news:hm6fh1$dnf$3@news.eternal-september.org...
> Alex Clayton wrote:
>> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote in message
>> news:hm6bun$f97$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>
>>> The bottom line is that most people are honest and pay for a computer
>>> with Windows loaded or go to a store and buy a copy. I doubt very
>>> seriously that the money spent on their spyware programs and all the
>>> activation clerks is less than what they save by allegedly stopping
>>> piracy. It's not about money or catching pirates but control.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Alias
>>>
>>>
>>
>> That is a guess on your part based on what? Because you want it to be
>> true?
>> If you could buy a copy of Win. 7 and pass it around to people and all
>> use it, few people would be "honest" enough to not do so. Ever heard of
>> an invention called the CD? Think "most people" are honest enough to not
>> pirate music, they will instead just pay for it?
>> Since I have never cared about trying to pirate an OS, I know nothing
>> about how it's done. I do know that when my Father moved to the
>> Philippines and the PC he took with him died, he soon found that most of
>> the PC's for sale there were running a pirated MS OS. They would work
>> fine until MS detected you and deleted you. Then you had to have someone
>> re install the OS again.
>> After he found this out the hard way, I just sent him an old laptop of
>> mine and all works fine again.
>> Long ago I bought a new laptop that did not have a word processor on it.
>> I bought a copy of Works, since the forms I use at work are done in
>> Works. Bought it on line from Wal-Mart. When I got it the factory seal
>> was broken. It worked so I figured who cares. I have little doubt someone
>> along the line must have made copies of that software. I have worked at
>> Companies where this was quite common. They saw nothing wrong with making
>> illegal copies of software, yet you really think most people would not
>> make a copy of an OS if they could get away with it? Sure, and we can
>> leave our doors unlocked when we go to work since no one will steal from
>> us too.
>
> So, with your theory, MS should have gone out of business prior to XP.
> Sorry, chum, but you're full of shit.
>
> --
> Alias
>
>
Comprehension challenged? Recent public school grad? Took the little bus
maybe?
I said you are full of shit saying people are too honest to not pirate an
OS. I know it's not as easy to do as it is to illegally copy software. This
is why MS keeps trying to make it harder, since of course there is a lot of
smart people who will spend the time trying to beat them. I realize this is
way over your head, but maybe someone can dumb it down for you so you can
grasp it.
--
"Life's tough......it's even tougher if you're stupid." -- John Wayne
news:hm6fh1$dnf$3@news.eternal-september.org...
> Alex Clayton wrote:
>> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote in message
>> news:hm6bun$f97$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>
>>> The bottom line is that most people are honest and pay for a computer
>>> with Windows loaded or go to a store and buy a copy. I doubt very
>>> seriously that the money spent on their spyware programs and all the
>>> activation clerks is less than what they save by allegedly stopping
>>> piracy. It's not about money or catching pirates but control.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Alias
>>>
>>>
>>
>> That is a guess on your part based on what? Because you want it to be
>> true?
>> If you could buy a copy of Win. 7 and pass it around to people and all
>> use it, few people would be "honest" enough to not do so. Ever heard of
>> an invention called the CD? Think "most people" are honest enough to not
>> pirate music, they will instead just pay for it?
>> Since I have never cared about trying to pirate an OS, I know nothing
>> about how it's done. I do know that when my Father moved to the
>> Philippines and the PC he took with him died, he soon found that most of
>> the PC's for sale there were running a pirated MS OS. They would work
>> fine until MS detected you and deleted you. Then you had to have someone
>> re install the OS again.
>> After he found this out the hard way, I just sent him an old laptop of
>> mine and all works fine again.
>> Long ago I bought a new laptop that did not have a word processor on it.
>> I bought a copy of Works, since the forms I use at work are done in
>> Works. Bought it on line from Wal-Mart. When I got it the factory seal
>> was broken. It worked so I figured who cares. I have little doubt someone
>> along the line must have made copies of that software. I have worked at
>> Companies where this was quite common. They saw nothing wrong with making
>> illegal copies of software, yet you really think most people would not
>> make a copy of an OS if they could get away with it? Sure, and we can
>> leave our doors unlocked when we go to work since no one will steal from
>> us too.
>
> So, with your theory, MS should have gone out of business prior to XP.
> Sorry, chum, but you're full of shit.
>
> --
> Alias
>
>
Comprehension challenged? Recent public school grad? Took the little bus
maybe?
I said you are full of shit saying people are too honest to not pirate an
OS. I know it's not as easy to do as it is to illegally copy software. This
is why MS keeps trying to make it harder, since of course there is a lot of
smart people who will spend the time trying to beat them. I realize this is
way over your head, but maybe someone can dumb it down for you so you can
grasp it.
--
"Life's tough......it's even tougher if you're stupid." -- John Wayne
C
Char Jackson
Flightless Bird
On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 10:22:21 -0800, "Alex Clayton"
<Alexx1400@yahoo.com> wrote:
>"Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote in message
>news:hm6bun$f97$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>
>> The bottom line is that most people are honest and pay for a computer with
>> Windows loaded or go to a store and buy a copy. I doubt very seriously
>> that the money spent on their spyware programs and all the activation
>> clerks is less than what they save by allegedly stopping piracy. It's not
>> about money or catching pirates but control.
>>
>> --
>> Alias
>>
>>
>
>That is a guess on your part based on what? Because you want it to be true?
> If you could buy a copy of Win. 7 and pass it around to people and all use
>it, few people would be "honest" enough to not do so.
Actually, history shows that only a few (percentage-wise) would be
dishonest enough to pass it around. What is your evidence to suggest
that there are only a few honest Windows users? That sounds made up.
>Ever heard of an
>invention called the CD? Think "most people" are honest enough to not pirate
>music, they will instead just pay for it?
Yes, most people are honest enough, but you only hear about the small
minority who are (supposedly) not honest enough.
> Since I have never cared about trying to pirate an OS, I know nothing
>about how it's done. I do know that when my Father moved to the Philippines
>and the PC he took with him died, he soon found that most of the PC's for
>sale there were running a pirated MS OS. They would work fine until MS
>detected you and deleted you. Then you had to have someone re install the OS
>again.
Lucky for you that you admitted you know nothing about this subject
since your report of being detected and deleted is pure BS. It doesn't
happen that way. Whoever told you that was pulling your leg.
> After he found this out the hard way, I just sent him an old laptop of
>mine and all works fine again.
Sounds like he just needed an excuse to ask for your old laptop.
> Long ago I bought a new laptop that did not have a word processor on it. I
>bought a copy of Works, since the forms I use at work are done in Works.
>Bought it on line from Wal-Mart. When I got it the factory seal was broken.
>It worked so I figured who cares. I have little doubt someone along the line
>must have made copies of that software. I have worked at Companies where
>this was quite common. They saw nothing wrong with making illegal copies of
>software, yet you really think most people would not make a copy of an OS if
>they could get away with it? Sure, and we can leave our doors unlocked when
>we go to work since no one will steal from us too.
There you go again with your claims that "most people" are dishonest.
You really need to get out more and stop judging the world by what you
see in the mirror.
<Alexx1400@yahoo.com> wrote:
>"Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote in message
>news:hm6bun$f97$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>
>> The bottom line is that most people are honest and pay for a computer with
>> Windows loaded or go to a store and buy a copy. I doubt very seriously
>> that the money spent on their spyware programs and all the activation
>> clerks is less than what they save by allegedly stopping piracy. It's not
>> about money or catching pirates but control.
>>
>> --
>> Alias
>>
>>
>
>That is a guess on your part based on what? Because you want it to be true?
> If you could buy a copy of Win. 7 and pass it around to people and all use
>it, few people would be "honest" enough to not do so.
Actually, history shows that only a few (percentage-wise) would be
dishonest enough to pass it around. What is your evidence to suggest
that there are only a few honest Windows users? That sounds made up.
>Ever heard of an
>invention called the CD? Think "most people" are honest enough to not pirate
>music, they will instead just pay for it?
Yes, most people are honest enough, but you only hear about the small
minority who are (supposedly) not honest enough.
> Since I have never cared about trying to pirate an OS, I know nothing
>about how it's done. I do know that when my Father moved to the Philippines
>and the PC he took with him died, he soon found that most of the PC's for
>sale there were running a pirated MS OS. They would work fine until MS
>detected you and deleted you. Then you had to have someone re install the OS
>again.
Lucky for you that you admitted you know nothing about this subject
since your report of being detected and deleted is pure BS. It doesn't
happen that way. Whoever told you that was pulling your leg.
> After he found this out the hard way, I just sent him an old laptop of
>mine and all works fine again.
Sounds like he just needed an excuse to ask for your old laptop.
> Long ago I bought a new laptop that did not have a word processor on it. I
>bought a copy of Works, since the forms I use at work are done in Works.
>Bought it on line from Wal-Mart. When I got it the factory seal was broken.
>It worked so I figured who cares. I have little doubt someone along the line
>must have made copies of that software. I have worked at Companies where
>this was quite common. They saw nothing wrong with making illegal copies of
>software, yet you really think most people would not make a copy of an OS if
>they could get away with it? Sure, and we can leave our doors unlocked when
>we go to work since no one will steal from us too.
There you go again with your claims that "most people" are dishonest.
You really need to get out more and stop judging the world by what you
see in the mirror.
J
johnbee
Flightless Bird
"DanS" <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@r.o.a.d.r.u.n.n.e.r.c.o.m> wrote in message
news:Xns9D2A88F048438thisnthatroadrunnern@216.196.97.131...
>>>> Is there a history of Dell, HP, BB, etc, selling pirated copies of
>>>> Windows?
>>>
>>> Of course not.
>>
>> Who said there was?
>
> MS wants to 'protect' their customers by making sure that it's not
> pirated,
> yet 95+% of home users 'buy', or more appropriately, 'get' Windows pre-
> installed on an OEM PC from a big OEM.
>
> So, MS is 'protecting' 95+% of home users from the big OEMs !!!!!
>
> If they'd just come out and say that it's all about the mighty dollar, and
> they want to get paid for their product, because it is, at least *that*
> can
> be respected and understood, especially since it honest.
The point about the 95% is that the figure is a statistic invented to
'prove'
a point i.e. is is junk. How many companies and Government Departments
in the world install software for multiple users on the cheap?
news:Xns9D2A88F048438thisnthatroadrunnern@216.196.97.131...
>>>> Is there a history of Dell, HP, BB, etc, selling pirated copies of
>>>> Windows?
>>>
>>> Of course not.
>>
>> Who said there was?
>
> MS wants to 'protect' their customers by making sure that it's not
> pirated,
> yet 95+% of home users 'buy', or more appropriately, 'get' Windows pre-
> installed on an OEM PC from a big OEM.
>
> So, MS is 'protecting' 95+% of home users from the big OEMs !!!!!
>
> If they'd just come out and say that it's all about the mighty dollar, and
> they want to get paid for their product, because it is, at least *that*
> can
> be respected and understood, especially since it honest.
The point about the 95% is that the figure is a statistic invented to
'prove'
a point i.e. is is junk. How many companies and Government Departments
in the world install software for multiple users on the cheap?
D
DanS
Flightless Bird
"johnbee" <johnbrockbank@virginmedia.com> wrote in
news:hmhcbs$pkb$1@news.eternal-september.org:
>
> "DanS" <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@r.o.a.d.r.u.n.n.e.r.c.o.m> wrote in message
> news:Xns9D2A88F048438thisnthatroadrunnern@216.196.97.131...
>>>>> Is there a history of Dell, HP, BB, etc, selling pirated copies of
>>>>> Windows?
>>>>
>>>> Of course not.
>>>
>>> Who said there was?
>>
>> MS wants to 'protect' their customers by making sure that it's not
>> pirated,
>> yet 95+% of home users 'buy', or more appropriately, 'get' Windows
>> pre- installed on an OEM PC from a big OEM.
>>
>> So, MS is 'protecting' 95+% of home users from the big OEMs !!!!!
>>
>> If they'd just come out and say that it's all about the mighty
>> dollar, and they want to get paid for their product, because it is,
>> at least *that* can
>> be respected and understood, especially since it honest.
>
> The point about the 95% is that the figure is a statistic invented to
> 'prove'
> a point i.e. is is junk.
1) How do you know ?
It isn't a statistic that was 'invented' to prove a point. That was an
estimate I based on my 25+ years in the business world working in IT &
engineering departments, and providing support to both friends and family
members (and unfortuntely friends of family members, and friends of
friends, and ......).
Tell us then, what percentage of MS OS sales are to big OEMs (Dell, HP,
etc.) vs. percentage of retail licenses sold ? (With what source ?)
I'm fairly confident that most people would agree the 95% of home users
buy a PC with Windows pre-installed....and if they disagreed with 95%,
they'd agree with 90%.
> How many companies and Government
> Departments in the world install software for multiple users on the
> cheap?
I don't know, nor do I care. You didn't read my original statement, which
said 95% of *HOME* users.
Additionally, if 'install software for multiple users on the cheap' means
using some type of activation hack to use a 'pirated' OS can't be applied
anyway because WAT wouldn't be 'protecting' them now would it, so that is
moot.
news:hmhcbs$pkb$1@news.eternal-september.org:
>
> "DanS" <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@r.o.a.d.r.u.n.n.e.r.c.o.m> wrote in message
> news:Xns9D2A88F048438thisnthatroadrunnern@216.196.97.131...
>>>>> Is there a history of Dell, HP, BB, etc, selling pirated copies of
>>>>> Windows?
>>>>
>>>> Of course not.
>>>
>>> Who said there was?
>>
>> MS wants to 'protect' their customers by making sure that it's not
>> pirated,
>> yet 95+% of home users 'buy', or more appropriately, 'get' Windows
>> pre- installed on an OEM PC from a big OEM.
>>
>> So, MS is 'protecting' 95+% of home users from the big OEMs !!!!!
>>
>> If they'd just come out and say that it's all about the mighty
>> dollar, and they want to get paid for their product, because it is,
>> at least *that* can
>> be respected and understood, especially since it honest.
>
> The point about the 95% is that the figure is a statistic invented to
> 'prove'
> a point i.e. is is junk.
1) How do you know ?
It isn't a statistic that was 'invented' to prove a point. That was an
estimate I based on my 25+ years in the business world working in IT &
engineering departments, and providing support to both friends and family
members (and unfortuntely friends of family members, and friends of
friends, and ......).
Tell us then, what percentage of MS OS sales are to big OEMs (Dell, HP,
etc.) vs. percentage of retail licenses sold ? (With what source ?)
I'm fairly confident that most people would agree the 95% of home users
buy a PC with Windows pre-installed....and if they disagreed with 95%,
they'd agree with 90%.
> How many companies and Government
> Departments in the world install software for multiple users on the
> cheap?
I don't know, nor do I care. You didn't read my original statement, which
said 95% of *HOME* users.
Additionally, if 'install software for multiple users on the cheap' means
using some type of activation hack to use a 'pirated' OS can't be applied
anyway because WAT wouldn't be 'protecting' them now would it, so that is
moot.