Which is Safer, Windows, Apple or Linux regarding malware?

[DanS]

>>> KDE4 is the poor imitation. Idiots - what were they thinking, let's
>>> make KDE look like Vista? It's why so many people are sticking with
>>> 3.x
>>
>> I'm wondering, how does it 'look like Vista' ?
>>
>> I mean, there's only so much you can do with a window'd GUI. And you
>> can do far more in Linux than Windows by way of customization. But
>> what's your beef...the Main Menu ?
>>
>> Would you prefer removing the bottom panel and using Cairo
>> Dock....then what, it would look too much like OSX ?
>>
>
> Are you familiar with KDE 3.x and the changes made to KDE 4? Vista and
> Windows 7 changed the start menu -> programs to restrict it to a small
> retangular portion of the screen, instead of having your programs open
> up across the desktop. I've found this makes it much more difficult to
> find things in the start menu->programs, especiall if you have a lot
> of stuff there. They did the same thing in KDE4. As a result, a lot of
> people have either stuck with KDE 3.x, or moved to xfce.

I'm only slightly familiar with < v4.x of KDE. In earlier versions of Ub**** I always added the KDE desktop
and would boot to it very infrequently.

This last time I installed Kub**** instead of Ub****. All prior versions of KDE
that I tried were very slow compared to GNOME...noticeably slow...unusable slow.

So, as far as I know, the changes that I saw, are that it works properly now !!!!

I hate the start menu in KDE too. But, instead of switching desktop's because
of it, I right-clicked the main app menu, and selected 'Switch to Classic Menu',
or whatever it said. Now it says, 'Switch to Kickoff Menu Style'.

Classic menu...like this.... http://freakneck.cjb.net:8000/kde.jpg

Switching to GNOME just because you can't read the 'Switch to Classic Menu Style'.....

.....well......I can' even say.

 

[Zootal]

DanS <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@r.o.a.d.r.u.n.n.e.r.c.o.m> wrote in
news:Xns9D37CC93495A0thisnthatroadrunnern@216.196.97.131:

> http://freakneck.cjb.net:8000/kde.jpg

IIRC, the 3.x menu was not available in early versions of KDE 4, and I've
not bothered looking at the current version. At the time, people were mass
migrating to xfce because of this. Would not surprise me that they brought
it back as an option.

KDE 3.x is very robust, even on old hardware, but I admittedly have never
used Ub... or KUb..., so I can't comment on how it is with those distros.
If it was slow, I would suspect something else was wrong but couldn't guess
what. I've stuck with Slackware and Debian all these years, with only brief
journeys into various other distros. Even on an Athlon 1200, which I run an
opposing force server on, KDE 3 is quite usable.

BTW, how does xnews work under wine? I read the tips on the newsguy site,
but haven't got around to trying it. I abandoned Windows Mail in disgust
and now use the Windows version of xnews, and I love it. Wish I would have
found it years ago.

 

[DanS]

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> KDE 3.x is very robust, even on old hardware, but I admittedly have
> never used Ub... or KUb..., so I can't comment on how it is with those
> distros. If it was slow, I would suspect something else was wrong but
> couldn't guess what. I've stuck with Slackware and Debian all these
> years, with only brief journeys into various other distros.

My first Linux experiment was with a Mandrake distro I actually purchased
from a store. It didn't get very far at that time, as it didn't support
the VooDoo video card I had at the time. I did a bit o' looking at Fedora a
couple of years ago, and then Ub****, and now Ku*****. I was really
impressed with the latest Ku*****.


> Even on an
> Athlon 1200, which I run an opposing force server on, KDE 3 is quite
> usable.

I was using Ub****/GNOME on a 1Ghz Athlon w/512 megs RAM, and a
GeForce MX440 Video card. GNOME worked great with Compiz installed
with a few of effects turned on, and was very snappy and usable. But KDE,
not so.

>
> BTW, how does xnews work under wine? I read the tips on the newsguy
> site, but haven't got around to trying it. I abandoned Windows Mail in
> disgust and now use the Windows version of xnews, and I love it. Wish
> I would have found it years ago.

XNews works fine under WINE. You need to add a couple DLL overrides,
but once that is done, everything seems to work as expected, except for two
minor things.....

1) As I'm typing ,it doesn't seem to wrap properly, so I just need to hit
returns here and there. Not a deal-breaker by any means. It seems to wrap
at 96 chars, no matter what the wrap setting is. You may see some
badly wrapped text here in my post. I don't know.

and 2) The icons don't display properly in the message pane......here...
.....another screen shot..... http://freakneck.cjb.net:8000/xnews.jpg

It's just the part of the icon that's supposed to be transparent, is not. Again,
not a deal-killer.

Other than those two items, there doesn't seem to be anything else that doesn't
work, although honestly, I only read and post text with it. I don't even have any kill
filters setup.

I've been using XNews forever. I've tried every other news clients out there for
text usenet, and they are all the same. They all look like Outhouse Express.....
.....folders on the left, message on the upper right, and the viewing pane below...
......or some variation of that layout.

There certainly isn't a huge choice for Usenet under Linux. I tried using Pan for
a while, but that's just another OE clone, and it had some bad threading
issues.

XNews is, as far as I know, the only MDI newsreader. I use the same install whether
I'm booted into Windows, or Ku*****, so all the data's the same. T_Bird and FF also
use the same profile in Windows or Ku*****.

(It would be great if the child windows in the MDI interface had the KDE theme. You
can see in the screenshot that the child window is just a plain square window w/o
the theme applied.)

 

[Frank]

On 3/10/2010 1:45 PM, DanS wrote:
>>>>> Whatever you post won't change the fact that, compared to Windows,
>>>>> Linux is bulletproof.
>>>>>
>>>>> Next?
>>>>>
>>>> Yeah...keep telling yourself that myth.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Anyone that has used Linux for any length of time knows this.
>>
>> *BULLSHIT*! Security thru obscurity.
>
> That doesn't matter. Security is security.
>
> Your claim can not be proven until Linux numbers rise (and this can not
> be disputed).
>
Nor can yours.
Oops!
>
>> My Windows
>>> boxes crash.
>>
>> Mine don't.
>
> Neither do mine.
>
>
>> Explorer.exe goes away.
>
> I only use Explorer as a file manager.
>
>
>> Mine doesn't.
>>
>> Something somewhere blue screens it.
>>
>> Are you talking about Windows 7?
>>
>>> It's what Windows does.
>>
>> Mine don't.
>>
>> My linux boxes have never crashed - not once.
>>
>> Take yourself on over to any linux help group...then ask yourself why
>> all of those users are having all of those problems.
>
> Take yourself to any Windows help group, then ask yourself why all of
> those users are having those problems.

I'm here and they aren't.
Oops!
>
> What's your point...you can't count posts here for problems with Windows
> because your in a help group for people that *are* having problems, yet
> people having problems with Linux and posting in a help group are
> indicative that Linux as a whole is garbage ?

Not what I said. You need to learn how to properly read and then how to
comprehend what you've just read. Or else if you're sure, print the
statement and take to an adult and have them explain it to you.
Well...you'd proly just be wasting their time, some ink and paper.

>
> More great (hypocritical) logic.

I see you've got projecting down pat.
Nice huh?

 

[Frank]

On 3/10/2010 24 PM, DanS wrote:
> Zootal<nospam@spam.zootal.nospam.com> wrote in
> news:Xns9D37881E938DCnospamspamzootalnosp@216.196.97.131:
>
>> Alias<aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalido> wrote in news:hn9065$kqm$1
>> @news.eternal-september.org:
>>
>>> Zootal wrote:
>>> .
>>>>
>>>> You want a cute desktop? Use Windows. You want a secure stable os?
>>>> Use linux.
>>>
>>> Linux desktops can be cute, too. Windows Vista and 7 are poor
>>> imitations.
>>>
>>
>> KDE4 is the poor imitation. Idiots - what were they thinking, let's
>> make KDE look like Vista? It's why so many people are sticking with
>> 3.x
>
> I'm wondering, how does it 'look like Vista' ?
>
> I mean, there's only so much you can do with a window'd GUI. And you can do
> far more in Linux than Windows by way of customization. But what's your
> beef...the Main Menu ?
>
> Would you prefer removing the bottom panel and using Cairo Dock....then
> what, it would look too much like OSX ?

hehehe...you don't even use Windows 7, so why do you care dan-o?

 

[Frank]

On 3/10/2010 18 PM, DanS wrote:
> "Andrew"<yogig@no.spam.hotmail.com> wrote in news:hn76ra$44v$1
> @news.eternal-september.org:
>
>> http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9595_22-401104.html
>
> I hate to shoot you down in your moment of perceived brilliance, (that's
> not completely true), but did you even read that article ?
>
> Or more importantly, did you read the full article that was linked in the
> article you posted ?
>
> Or the actual security bullitin from Sense of Security ?
>
> Wait....don't do it yet.....
>
> You do realize that Apache is a third-party program right ?
>
> And that claiming this as a security issue against Linux itself would be
> like claiming some security issue in AOL IM is a MS problem.....
>
> What's really funny, and to me, makes you look not to bright...here's the
> security bullitin from SoS......
>
>
> Apache 2.2.14 mod_isapi Dangling Pointer
>
> Sense of Security - Security Advisory - SOS-10-002 security advisory
>
> Release Date. 5-Mar-2010
> Last Update. -
> Vendor Notification Date. 9-Feb-2010
> Product. Apache HTTP Server
> Platform. Microsoft Windows
> Affected versions. 2.2.14 verified and
> possibly others.
> Severity Rating. High
> Impact. System access
> Attack Vector. Remote
> Solution Status. Upgrade to 2.2.15 (as advised by
> Apache)
> CVE reference. CVE-2010-0425
>
> So, what does it say is the platform this problem is with ?!?!?!?!
>
> HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA!!!!!!!
>
> So, now by your (il)logic that you have displayed, this *IS* an MS
> problem, right ?

Clue...the difference is still the same!
Oops...hahaha...!