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Where are folder Options in W-7

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Stan Brown

Flightless Bird
On Fri, 17 Sep 2010 14:08:46 -0700, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
>
> On Fri, 17 Sep 2010 07:53:24 -0400, Stan Brown wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 16 Sep 2010 21:47:45 -0500, Valorie *~~ wrote:
> >>
> >> In folders - where are Tools, the Drop down menu, Folder Options etc?
> >> Where is File, Edit, View? I feel like I'm working with a watered down OS
> >> missing most of it's features. How do I find or turn these things on in
> >> W-7?

> >
> > My answer is "Right where they always were, at the top of the
> > window." If you don't see them, then I guess it's possible to
> > suppress them in Windows 7 but I can't imagine how you did it.

>
> They are suppressed by default. Pressing Alt pops them up temporarily
> and there is also an option to make them permanent.
>
> Barking put a link to that info earlier in this thread.


Thanks, Gene. I did see that.

I've had my Win 7 computer a couple of months, and I must have
enabled them first thing then forgotten all about it.

I've got /Windows 7 Annoyances/. It's pretty good, though I don't
like it quite as well as I did /Windows XP Annoyances/. I've ordered
/Windows 7 Inside Out/ (recommended by several people here) to give
me a better overview.



--
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://OakRoadSystems.com
Shikata ga nai...
 
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Stan Brown

Flightless Bird
On Fri, 17 Sep 2010 17:50:08 +0100, johnbee wrote:
> I have followed this thread with interest. You appear to be the only other
> person here who has noticed that email software is becoming worse.


I was actually pleasantly surprised by Thunderbird. I have about
five email addresses, and it was pretty easy to set up to retrieve
mail from all of them and send mail from any desired one.


--
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://OakRoadSystems.com
Shikata ga nai...
 
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Stan Brown

Flightless Bird
On Sat, 18 Sep 2010 18:48:06 -0500, milt wrote:
>
> On 9/18/2010 5:48 AM, Valorie *~~ wrote:
> > Thank you. I'm glad someone here agrees. The last really GOOD OS from MS
> > was XP. Just about everyone I know agrees.

>
> Finally, the gist of this person's constant complaining and why they
> refuse to answer questions to get help. They just want to go on about
> how crap Vista and 7 are and how wonderful XP was. Yup, one of those.
> Have fun living in the past with your obsolete OS, I'm sure it wouldn't
> be hard for you to get an old computer that can run XP and get a copy of
> XP. Have fun with that.


I really liked XP, probably because I took the trouble to really
learn it well. Over the 5.5 years I've had it I have done a LOT of
customization.

So Windows 7 is an adjustment, but as I get into it I'm liking it
better and better. For instance, in XP I had a pretty elaborate
structure in the Start Menu, with a lot of accelerator keys I
created. I was initially dreading re-establishing all those, but in
fact I don't have to. The most common programs I pin to the taskbar,
and the rest I can get just by hitting the Windows key and typing the
first few letters of the program name.

To get the most out of any appliance, you have to read the manual.
My car's owner's manual is several hundred pages, and the first
weekend I had it I read it all the way through and tried everything.
Windows is more complicated than a car (because it does more
different kinds of things), so it's no surprise that it takes some
work to learn to use it effectively.

What's amazing to me is that on the one hand there are people who
stand ready to help, out of the goodness of their hearts (and I've
benefited from that several times already), yet on the other hand
there are people who would rather moan and groan than get help.

--
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://OakRoadSystems.com
Shikata ga nai...
 
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Donald L McDaniel

Flightless Bird
On Sat, 18 Sep 2010 06:56:18 -0500, "Valorie *~"
<invalid@invalid.invaid> wrote:

>"Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.com.¡nvalidados> wrote in message
>news:i7278d$aqg$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>> On 09/18/2010 01:02 PM, Valorie *~~ wrote:
>>> What hot key? Why does MS keep this a secret? There is no button on the
>>> lower right corner of the
>>> screen.

>>
>> To the right of the clock, there is a rectangular, see through thing to
>> click.
>>
>> --
>> Alias

>
>
>Ahhhhhh... found it. It's hard to see. :) Thanks.



Microsoft's new Aero GUI IS hard to see. It's too dark for this old
man. Colors, etc can be changed by right-clicking on the Desktop and
choosing "Personalize..." (at the bottom of the right-click menu for
the Desktop). But all the young folks seem to like darker colors.

To help, I've been using a product since Windows 98 called
"WindowBlinds", from www.stardock.com. It enables one to pretty much
make the desktop look the way one wants it to look. It's pretty cheap
($19.95 for the shareware version, andhas remained at that price for
some years now) and has a preview mode which allows one to have a
two-week-or-so look at the beautiful desktops which can be made with
it.

WindowBlinds really does improve on the look and feel of Windows 7.

As for inconsistencies such as moved commands in menus, etc.
WindowBlinds won't help Windows 7 much.

However, there are several good tweakers out there, which can fix
things the way you want, without you having to learn the complicated
things about Windows 7 such as the Registry, etc., IF you are willing
to take the time to learn.

I've used several:
TweakVI
Tweak-7 (written expressly to take advantage of the technology in
Windows 7)
Boith are commercial products, but very cheap, considering the hell
one has to go through with an unadorned Windows 7.

Almost all tweakers can address the logical inconsistenciess by making
pokes to the Windows Registry for you, such as the "missing" (they
aren't really missing, since they can be found fairly easily, IF one
takes the time to LEARN) Menus in Windows Explorer and Internet
Explorer, and the "missing" Run command on the Start Menu.

Some of them even allow one to change Windows menus around the way one
wants them.

Of, course, all this takes time and practice, reading, research, etc.
If one doesn't take or have the time, all he/she can do is moan and
complain, and come to forums like this to share his/her misery. If
one is careful, however, and listens more than he/she talks, he/she
will come to love Windows 7 over Windows XP.


Donald L McDaniel
 
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Donald L McDaniel

Flightless Bird
On Sat, 18 Sep 2010 15:45:18 -0400, John Ferrell
<jferrell13@triad.rr.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 18 Sep 2010 13:44:48 +0100 (BST), "Rodney Pont"
><r.pont@infohit.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 18 Sep 2010 06:02:28 -0500, Valorie *~~ wrote:
>>
>>>What hot key? Why does MS keep this a secret?

>>
>>The Windows key and D? If that's the one you mean it's not exactly been
>>a secret. It's been around since the windows key appeared on keyboards.
>>Windows and E opens up Windows Explorer but I can't remember the others
>>at the moment.

>I was never forced to need this before since the Icon was always
>there...
>John Ferrell W8CCW


I guess some of us HAVE to be "forced" to make changes in our lives.
If we could all embrace change rather than fight it, the world would
be a better place, and its people would all be much happier.

Microsoft hasn't "hidden" these things: There are thousands,
hundreds-of-thousands of articles on the Net which make Windows clear
as a bell. Take some time to learn, John.

Hell, I'm 65, been using computers since my first Timex-Sinclair in
the late 70's, and love them. I'm allways learning something new
about Windows. I fully intend to continue my love affair till I log
out of this Life, and log in to the Great Programmer in the Sky.

Most of all, HAVE FUN with your computer. It's just a tool. Remember,
"Garbage in, garbage out."

Donald L McDaniel
 
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Donald L McDaniel

Flightless Bird
On Sat, 18 Sep 2010 06:16:01 -0500, "Valorie *~~"
<ValMcl@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>"Stan Brown" <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
>news:MPG.26fd20bef9c6fa8598c604@news.individual.net...
>> On Thu, 16 Sep 2010 21:47:45 -0500, Valorie *~~ wrote:
>>>
>>> In folders - where are Tools, the Drop down menu, Folder Options etc?
>>> Where is File, Edit, View? I feel like I'm working with a watered down
>>> OS
>>> missing most of it's features. How do I find or turn these things on in
>>> W-7?

>>
>> My answer is "Right where they always were, at the top of the
>> window." If you don't see them, then I guess it's possible to
>> suppress them in Windows 7 but I can't imagine how you did it.

>
>Why would I do it? If I did it I would bring them back. In W-7 they're
>hidden.


You know, Valorie, it is very simple to change the way file names
appear in W7. Here's how:
1) Open Control Panel (hopefully you know how to do that).
2) Find the applet called "Folder Options".
3) Click on the "View" tab.
4) Go down the list till you find "Hidden files and folders"
5) Select "Slhow hidden files, folders, and drives" and put a dot in
the radio-button to the left of the text.
6) Next, select "Hide extensions for known file types" and remove the
check-mark.
7) Click on "Apply", then "OK".

You might also want to remove the check-marks from all selections
which start with "Hide...". Some will tell you this is dangerous,
but if you want to see ALL your files, it is necessary.

Also, It will help you MUCH if you set your account type to
"Administrator". This will give you much more control over your OS.
Of course, many say this is dangerous security-wise. But with
experience comes knowledge and understanding. Once you gain those two
virtues Windows will become like an old friend, rather than an enemy.

If you learn how to protect your machine, you will have a much easier
time of it, and much less worry to boot.

Donald L McDaniel

>
>>
>>> W-7/SP2/Home Premium

>>
>> Please stop posting an impossible OS identification. If you have
>> Windows 7 then you *don't* have SP2.
>>
>> --
>> Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
>> http://OakRoadSystems.com
>> Shikata ga nai...

>
 
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Donald L McDaniel

Flightless Bird
On Fri, 17 Sep 2010 07:53:24 -0400, Stan Brown
<the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote:

>On Thu, 16 Sep 2010 21:47:45 -0500, Valorie *~~ wrote:
>>
>> In folders - where are Tools, the Drop down menu, Folder Options etc?
>> Where is File, Edit, View? I feel like I'm working with a watered down OS
>> missing most of it's features. How do I find or turn these things on in
>> W-7?

>
>My answer is "Right where they always were, at the top of the
>window." If you don't see them, then I guess it's possible to
>suppress them in Windows 7 but I can't imagine how you did it.


Stan, many Windows tweakers have the ability to hide such things as
the "Folder Options" selection on the "Tools" menu. Of course, if one
doesn't know how to use their computer properly, they would never know
that it is possible to always show the Menu in Explorer. In fact, if
one has little or no knowledge of Windows and computers in general,
he/she can really mess up their Desktop, even causing Window not to be
able to boot.


>
>> W-7/SP2/Home Premium

>
>Please stop posting an impossible OS identification. If you have
>Windows 7 then you *don't* have SP2.


It is obvious that Valorie is confused and ill-informed or she would
never have written such idiocy. She needs helpful instruction, not
rebukes.

Donald L McDaniel
 
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Gordon

Flightless Bird
On 20/09/2010 08:35, Donald L McDaniel wrote:

>
> Also, It will help you MUCH if you set your account type to
> "Administrator". This will give you much more control over your OS.
> Of course, many say this is dangerous security-wise.


Absolutely NO NEED to do this in Windows 7. Use the "Run as
Administrator" option instead. MUCH safer.
 
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Ronald Hands

Flightless Bird
I am a complete novice in Windows 7, but I think many of the
questions that are being asked here could be avoided if people
would just learn to use the search capability built into the
operating system.

Just click on the Windows start icon, at the left end of the
taskbar,and "search programs and files" will appear just above
it. Unlike the clunky search capability in windows XP, this one
works fast and has been able to answer any questions that I've
had so far in Windows 7.

I just tried it with a search on "hidden"and in addition to
coming up with a pointer to "show hidden files and folders", it
also had two other suggestions on relevant topics. I've used it
previously to track down the power options in my laptop. Often it
will simply point to the proper topic on the control panel, but
it's often a topic that you wouldn't spot if you were
scrutinizing the control panel itself.

Try it – you may like it.

– Ron
 
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Just Judy

Flightless Bird
On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 00:35:48 -0700, Donald L McDaniel
<defenestra@invalid.net> wrote:

>>>> In folders - where are Tools, the Drop down menu, Folder Options etc?
>>>> Where is File, Edit, View? I feel like I'm working with a watered down
>>>> OS
>>>> missing most of it's features. How do I find or turn these things on in
>>>> W-7?


I'm a new person here in the group; my friend just got her
first computer, and I'm trying to assist her. I'm a bit of a geek in
Win-XP, but Win-7 is a learning experience for me, so I'll be doing a
lot of lurking here.

The answer to the above may have already been posted, but it's
no longer on my server.

A quick way to get those File, View, Edit, menus back in Win-7
is to just hit the Alt key. It's a toggle. Hit it again, and those
menus disappear. I can't imagine life without them. ;)
--
Judy~
http://www.frugalsites.net/911/sept11.html
 
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Ken Blake

Flightless Bird
On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 10:28:47 -0400, Just Judy
<JoodyJoodyJoody@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 00:35:48 -0700, Donald L McDaniel
> <defenestra@invalid.net> wrote:
>
> >>>> In folders - where are Tools, the Drop down menu, Folder Options etc?
> >>>> Where is File, Edit, View? I feel like I'm working with a watered down
> >>>> OS
> >>>> missing most of it's features. How do I find or turn these things on in
> >>>> W-7?

>
> I'm a new person here in the group; my friend just got her
> first computer, and I'm trying to assist her. I'm a bit of a geek in
> Win-XP, but Win-7 is a learning experience for me, so I'll be doing a
> lot of lurking here.
>
> The answer to the above may have already been posted, but it's
> no longer on my server.
>
> A quick way to get those File, View, Edit, menus back in Win-7
> is to just hit the Alt key. It's a toggle. Hit it again, and those
> menus disappear. I can't imagine life without them. ;)



That's the temporary way to get it. To put it there permanently (and
like you, I always want it there), on the toolbar click Organize |
Layout | Menu bar.
 
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Donald L McDaniel

Flightless Bird
On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 09:55:48 -0400, Ronald Hands
<ronh@fakeaddress.net> wrote:

>I am a complete novice in Windows 7, but I think many of the
>questions that are being asked here could be avoided if people
>would just learn to use the search capability built into the
>operating system.
>
>Just click on the Windows start icon, at the left end of the
>taskbar,and "search programs and files" will appear just above
>it. Unlike the clunky search capability in windows XP, this one
>works fast and has been able to answer any questions that I've
>had so far in Windows 7.
>
>I just tried it with a search on "hidden"and in addition to
>coming up with a pointer to "show hidden files and folders", it
>also had two other suggestions on relevant topics. I've used it
>previously to track down the power options in my laptop. Often it
>will simply point to the proper topic on the control panel, but
>it's often a topic that you wouldn't spot if you were
>scrutinizing the control panel itself.
>
>Try it – you may like it.
>
>– Ron


Been there, done that.

I like to do things the hard way, evidently.

Donald McDaniel
 
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Gene E. Bloch

Flightless Bird
On Sat, 18 Sep 2010 06:15:09 -0500, Valorie *~~ wrote:

> "Gene E. Bloch" <not-me@other.invalid> wrote in message
> news:1ax259r896krz$.1brwypfv9jt8g$.dlg@40tude.net...
>> On Fri, 17 Sep 2010 11:50:21 -0400, Helroy wrote:
>>
>>> ?"Valorie *~~" <ValMcl@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:4c937f19@news.x-privat.org...
>>> "Barking" <not@to.me> wrote in message
>>> news:MPG.26fc9299ad6ee1a4989687@news.astraweb.com...
>>> > In article <4c92d703@news.x-privat.org>, Valorie *~~
>>> > <ValMcl@invalid.invalid> said...
>>> >>
>>> >> In folders - where are Tools, the Drop down menu, Folder Options
>>> etc?
>>> >> Where is File, Edit, View? I feel like I'm working with a watered
>>> down
>>> >> OS
>>> >> missing most of it's features. How do I find or turn these things
>>> on in
>>> >> W-7?
>>> >>
>>> > First google hit:
>>> >
>>> > http://malektips.com/windows-7-explorer-toggle-menu-bar.html
>>>
>>> Thank you. This is totally crazy what MS did. A total newbie wouldn't
>>> even
>>> think to ask. These changes are useless and of no benefit at all. How
>>> do
>>> people even know what to Google for. I see there are no extensions on
>>> many
>>> files. What the hell is the point of removing the extensions? I can't
>>> tell
>>> if they're jpgs or Gifs on W-7. God an I ever sorry I bought that PC
>>> w/W-7. It never took me more than a day to get a PC up and running.
>>> This
>>> is the *&^%$#@ pits. >:-(
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Quit trolling and buy yourself a book called:
>>> *Windows for Dummies.*

>>
>> A person after my own heart. I gave similar advice in one of Valorie's
>> earlier rants^b^b^b^b^b posts, and I was going to repost it here until I
>> saw your post.

>
> You haven't noticed that books weren't needed for the other OS systems MS
> put out before W-7? You took it out of the box and in the morning and by
> nightfall you were all set up and ready to go. Now people need to buy a
> book to get the newest OS working.... pathetic.
>
>>
>> --
>> Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)


"Pathetic"? This from a person who can't make things work that many
others find easy, in spite of help from many many posters in this
newsgroup.

I have bought books, and obtained free books when available, for many
operating systems from FAP for the IBM 7090 through Unix, various
versions of DOS, many versions of Windows, and even OS-X. That list is
not exhaustive,either...

One result of the above: I get these things to work for me. You might
consider emulating that behavior, even though it seems pathetic to you
from, of all places, your position of failure where most others have
succeeded.

I said above in another thread that you shouldn't expect to hear from me
again, so I lied to you. I don't mind doing that.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)
 
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Gene E. Bloch

Flightless Bird
On Sat, 18 Sep 2010 16:00:20 -0400, John Ferrell wrote:

> On Fri, 17 Sep 2010 14:05:07 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
> <not-me@other.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 17 Sep 2010 11:50:21 -0400, Helroy wrote:
>>
>>> ?"Valorie *~~" <ValMcl@invalid.invalid> wrote in message news:4c937f19@news.x-privat.org...
>>> "Barking" <not@to.me> wrote in message
>>> news:MPG.26fc9299ad6ee1a4989687@news.astraweb.com...
>>> > In article <4c92d703@news.x-privat.org>, Valorie *~~
>>> > <ValMcl@invalid.invalid> said...
>>> >>
>>> >> In folders - where are Tools, the Drop down menu, Folder Options etc?
>>> >> Where is File, Edit, View? I feel like I'm working with a watered down

>
>>>
>>> Quit trolling and buy yourself a book called:
>>> *Windows for Dummies.*

>>
>>A person after my own heart. I gave similar advice in one of Valorie's
>>earlier rants^b^b^b^b^b posts, and I was going to repost it here until I
>>saw your post.

> This is always so much fun!
> I will be sure to look for the W7 for Dummies Book. They are always a
> good starting place.


It helped me. I also have a book from Microsoft called "Windows 7 Plain
& Simple". And of course experience in precursor versions of Windows.

They *are* good starting places, as is this newsgroup. Of course, all
the books have gaps or confusing passages, but a bit of patience and
experimentation can work wonders.

> I find it amusing that the folks that put out
> products that need a Dummies book are not at least a little ashamed to
> ship a product with out the neccessary information to make it go.
>
> I am close to going "live" with W7 but there are a more traps to
> find...
>
> Keep the info coming, it is worth wading thru the Spam on this group
> to read!
> John Ferrell W8CCW



--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)
 
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Gene E. Bloch

Flightless Bird
On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 22:27:19 -0400, Stan Brown wrote:

> On Fri, 17 Sep 2010 14:08:46 -0700, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, 17 Sep 2010 07:53:24 -0400, Stan Brown wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 16 Sep 2010 21:47:45 -0500, Valorie *~~ wrote:
>>>>
>>>> In folders - where are Tools, the Drop down menu, Folder Options etc?
>>>> Where is File, Edit, View? I feel like I'm working with a watered down OS
>>>> missing most of it's features. How do I find or turn these things on in
>>>> W-7?
>>>
>>> My answer is "Right where they always were, at the top of the
>>> window." If you don't see them, then I guess it's possible to
>>> suppress them in Windows 7 but I can't imagine how you did it.

>>
>> They are suppressed by default. Pressing Alt pops them up temporarily
>> and there is also an option to make them permanent.
>>
>> Barking put a link to that info earlier in this thread.

>
> Thanks, Gene. I did see that.
>
> I've had my Win 7 computer a couple of months, and I must have
> enabled them first thing then forgotten all about it.
>
> I've got /Windows 7 Annoyances/. It's pretty good, though I don't
> like it quite as well as I did /Windows XP Annoyances/. I've ordered
> /Windows 7 Inside Out/ (recommended by several people here) to give
> me a better overview.


You happen to have a reasonable attitude :)

I haven't solved all my problems with 7, but that doesn't keep me from
finding it to be a good OS, and I actually enjoy it.

One area where I've had to rely on third-party software is searching;
another is (fanfare, please!) mail and newsgroups. Finally, I keep
having bad experiences in Libraries in Windows Explorer, so I just try
to avoid that, since the functionality is redundant anyway.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)
 
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Gene E. Bloch

Flightless Bird
On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 00:46:10 -0700, Donald L McDaniel wrote:

> It is obvious that Valorie is confused and ill-informed or she would
> never have written such idiocy. She needs helpful instruction, not
> rebukes.


I would agree if she showed any willingness to listen to the huge amount
of excellent advice she has already gotten here.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)
 
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Valorie *~~

Flightless Bird
"milt" <theatre_nospam_guy@miltsweb.com> wrote in message
news:i73j5j$ggq$2@news.eternal-september.org...
> On 9/18/2010 5:48 AM, Valorie *~~ wrote:
>> Thank you. I'm glad someone here agrees. The last really GOOD OS from MS
>> was XP. Just about everyone I know agrees.

>
> Finally, the gist of this person's constant complaining and why they
> refuse to answer questions to get help.


I haven't refused to answer any questions. Which have you asked that I
refused to answer?

They just want to go on about
> how crap Vista and 7 are and how wonderful XP was. Yup, one of those.


Must everyone here rave and rant about the latest MS product? I like Vista
but had less screen freezes with XP.

> Have fun living in the past with your obsolete OS, I'm sure it wouldn't be
> hard for you to get an old computer that can run XP and get a copy of XP.
> Have fun with that.


Now I see you didn't even bother to read my messages fore whining. We
already have 2 PCs with XP and 2 with Vista.
 
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Valorie *~~

Flightless Bird
"Stan Brown" <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
news:MPG.27009727b320a7df98c612@news.individual.net...
> What's amazing to me is that on the one hand there are people who
> stand ready to help, out of the goodness of their hearts (and I've
> benefited from that several times already), yet on the other hand
> there are people who would rather moan and groan than get help.


They moan and groan to their friends instead of coming here looking for help
and being called a troll. Gotcha! :)
 
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Valorie *~~

Flightless Bird
"johnbee" <johnbrockbank@com.invalid> wrote in message
news:i75okh$bkp$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>
> "Valorie *~~" <ValMcl@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
> news:4c949913@news.x-privat.org...
>> How do I shut the security crap off? Have you any idea?

>
> Of course I do. I learned about security on a VAX quite a while ago.
> Have a go at this:
>
> Control Panel
> User Accounts
> Change User Account Control settings
>
> There is a slider which you can set at four levels, Try setting it one
> level above the bottom - that will I think stop it asking for your
> password every few minutes although it will ask you if you run a program
> which might affect other users - you won't be asked for a password though,
> one click to confirm is all. If you set it at the bottom, User Account
> Control will be disabled.


That didn't work to give "permission" to move the files in WE where WLM was
concerned. I finally let my husband handle it. He disabled some setting as
per this NG (I don't ignore info I get here) and got the files moved. But
WLM acted the same, even with the files from WM replacing them. Installing
WM from my Vista machine wouldn't open. It's there but unusable even with
the correct dll. Someone above gave a site with more info. I'll let him
try it tomorrow. He has more patience than I with software.

> The next level of 'turning off security' however is a lot more work and
> entails you very tediously altering the security settings on every file.
> The PC will wear out before you finish and you will probably go mad anyway
> before that.


I'm close to mad now. I see no reason for MS to do this after all these
years. It makes it nothing but aggravation when doing something like
installing WM on W-7.

> Actually also you will not really need to do that because all that you
> will stop happening is being asked for your password when you try to peek
> at other users' files. I assume that will be fairly rare. If I were you
> I would strictly keep out of altering security settings on files and
> folders, because it is easy to accidentally do very silly things.


Correct.... but I've never done a silly thing on any of my old machines.
Never a problem. :) I'm very careful when making any changes especially in
the registry.

>
> That said however, practice dealing with this by creating a folder
> somewhere you don't care about mucking up and create a file in that folder
> that you don't mind doing silly things with. Then right click the file or
> the folder and look at the Properties, and click on the security tab. You
> will see a message suggesting that you 'Learn more about security'
> (something like that anyway). Click on it and see if you feel confident
> about changing things. If you are a bit daft you can of course go ahead
> and do whatever you want, as you say it is your PC.


Have you checked that out? I didn't understand some of the techie-speak in
'Learn more about security' and much of the choices were grayed out and
useless.

> You will be told a lot of stupidly incorrect things about security,
> because as I said, it is a tricky thing. If you really want to learn
> about it, go on a course - it will cost you a few thousand quid but might
> save you from needing a new PC if you start dickering without training.
>
> Furthermore, even if you do the course it is still extremely likely that
> you will make a total Horlicks of it the first few times: and it is
> really not worth bothering with.
>
> I will tell you something you don't know and can not find out without a
> lot of work. The reason why security is tricky and extremely difficult to
> learn is that it is best that few people, IT Pros, know how to do it
> because if everybody knows about it, some people will be helped to make a
> nuisance of themselves. For another thing viruses and rogue software are
> a pain in the nuts for many people and with little security your PC will
> be riddled with crap after a few hours, your bank account will be empty
> and loads of other people will also have big trouble. The VAX security
> manual was kept in my office in a safe with a combination lock.


Amazing! And may be true for some people. I could move files all over the
place in Vista and XP and honest to God have not had a problem. When I
first got XP a few years back I picked up a key logger and a browser (porn)
hijacker caught my scumware at the time. One could not be removed and
really messed up IE. I went ahead and reformatted the HD and reinstalled
the OS. Problem gone. Norton is too. I switched to another anti-virus
program and a few scumware catchers plus ZoneAlarm. I believe in all my PCs
wearing heavy prophylactics. ;-)

>
>
>> I back everything up on an external Seagate drive or flash drives.

>
> I would be grateful if you would tell me which software you use for that:
> Windows backup tells me I have not enough space despite the fact that my C
> drive is only a third used, the external drive has nearly 2 TB free space
> and I am backing up only about 50 MB of documents.


Just what came with my Seagate external HD. As for the flash-cards or
thumb-drives, they work like the old floppies. The info is on them. Just
click the file and Send To and off they go. Seagate does it automatically
every Sunday - or is supposed to.

>
>> I can see why some of the people we know have switched to Macs.

>
> My son has a Mac and swears by it but his children hate it because their
> friends use PCs and school only uses PCs.
>
> I must admit that I find the snags and horrors of it part of the fun.


Some of our relatives and friends have switched to MACs and swear by them
also. Some stared with MACs and wonder why anyone stays with windows. Until
W-7 we were satisfied with W's OS's. This is the first one we don't like
at all. There was of course a learning curve with our first PC, W95, after
that it was smoothe saliling with all the new MS OSs - until W-7.

> I also noticed something in an earlier message which appears not to have
> been mentioned. In short, start Windows Explorer and open a folder with
> plenty of files in, and choose Tools, folder options and click the View
> tab. I reckon if you scroll down the various bits and bobs you will find
> that by default you have a setting to hide known file extensions. If you
> deselect it, voila, all the extensions will pop into view. Scuse my
> French.


I've done that already thanks to another poster who helped me find the top
bar, hidden by MS for some reason.

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