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Where are folder Options in W-7

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Valorie *~~

Flightless Bird
"Gene E. Bloch" <not-me@other.invalid> wrote in message
news:1ax259r896krz$.1brwypfv9jt8g$.dlg@40tude.net...
> On Fri, 17 Sep 2010 11:50:21 -0400, Helroy wrote:
>
>> ?"Valorie *~~" <ValMcl@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:4c937f19@news.x-privat.org...
>> "Barking" <not@to.me> wrote in message
>> news:MPG.26fc9299ad6ee1a4989687@news.astraweb.com...
>> > In article <4c92d703@news.x-privat.org>, Valorie *~~
>> > <ValMcl@invalid.invalid> said...
>> >>
>> >> In folders - where are Tools, the Drop down menu, Folder Options

>> etc?
>> >> Where is File, Edit, View? I feel like I'm working with a watered

>> down
>> >> OS
>> >> missing most of it's features. How do I find or turn these things

>> on in
>> >> W-7?
>> >>
>> > First google hit:
>> >
>> > http://malektips.com/windows-7-explorer-toggle-menu-bar.html

>>
>> Thank you. This is totally crazy what MS did. A total newbie wouldn't
>> even
>> think to ask. These changes are useless and of no benefit at all. How
>> do
>> people even know what to Google for. I see there are no extensions on
>> many
>> files. What the hell is the point of removing the extensions? I can't
>> tell
>> if they're jpgs or Gifs on W-7. God an I ever sorry I bought that PC
>> w/W-7. It never took me more than a day to get a PC up and running.
>> This
>> is the *&^%$#@ pits. >:-(
>>
>>
>>
>> Quit trolling and buy yourself a book called:
>> *Windows for Dummies.*

>
> A person after my own heart. I gave similar advice in one of Valorie's
> earlier rants^b^b^b^b^b posts, and I was going to repost it here until I
> saw your post.


You haven't noticed that books weren't needed for the other OS systems MS
put out before W-7? You took it out of the box and in the morning and by
nightfall you were all set up and ready to go. Now people need to buy a
book to get the newest OS working.... pathetic.

>
> --
> Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)
 
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Valorie *~~

Flightless Bird
"Stan Brown" <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
news:MPG.26fd20bef9c6fa8598c604@news.individual.net...
> On Thu, 16 Sep 2010 21:47:45 -0500, Valorie *~~ wrote:
>>
>> In folders - where are Tools, the Drop down menu, Folder Options etc?
>> Where is File, Edit, View? I feel like I'm working with a watered down
>> OS
>> missing most of it's features. How do I find or turn these things on in
>> W-7?

>
> My answer is "Right where they always were, at the top of the
> window." If you don't see them, then I guess it's possible to
> suppress them in Windows 7 but I can't imagine how you did it.


Why would I do it? If I did it I would bring them back. In W-7 they're
hidden.

>
>> W-7/SP2/Home Premium

>
> Please stop posting an impossible OS identification. If you have
> Windows 7 then you *don't* have SP2.
>
> --
> Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
> http://OakRoadSystems.com
> Shikata ga nai...
 
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Alias

Flightless Bird
On 09/18/2010 01:02 PM, Valorie *~~ wrote:
> What hot key? Why does MS keep this a secret? There is no button on the
> lower right corner of the
> screen.


To the right of the clock, there is a rectangular, see through thing to
click.

--
Alias
 
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Valorie *~

Flightless Bird
"Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.com.¡nvalidados> wrote in message
news:i7278d$aqg$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> On 09/18/2010 01:02 PM, Valorie *~~ wrote:
>> What hot key? Why does MS keep this a secret? There is no button on the
>> lower right corner of the
>> screen.

>
> To the right of the clock, there is a rectangular, see through thing to
> click.
>
> --
> Alias



Ahhhhhh... found it. It's hard to see. :) Thanks.
 
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Nil

Flightless Bird
On 18 Sep 2010, "Valorie *~~" <ValMcl@invalid.invalid> wrote in
alt.windows7.general:

> Not true. They were there by default on the HP PCs we bought right
> from W95 to Vista. We would never have known they existed.


Yes true. Windows default for the past 15 yeas has been to hide file
extensions. It's a matter of history. You are wrong. If HP changed
the default that's their doing, not Microsoft's. But I don't believe
they did.

> Really? All you do is surf the web and use online Forums? Tell me
> how to move WM to W-7 so I can again enjoy getting email and
> Usenet.


You're not listening: Windows Mail is not qualified to run on
Windows7. If you want to enjoy email and news you will have to use
another of the many fine programs out there, or if you're lucky and
patient you might be able to finagle WM according to the folkloric
instructions handed down from generation to generation.

> Tell me how to "get permission" to move files on my own PC.


I have no idea what you're talking about. As usual, you give scant
or no information. I can move files on my Windows7 computer with no
particular problem. I have a feeling you are confused.

> Tell me.... how do I get complete control of my own PC so I can
> move files on W-7 so it's "functional" for what we need the PC
> for, not what MS or anyone else thinks is functional for us. :)


I'll tell you: you learn how to do accomplish the task rather than
sitting there whining. I can do it. Millions of others can do it. I
bet you can, too.
 
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Rodney Pont

Flightless Bird
On Sat, 18 Sep 2010 06:02:28 -0500, Valorie *~~ wrote:

>What hot key? Why does MS keep this a secret?


The Windows key and D? If that's the one you mean it's not exactly been
a secret. It's been around since the windows key appeared on keyboards.
Windows and E opens up Windows Explorer but I can't remember the others
at the moment.

--
Regards - Rodney Pont
The from address exists but is mostly dumped,
please send any emails to the address below
e-mail rpont (at) gmail (dot) com
 
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DanS

Flightless Bird

> A few weeks later
>> I stumbled onto the "hidden" button on the lower right
>> corner of the screen. When my grand daughter brought her
>> fiance to meet the family I proudly showed him what I had
>> discovered. Then he showed me the "hot Key" way back to
>> the Desktop.

>
> What hot key? Why does MS keep this a secret? There is no
> button on the lower right corner of the
> screen.


I'm guessing WinKey-D is the hot key........definitely in XP.

As a matter fo fact, many of these have been around for many
versions of Windows......

http://www.mydigitallife.info/2009/07/31/windows-7-keyboard-
shortcuts-accelerator-keys-or-hotkeys-full-listing/
 
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Nil

Flightless Bird
On 18 Sep 2010, "Valorie *~~" <ValMcl@invalid.invalid> wrote in
alt.windows7.general:

> What hot key? Why does MS keep this a secret? There is no button
> on the lower right corner of the screen.


It's right there in the Help file. Has been for years. It's no
secret. What, do you want Bill Gates to visit you when you're
sleeping and slip a scented note under your pillow?

> This so far has been nothing but aggravation for days now. >:-(


The aggravation is clearly almost entirely of your own making.
 
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Ken Blake

Flightless Bird
On Sat, 18 Sep 2010 12:13:09 +0000 (UTC), Nil
<rednoise@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> wrote:


> You're not listening: Windows Mail is not qualified to run on
> Windows7. If you want to enjoy email and news you will have to use
> another of the many fine programs out there, or if you're lucky and
> patient you might be able to finagle WM according to the folkloric
> instructions handed down from generation to generation.



Nevertheless, Windows Mail *does* run in Windows 7. I've never tried
it myself, but here are instructions:
http://www.mydigitallife.info/2009/06/05/download-windows-mail-from-vista-for-use-in-windows-7/
or http://tinyurl.com/o276tv
 
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John Ferrell

Flightless Bird
On Fri, 17 Sep 2010 17:50:08 +0100, "johnbee"
<johnbrockbank@com.invalid> wrote:

>
>"Valorie *~~" <ValMcl@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>news:4c92f475@news.x-privat.org...
>> "Frank" <fb@win7x32.esd> wrote in message
>> news:4c92ede3@news.x-privat.org...
>>> On 9/16/2010 7:47 PM, Valorie *~~ wrote:
>>>> In folders - where are Tools, the Drop down menu, Folder Options etc?
>>>> Where is File, Edit, View? I feel like I'm working with a watered down
>>>> OS missing most of it's features. How do I find or turn these things on
>>>> in W-7?
>>>>
>>>> W-7/SP2/Home Premium...
>>>
>>> ...there is no such OS "W-7/SP2/Home Premium".

>>
>> You're right.
>>>
>>> Are you running Vista/SP2? Did you come from XP?
>>> For folder options go to Control Panel/Folder Options.

>>
>> I'm talking about the new W-7 PC.
>>>

>>
>>

>
>I have followed this thread with interest. You appear to be the only other
>person here who has noticed that email software is becoming worse. I don't
>know why that is, (I am fairly sure Microsoft made wlm deliberately not good
>because of the monopoly stuff; of course Usenet is I suppose disliked by
>'the authorities' so they hope it is dying out. My ISP does not even
>provide Usenet access.
>


I switched to Thunderbird for email and have been very happy with it.
The look & feel of Outlook Express with many improvements and the
install swallowed up everything from the Outlook Express application.
The next thing is to move it over to the W7 machine.
John Ferrell W8CCW
 
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John Ferrell

Flightless Bird
On Sat, 18 Sep 2010 06:02:28 -0500, "Valorie *~~"
<ValMcl@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>"John Ferrell" <jferrell13@triad.rr.com> wrote in message
>news:823796t562gef308qqipssprnv3na7oiov@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 17 Sep 2010 10:48:28 -0400, "SC Tom" <sc@tom.net> wrote:
>>
>> [snip...]
>>>Did you not use any Windows OS since Win95 Original Edition? Most of these
>>>options have been around for a very long time, and the method to get to
>>>them
>>>is not all that different.

>>
>> I like w7!
>> Having said that:
>> It would be nice to have an GUI that would allow simple customizing of
>> the user interface along with the quick switch available that would
>> allow using the current Windows operating GUI.
>>
>> That way I would not have to spend so much time hunting for
>> incantations that I know are there, just not where.

>
>And what the heck was the point of MS moving things around like that? How is
>it an improvement?
>

My theory is that they use new people with zero experience to make
these decisions.
>>
>> I could then keep a simplified GUI for my clients (family & friends)
>> who just want to do the common uses on the computer.
>>
>> My first big question when I went to W7 was how to find my way back to
>> the desktop. After Goggling and chasing the answers I found an app
>> that I could keep on the task bar that did the job.

>
>What app is that? I can't get to the desktop with one click anymore on W-7.
>I miss the "desktop" icon on the taskbar.
>

Use notepad to make the following to a ShowDesktop.txt file, then name
it as a .scf file and put it on the desktop. then drag it to the task
bar...

[Shell]
Command=2
IconFile=explorer.exe,3
[Taskbar]
Command=ToggleDesktop


>A few weeks later
>> I stumbled onto the "hidden" button on the lower right corner of the
>> screen. When my grand daughter brought her fiance to meet the family I
>> proudly showed him what I had discovered. Then he showed me the "hot
>> Key" way back to the Desktop.

>
>What hot key? Why does MS keep this a secret? There is no button on the
>lower right corner of the
>screen.
>

The button is blue on blue. The concealment is evidence that MS has
sickies manning the customer interface.

The hot key to the destop is WindowsKey + d
where WindowsKey is the Logo-Flag key which is the second from the
left on the bottom row of my US English Keyboard.

>>
>> After a split second of embarrassment I recovered and promptly
>> notified him that I was renaming him "Keeper". I wish that they lived
>> closer.
>>
>> I think this scenario is typical. I am not a green rookie. I have been
>> living and breathing computers since they were constructed with vacuum
>> tubes and relays. The inflexible interfaces we continue to struggle
>> are both artificial and unnecessary.
>>
>> I have no real problem with using the New Office GUI's other than a
>> lot of my clients are really just wanting to get the job done, they
>> are more than annoyed that they are expected to learn new interfaces
>> that do the "same old stuff"!

>
>There you go! I want to set the thing up and move on. Not spend days as I
>am trying to get some work done and have some fun on the machine. This so
>far has been nothing but aggravation for days now. >:-(
>
>>
>> Being in the business means that whatever is being used is what I need
>> to know so I really don't care what dumb changes are made. I will, as
>> always, try to get on top of the problems as quickly as possible. You
>> don't have to be smart to deal with these thins, just committed.
>>
>> So go ahead and hide the important stuff, we will figure it out
>> eventually. But, it is an area that your competition exploit to take
>> your business. The number one reason I hear from those who jump to
>> Apple is that it is easier to use...

>
>MS can't seem to learn anything. The average PC buyer out there is NOT a
>techie, Nerd or Geek. That can't seem to get through to MS.
>

You broke the code!
>>
>> John Ferrell W8CCW

>

John Ferrell W8CCW
 
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John Ferrell

Flightless Bird
On Sat, 18 Sep 2010 13:44:48 +0100 (BST), "Rodney Pont"
<r.pont@infohit.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:

>On Sat, 18 Sep 2010 06:02:28 -0500, Valorie *~~ wrote:
>
>>What hot key? Why does MS keep this a secret?

>
>The Windows key and D? If that's the one you mean it's not exactly been
>a secret. It's been around since the windows key appeared on keyboards.
>Windows and E opens up Windows Explorer but I can't remember the others
>at the moment.

I was never forced to need this before since the Icon was always
there...
John Ferrell W8CCW
 
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Alias

Flightless Bird
On 09/18/2010 01:56 PM, Valorie *~ wrote:
> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.com.¡nvalidados> wrote in message
> news:i7278d$aqg$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>> On 09/18/2010 01:02 PM, Valorie *~~ wrote:
>>> What hot key? Why does MS keep this a secret? There is no button on the
>>> lower right corner of the
>>> screen.

>>
>> To the right of the clock, there is a rectangular, see through thing
>> to click.
>>
>> --
>> Alias

>
>
> Ahhhhhh... found it. It's hard to see. :) Thanks.


You're welcome.

--
Alias
 
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Alias

Flightless Bird
On 09/18/2010 09:45 PM, John Ferrell wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Sep 2010 13:44:48 +0100 (BST), "Rodney Pont"
> <r.pont@infohit.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 18 Sep 2010 06:02:28 -0500, Valorie *~~ wrote:
>>
>>> What hot key? Why does MS keep this a secret?

>>
>> The Windows key and D? If that's the one you mean it's not exactly been
>> a secret. It's been around since the windows key appeared on keyboards.
>> Windows and E opens up Windows Explorer but I can't remember the others
>> at the moment.

> I was never forced to need this before since the Icon was always
> there...
> John Ferrell W8CCW


It still is, to the right of the clock.

--
Alias
 
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John Ferrell

Flightless Bird
On Fri, 17 Sep 2010 14:05:07 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
<not-me@other.invalid> wrote:

>On Fri, 17 Sep 2010 11:50:21 -0400, Helroy wrote:
>
>> ?"Valorie *~~" <ValMcl@invalid.invalid> wrote in message news:4c937f19@news.x-privat.org...
>> "Barking" <not@to.me> wrote in message
>> news:MPG.26fc9299ad6ee1a4989687@news.astraweb.com...
>> > In article <4c92d703@news.x-privat.org>, Valorie *~~
>> > <ValMcl@invalid.invalid> said...
>> >>
>> >> In folders - where are Tools, the Drop down menu, Folder Options etc?
>> >> Where is File, Edit, View? I feel like I'm working with a watered down


>>
>> Quit trolling and buy yourself a book called:
>> *Windows for Dummies.*

>
>A person after my own heart. I gave similar advice in one of Valorie's
>earlier rants^b^b^b^b^b posts, and I was going to repost it here until I
>saw your post.

This is always so much fun!
I will be sure to look for the W7 for Dummies Book. They are always a
good starting place. I find it amusing that the folks that put out
products that need a Dummies book are not at least a little ashamed to
ship a product with out the neccessary information to make it go.

I am close to going "live" with W7 but there are a more traps to
find...

Keep the info coming, it is worth wading thru the Spam on this group
to read!
John Ferrell W8CCW
 
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Ken Blake

Flightless Bird
On Sat, 18 Sep 2010 06:02:28 -0500, "Valorie *~~"
<ValMcl@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> I can't get to the desktop with one click anymore on W-7.



Yes, you can. See below.


> I miss the "desktop" icon on the taskbar.


> A few weeks later
> > I stumbled onto the "hidden" button on the lower right corner of the
> > screen. When my grand daughter brought her fiance to meet the family I
> > proudly showed him what I had discovered. Then he showed me the "hot
> > Key" way back to the Desktop.

>
> What hot key? Why does MS keep this a secret? There is no button on the
> lower right corner of the
> screen.



I wouldn't call it a "hotkey."

However it doesn't really look like a button. It's simply the small
rectangle at the very end of the task bar (right, if the task bar is
on top or bottom of the screen); bottom, if it's on the left or right
side of the screen).

Microsoft certainly doesn't keep it a secret, but they haven't done a
great job of explaining all the many features of Windows 7. In my
view, that's primarily because they (and almost all other software
vendors) no longer include a manual with their products.

Why don't they include a manual? To keep the costs done. We may
complain about the absence of a manual, but if there was a manual, we
would undoubtedly complain about the higher price instead.

Although they don't include a manual with their products, there are
*lots* of books we can buy to fill that gap. There are several good
choices, but my favorite is "Windows 7 Inside Out" by Bott, Seichert,
and Stinson.

And for those people who don't want to spend the money for a book, you
can find most of the same information on the internet. Like anything
else, if you want to learn something about it, it takes some effort
studying. If you don't make that effort, blame yourself, not
Microsoft.
 
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milt

Flightless Bird
On 9/17/2010 3:52 PM, KCB wrote:
>
> File Extensions are enabled/disabled in the same place. They are
> disabled by default. This has been the case for at least the last 3
> versions of Windows, it's not new.


That's what everyone keeps trying to explain to this person but they say
"no it wasn't" and go on to whine about the OS some more.

I'm starting to think this person is just a troll because they keep
going on and on about not being able to move files without permission
but tons of people do it all the time and when asked to explain
themselves, they ignore the question completely. One that wants to learn
how to get something to work doesn't just keep complaining and not give
the information that is asked to help them solve their problem.
 
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milt

Flightless Bird
On 9/18/2010 5:48 AM, Valorie *~~ wrote:
> Thank you. I'm glad someone here agrees. The last really GOOD OS from MS
> was XP. Just about everyone I know agrees.


Finally, the gist of this person's constant complaining and why they
refuse to answer questions to get help. They just want to go on about
how crap Vista and 7 are and how wonderful XP was. Yup, one of those.
Have fun living in the past with your obsolete OS, I'm sure it wouldn't
be hard for you to get an old computer that can run XP and get a copy of
XP. Have fun with that.
 
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johnbee

Flightless Bird
"Valorie *~~" <ValMcl@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:4c949913@news.x-privat.org...
> How do I shut the security crap off? Have you any idea?


Of course I do. I learned about security on a VAX quite a while ago. Have
a go at this:

Control Panel
User Accounts
Change User Account Control settings

There is a slider which you can set at four levels, Try setting it one
level above the bottom - that will I think stop it asking for your password
every few minutes although it will ask you if you run a program which might
affect other users - you won't be asked for a password though, one click to
confirm is all. If you set it at the bottom, User Account Control will be
disabled.

The next level of 'turning off security' however is a lot more work and
entails you very tediously altering the security settings on every file.
The PC will wear out before you finish and you will probably go mad anyway
before that.

Actually also you will not really need to do that because all that you will
stop happening is being asked for your password when you try to peek at
other users' files. I assume that will be fairly rare. If I were you I
would strictly keep out of altering security settings on files and folders,
because it is easy to accidentally do very silly things.

That said however, practice dealing with this by creating a folder somewhere
you don't care about mucking up and create a file in that folder that you
don't mind doing silly things with. Then right click the file or the folder
and look at the Properties, and click on the security tab. You will see a
message suggesting that you 'Learn more about security' (something like that
anyway). Click on it and see if you feel confident about changing things.
If you are a bit daft you can of course go ahead and do whatever you want,
as you say it is your PC.

You will be told a lot of stupidly incorrect things about security, because
as I said, it is a tricky thing. If you really want to learn about it, go
on a course - it will cost you a few thousand quid but might save you from
needing a new PC if you start dickering without training.

Furthermore, even if you do the course it is still extremely likely that you
will make a total Horlicks of it the first few times: and it is really not
worth bothering with.

I will tell you something you don't know and can not find out without a lot
of work. The reason why security is tricky and extremely difficult to learn
is that it is best that few people, IT Pros, know how to do it because if
everybody knows about it, some people will be helped to make a nuisance of
themselves. For another thing viruses and rogue software are a pain in the
nuts for many people and with little security your PC will be riddled with
crap after a few hours, your bank account will be empty and loads of other
people will also have big trouble. The VAX security manual was kept in my
office in a safe with a combination lock.


> I back everything up on an external Seagate drive or flash drives.


I would be grateful if you would tell me which software you use for that:
Windows backup tells me I have not enough space despite the fact that my C
drive is only a third used, the external drive has nearly 2 TB free space
and I am backing up only about 50 MB of documents.

> I can see why some of the people we know have switched to Macs.


My son has a Mac and swears by it but his children hate it because their
friends use PCs and school only uses PCs.

I must admit that I find the snags and horrors of it part of the fun.

I also noticed something in an earlier message which appears not to have
been mentioned. In short, start Windows Explorer and open a folder with
plenty of files in, and choose Tools, folder options and click the View tab.
I reckon if you scroll down the various bits and bobs you will find that by
default you have a setting to hide known file extensions. If you deselect
it, voila, all the extensions will pop into view. Scuse my French.
 
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Ken Blake

Flightless Bird
On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 20:34:41 +0100, "johnbee"
<johnbrockbank@com.invalid> wrote:


> My son has a Mac and swears by it but his children hate it because their
> friends use PCs and school only uses PCs.



Your son and his children are like the rest of us. We like what we
know the best.
 
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