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Where are all the old sites on "news microsoft.com"?

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Peter Jason

Flightless Bird
I always used these for help on Access, Word etc.

Please help
P
 
B

Bruce Hagen

Flightless Bird
"Peter Jason" <pj@jostle.com> wrote in message
news:KsidnWXyOPj2MozRnZ2dnUVZ_j6dnZ2d@netspace.net.au...
>I always used these for help on Access, Word etc.
>
> Please help
> P


Can't find what you are looking for? Links are available below for
Newsgroups Deleted June 1, 2010
http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/list/en-us/default.aspx

Microsoft Responds to the Evolution of Communities
http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/default.mspx

By October, the MS news server will cease to exist. Other news servers
will continue to carry the newsgroups. How long, no one knows.

If you subscribed to a server such as Eternal-September, you will find
your lost groups. That said, there will be less people asking and
answering posts as time goes on. I am posting now in the new Microsoft
Answers forums as well as the Usenet groups.

Microsoft Answers home page.
http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/categories\

Microsoft Answers - First Time Users
http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/default.aspx
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP [Mail]
Imperial Beach, CA
 
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Peter Jason

Flightless Bird
"Bruce Hagen" <BRH@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
news:husbq8$3o0$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>
> "Peter Jason" <pj@jostle.com> wrote in message
> news:KsidnWXyOPj2MozRnZ2dnUVZ_j6dnZ2d@netspace.net.au...
>>I always used these for help on Access, Word etc.
>>
>> Please help
>> P
>
>
> Can't find what you are looking for? Links are available
> below for
> Newsgroups Deleted June 1, 2010
> http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/list/en-us/default.aspx
>
> Microsoft Responds to the Evolution of Communities
> http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/default.mspx
>
> By October, the MS news server will cease to exist. Other
> news servers
> will continue to carry the newsgroups. How long, no one
> knows.
>
> If you subscribed to a server such as Eternal-September,
> you will find
> your lost groups. That said, there will be less people
> asking and
> answering posts as time goes on. I am posting now in the
> new Microsoft
> Answers forums as well as the Usenet groups.
>
> Microsoft Answers home page.
> http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/categories\
>
> Microsoft Answers - First Time Users
> http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/default.aspx
> --
> Bruce Hagen
> MS-MVP [Mail]
> Imperial Beach, C


Thank you. I'll follow this up
 
L

LVTravel

Flightless Bird
"Bruce Hagen" <BRH@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
news:husbq8$3o0$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>
> "Peter Jason" <pj@jostle.com> wrote in message
> news:KsidnWXyOPj2MozRnZ2dnUVZ_j6dnZ2d@netspace.net.au...
>>I always used these for help on Access, Word etc.
>>
>> Please help
>> P
>
>
> Can't find what you are looking for? Links are available below for
> Newsgroups Deleted June 1, 2010
> http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/list/en-us/default.aspx
>
> Microsoft Responds to the Evolution of Communities
> http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/default.mspx
>
> By October, the MS news server will cease to exist. Other news servers
> will continue to carry the newsgroups. How long, no one knows.
>
> If you subscribed to a server such as Eternal-September, you will find
> your lost groups. That said, there will be less people asking and
> answering posts as time goes on. I am posting now in the new Microsoft
> Answers forums as well as the Usenet groups.
>
> Microsoft Answers home page.
> http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/categories\
>
> Microsoft Answers - First Time Users
> http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/default.aspx
> --
> Bruce Hagen
> MS-MVP [Mail]
> Imperial Beach, CA
>


And the forums absolutely SUCK even with the Answers NNTP and the Forum NNTP
bridges working to be able to "mimic" a newsgroup (you can see the posts and
all follow-ups just like a newsgroup. But boy is it ever slow.
 
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milt

Flightless Bird
On 6/11/2010 9:41 PM, LVTravel wrote:

> And the forums absolutely SUCK even with the Answers NNTP and the Forum
> NNTP bridges working to be able to "mimic" a newsgroup (you can see the
> posts and all follow-ups just like a newsgroup. But boy is it ever slow.

Then of course the amounts of garbage that get posted there. I mean
nothing better then 20 posts with the title of "Don't work plz
HELP!!!!!!!!!!" along with 20-30 posts all with the same problem since
no one could be bothered to read other posts before making theirs! Of
course, which such non-descript topics, how would anyone know that
problem was the same as theirs?
 
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LVTravel

Flightless Bird
"milt" <theatre_nospam_guy@miltsweb.com> wrote in message
news:hv07ag$i08$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> On 6/11/2010 9:41 PM, LVTravel wrote:
>
>> And the forums absolutely SUCK even with the Answers NNTP and the Forum
>> NNTP bridges working to be able to "mimic" a newsgroup (you can see the
>> posts and all follow-ups just like a newsgroup. But boy is it ever slow.
>
> Then of course the amounts of garbage that get posted there. I mean
> nothing better then 20 posts with the title of "Don't work plz
> HELP!!!!!!!!!!" along with 20-30 posts all with the same problem since no
> one could be bothered to read other posts before making theirs! Of course,
> which such non-descript topics, how would anyone know that problem was the
> same as theirs?

But in all fairness, the posts on Usenet were and are just as bad.
 
G

Gordon

Flightless Bird
"LVTravel" <none@nothere.com> wrote in message
news:hv0a5a$uh3$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>
>
> "milt" <theatre_nospam_guy@miltsweb.com> wrote in message
> news:hv07ag$i08$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>> On 6/11/2010 9:41 PM, LVTravel wrote:
>>
>>> And the forums absolutely SUCK even with the Answers NNTP and the Forum
>>> NNTP bridges working to be able to "mimic" a newsgroup (you can see the
>>> posts and all follow-ups just like a newsgroup. But boy is it ever slow.
>>
>> Then of course the amounts of garbage that get posted there. I mean
>> nothing better then 20 posts with the title of "Don't work plz
>> HELP!!!!!!!!!!" along with 20-30 posts all with the same problem since no
>> one could be bothered to read other posts before making theirs! Of
>> course, which such non-descript topics, how would anyone know that
>> problem was the same as theirs?
>
> But in all fairness, the posts on Usenet were and are just as bad.

And at least we are being spared the replies to three year-old posts from
EggHeadCafe....
 
K

Ken Blake

Flightless Bird
On Sat, 12 Jun 2010 11:46:50 -0400, "LVTravel" <none@nothere.com>
wrote:


> "milt" <theatre_nospam_guy@miltsweb.com> wrote in message
> news:hv07ag$i08$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> > On 6/11/2010 9:41 PM, LVTravel wrote:
> >
> >> And the forums absolutely SUCK even with the Answers NNTP and the Forum
> >> NNTP bridges working to be able to "mimic" a newsgroup (you can see the
> >> posts and all follow-ups just like a newsgroup. But boy is it ever slow.
> >
> > Then of course the amounts of garbage that get posted there. I mean
> > nothing better then 20 posts with the title of "Don't work plz
> > HELP!!!!!!!!!!" along with 20-30 posts all with the same problem since no
> > one could be bothered to read other posts before making theirs! Of course,
> > which such non-descript topics, how would anyone know that problem was the
> > same as theirs?
>
> But in all fairness, the posts on Usenet were and are just as bad.



I don't agree. Sure, there are lots of bad posts on Usenet. But there
are lots *more* bad ones on the forums.


Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003
 
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Peter Foldes

Flightless Bird
Amen

--
Peter

Please Reply to Newsgroup for the benefit of others
Requests for assistance by email can not and will not be acknowledged.
http://www.microsoft.com/protect

"Ken Blake" <kblake@this.is.invalid.com> wrote in message
news:9sh716hc96jafrmeae8fbmouimrlcp3nh1@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 12 Jun 2010 11:46:50 -0400, "LVTravel" <none@nothere.com>
> wrote:
>
>
 
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milt

Flightless Bird
On 6/12/2010 12:45 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Jun 2010 11:46:50 -0400, "LVTravel"<none@nothere.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>> "milt"<theatre_nospam_guy@miltsweb.com> wrote in message
>> news:hv07ag$i08$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> On 6/11/2010 9:41 PM, LVTravel wrote:
>>>
>>>> And the forums absolutely SUCK even with the Answers NNTP and the Forum
>>>> NNTP bridges working to be able to "mimic" a newsgroup (you can see the
>>>> posts and all follow-ups just like a newsgroup. But boy is it ever slow.
>>>
>>> Then of course the amounts of garbage that get posted there. I mean
>>> nothing better then 20 posts with the title of "Don't work plz
>>> HELP!!!!!!!!!!" along with 20-30 posts all with the same problem since no
>>> one could be bothered to read other posts before making theirs! Of course,
>>> which such non-descript topics, how would anyone know that problem was the
>>> same as theirs?
>>
>> But in all fairness, the posts on Usenet were and are just as bad.
>
>
>
> I don't agree. Sure, there are lots of bad posts on Usenet. But there
> are lots *more* bad ones on the forums.
>

Tons more bad ones. Sure, the newsgroup has their trolls but those are
easy to kill file out. Also, there isn't hundereds and hundreds of new
posts on the newsgroup each day with most of them just being poorly
written posts. I find trying to slog through all the garbage to find
nuggets much worse on their wonderful forums then on the newsgroups.
 
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LVTravel

Flightless Bird
"Ken Blake" <kblake@this.is.invalid.com> wrote in message
news:9sh716hc96jafrmeae8fbmouimrlcp3nh1@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 12 Jun 2010 11:46:50 -0400, "LVTravel" <none@nothere.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>> "milt" <theatre_nospam_guy@miltsweb.com> wrote in message
>> news:hv07ag$i08$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>> > On 6/11/2010 9:41 PM, LVTravel wrote:
>> >
>> >> And the forums absolutely SUCK even with the Answers NNTP and the
>> >> Forum
>> >> NNTP bridges working to be able to "mimic" a newsgroup (you can see
>> >> the
>> >> posts and all follow-ups just like a newsgroup. But boy is it ever
>> >> slow.
>> >
>> > Then of course the amounts of garbage that get posted there. I mean
>> > nothing better then 20 posts with the title of "Don't work plz
>> > HELP!!!!!!!!!!" along with 20-30 posts all with the same problem since
>> > no
>> > one could be bothered to read other posts before making theirs! Of
>> > course,
>> > which such non-descript topics, how would anyone know that problem was
>> > the
>> > same as theirs?
>>
>> But in all fairness, the posts on Usenet were and are just as bad.
>
>
>
> I don't agree. Sure, there are lots of bad posts on Usenet. But there
> are lots *more* bad ones on the forums.
>
>
> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003


You know Ken, the more I am on the forums the more I am agreeing with you.
Tonight I am seeing a lot of classic ones.
 
K

Ken Blake

Flightless Bird
On Sat, 12 Jun 2010 23:16:53 -0400, "LVTravel" <none@nothere.com>
wrote:


> "Ken Blake" <kblake@this.is.invalid.com> wrote in message
> news:9sh716hc96jafrmeae8fbmouimrlcp3nh1@4ax.com...
> > On Sat, 12 Jun 2010 11:46:50 -0400, "LVTravel" <none@nothere.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >> "milt" <theatre_nospam_guy@miltsweb.com> wrote in message
> >> news:hv07ag$i08$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> >> > On 6/11/2010 9:41 PM, LVTravel wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> And the forums absolutely SUCK even with the Answers NNTP and the
> >> >> Forum
> >> >> NNTP bridges working to be able to "mimic" a newsgroup (you can see
> >> >> the
> >> >> posts and all follow-ups just like a newsgroup. But boy is it ever
> >> >> slow.
> >> >
> >> > Then of course the amounts of garbage that get posted there. I mean
> >> > nothing better then 20 posts with the title of "Don't work plz
> >> > HELP!!!!!!!!!!" along with 20-30 posts all with the same problem since
> >> > no
> >> > one could be bothered to read other posts before making theirs! Of
> >> > course,
> >> > which such non-descript topics, how would anyone know that problem was
> >> > the
> >> > same as theirs?
> >>
> >> But in all fairness, the posts on Usenet were and are just as bad.
> >
> >
> >
> > I don't agree. Sure, there are lots of bad posts on Usenet. But there
> > are lots *more* bad ones on the forums.
> >
> >
> > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003
>
>
> You know Ken, the more I am on the forums the more I am agreeing with you.
> Tonight I am seeing a lot of classic ones.


Thanks.

Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003
 
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Tim Slattery

Flightless Bird
"LVTravel" <none@nothere.com> wrote:

>And the forums absolutely SUCK even with the Answers NNTP and the Forum NNTP
>bridges working to be able to "mimic" a newsgroup (you can see the posts and
>all follow-ups just like a newsgroup. But boy is it ever slow.

You should be aware that there are alternatives to the Microsoft
bridges. MVP Jochen Kalmbach developed an NNTP bridge that handles
both sets of forums with a single application:


http://blog.kalmbach-software.de/2010/05/26/ann-community-forums-nntp-bridge/
http://communitybridge.codeplex.com/

I've seen lots of favorable comments about this.

Then there's another one by Hector Santos. Here's its announcement:

<QUOTE>
SSI is please announce wcLEX - Wildcat! Live Exchange!, a free NNTP
Proxy Server for the Microsoft Web-based Mail Support Forums.

With wcLEX, Microsoft Users and Developers can continue to enjoy using
their News Reader for accessing the new mail groups.

You can download wcLEX 1.0a pre-release version from here:

http://opensite.winserver.com/wclex/wclex-1-0a-setup.msi
http://opensite.winserver.com/wclex/wclex-1-0a-setup.zip

Please use this support newsgroup

news://opensite.winserver.com

to report any issues or to make suggestions.
</QUOTE>

Of course, neither of these packages can do anything about the quality
of the posts on the forums!

--
Tim Slattery
Slattery_T@bls.gov
http://members.cox.net/slatteryt
 
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milt

Flightless Bird
On 6/14/2010 8:54 AM, Tim Slattery wrote:
> "LVTravel"<none@nothere.com> wrote:
>
>> And the forums absolutely SUCK even with the Answers NNTP and the Forum NNTP
>> bridges working to be able to "mimic" a newsgroup (you can see the posts and
>> all follow-ups just like a newsgroup. But boy is it ever slow.
>
> You should be aware that there are alternatives to the Microsoft
> bridges. MVP Jochen Kalmbach developed an NNTP bridge that handles
> both sets of forums with a single application:
>
>
> http://blog.kalmbach-software.de/2010/05/26/ann-community-forums-nntp-bridge/
> http://communitybridge.codeplex.com/
>
> I've seen lots of favorable comments about this.
>
> Then there's another one by Hector Santos. Here's its announcement:
>

Gee, all these ways of connecting to the forums with NNTP should be a
bit of a hint that people prefer NNTP over the forums. Of course, once
again, its Microsoft doing what they want, when they want and how they
want to do it because they are Microsoft.
 
A

Alias

Flightless Bird
milt wrote:
> On 6/14/2010 8:54 AM, Tim Slattery wrote:
>> "LVTravel"<none@nothere.com> wrote:
>>
>>> And the forums absolutely SUCK even with the Answers NNTP and the
>>> Forum NNTP
>>> bridges working to be able to "mimic" a newsgroup (you can see the
>>> posts and
>>> all follow-ups just like a newsgroup. But boy is it ever slow.
>>
>> You should be aware that there are alternatives to the Microsoft
>> bridges. MVP Jochen Kalmbach developed an NNTP bridge that handles
>> both sets of forums with a single application:
>>
>>
>> http://blog.kalmbach-software.de/2010/05/26/ann-community-forums-nntp-bridge/
>>
>> http://communitybridge.codeplex.com/
>>
>> I've seen lots of favorable comments about this.
>>
>> Then there's another one by Hector Santos. Here's its announcement:
>>
>
> Gee, all these ways of connecting to the forums with NNTP should be a
> bit of a hint that people prefer NNTP over the forums. Of course, once
> again, its Microsoft doing what they want, when they want and how they
> want to do it because they are Microsoft.

How long did it take you to realize that Microsoft not only doesn't care
about its users but holds them in total disdain? I got the clue when
WGA/N was put on the Windows Updates site on April 25, 2006 and ranked
"critical".

--
Alias
 
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Tim Slattery

Flightless Bird
Alias <aka@maskedandanymous.org.invalido> wrote:


>How long did it take you to realize that Microsoft not only doesn't care
>about its users but holds them in total disdain? I got the clue when
>WGA/N was put on the Windows Updates site on April 25, 2006 and ranked
>"critical".

I have to agree with that one. It may have been critically important
for Microsoft, but definitely NOT for their users.

--
Tim Slattery
Slattery_T@bls.gov
http://members.cox.net/slatteryt
 
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Frank

Flightless Bird
On 6/14/2010 8:05 AM, Alias wrote:
> milt wrote:
>> On 6/14/2010 8:54 AM, Tim Slattery wrote:
>>> "LVTravel"<none@nothere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> And the forums absolutely SUCK even with the Answers NNTP and the
>>>> Forum NNTP
>>>> bridges working to be able to "mimic" a newsgroup (you can see the
>>>> posts and
>>>> all follow-ups just like a newsgroup. But boy is it ever slow.
>>>
>>> You should be aware that there are alternatives to the Microsoft
>>> bridges. MVP Jochen Kalmbach developed an NNTP bridge that handles
>>> both sets of forums with a single application:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://blog.kalmbach-software.de/2010/05/26/ann-community-forums-nntp-bridge/
>>>
>>>
>>> http://communitybridge.codeplex.com/
>>>
>>> I've seen lots of favorable comments about this.
>>>
>>> Then there's another one by Hector Santos. Here's its announcement:
>>>
>>
>> Gee, all these ways of connecting to the forums with NNTP should be a
>> bit of a hint that people prefer NNTP over the forums. Of course, once
>> again, its Microsoft doing what they want, when they want and how they
>> want to do it because they are Microsoft.
>
> How long did it take you to realize that Microsoft not only doesn't care
> about its users but holds them in total disdain? I got the clue when
> WGA/N was put on the Windows Updates site on April 25, 2006 and ranked
> "critical".
>
You "got a clue"?...Hahaha...Translation: alias was caught trying to
steal MS software. Since then, all he does is spread hatred and FUD
about MS.
 
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Peter Foldes

Flightless Bird
Alias

That was right on. I agree with that 100%. I hid the update and to this day it is
not installed.

--
Peter

Please Reply to Newsgroup for the benefit of others
Requests for assistance by email can not and will not be acknowledged.
http://www.microsoft.com/protect

"Alias" <aka@maskedandanymous.org.invalido> wrote in message
news:hv5gg4$sqr$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> milt wrote:
>> On 6/14/2010 8:54 AM, Tim Slattery wrote:
 
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Alias

Flightless Bird
On 06/14/2010 06:27 PM, Tim Slattery wrote:
> Alias<aka@maskedandanymous.org.invalido> wrote:
>
>
>> How long did it take you to realize that Microsoft not only doesn't care
>> about its users but holds them in total disdain? I got the clue when
>> WGA/N was put on the Windows Updates site on April 25, 2006 and ranked
>> "critical".
>
> I have to agree with that one. It may have been critically important
> for Microsoft, but definitely NOT for their users.
>

It was just another of Microsoft's sneaky moves. As I was running a
legit copy of XP and had some good luck, it didn't affect me but a lot
of people got false positives from WGA/N. Another sneaky thing they do
is make it so that Auto Updates are MUCH slower if you haven't got WGA/N
installed.

--
Alias
 
F

Frank

Flightless Bird
On 6/15/2010 2:38 AM, Alias wrote:
> On 06/14/2010 06:27 PM, Tim Slattery wrote:
>> Alias<aka@maskedandanymous.org.invalido> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> How long did it take you to realize that Microsoft not only doesn't care
>>> about its users but holds them in total disdain? I got the clue when
>>> WGA/N was put on the Windows Updates site on April 25, 2006 and ranked
>>> "critical".
>>
>> I have to agree with that one. It may have been critically important
>> for Microsoft, but definitely NOT for their users.
>>
>
> It was just another of Microsoft's sneaky moves. As I was running a
> legit copy of XP and had some good luck, it didn't affect me but a lot
> of people got false positives from WGA/N. Another sneaky thing they do
> is make it so that Auto Updates are MUCH slower if you haven't got WGA/N
> installed.
>
Translation: MS caught alias running pirated software and cut his little
nuts off.
Oops!
 
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