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When this newsgroup dies, where is everyone going?

Discussion in 'Windows XP' started by blacksmith@none.com, Jun 5, 2010.

  1. blacksmith@none.com

    blacksmith@none.com Flightless Bird

    When this newsgroup dies, where is everyone going?
    I have been seeing messasges on all these "microsoft.public"
    newsgroups that these groups will be vanishing soon. I'd like to ask
    this NOW, before this group is gone. Where is everyone on here moving
    to? I know there are many XP groups, some in the alt. category, and
    others.

    What's the most popular alternative newsgroup for XP? I'll subscribe
    to it now and start getting used to it. (Not that there's much to get
    used to, they all work the same, it's just getting familiar with the
    members and any other changes.)
     
  2. Erik Vastmasd

    Erik Vastmasd Flightless Bird

    I caught a glimpse of blacksmith@none.com on Sat, 05 Jun 2010 02:56:12
    -0500, writing in microsoft.public.windowsxp.general:

    >When this newsgroup dies, where is everyone going?
    >I have been seeing messasges on all these "microsoft.public"
    >newsgroups that these groups will be vanishing soon. I'd like to ask
    >this NOW, before this group is gone. Where is everyone on here moving
    >to? I know there are many XP groups, some in the alt. category, and
    >others.
    >
    >What's the most popular alternative newsgroup for XP? I'll subscribe
    >to it now and start getting used to it. (Not that there's much to get
    >used to, they all work the same, it's just getting familiar with the
    >members and any other changes.)


    I'm not using Microsoft to read these groups I'm using
    "News.Individual.NET" it is possible these groups could continue without
    Microsoft participation but I'm not going to hold my breath.

    I'm running Windows 7 and use "alt.windows7.general" where I'm sure XP
    questions would be welcome. I'm not up to date with other XP newsgroups.
    --

    Erik
     
  3. Pegasus [MVP]

    Pegasus [MVP] Flightless Bird

    <blacksmith@none.com> wrote in message
    news:tb0k061iri8eshsq8op3ogiv1dv8u5s31o@4ax.com...
    > When this newsgroup dies, where is everyone going?
    > I have been seeing messasges on all these "microsoft.public"
    > newsgroups that these groups will be vanishing soon. I'd like to ask
    > this NOW, before this group is gone. Where is everyone on here moving
    > to? I know there are many XP groups, some in the alt. category, and
    > others.
    >
    > What's the most popular alternative newsgroup for XP? I'll subscribe
    > to it now and start getting used to it. (Not that there's much to get
    > used to, they all work the same, it's just getting familiar with the
    > members and any other changes.)
    >


    Here you go:
    http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/category/windowsxp
     
  4. Greg Russell

    Greg Russell Flightless Bird

    In news:tb0k061iri8eshsq8op3ogiv1dv8u5s31o@4ax.com,
    blacksmith@none.com <blacksmith@none.com> typed:

    > When this newsgroup dies, where is everyone going?


    Micro$oft does not control the Usenet hierarchy, period.

    Just because M$ refuses to carry this (and other) Usenet newsgroups on its
    servers doesn't mean the newsgroup is dying, it just means that the idiots
    that believe anything M$ tells them will "follow" to a web-based "forum"
    over which M$ will exercise complete censorship.

    http://individual.net and many, many others will continue to support Usenet
    newsgroups as long as computers exist.
     
  5. Doug W.

    Doug W. Flightless Bird

    "Pegasus [MVP]" <news@microsoft.com> wrote in message
    news:eD9HBtJBLHA.1972@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
    >
    >
    > <blacksmith@none.com> wrote in message
    > news:tb0k061iri8eshsq8op3ogiv1dv8u5s31o@4ax.com...
    >> When this newsgroup dies, where is everyone going?
    >> I have been seeing messasges on all these "microsoft.public"
    >> newsgroups that these groups will be vanishing soon. I'd
    >> like to ask
    >> this NOW, before this group is gone. Where is everyone on
    >> here moving
    >> to? I know there are many XP groups, some in the alt.
    >> category, and
    >> others.
    >>
    >> What's the most popular alternative newsgroup for XP? I'll
    >> subscribe
    >> to it now and start getting used to it. (Not that there's
    >> much to get
    >> used to, they all work the same, it's just getting familiar
    >> with the
    >> members and any other changes.)
    >>

    >
    > Here you go:
    > http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/category/windowsxp

    =========
    If Microsoft thinks that these NEW forums are an improvement,
    then they are sadly mistaken. I think that they are LAME and it
    is more difficult to find answers.
    ==
     
  6. jwaters@nospam.com

    jwaters@nospam.com Flightless Bird

    On Sat, 5 Jun 2010 09:50:03 -0600, "Doug W." <stand@attention> wrote:

    >
    >"Pegasus [MVP]" <news@microsoft.com> wrote in message
    >news:eD9HBtJBLHA.1972@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
    >>
    >>
    >> <blacksmith@none.com> wrote in message
    >> news:tb0k061iri8eshsq8op3ogiv1dv8u5s31o@4ax.com...
    >>> When this newsgroup dies, where is everyone going?
    >>> I have been seeing messasges on all these "microsoft.public"
    >>> newsgroups that these groups will be vanishing soon. I'd
    >>> like to ask
    >>> this NOW, before this group is gone. Where is everyone on
    >>> here moving
    >>> to? I know there are many XP groups, some in the alt.
    >>> category, and
    >>> others.
    >>>
    >>> What's the most popular alternative newsgroup for XP? I'll
    >>> subscribe
    >>> to it now and start getting used to it. (Not that there's
    >>> much to get
    >>> used to, they all work the same, it's just getting familiar
    >>> with the
    >>> members and any other changes.)
    >>>

    >>
    >> Here you go:
    >> http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/category/windowsxp

    >=========
    >If Microsoft thinks that these NEW forums are an improvement,
    >then they are sadly mistaken. I think that they are LAME and it
    >is more difficult to find answers.
    >==


    It's just like those damn yahoo groups. I have been to them, even
    started a few of my own years ago. Yea they work, and there are some
    interesting groups, but I dont have all day to sit and pick thru them.
    Every message has to load separately, when I type a message the
    formatting gets all screwed up, and this dont include the hassle of
    typing in user name and password everytime I want to go to them. I'm
    on dialup, and it takes at least a minute or more to open each message
    just to read it. I can read all the latest posts on usenet in
    minutes, but on yahoo groups, it takes hours, and one cant search for
    topics either.

    I tried these MS groups, using my old laptop with Win98se. Firefox
    version 2 (last ver for 98), gave me a ton of error messages, and I
    see overlapping messages. IE gave me a completely blank page, except
    for the top of page graphic. But even if I use a newer system, how
    the hell can anyone find anything in there without spending hours or
    days doing it. NO THANKS !!!

    As far as MS not controlling usenet, I agree, but they DID kill
    hundreds of their no longer needed usenet groups awhile back. I'll
    admit there were a shitload of useless ones that got no traffic
    anyhow, so, no loss. But that proves they CAN kill the groups.
    Actually, I could care less. There are other newsgroups for every
    version of Windows. Why stick around here if these groups are going
    to get killed. I plan to look at the others soon.

    Web based forums of any kind are slow and clumbsy. I'll stick with
    usenet. Usenet is far superior and always will be, unless they come
    up with something that works in a similar manner, but is NOT web
    based.

    JW
     
  7. Mike S

    Mike S Flightless Bird

    On 6/5/2010 6:30 AM, Greg Russell wrote:
    > In news:tb0k061iri8eshsq8op3ogiv1dv8u5s31o@4ax.com,
    > blacksmith@none.com<blacksmith@none.com> typed:
    >
    >> When this newsgroup dies, where is everyone going?

    >
    > Micro$oft does not control the Usenet hierarchy, period.
    >
    > Just because M$ refuses to carry this (and other) Usenet newsgroups on its
    > servers doesn't mean the newsgroup is dying, it just means that the idiots
    > that believe anything M$ tells them will "follow" to a web-based "forum"
    > over which M$ will exercise complete censorship.
    >
    > http://individual.net and many, many others will continue to support Usenet
    > newsgroups as long as computers exist.


    From reading comments about this posted in
    microsoft.public.vb.general.discussion I believe eternal-september will
    continue to carry these groups. I'm using their server to read this
    group right now and it works great.

    http://www.newsgroupreviews.com/eternal-september.html

    - Free access to text groups
    - Text-only Usenet access
    - More than 60 peers
    - Read / write access
    - Formerly motzarella.org
    - Register free of charge

    Web site:
    - http://www.eternal-september.org/

    News server address:
    - news.eternal-september.org (port 119 NNTP, 563 NNTPS)
    - reader80.eternal-september.org (port 80)
    - reader443.eternal-september.org (port 443 NNTPS)

    Plan types:
    - text-only Usenet access (no binaries)
     
  8. Anthony Buckland

    Anthony Buckland Flightless Bird

    <blacksmith@none.com> wrote in message
    news:tb0k061iri8eshsq8op3ogiv1dv8u5s31o@4ax.com...
    > When this newsgroup dies, where is everyone going?
    > I have been seeing messasges on all these "microsoft.public"
    > newsgroups that these groups will be vanishing soon. I'd like to ask
    > this NOW, before this group is gone. Where is everyone on here moving
    > to? I know there are many XP groups, some in the alt. category, and
    > others.
    >
    > What's the most popular alternative newsgroup for XP? I'll subscribe
    > to it now and start getting used to it. (Not that there's much to get
    > used to, they all work the same, it's just getting familiar with the
    > members and any other changes.)


    I'm on news.giganews.com ( you're probably going
    to get a variety of answers).
     
  9. VanguardLH

    VanguardLH Flightless Bird

    blacksmith@none.com wrote:

    > When this newsgroup dies,


    This *newsgroup* is NOT dying. Microsoft is dropping the
    microsoft.public.* newsgroups and eventually they kill off their NNTP
    server. Microsoft is leaving Usenet. Microsoft is NOT Usenet. This
    newsgroup will continue to exist on the rest of the worldwide mesh
    network of NNTP servers (aka Usenet).

    > where is everyone going?


    Same place I am now ... on a DIFFERENT newsgroups server over which
    Microsoft has no control.

    > I have been seeing messasges on all these "microsoft.public"
    > newsgroups that these groups will be vanishing soon.


    Microsoft can only control what is carried on their own NNTP server and
    nowhere else.

    > I'd like to ask this NOW, before this group is gone.


    This newsgroup will continue to exist at Google Groups, Giganews,
    Albasani, Eternal-September, and everywhere else that doesn't use
    Microsoft's leaving as an excuse to drop those newsgroups.

    > Where is everyone on here moving to?


    The same place where all Usenetizens have been for decades and long
    before Microsoft decided to usurp Usenet back in 2006.

    > I know there are many XP groups, some in the alt. category, and
    > others.


    But not on Microsoft's NNTP server which carries only the
    microsoft.public.* newsgroups. Other NSPs (NNTP service providers)
    carry the non-Microsoft and Microsoft newsgroups.

    What is Usenet:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newsgroups
    http://www.masonicinfo.com/newsgroups.htm
    http://www.mcfedries.com/Ramblings/usenet-primer.asp

    > What's the most popular alternative newsgroup for XP? I'll subscribe
    > to it now and start getting used to it. (Not that there's much to
    > get used to, they all work the same, it's just getting familiar with
    > the members and any other changes.)


    Albasani and Eternal-September are free NSPs. As such, they only carry
    the text newsgroups (but then so did Microsoft's NNTP server for the
    microsoft.public.* newsgroups). individual.net is cheap at $16USD/yr
    (and also only carries text newsgroups). If you want binary newsgroups,
    you'll have to look at paid NSPs, like Giganews, although you might get
    a cheaper subscription with NSPs that charge for blocks of bandwidth
    (ask over in the alt.free.newsservers group).
     
  10. No Mo

    No Mo Flightless Bird

    Probably to McDonald's for a burger.

    <blacksmith@none.com> wrote in message
    news:tb0k061iri8eshsq8op3ogiv1dv8u5s31o@4ax.com...
    : When this newsgroup dies, where is everyone going?
    : I have been seeing messasges on all these "microsoft.public"
    : newsgroups that these groups will be vanishing soon. I'd like to ask
    : this NOW, before this group is gone. Where is everyone on here moving
    : to? I know there are many XP groups, some in the alt. category, and
    : others.
    :
    : What's the most popular alternative newsgroup for XP? I'll subscribe
    : to it now and start getting used to it. (Not that there's much to get
    : used to, they all work the same, it's just getting familiar with the
    : members and any other changes.)
    :
     
  11. Mark Blain

    Mark Blain Flightless Bird

    blacksmith@none.com wrote in news:tb0k061iri8eshsq8op3ogiv1dv8u5s31o@
    4ax.com:

    > When this newsgroup dies, where is everyone going?
    > I have been seeing messasges on all these "microsoft.public"
    > newsgroups that these groups will be vanishing soon. I'd like to ask
    > this NOW, before this group is gone. Where is everyone on here moving
    > to? I know there are many XP groups, some in the alt. category, and
    > others.
    >
    > What's the most popular alternative newsgroup for XP? I'll subscribe
    > to it now and start getting used to it. (Not that there's much to get
    > used to, they all work the same, it's just getting familiar with the
    > members and any other changes.)


    The earlier alternative to microsoft.public.* newsgroups was the
    comp.os.ms-windows.* usenet newsgroups, but no one seems interested in
    reviving or expanding those.

    http://groups.google.com/groups/dir?sel=gtype=0,usenet=comp.os.ms-
    windows%2C&
     
  12. Tim Meddick

    Tim Meddick Flightless Bird

    I advocate these groups :

    "alt.windows-xp" and "alt.msdos.batch" on server "nntp.aioe.org"

    ....and there are hundreds more groups on that server.

    (For those using Outlook Express as their newsreader client, you will need
    to know the server on which the newsgroup resides. i.e. this one is on
    "msnews.microsoft.com")

    So goodbye "msnews.microsoft.com"......

    ==

    Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :)




    <blacksmith@none.com> wrote in message
    news:tb0k061iri8eshsq8op3ogiv1dv8u5s31o@4ax.com...
    > When this newsgroup dies, where is everyone going?
    > I have been seeing messasges on all these "microsoft.public"
    > newsgroups that these groups will be vanishing soon. I'd like to ask
    > this NOW, before this group is gone. Where is everyone on here moving
    > to? I know there are many XP groups, some in the alt. category, and
    > others.
    >
    > What's the most popular alternative newsgroup for XP? I'll subscribe
    > to it now and start getting used to it. (Not that there's much to get
    > used to, they all work the same, it's just getting familiar with the
    > members and any other changes.)
    >
     
  13. kraut

    kraut Flightless Bird

    I use free news server news.eternal-september.org


    >I advocate these groups :
    >
    >"alt.windows-xp" and "alt.msdos.batch" on server "nntp.aioe.org"
    >
    >...and there are hundreds more groups on that server.
    >
    >(For those using Outlook Express as their newsreader client, you will need
    >to know the server on which the newsgroup resides. i.e. this one is on
    >"msnews.microsoft.com")
    >
    >So goodbye "msnews.microsoft.com"......
    >
    >> When this newsgroup dies, where is everyone going?
    >> I have been seeing messasges on all these "microsoft.public"
    >> newsgroups that these groups will be vanishing soon. I'd like to ask
    >> this NOW, before this group is gone. Where is everyone on here moving
    >> to? I know there are many XP groups, some in the alt. category, and
    >> others.
    >>
    >> What's the most popular alternative newsgroup for XP? I'll subscribe
    >> to it now and start getting used to it. (Not that there's much to get
    >> used to, they all work the same, it's just getting familiar with the
    >> members and any other changes.)
    >>
     
  14. Eddie

    Eddie Flightless Bird

    kraut wrote:
    >
    > I use free news server news.eternal-september.org
    >
    >
    >> I advocate these groups :
    >>
    >> "alt.windows-xp" and "alt.msdos.batch" on server "nntp.aioe.org"
    >>
    >> ...and there are hundreds more groups on that server.
    >>
    >> (For those using Outlook Express as their newsreader client, you will need
    >> to know the server on which the newsgroup resides. i.e. this one is on
    >> "msnews.microsoft.com")
    >>
    >> So goodbye "msnews.microsoft.com"......
    >>
    >>> When this newsgroup dies, where is everyone going?
    >>> I have been seeing messasges on all these "microsoft.public"
    >>> newsgroups that these groups will be vanishing soon. I'd like to ask
    >>> this NOW, before this group is gone. Where is everyone on here moving
    >>> to? I know there are many XP groups, some in the alt. category, and
    >>> others.
    >>>
    >>> What's the most popular alternative newsgroup for XP? I'll subscribe
    >>> to it now and start getting used to it. (Not that there's much to get
    >>> used to, they all work the same, it's just getting familiar with the
    >>> members and any other changes.)
    >>>

    >



    I can just use the server that my i.s.p supplies;; it has nearly 50,000
    groups, binaries too, and it definately carries the alt. groups. Doesnt
    anyones i.s.p carry groups in america etc?

    Ed
     
  15. Smirnoff

    Smirnoff Flightless Bird

    "Eddie" <albert@greenacres.far> wrote in message
    news:#9im2JtCLHA.1072@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
    > kraut wrote:
    >>
    >> I use free news server news.eternal-september.org
    >>
    >>
    >>> I advocate these groups :
    >>>
    >>> "alt.windows-xp" and "alt.msdos.batch" on server "nntp.aioe.org"
    >>>
    >>> ...and there are hundreds more groups on that server.
    >>>
    >>> (For those using Outlook Express as their newsreader client, you will
    >>> need to know the server on which the newsgroup resides. i.e. this one is
    >>> on "msnews.microsoft.com")
    >>>
    >>> So goodbye "msnews.microsoft.com"......
    >>>
    >>>> When this newsgroup dies, where is everyone going?
    >>>> I have been seeing messasges on all these "microsoft.public"
    >>>> newsgroups that these groups will be vanishing soon. I'd like to ask
    >>>> this NOW, before this group is gone. Where is everyone on here moving
    >>>> to? I know there are many XP groups, some in the alt. category, and
    >>>> others.
    >>>>
    >>>> What's the most popular alternative newsgroup for XP? I'll subscribe
    >>>> to it now and start getting used to it. (Not that there's much to get
    >>>> used to, they all work the same, it's just getting familiar with the
    >>>> members and any other changes.)
    >>>>

    >>

    >
    >
    > I can just use the server that my i.s.p supplies;; it has nearly 50,000
    > groups, binaries too, and it definately carries the alt. groups. Doesnt
    > anyones i.s.p carry groups in america etc?
    >
    > Ed



    Interesting point.

    I've just checked my ISP provider's (BT) Newsgroups and all the current
    Microsoft NGs I subscribe to are listed:

    microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general
    microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop
    microsoft.public.windowsupdate
    microsoft.public.windowsxp.general

    How long will BT keep them though?

    Will people gradually stop posting to them and use the forums?
     
  16. Anthony Buckland

    Anthony Buckland Flightless Bird

    The news of the death of this group has been somewhat exaggerated/
     

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