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What maker does STURDY power jacks?

Discussion in 'Notebooks' started by Pawlly Phonic, Feb 26, 2010.

  1. Pawlly Phonic

    Pawlly Phonic Flightless Bird

    Over the years this has been the main PIA with laptops for me. In
    choosing a new laptop it would be the main consideration, if there
    were a way to tell.

    Is there a laptop manufacturer know for well-made sturdy power jacks
    that don't crap out once a year no matter how gently you treat them?

    Thanks,

    Paula
     
  2. the wharf rat

    the wharf rat Flightless Bird

    In article <47de62ce-318f-47eb-b73c-a724848dcaa3@u19g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
    Pawlly Phonic <pawllyphonic@gmail.com> wrote:
    >
    >Is there a laptop manufacturer know for well-made sturdy power jacks
    >that don't crap out once a year no matter how gently you treat them?
    >


    lenovo.

    Lenovo jacks are a seperate unit attached to the case. Even if they
    do break it's an easy fix.
     
  3. Pawlly Phonic

    Pawlly Phonic Flightless Bird

    On Feb 26, 5:30 pm, w...@panix.com (the wharf rat) wrote:
    > In article <47de62ce-318f-47eb-b73c-a724848dc...@u19g2000prh.googlegroups..com>,
    > Pawlly Phonic  <pawllypho...@gmail.com> wrote:
    >
    >
    >
    > >Is there a laptop manufacturer know for well-made sturdy power jacks
    > >that don't crap out once a year no matter how gently you treat them?

    >
    >         lenovo.
    >
    >         Lenovo jacks are a seperate unit attached to the case.  Even if they
    > do break it's an easy fix.


    Thank you VERY much. Lenovo shopping I go.

    Paula
     
  4. Bob Villa

    Bob Villa Flightless Bird

    On Feb 26, 6:00 pm, Pawlly Phonic <pawllypho...@gmail.com> wrote:
    > Over the years this has been the main PIA with laptops for me.  In
    > choosing a new laptop it would be the main consideration, if there
    > were a way to tell.
    >
    > Is there a laptop manufacturer know for well-made sturdy power jacks
    > that don't crap out once a year no matter how gently you treat them?
    >
    > Thanks,
    >
    > Paula


    Dells have improved also...newer are hex and 2-contact. If something
    breaks it should be the plug and not the socket.
     
  5. Barry Watzman

    Barry Watzman Flightless Bird

    Toshiba has been doing this also since about 2003 (the power jacks are
    no longer on the motherboard; they attach to the case and have a short
    (4" to 8") cord to the motherboard.


    the wharf rat wrote:
    > In article <47de62ce-318f-47eb-b73c-a724848dcaa3@u19g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
    > Pawlly Phonic <pawllyphonic@gmail.com> wrote:
    >> Is there a laptop manufacturer know for well-made sturdy power jacks
    >> that don't crap out once a year no matter how gently you treat them?
    >>

    >
    > lenovo.
    >
    > Lenovo jacks are a seperate unit attached to the case. Even if they
    > do break it's an easy fix.
    >
    >
     
  6. Mike Blake-Knox

    Mike Blake-Knox Flightless Bird

    In article <47de62ce-318f-47eb-b73c-
    a724848dcaa3@u19g2000prh.googlegroups.com>, Pawlly Phonic wrote:
    > Is there a laptop manufacturer know for well-made sturdy power jacks


    How about the magnetically attached powering on the MacBooks?

    Mike
     
  7. BillW50

    BillW50 Flightless Bird

    In
    news:47de62ce-318f-47eb-b73c-a724848dcaa3@u19g2000prh.googlegroups.com,
    Pawlly Phonic typed on Fri, 26 Feb 2010 16:00:05 -0800 (PST):
    > Over the years this has been the main PIA with laptops for me. In
    > choosing a new laptop it would be the main consideration, if there
    > were a way to tell.
    >
    > Is there a laptop manufacturer know for well-made sturdy power jacks
    > that don't crap out once a year no matter how gently you treat them?
    >
    > Thanks,
    >
    > Paula


    Hi Paula! Well my first laptop was back in '84 and I have had about 20
    laptops since then and none of mine ever had a problem with the power
    jack. Although I repair a lot of them that has had problems. I am very
    careful with them though, maybe that is why I don't seem to have a
    problem with them.

    On my Gateway MX6124 and my M465e laptops, I cut insulin syringes and
    used them as extended feet for the rear. So it tilts the rear of the
    laptop up and really improves airflow. They fit right into the recessed
    screw holes nice and tight. And I looped the power cable and tied it
    with a plastic tie. And one of the feet I made slips right into the
    loop. So if the cord ever gets pulled, it won't put any strain on the
    jack or plug. You could lift the laptop by the cord alone and no
    problems.

    I bought that Gateway 465e used and the power jack was dead. I was going
    to repair it, but I found that docking stations are cheap for them. I
    gambled and it works fine getting power from the docking station. And
    for anybody who goes through power jacks a lot, I would highly recommend
    getting a laptop with a docking station. Or to make feet like I did and
    loop the cord threw it. Although you need a laptop with recessed screw
    holes for this to work.

    --
    Bill
    Gateway MX6124 ('06 era) 1 of 3 - Windows XP SP2
     
  8. Pawlly Phonic

    Pawlly Phonic Flightless Bird

    Many thanks for all the suggestions. I've tried various schemes to
    put zero stress on the jack, including (currently) never unplugging
    it, just unplugging the transformer from the AC cord. But ultimately
    these things are supposed to be portable.

    But if I might prevail on you for one more bit of wisdom, do you know
    if these improvements (Lenovo, Dell, Toshiba) include their Netbooks
    as well?
     
  9. BillW50

    BillW50 Flightless Bird

    In
    news:a8222792-c267-4543-87e3-989227ec1b7e@x1g2000prb.googlegroups.com,
    Pawlly Phonic typed on Sun, 28 Feb 2010 11:36:15 -0800 (PST):
    > Many thanks for all the suggestions. I've tried various schemes to
    > put zero stress on the jack, including (currently) never unplugging
    > it, just unplugging the transformer from the AC cord. But ultimately
    > these things are supposed to be portable.
    >
    > But if I might prevail on you for one more bit of wisdom, do you know
    > if these improvements (Lenovo, Dell, Toshiba) include their Netbooks
    > as well?


    A laptop that accepts a docking station is probably the best way to go.
    For Dell, Lenovo, Gateway, etc. these are usually found in the business
    line of laptops. And you have the best of both worlds, it is like a
    desktop in one sense and like a laptop for portability in the other. As
    you press the release button and you are portable.

    --
    Bill
    Asus EEE PC 702G8 ~ 2GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC
    Windows XP SP2
     
  10. A Different Al

    A Different Al Flightless Bird

    I just posted a rant about this. If you look at the power cord where it
    plugs in to the laptop, see if it ends in a 2-inch long stiff
    crowbar-like plug. This stupid long lever assures that minor movements
    of the power cord are amplified into brutal stresses on the flimsy jack
    within -- deep within, where it's real hard to fix.

    If you see this computer-destroying type of cord, don't buy that
    manufacturer's machine. Make a point of telling the manager -why- you
    won't buy it -- because it's -designed- to fail. Some manufacturers are
    especially egregious about this (lookin' at -you,- HP/Compaq) and
    they'll only stop if lost sales force them to.

    As someone said above, Mac makes their cords with magnetic attachments
    so this doesn't happen.
     
  11. BillW50

    BillW50 Flightless Bird

    In news:A.Different.Al.49rlj5@no.email.invalid,
    A Different Al typed on Tue, 20 Apr 2010 20:24:21 -0500:
    > I just posted a rant about this. If you look at the power cord where
    > it plugs in to the laptop, see if it ends in a 2-inch long stiff
    > crowbar-like plug. This stupid long lever assures that minor movements
    > of the power cord are amplified into brutal stresses on the flimsy
    > jack within -- deep within, where it's real hard to fix.
    >
    > If you see this computer-destroying type of cord, don't buy that
    > manufacturer's machine. Make a point of telling the manager -why- you
    > won't buy it -- because it's -designed- to fail. Some manufacturers
    > are especially egregious about this (lookin' at -you,- HP/Compaq) and
    > they'll only stop if lost sales force them to.
    >
    > As someone said above, Mac makes their cords with magnetic attachments
    > so this doesn't happen.


    I have bought over 20 laptops since '84 and I have never had a jack fail
    on me yet. So forgive me, it is like I live in another universe or
    something. Although I have purchased used laptops that the jack have
    been damaged. So I have seen them, but I never caused one to fail.

    On Gateway M and MX models, they have deep recessed screw holes. And I
    cut insulin syringes in half and use two per laptop as rear feet to
    raise the rear of the laptop higher. This does three positive things:

    1) Lowers the laptop temperature by 10°F.

    2) Keeps the laptop from sucking up dust and keeps the inside very
    clean.

    3) And I loop the cord around one of the feet and I could lift the
    laptop up by the cord if I wanted too and it wouldn't damage the plug or
    jack one bit.

    Another thing I think of those whom have trouble with power jacks...
    just buy laptops with docking stations. I bought an used Gateway M465e
    on eBay that the jack was dead. Although this model also accepts a
    docking station. I just bought a docking station and it works great. No
    need for the power jack at all. I just saw a Gateway docking station go
    for 99¢ on eBay complete with the power supply. So they are often very
    inexpensive as well.

    A funny thing about these Gateway docking stations. As eBay is loaded
    with them. And most of them are missing the very nice and beefy 6.3 amp
    power supply. So I have a feeling many are buying them just for the
    power supply and then getting rid of the docking station which they have
    no use for.

    --
    Bill
    Asus EEE PC 701G4 ~ 2GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC
    Windows XP SP2 (quit Windows updates back in May 2009)
     
  12. ~misfit~

    ~misfit~ Flightless Bird

    Somewhere on teh intarwebs BillW50 wrote:
    > In news:A.Different.Al.49rlj5@no.email.invalid,
    > A Different Al typed on Tue, 20 Apr 2010 20:24:21 -0500:
    >> I just posted a rant about this. If you look at the power cord where
    >> it plugs in to the laptop, see if it ends in a 2-inch long stiff
    >> crowbar-like plug. This stupid long lever assures that minor
    >> movements of the power cord are amplified into brutal stresses on
    >> the flimsy jack within -- deep within, where it's real hard to fix.
    >>
    >> If you see this computer-destroying type of cord, don't buy that
    >> manufacturer's machine. Make a point of telling the manager -why- you
    >> won't buy it -- because it's -designed- to fail. Some manufacturers
    >> are especially egregious about this (lookin' at -you,- HP/Compaq) and
    >> they'll only stop if lost sales force them to.
    >>
    >> As someone said above, Mac makes their cords with magnetic
    >> attachments so this doesn't happen.

    >
    > I have bought over 20 laptops since '84 and I have never had a jack
    > fail on me yet. So forgive me, it is like I live in another universe
    > or something. Although I have purchased used laptops that the jack
    > have been damaged. So I have seen them, but I never caused one to
    > fail.
    > On Gateway M and MX models, they have deep recessed screw holes. And I
    > cut insulin syringes in half and use two per laptop as rear feet to
    > raise the rear of the laptop higher. This does three positive things:
    >
    > 1) Lowers the laptop temperature by 10°F.
    >
    > 2) Keeps the laptop from sucking up dust and keeps the inside very
    > clean.
    >
    > 3) And I loop the cord around one of the feet and I could lift the
    > laptop up by the cord if I wanted too and it wouldn't damage the plug
    > or jack one bit.
    >
    > Another thing I think of those whom have trouble with power jacks...
    > just buy laptops with docking stations. I bought an used Gateway M465e
    > on eBay that the jack was dead. Although this model also accepts a
    > docking station. I just bought a docking station and it works great.
    > No need for the power jack at all. I just saw a Gateway docking
    > station go for 99¢ on eBay complete with the power supply. So they
    > are often very inexpensive as well.
    >
    > A funny thing about these Gateway docking stations. As eBay is loaded
    > with them. And most of them are missing the very nice and beefy 6.3
    > amp power supply. So I have a feeling many are buying them just for
    > the power supply and then getting rid of the docking station which
    > they have no use for.


    All of the ThinkPads that I've dissassembled have the power jack on it's own
    wee board that is remote from the motherboard, connected internally by wires
    and a plug / socket on the mobo. If anyone was silly enough to damage the
    jack socket it's a very small and inexpensive item to replace. (I've also
    never damaged one and I don't use insulin syringes!)
    --
    Shaun.

    "When we dream.... that's just our brains defragmenting" G Jackson
     
  13. BillW50

    BillW50 Flightless Bird

    In news:hqr0lh$p0a$1@news.eternal-september.org,
    ~misfit~ typed on Fri, 23 Apr 2010 14:28:50 +1200:
    > All of the ThinkPads that I've dissassembled have the power jack on
    > it's own wee board that is remote from the motherboard, connected
    > internally by wires and a plug / socket on the mobo. If anyone was
    > silly enough to damage the jack socket it's a very small and
    > inexpensive item to replace. (I've also never damaged one and I don't
    > use insulin syringes!)


    As far as I am concern, they all should be built this way. Although the
    laptops which accepts a docking station doesn't seem to have a problem
    either. So I see this as a second option.

    And I only have been using insulin syringes since '08. They work very
    nicely. As it is easier to use the keyboard when the back is lifted
    higher. Keeps the laptop cooler. And you can even lay the laptop on a
    soft surface like a bed or pillow or something and the air flow still
    doesn't get blocked.

    You might find this review interesting. It was written from a ThinkPad
    user who reviewed a Gateway M460 (Much like my M465 and MX6124 laptops).
    He seemed to be impressed with Gateway. Even mentioned how nice the
    display was.

    http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=2354

    --
    Bill
    Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Windows XP SP3
     
  14. ~misfit~

    ~misfit~ Flightless Bird

    Somewhere on teh intarwebs BillW50 wrote:
    > In news:hqr0lh$p0a$1@news.eternal-september.org,
    > ~misfit~ typed on Fri, 23 Apr 2010 14:28:50 +1200:
    >> All of the ThinkPads that I've dissassembled have the power jack on
    >> it's own wee board that is remote from the motherboard, connected
    >> internally by wires and a plug / socket on the mobo. If anyone was
    >> silly enough to damage the jack socket it's a very small and
    >> inexpensive item to replace. (I've also never damaged one and I don't
    >> use insulin syringes!)

    >
    > As far as I am concern, they all should be built this way. Although
    > the laptops which accepts a docking station doesn't seem to have a
    > problem either. So I see this as a second option.


    I have docking stations for all of my ThinkPads although only my main
    machine is usually in one It gives me an extra four USB ports (with printer,
    mouse, and external drives left plugged in) as well as speakers and a
    connection to my 20" Dell UXGA IPS monitor if I feel like using a second
    display.

    > And I only have been using insulin syringes since '08. They work very
    > nicely. As it is easier to use the keyboard when the back is lifted
    > higher. Keeps the laptop cooler. And you can even lay the laptop on a
    > soft surface like a bed or pillow or something and the air flow still
    > doesn't get blocked.


    My T60 is also raised at the back slightly when it's in the dock.

    I'm currently using this one:
    http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkPad_Advanced_Mini_Dock

    But I also have both of these:
    http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkPad_Essential_Port_Replicator
    http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkPad_Advanced_Dock

    The last one includes a power supply but the 60mm fan is a bit noisy and the
    dock is *really* hard to dis-assemble (to fit a fan speed controller).
    Unlike for all of their notebooks, IBM/Lenovo don't supply disassembly
    instructions for the docks. I have read of people who have simply cut the
    power wire to the fan (you can see it through the back, but can't access it
    enough to solder extensions to fit an external fan controller, drat!) and
    they say that it doesn't over-heat but I'm not keen on that.

    I read of one report of a guy who *did* manage to get one apart, fit a
    controller and put it together again but he said it was a nightmare. I might
    take mine to a friend who does the impossible with electronics and see if he
    can cut the power wire to the fan and extend the ends out of the back so I
    can either put a resistor in-line or use a fan speed controller.

    > You might find this review interesting. It was written from a ThinkPad
    > user who reviewed a Gateway M460 (Much like my M465 and MX6124
    > laptops). He seemed to be impressed with Gateway. Even mentioned how
    > nice the display was.
    >
    > http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=2354


    That looks like quite a useful machine.

    I checked the site and see that they reviewed a T60 with very similar specs
    to mine:

    http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=2767

    Mine has the exact same screen, the main differences are that I have a newer
    T60 with a 64-bit capable Core 2 Duo (2.13GHz) rather than a Core Duo
    (actually I have two, one of each) and mine doesn't have the bulge on the
    side of the lid for the WWAN. Also I've upgraded to 3GB RAM [1] and a 320GB
    7200rpm HDD.

    It's a shame that the CPU benchmarks that he uses all appear to be
    single-threaded and don't actually convey how much more powerful a Core (2)
    Duo CPU is over the single-core (but still great) Pentium M CPUs he compares
    to.

    [1] The reviewer says that the T60 is "configurable up to 4GB" but in actual
    fact, although it will physically accept 2 x 2GB SODIMMs the Intel Calistoga
    i945GM/PM chipset is incapable of addressing more than 3GB, even if you have
    a 64-bit OS.
    --
    Cheers,
    Shaun.

    "When we dream.... that's just our brains defragmenting" G Jackson
     
  15. BillW50

    BillW50 Flightless Bird

    In news:hr824t$6iu$1@news.eternal-september.org,
    ~misfit~ typed on Wed, 28 Apr 2010 13:13:59 +1200:
    > Somewhere on teh intarwebs BillW50 wrote:
    >> In news:hqr0lh$p0a$1@news.eternal-september.org,
    >> ~misfit~ typed on Fri, 23 Apr 2010 14:28:50 +1200:
    >>> All of the ThinkPads that I've dissassembled have the power jack on
    >>> it's own wee board that is remote from the motherboard, connected
    >>> internally by wires and a plug / socket on the mobo. If anyone was
    >>> silly enough to damage the jack socket it's a very small and
    >>> inexpensive item to replace. (I've also never damaged one and I
    >>> don't use insulin syringes!)

    >>
    >> As far as I am concern, they all should be built this way. Although
    >> the laptops which accepts a docking station doesn't seem to have a
    >> problem either. So I see this as a second option.

    >
    > I have docking stations for all of my ThinkPads although only my main
    > machine is usually in one It gives me an extra four USB ports (with
    > printer, mouse, and external drives left plugged in) as well as
    > speakers and a connection to my 20" Dell UXGA IPS monitor if I feel
    > like using a second display.


    My docking stations also have four USB ports as well as my four
    Gateways. I also have a four port ExpressCard USB ports too. I used to
    keep everything plugged in (and I used 8 or more USB ports at the time)
    but some USB devices I rarely use. So nowadays I'll just plug the rarely
    used whenever I need them. So four USB ports are just fine most of the
    time.

    >> And I only have been using insulin syringes since '08. They work very
    >> nicely. As it is easier to use the keyboard when the back is lifted
    >> higher. Keeps the laptop cooler. And you can even lay the laptop on a
    >> soft surface like a bed or pillow or something and the air flow still
    >> doesn't get blocked.

    >
    > My T60 is also raised at the back slightly when it's in the dock.


    I can't use my homemade rear legs when it is on the docking station.
    Although my docking station does raise it up too in the rear which is
    very nice IMHO.

    > I'm currently using this one:
    > http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkPad_Advanced_Mini_Dock
    >
    > But I also have both of these:
    > http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkPad_Essential_Port_Replicator
    > http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkPad_Advanced_Dock


    Oh those are very nice. Here is what my two looks like. You can click on
    the pictures to see the larger view of it.

    http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-GATEWAY-RQ5-DOCKING-STATION-M460-M680-M465-E-NIB-/300355851795

    > The last one includes a power supply but the 60mm fan is a bit noisy
    > and the dock is *really* hard to dis-assemble (to fit a fan speed
    > controller). Unlike for all of their notebooks, IBM/Lenovo don't
    > supply disassembly instructions for the docks. I have read of people
    > who have simply cut the power wire to the fan (you can see it through
    > the back, but can't access it enough to solder extensions to fit an
    > external fan controller, drat!) and they say that it doesn't
    > over-heat but I'm not keen on that.
    > I read of one report of a guy who *did* manage to get one apart, fit a
    > controller and put it together again but he said it was a nightmare.
    > I might take mine to a friend who does the impossible with
    > electronics and see if he can cut the power wire to the fan and
    > extend the ends out of the back so I can either put a resistor
    > in-line or use a fan speed controller.


    I would be interested in hearing how your friend makes out with this.

    >> You might find this review interesting. It was written from a
    >> ThinkPad user who reviewed a Gateway M460 (Much like my M465 and
    >> MX6124 laptops). He seemed to be impressed with Gateway. Even
    >> mentioned how nice the display was.
    >>
    >> http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=2354

    >
    > That looks like quite a useful machine.
    >
    > I checked the site and see that they reviewed a T60 with very similar
    > specs to mine:
    >
    > http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=2767


    That is very similar to my Gateway M465e specs. Although the M465e and
    MX6124 laptops also have Firewire, S-Video, and SD card slot too. Sadly
    the SD slots can only read up to 1GB cards. And I have never read that
    anywhere. But all four of mine it are the same thing. Anything higher I
    use an USB card reader. And no drivers for the SD card reader for Vista
    or Windows 7 either. Just Windows XP and that is all.

    > Mine has the exact same screen, the main differences are that I have
    > a newer T60 with a 64-bit capable Core 2 Duo (2.13GHz) rather than a
    > Core Duo (actually I have two, one of each) and mine doesn't have the
    > bulge on the side of the lid for the WWAN. Also I've upgraded to 3GB
    > RAM [1] and a 320GB 7200rpm HDD.


    Most laptops don't come with enough RAM installed (well not until lately
    anyway). My MX6124 came with 512MB which IMHO is not enough for XP. So I
    use either 1GB or 2GB with them. 2GB is max for this model. My 465e can
    handle 4GB, but I only have 2GB in it right now.

    I upgraded the hard drives too. Although I tested the speed between
    4200rpm and my newer 5400rpm drives and there is no speed difference.
    Did you see anything greater with 7200rpm drives? This MX6124 I still
    have a 5400rpm 160GB HD. But the rest I removed the upgraded 160GB HD
    and threw back in the old 4200rpm 60GB original HD. I am thinking about
    doing the same to this last one too.

    > It's a shame that the CPU benchmarks that he uses all appear to be
    > single-threaded and don't actually convey how much more powerful a
    > Core (2) Duo CPU is over the single-core (but still great) Pentium M
    > CPUs he compares to.


    Yes that is weird isn't it? And one would think a dual would be twice as
    fast as a single core at the same speed. But from what I hear, it
    doesn't work that way. Using the same processor speed, the dual core is
    only about 20% faster from what I have read.

    My 465e came in both single and dual processor versions. Sadly mine is
    the single core version. I don't think the motherboards are the same and
    I would have to exchange out the board IMHO to upgrade it. And my M465e
    also came with differ CPU clock speeds and mine is a 1.7G (which I think
    was the slowest option). While the MX6124 are 1.5G. And frankly just
    like Barry has stated before, upgrading the CPU to a bit faster speed
    doesn't improve it much it all. And I don't see any big deal between a
    1.5G and a 1.7G single core CPU either. Even the M465e has a faster
    533MHz bus speed while the MX6124 only has a 400MHz bus speed. And I
    don't see any difference there either.

    > [1] The reviewer says that the T60 is "configurable up to 4GB" but in
    > actual fact, although it will physically accept 2 x 2GB SODIMMs the
    > Intel Calistoga i945GM/PM chipset is incapable of addressing more
    > than 3GB, even if you have a 64-bit OS.


    My M465e uses the same chipset. So I guess I would have the same problem
    as well with 4GB installed. <sigh>

    I saw one Gateway M460 for sale on eBay and the seller stated the case
    was magnesium. And I thought no way! And I started to look at mine and
    they sure do look like a magnesium finish. Although on my 465e, the
    finish is worn in one spot and I assure you it ain't magnesium. As it is
    clearly plastic with some sort of finish on top on it. Looks good, but
    it isn't real. lol

    --
    Bill
    Gateway MX6124 ('06 era) 1 of 3 - Windows XP SP2
     

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