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Vista/W-7 update

V

Valorie *~

Flightless Bird
I did a System Recovery on the Vista desktop and it now gets online with the
dial-up ISP. That was the only thing left to try.
We wont go through this with the Vista laptop since we mostly use it when
traveling. But we will bypass MS updates from now on.

As for W-7. My husband was on the phone for hours with our ISP and HP yet
again. W-7 still cannot detect the modem to get online but sees it when
queried. Our ISP is sending a CD that may or may not help. This happened
after a MS update. Two other PCs with XP were not affected.
 
M

Muad'Dib

Flightless Bird
On 10/16/2010 09:09 PM, Valorie *~ wrote:
> I did a System Recovery on the Vista desktop and it now gets online with
> the dial-up ISP. That was the only thing left to try.
> We wont go through this with the Vista laptop since we mostly use it
> when traveling. But we will bypass MS updates from now on.
>
> As for W-7. My husband was on the phone for hours with our ISP and HP
> yet again. W-7 still cannot detect the modem to get online but sees it
> when queried. Our ISP is sending a CD that may or may not help. This
> happened after a MS update. Two other PCs with XP were not affected.
>

One thing; Never, ever, let Winders updates do it's own driver updates.
If say, Nvidia has a new driver, then go to Nvidia's site, get the
driver, and install it. NEVER let Winders do ANY driver updates! ..EVER
They have a pathetic record of fowling their own operating system with
driver updates. ..Don't let anyone else tell you different. I personally
have suffered a complete OS crash over letting MS do it's own driver
update. I now NEVER, EVER, let MS Updates do a driver update. If I feel
I need say, a video driver update, I go the the video manufacturer's
site, download the driver and install it myself. Lord only knows why MS
STILL can't get it right, but let them do the driver install, and you
will have nothing but problems as a result, most likely. ..And as I have
been sorely burned, wind up, of course, reinstalling the OS over it.
(Black screen of death)

My God, how MS Os's SUCK! Really, one MUST consider trying out Linux! Go
to http://www.ubuntu.com/ download a copy of Ubuntu, burn it to a CD,
and boot it on your machine. ("Live CD") Try it out and see what you
think. It CAN'T catch a Winders virus, is WAY more secure and stable
than Winders, and well, just works. It does require just a bit of "Grey
matter" but not nearly as much as it used to. Give it a try, and see
what you think. I, personally, will NEVER use an MS OS as my MAIN stay,
well, unless they pull their heads outta their arse! Why risk security,
and reliability? ..Not a chance!

Can't make the change, or at least try it? Then SUFFER.. Only by trying
something different, will you be set FREE.

G'day
 
A

Alias

Flightless Bird
On 10/17/2010 11:15 AM, Muad'Dib wrote:
> On 10/16/2010 09:09 PM, Valorie *~ wrote:
>> I did a System Recovery on the Vista desktop and it now gets online with
>> the dial-up ISP. That was the only thing left to try.
>> We wont go through this with the Vista laptop since we mostly use it
>> when traveling. But we will bypass MS updates from now on.
>>
>> As for W-7. My husband was on the phone for hours with our ISP and HP
>> yet again. W-7 still cannot detect the modem to get online but sees it
>> when queried. Our ISP is sending a CD that may or may not help. This
>> happened after a MS update. Two other PCs with XP were not affected.
>>
>
> One thing; Never, ever, let Winders updates do it's own driver updates.
> If say, Nvidia has a new driver, then go to Nvidia's site, get the
> driver, and install it. NEVER let Winders do ANY driver updates! ..EVER
> They have a pathetic record of fowling their own operating system with
> driver updates. ..Don't let anyone else tell you different. I personally
> have suffered a complete OS crash over letting MS do it's own driver
> update. I now NEVER, EVER, let MS Updates do a driver update. If I feel
> I need say, a video driver update, I go the the video manufacturer's
> site, download the driver and install it myself. Lord only knows why MS
> STILL can't get it right, but let them do the driver install, and you
> will have nothing but problems as a result, most likely. ..And as I have
> been sorely burned, wind up, of course, reinstalling the OS over it.
> (Black screen of death)
>
> My God, how MS Os's SUCK! Really, one MUST consider trying out Linux! Go
> to http://www.ubuntu.com/ download a copy of Ubuntu, burn it to a CD,
> and boot it on your machine. ("Live CD") Try it out and see what you
> think. It CAN'T catch a Winders virus, is WAY more secure and stable
> than Winders, and well, just works. It does require just a bit of "Grey
> matter" but not nearly as much as it used to. Give it a try, and see
> what you think. I, personally, will NEVER use an MS OS as my MAIN stay,
> well, unless they pull their heads outta their arse! Why risk security,
> and reliability? ..Not a chance!
>
> Can't make the change, or at least try it? Then SUFFER.. Only by trying
> something different, will you be set FREE.
>
> G'day

It won't solve her modem problems. Win modems don't work with Ubuntu.

--
Alias
 
J

John Aldred

Flightless Bird
Muad'Dib wrote:


> One thing; Never, ever, let Winders updates do it's own driver updates.
> If say, Nvidia has a new driver, then go to Nvidia's site, get the
> driver, and install it. NEVER let Winders do ANY driver updates! ..EVER
> They have a pathetic record of fowling their own operating system with
> driver updates. ..Don't let anyone else tell you different. I personally
> have suffered a complete OS crash over letting MS do it's own driver
> update. I now NEVER, EVER, let MS Updates do a driver update. If I feel
> I need say, a video driver update, I go the the video manufacturer's
> site, download the driver and install it myself. Lord only knows why MS
> STILL can't get it right, but let them do the driver install, and you
> will have nothing but problems as a result, most likely. ..And as I have
> been sorely burned, wind up, of course, reinstalling the OS over it.
> (Black screen of death)

Speak as you find I guess.

In my case I've installed Vista on 2 machines, and Windows 7 on 3 machines
and never had a problem with letting Windows Update find and install all the
necessary drivers.

In fact with my old Hewlett-Packard Laserjet printer, I had no option but to
get a driver from WU as the HP website no longer supplies drivers for some
older printers.

--
John
 
A

Alex Clayton

Flightless Bird
"Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.com.invalids> wrote in message
news:i9efko$b2n$1@speranza.aioe.org...
> On 10/17/2010 11:15 AM, Muad'Dib wrote:

>> Can't make the change, or at least try it? Then SUFFER.. Only by trying
>> something different, will you be set FREE.
>>
>> G'day
>
> It won't solve her modem problems. Win modems don't work with Ubuntu.
>
> --
> Alias
>

I have not used dial up in years, but are joking here? I always thought the
Fax modem was just a modem and it did not matter what OS was on the machine?
Do they actually have different dial up modems for different OS's??
--
Hard work pays off in the future. Laziness pays off now.
 
A

Alex Clayton

Flightless Bird
"Valorie *~" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:4cba690e@news.x-privat.org...
> I did a System Recovery on the Vista desktop and it now gets online with
> the dial-up ISP. That was the only thing left to try.
> We wont go through this with the Vista laptop since we mostly use it when
> traveling. But we will bypass MS updates from now on.
>
> As for W-7. My husband was on the phone for hours with our ISP and HP yet
> again. W-7 still cannot detect the modem to get online but sees it when
> queried. Our ISP is sending a CD that may or may not help. This happened
> after a MS update. Two other PCs with XP were not affected.
>
>
>
>

Every now and then a MS update will screw things up. Some times minor stuff
other times major trouble. I long ago learned to keep auto updates turned
off. When they release a new one I watch the "tech news" for a few days to
see if anything pops up. If it does then I wait till they announce they
fixed it, then take the updates. I would not recommend just skipping the
updates.
I just typed into Yahoo "dial up modem will not work after Windows update"
and a lot of articles popped up. I would try this and do some reading, see
if someone has figured out what MS did, and how to fix it.
--
The older we get, the fewer things seem worth waiting in line for.
Will Rogers
 
N

Nil

Flightless Bird
On 18 Oct 2010, "Alex Clayton" <Alexx1403@Gmail.com> wrote in
alt.windows7.general:

> I have not used dial up in years, but are joking here? I always
> thought the Fax modem was just a modem and it did not matter what
> OS was on the machine? Do they actually have different dial up
> modems for different OS's??

Kinda. There were the cheap "Winmodems" which replaced most of the
device's internal logic in favor of a software emulation program that
only ran on Windows.
 
A

Alias

Flightless Bird
On 10/18/2010 05:59 PM, Alex Clayton wrote:
> "Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.com.invalids> wrote in message
> news:i9efko$b2n$1@speranza.aioe.org...
>> On 10/17/2010 11:15 AM, Muad'Dib wrote:
>
>>> Can't make the change, or at least try it? Then SUFFER.. Only by trying
>>> something different, will you be set FREE.
>>>
>>> G'day
>>
>> It won't solve her modem problems. Win modems don't work with Ubuntu.
>>
>> --
>> Alias
>>
>
> I have not used dial up in years, but are joking here? I always thought
> the Fax modem was just a modem and it did not matter what OS was on the
> machine? Do they actually have different dial up modems for different
> OS's??

Yep and the only ones I've found that worked with Linux are modems that
connect via a serial port.

--
Alias
 
A

Alias

Flightless Bird
On 10/18/2010 06:06 PM, Alex Clayton wrote:
> "Valorie *~" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
> news:4cba690e@news.x-privat.org...
>> I did a System Recovery on the Vista desktop and it now gets online
>> with the dial-up ISP. That was the only thing left to try.
>> We wont go through this with the Vista laptop since we mostly use it
>> when traveling. But we will bypass MS updates from now on.
>>
>> As for W-7. My husband was on the phone for hours with our ISP and HP
>> yet again. W-7 still cannot detect the modem to get online but sees it
>> when queried. Our ISP is sending a CD that may or may not help. This
>> happened after a MS update. Two other PCs with XP were not affected.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> Every now and then a MS update will screw things up. Some times minor
> stuff other times major trouble. I long ago learned to keep auto updates
> turned off. When they release a new one I watch the "tech news" for a
> few days to see if anything pops up. If it does then I wait till they
> announce they fixed it, then take the updates. I would not recommend
> just skipping the updates.
> I just typed into Yahoo "dial up modem will not work after Windows
> update" and a lot of articles popped up. I would try this and do some
> reading, see if someone has figured out what MS did, and how to fix it.

I have to say it but I have never had problems with Windows Updates or
Microsoft Updates. Never, and I've been using Windows since DOS. I was
pissed off when they claimed WGA/N was a "critical" update when, in
fact, it's spyware but, other than that, MS does a good job with
updates. I prefer Ubuntu/Mint updates because everything you've
installed from the repositories are updated from one place and one
doesn't have go round and update different programs like you have to do
in Windows.

Before installing Windows Updates, I do use Crap Cleaner to get rid of
temp files and, if needed, defrag the hard drive. With XP, I would set a
restore point (which I never had to use), although with Win7 MS has it
set it automatically before installing updates. I also disable my anti
virus before installing *anything*.

--
Alias
 
S

Seth

Flightless Bird
"Alex Clayton" <Alexx1403@Gmail.com> wrote in message
news:XYSdnTImuMNT8yHRnZ2dnUVZ_omdnZ2d@nventure.com...
> "Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.com.invalids> wrote in message
> news:i9efko$b2n$1@speranza.aioe.org...
>> On 10/17/2010 11:15 AM, Muad'Dib wrote:
>
>>> Can't make the change, or at least try it? Then SUFFER.. Only by trying
>>> something different, will you be set FREE.
>>
>> It won't solve her modem problems. Win modems don't work with Ubuntu.
>
> I have not used dial up in years, but are joking here? I always thought
> the Fax modem was just a modem and it did not matter what OS was on the
> machine? Do they actually have different dial up modems for different
> OS's??

Yeah, Win modems only work with Windows cause rather than putting an actual
(modem version of) a CPU on the device, they offload that work to the OS and
main CPU. That requires specialized drivers and a certain level of kernel
access that a *nix machine just won't allow for.

A modem not listed as a Win modem (either internal or external) will work
just fine.
 
J

John Aldred

Flightless Bird
Alias wrote:

[snip]
>> I have not used dial up in years, but are joking here? I always thought
>> the Fax modem was just a modem and it did not matter what OS was on the
>> machine? Do they actually have different dial up modems for different
>> OS's??
>
> Yep and the only ones I've found that worked with Linux are modems that
> connect via a serial port.

Used to be so, but no longer apparently.

http://www.zoom.com/products/dial_up_external_usb.html

http://uk.startech.com/product/USB56KEM2-External-V92-56K-USB-Fax-
Modem?tab=tchspcs

Above URL will be split due to line wrap I expect.

--
John
 
L

Lewis

Flightless Bird
In message <XYSdnTImuMNT8yHRnZ2dnUVZ_omdnZ2d@nventure.com>
Alex Clayton <Alexx1403@Gmail.com> wrote:
> "Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.com.invalids> wrote in message
> news:i9efko$b2n$1@speranza.aioe.org...
>> On 10/17/2010 11:15 AM, Muad'Dib wrote:

>>> Can't make the change, or at least try it? Then SUFFER.. Only by trying
>>> something different, will you be set FREE.
>>>
>>> G'day
>>
>> It won't solve her modem problems. Win modems don't work with Ubuntu.
>>
>> --
>> Alias
>>

> I have not used dial up in years, but are joking here?

Nope.

> I always thought the Fax modem was just a modem and it did not matter
> what OS was on the machine? Do they actually have different dial up
> modems for different OS's??

Manufacturers came up with the "winmodem" back in the 90's. It was not a
real modem, but rather it was the essential hardware of a modem, but
Windows had to do all the work. They only worked with Windows, were
marginally cheaper than a real modem, flaked out all the time, were a
massive pain in the ass to support (as I had to support them) and are a
dark chapter in the history of computers.

I bought a box of winmodems at a garage sale for $5 just so I could have
the pleasure of destroying them.

--
Gods don't like people not doing much work. People who aren't busy all
the time might start to think.
 
L

Lewis

Flightless Bird
In message <i9hsaa$5t5$1@speranza.aioe.org>
Alias <aka@maskedandanonymous.com.invalids> wrote:
> I have to say it but I have never had problems with Windows Updates or
> Microsoft Updates. Never, and I've been using Windows since DOS.

I just installed Win7 on my HTPC. Everything worked fine. I then let
win7 install all its critical updates, at which point the Ethernet would
drop and then reconnect every couple of minutes or so.

Went in and rolled back the driver that had somehow gotten updated and
the Ethernet was back to working again.

> Before installing Windows Updates, I do use Crap Cleaner to get rid of
> temp files and, if needed, defrag the hard drive. With XP, I would set a
> restore point (which I never had to use), although with Win7 MS has it
> set it automatically before installing updates. I also disable my anti
> virus before installing *anything*.

er....

NM, not even going there.

--
"I don't care if Bill Gates is the world's biggest philanthropist. The
pain he has inflicted on the world in the past 20 years through lousy
products easily outweighs any good he has done.... Apple is as arrogant
as Microsoft but at least its stuff works as advertised" -- Graem
Philipson
 
J

John Aldred

Flightless Bird
Alex Clayton wrote:

>
> Every now and then a MS update will screw things up. Some times minor
> stuff other times major trouble. I long ago learned to keep auto updates
> turned off. When they release a new one I watch the "tech news" for a few
> days to see if anything pops up. If it does then I wait till they announce
> they fixed it, then take the updates. I would not recommend just skipping
> the updates.
> I just typed into Yahoo "dial up modem will not work after Windows
> update"
> and a lot of articles popped up. I would try this and do some reading, see
> if someone has figured out what MS did, and how to fix it.

I tried a very similar search on Google, but came up with nothing of direct
relevance to this particular problem.

I've just entered your search terms into Yahoo and don't see anything
relevant there either. Perhaps I have missed something. Could you point me
to the particular article that you found please.

I am also interested in this problem as I use dial-up as a back-up to my
broadband. So far mine is still working.

--
John
 
A

Alias

Flightless Bird
On 10/18/2010 09:42 PM, Lewis wrote:
> In message<i9hsaa$5t5$1@speranza.aioe.org>
> Alias<aka@maskedandanonymous.com.invalids> wrote:
>> I have to say it but I have never had problems with Windows Updates or
>> Microsoft Updates. Never, and I've been using Windows since DOS.
>
> I just installed Win7 on my HTPC. Everything worked fine. I then let
> win7 install all its critical updates, at which point the Ethernet would
> drop and then reconnect every couple of minutes or so.
>
> Went in and rolled back the driver that had somehow gotten updated and
> the Ethernet was back to working again.

Which is why one should check the updates offered and remove the non
Windows/MS Office updates.

>
>> Before installing Windows Updates, I do use Crap Cleaner to get rid of
>> temp files and, if needed, defrag the hard drive. With XP, I would set a
>> restore point (which I never had to use), although with Win7 MS has it
>> set it automatically before installing updates. I also disable my anti
>> virus before installing *anything*.
>
> er....
>
> NM, not even going there.
>

Suit yourself.

--
Alias
 
V

Valorie *~

Flightless Bird
"Muad'Dib" <idaspud52@nospamhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4CBABEB8.7040206@nospamhotmail.com...
> On 10/16/2010 09:09 PM, Valorie *~ wrote:
>> I did a System Recovery on the Vista desktop and it now gets online with
>> the dial-up ISP. That was the only thing left to try.
>> We wont go through this with the Vista laptop since we mostly use it
>> when traveling. But we will bypass MS updates from now on.
>>
>> As for W-7. My husband was on the phone for hours with our ISP and HP
>> yet again. W-7 still cannot detect the modem to get online but sees it
>> when queried. Our ISP is sending a CD that may or may not help. This
>> happened after a MS update. Two other PCs with XP were not affected.
>>
>

> One thing; Never, ever, let Winders updates do it's own driver updates. If
> say, Nvidia has a new driver, then go to Nvidia's site, get the driver,
> and install it. NEVER let Winders do ANY driver updates! ..EVER They have
> a pathetic record of fowling their own operating system with driver
> updates. ..Don't let anyone else tell you different. I personally have
> suffered a complete OS crash over letting MS do it's own driver update. I
> now NEVER, EVER, let MS Updates do a driver update. If I feel I need say,
> a video driver update, I go the the video manufacturer's site, download
> the driver and install it myself. Lord only knows why MS STILL can't get
> it right, but let them do the driver install, and you will have nothing
> but problems as a result, most likely. ..And as I have been sorely burned,
> wind up, of course, reinstalling the OS over it. (Black screen of death)

I've heard the above before online. I try to keep up with PC news both
online and with Smart Computing magazine as time permitted. The PCs were
set to auto-update. I didn't look to see exactly what MS was updating. I
assumed the were more of the endless security updates.

>
> My God, how MS Os's SUCK! Really, one MUST consider trying out Linux! Go
> to http://www.ubuntu.com/ download a copy of Ubuntu, burn it to a CD, and
> boot it on your machine.

I can't so that myself and I can't locate any techs that come to the house
where I live. Also, my software wont work on UBantu. That's software for
techie-types and I'm far from that. If I did find someone to install it it
would negate the year warranty on this W-7 machine.

("Live CD") Try it out and see what you
> think. It CAN'T catch a Winders virus, is WAY more secure and stable than
> Winders, and well, just works. It does require just a bit of "Grey matter"
> but not nearly as much as it used to. Give it a try, and see what you
> think. I, personally, will NEVER use an MS OS as my MAIN stay, well,
> unless they pull their heads outta their arse! Why risk security, and
> reliability? ..Not a chance!

Does all your Window's software work on it? What email program does it use?

>
> Can't make the change, or at least try it? Then SUFFER.. Only by trying
> something different, will you be set FREE.

I may suffer a lot more losing my warranty and having to buy all new
software that works on a different OS.

>
> G'day
 
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