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Discussion in 'Windows XP' started by Ceder, May 9, 2010.

  1. Ceder

    Ceder Flightless Bird

    How to set Virtual PC for Windows XP? I need test programs in virtual
    environment, for safe testing, as it may contain viruses, etc.
     
  2. philo

    philo Flightless Bird

    On 05/09/2010 06:28 AM, Ceder wrote:
    > How to set Virtual PC for Windows XP? I need test programs in virtual
    > environment, for safe testing, as it may contain viruses, etc.
    >



    Once you have Virtual PC installed and you go to start it...

    Just try to pretend that it's an actual computer and you will soon see
    how it works

    In other words, you will have a (virtual) bios where you can set the
    boot order...boot from the cd and be given the option to partition and
    format your (virtual) harddrive
     
  3. Ceder

    Ceder Flightless Bird

    "philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message
    news:yZOdnaiy2pH-O3vWnZ2dnUVZ_jSdnZ2d@ntd.net...
    > On 05/09/2010 06:28 AM, Ceder wrote:
    > > How to set Virtual PC for Windows XP? I need test programs in virtual
    > > environment, for safe testing, as it may contain viruses, etc.
    > >

    >
    >
    > Once you have Virtual PC installed and you go to start it...
    >
    > Just try to pretend that it's an actual computer and you will soon see
    > how it works
    >
    > In other words, you will have a (virtual) bios where you can set the
    > boot order...boot from the cd and be given the option to partition and
    > format your (virtual) harddrive

    ---------

    There is several virtual machines. Which one is OK? Which one uses less
    resources (hard drive space, etc).
    Should I copy my programs into Virtual machine and run it from there?

    Also, I want track what system changes program do when it launched: registry
    keys added, files added/changed, all. A long time ago I used InCtrl utility
    which can track that changes. But it not work on XP. Is there some tool that
    can track this changes when program run on Virtual machine?

    Ceder
     
  4. PA Bear [MS MVP]

    PA Bear [MS MVP] Flightless Bird

    [[Forwarded to microsoft.public.virtualpc newsgroup via crosspost]]

    Ceder wrote:
    > "philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message
    > news:yZOdnaiy2pH-O3vWnZ2dnUVZ_jSdnZ2d@ntd.net...
    >> On 05/09/2010 06:28 AM, Ceder wrote:
    >>> How to set Virtual PC for Windows XP? I need test programs in virtual
    >>> environment, for safe testing, as it may contain viruses, etc.
    >>>

    >>
    >>
    >> Once you have Virtual PC installed and you go to start it...
    >>
    >> Just try to pretend that it's an actual computer and you will soon see
    >> how it works
    >>
    >> In other words, you will have a (virtual) bios where you can set the
    >> boot order...boot from the cd and be given the option to partition and
    >> format your (virtual) harddrive

    > ---------
    >
    > There is several virtual machines. Which one is OK? Which one uses less
    > resources (hard drive space, etc).
    > Should I copy my programs into Virtual machine and run it from there?
    >
    > Also, I want track what system changes program do when it launched:
    > registry
    > keys added, files added/changed, all. A long time ago I used InCtrl
    > utility
    > which can track that changes. But it not work on XP. Is there some tool
    > that
    > can track this changes when program run on Virtual machine?


    OT: Your posts' headers (Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409) tell us
    that you're running outdated & much less secure versions of Outlook Express,
    Internet Explorer and WinXP. Check in at Windows Update ASAP!

    Note: Support for WinXP (x86) SP2 ends on 13 July 2010. After that date,
    computers running WinXP (x86) SP2 "will no longer receive software updates
    from Windows Update" (i.e., Automatic Updates will not work and Windows
    Update website will not be accessible) until SP3 has been manually
    installed.

    • What does it mean if my version of Windows is no longer supported?
    http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/help/what-does-end-of-support-mean

    --
    ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
    MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002
     
  5. philo

    philo Flightless Bird

    On 05/09/2010 08:38 AM, Ceder wrote:
    >
    > "philo"<philo@privacy.net> wrote in message
    > news:yZOdnaiy2pH-O3vWnZ2dnUVZ_jSdnZ2d@ntd.net...
    >> On 05/09/2010 06:28 AM, Ceder wrote:
    >>> How to set Virtual PC for Windows XP? I need test programs in virtual
    >>> environment, for safe testing, as it may contain viruses, etc.
    >>>

    >>
    >>
    >> Once you have Virtual PC installed and you go to start it...
    >>
    >> Just try to pretend that it's an actual computer and you will soon see
    >> how it works
    >>
    >> In other words, you will have a (virtual) bios where you can set the
    >> boot order...boot from the cd and be given the option to partition and
    >> format your (virtual) harddrive

    > ---------
    >
    > There is several virtual machines. Which one is OK? Which one uses less
    > resources (hard drive space, etc).
    > Should I copy my programs into Virtual machine and run it from there?
    >
    > Also, I want track what system changes program do when it launched: registry
    > keys added, files added/changed, all. A long time ago I used InCtrl utility
    > which can track that changes. But it not work on XP. Is there some tool that
    > can track this changes when program run on Virtual machine?
    >
    > Ceder
    >
    >
    >



    You select the amount of space you want on your virtual drive...
    that's up to you.

    Nice way to track changes is to create a number of virtual installs
    then you can compare them

    Finally...you do not copy your programs to the virtual installation
    you install them as if you were just running a non-virtual OS
     
  6. HeyBub

    HeyBub Flightless Bird

    Ceder wrote:
    >
    > Also, I want track what system changes program do when it launched:
    > registry keys added, files added/changed, all. A long time ago I used
    > InCtrl utility which can track that changes. But it not work on XP.
    > Is there some tool that can track this changes when program run on
    > Virtual machine?
    >


    Google "install+track+system+changes" yields over 10 million hits.

    There are even FREE ones, for example:
    http://www.epsilonsquared.com/
     
  7. VanguardLH

    VanguardLH Flightless Bird

    Ceder wrote:

    > How to set Virtual PC for Windows XP? I need test programs in virtual
    > environment, for safe testing, as it may contain viruses, etc.


    VirtualPC newsgroup: microsoft.public.virtualpc

    So do you have *separate* licenses to allow you to install another instance
    of Windows on your host (inside a VM)? The instance of Windows running
    inside a VM requires its own license. Every *concurrently* running VM will
    require its own license for Windows (or you could use a free distro of Linux
    inside the VM).

    Have you yet installed VirtualPC 2007? If so, have you used their wizard to
    create a new VM? That only creates the shell (the VM). Then you have to
    install the OS just like you would in a real host. As I recall, I had to go
    into the VM's BIOS screens to change the boot order so the CD drive got
    detected before the hard drive (but it's been a long time since I last setup
    my VM).

    Asking "how to set up" is way too vague. When you post over in the VPC
    newsgroup, you should provide more details of what you have and what you
    plan to do.
     
  8. Ceder

    Ceder Flightless Bird

    "VanguardLH" <V@nguard.LH> wrote in message
    news:hs73as$trj$1@news.albasani.net...
    > Ceder wrote:
    >
    > > How to set Virtual PC for Windows XP? I need test programs in virtual
    > > environment, for safe testing, as it may contain viruses, etc.

    >
    > VirtualPC newsgroup: microsoft.public.virtualpc
    >
    > So do you have *separate* licenses to allow you to install another

    instance
    > of Windows on your host (inside a VM)? The instance of Windows running
    > inside a VM requires its own license. Every *concurrently* running VM

    will
    > require its own license for Windows (or you could use a free distro of

    Linux
    > inside the VM).
    >
    > Have you yet installed VirtualPC 2007? If so, have you used their wizard

    to
    > create a new VM? That only creates the shell (the VM). Then you have to
    > install the OS just like you would in a real host. As I recall, I had to

    go
    > into the VM's BIOS screens to change the boot order so the CD drive got
    > detected before the hard drive (but it's been a long time since I last

    setup
    > my VM).
    >
    > Asking "how to set up" is way too vague. When you post over in the VPC
    > newsgroup, you should provide more details of what you have and what you
    > plan to do.

    ------

    no, I am not going to instal ms Virtual PC 2007, it very slow, bulky tool.
    Will not work anyway. I need something that use less than 0,5% percent of
    system resources, very small, very fast, coded in pure C (not Visual C++).
     
  9. Nil

    Nil Flightless Bird

    On 09 May 2010, "Ceder" <ceder@nospam.microsoft.news> wrote in
    microsoft.public.windowsxp.general:

    > no, I am not going to instal ms Virtual PC 2007, it very slow,
    > bulky tool. Will not work anyway. I need something that use less
    > than 0,5% percent of system resources, very small, very fast,
    > coded in pure C (not Visual C++).


    Then why did you specify it in your original post? Why didn't you list
    these requirements in your original post? Why do you say "it won't
    work", when thousands of people have found that it DOES work?

    I'm sure you're not going to find many people here who are willing to
    play silly tooth-pulling games with you.

    You appear to be a troll.
     
  10. philo

    philo Flightless Bird

    On 05/09/2010 04:47 PM, Ceder wrote:
    >
    >
    > "VanguardLH"<V@nguard.LH> wrote in message
    > news:hs73as$trj$1@news.albasani.net...
    >> Ceder wrote:
    >>
    >>> How to set Virtual PC for Windows XP? I need test programs in virtual
    >>> environment, for safe testing, as it may contain viruses, etc.

    >>
    >> VirtualPC newsgroup: microsoft.public.virtualpc
    >>
    >> So do you have *separate* licenses to allow you to install another

    > instance
    >> of Windows on your host (inside a VM)? The instance of Windows running
    >> inside a VM requires its own license. Every *concurrently* running VM

    > will
    >> require its own license for Windows (or you could use a free distro of

    > Linux
    >> inside the VM).
    >>
    >> Have you yet installed VirtualPC 2007? If so, have you used their wizard

    > to
    >> create a new VM? That only creates the shell (the VM). Then you have to
    >> install the OS just like you would in a real host. As I recall, I had to

    > go
    >> into the VM's BIOS screens to change the boot order so the CD drive got
    >> detected before the hard drive (but it's been a long time since I last

    > setup
    >> my VM).
    >>
    >> Asking "how to set up" is way too vague. When you post over in the VPC
    >> newsgroup, you should provide more details of what you have and what you
    >> plan to do.

    > ------
    >
    > no, I am not going to instal ms Virtual PC 2007, it very slow, bulky tool.
    > Will not work anyway. I need something that use less than 0,5% percent of
    > system resources, very small, very fast, coded in pure C (not Visual C++).
    >



    troll

    *plonk*
     
  11. VanguardLH

    VanguardLH Flightless Bird

    Ceder wrote:

    > VanguardLH wrote ...
    >
    >> Ceder wrote:
    >>
    >>> How to set Virtual PC for Windows XP? I need test programs in virtual
    >>> environment, for safe testing, as it may contain viruses, etc.

    >>
    >> VirtualPC newsgroup: microsoft.public.virtualpc
    >>
    >> So do you have *separate* licenses to allow you to install another
    >> instance of Windows on your host (inside a VM)? The instance of Windows
    >> running inside a VM requires its own license. Every *concurrently*
    >> running VM will require its own license for Windows (or you could use a
    >> free distro of Linux inside the VM).
    >>
    >> Have you yet installed VirtualPC 2007? If so, have you used their
    >> wizard to create a new VM? That only creates the shell (the VM). Then
    >> you have to install the OS just like you would in a real host. As I
    >> recall, I had to go into the VM's BIOS screens to change the boot order
    >> so the CD drive got detected before the hard drive (but it's been a long
    >> time since I last setup my VM).
    >>
    >> Asking "how to set up" is way too vague. When you post over in the VPC
    >> newsgroup, you should provide more details of what you have and what you
    >> plan to do.

    >
    > no, I am not going to instal ms Virtual PC 2007, it very slow, bulky
    > tool. Will not work anyway. I need something that use less than 0,5%
    > percent of system resources, very small, very fast, coded in pure C (not
    > Visual C++).


    Then you lied. Just what did you think "How to set Virtual PC for Windows
    XP?" was supposed to mean? Expect replies based on the question you
    actually asked, not what you meant to ask. You said that you wanted to use
    VPC and that means running an ENTIRE operating system as a guest on another
    operating system. You thought an entire operating system would run with as
    little resources as 0.5% (CPU usage presumably)? Uh huh. What does your
    real OS use *now*?

    I use VPC all the time as a test vehicle for unknown or untrusted software.
    Yes, of course, it won't run as fast as the real host. Do you even know
    what is a virtual machine? Everything in the hardware for the VM is
    emulated in software except for the CPU. You thought software-emulated
    hardware would run as fast as the real host that has access to the real
    hardware?

    Seems like what you want is to use multi-booting (to have multiple operating
    systems in different partitions and select which one to load at boot time)
    or to use swappable hard drives where each one has it own instance of an OS
    (you pull out one hard drive and insert another to switch between the
    operating systems but that requires powering down).

    If you plan on using virtual machines then you should really do *some*
    research beforehand. See:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_machine
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtualpc
    http://www.goodells.net/virtualpc/index.htm

    Sandboxing is a whole other story. Maybe that's what you want to use.
    However, until you make up your mind there's no point in wasting time in
    further replies.

    Sandboxing:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandbox_(computer_security)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandbox_(software_development)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandboxie (30-day trial, becomes nagware)

    Virtualizing file I/O in the OS:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Returnil
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_SteadyState
    other similar products: Deepfreeze, Shadow Defender

    You said that you wanted a safe environment to test your programs. Swapping
    hard drives to change the OS is the safest. Using multiple partitions where
    each loads a different instance of an OS is next. Virtual machines come
    next. Sandboxing and virtualizing your OS are last but still quite usable.

    I use both VirtualPC 2007 and Returnil to test new software or tweaks.
    Alas, Returnil will wipe all changes when you reboot (they are working to
    retain changes across Windows sessions and later let you discard all changes
    in their next version but who knows when that'll show up). For unknown
    software that could contain malware, I use a VM. For software that I might
    not want to keep and simply want to check out (and which doesn't require a
    reboot to complete their install), I use Returnil. VMs will be slow because
    all the hardware is emulated in software. Returnil has little impact
    because you are using your real host to allow the changes and hoping that
    Returnil will catch them all and also hope that Returnil will undo all those
    changes (by discarding the virtual disk to which all the caught changes were
    applied).

    Nothing makes up for doing backups, preferrably image backups (full or
    incremental) to ensure that you can revert your hard disks back to a prior
    state. If you don't backup then you deem your data as worthless or
    reproducible. So despite using VPC2007 and Returnil, I still rely on my
    daily scheduled image backups to let me revert my host back to a prior
    state.
     
  12. SlickRCBD

    SlickRCBD Flightless Bird

    I just saw this thread and it caught my attention. I just installed a
    fresh copy of Windows XP Pro and used automatic updates to bring it up
    to SP3. I didn't pay much attention, but I don't think my cd has any
    service packs, or if it does it's only SP1.
    What's the best thing to do to prepare for the next time I invariably
    need to pull out the install cd and do a clean install if I can't
    simply sic automatic updates on it to have the least amount of trouble
    getting a fully patched system set up from scratch?

    On May 9, 9:40 am, "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABear...@gmail.com> wrote:
    > [[Forwarded to microsoft.public.virtualpc newsgroup via crosspost]]
    >
    >
    >
    > OT: Your posts' headers (Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409) tell us
    > that you're running outdated & much less secure versions of Outlook Express,
    > Internet Explorer and WinXP. Check in at Windows Update ASAP!
    >
    > Note: Support for WinXP (x86) SP2 ends on 13 July 2010. After that date,
    > computers running WinXP (x86) SP2 "will no longer receive software updates
    > from Windows Update" (i.e., Automatic Updates will not work and Windows
    > Update website will not be accessible) until SP3 has been manually
    > installed.
    >
    > • What does it mean if my version of Windows is no longer supported?
    > http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/help/what-does-end-of-supp...
     
  13. Paul

    Paul Flightless Bird

    SlickRCBD wrote:
    > I just saw this thread and it caught my attention. I just installed a
    > fresh copy of Windows XP Pro and used automatic updates to bring it up
    > to SP3. I didn't pay much attention, but I don't think my cd has any
    > service packs, or if it does it's only SP1.
    > What's the best thing to do to prepare for the next time I invariably
    > need to pull out the install cd and do a clean install if I can't
    > simply sic automatic updates on it to have the least amount of trouble
    > getting a fully patched system set up from scratch?
    >


    Download SP3 separately.

    http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...A8-5E76-401F-BE08-1E1555D4F3D4&displaylang=en

    Use a tool like NLite, to prepare a new installer CD, with SP3
    slipstreamed into the install.

    http://www.nliteos.com/guide/part1.html

    After NLite is finished, you'll be able to take the resulting
    output, and burn a new installer CD.

    That will then allow you to install to SP3 level.

    You'll still need a couple hundred other updates from
    Windows Update. If there was a "rollup", things might
    be different.

    Another alternative, is to just back up your entire C:
    drive, as it now stands. Assuming it is not infected,
    you can restore the backup you make, at any future time,
    and avoid all the downloads again. The disadvantage of that
    approach, is it is only going to work for your current
    hardware configuration. If your computer died, and you
    bought an entirely new one, the backup image might not be
    very easy to use. An installer CD is the most "portable"
    solution, even if it doesn't happen to be very complete
    (i.e. needs lots of Windows Updates).

    Paul
     
  14. SlickRCBD

    SlickRCBD Flightless Bird

    On May 24, 2:20 pm, Paul <nos...@needed.com> wrote:
    > SlickRCBD wrote:
    > > I just saw this thread and it caught my attention. I just installed a
    > > fresh copy of Windows XP Pro and used automatic updates to bring it up
    > > to SP3. I didn't pay much attention, but I don't think my cd has any
    > > service packs, or if it does it's only SP1.
    > > What's the best thing to do to prepare for the next time I invariably
    > > need to pull out the install cd and do a clean install if I can't
    > > simply sic automatic updates on it to have the least amount of trouble
    > > getting a fully patched system set up from scratch?

    >
    > Download SP3 separately.
    >
    > http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=5B33B5A8-5E7...
    >
    > Use a tool like NLite, to prepare a new installer CD, with SP3
    > slipstreamed into the install.
    >
    > http://www.nliteos.com/guide/part1.html
    >
    > After NLite is finished, you'll be able to take the resulting
    > output, and burn a new installer CD.
    >
    > That will then allow you to install to SP3 level.
    >

    On an unrelated note, is there anything similar that I can use to make
    a Windows 98SE install cd from the setup files in the c:/windows
    \options\cabs on my old Dell optiplex gx110? I don't have a working
    restore cd for it and need one. I've made a backup of the hard drive
    onto a virtual pc setup as I don't have any imaging software at home,
    but would feel better if I could make a clean install from a cd if
    necessary.

    It seems nlite is only for NT based Windows.
     
  15. Paul

    Paul Flightless Bird

    SlickRCBD wrote:

    > On an unrelated note, is there anything similar that I can use to make
    > a Windows 98SE install cd from the setup files in the c:/windows
    > \options\cabs on my old Dell optiplex gx110? I don't have a working
    > restore cd for it and need one. I've made a backup of the hard drive
    > onto a virtual pc setup as I don't have any imaging software at home,
    > but would feel better if I could make a clean install from a cd if
    > necessary.
    >
    > It seems nlite is only for NT based Windows.


    All I can say, is I see sites on the web selling CDs,
    but they don't seem to be proper recovery CDs. As long
    as you have some idea what a legitimate one looks like,
    perhaps you can buy one.

    Did the Optiplex have a utility, to burn a CD using the
    files stored on the hard drive ? Perhaps you were
    supposed to make your recovery CD that way. Generally,
    that mechanism is limited to burning one CD, and you'd make
    copies after that on your own.

    Paul
     

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