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Video update and Single/dual boot huh?

Discussion in 'Windows 7' started by Tom C, Mar 13, 2010.

  1. Tom C

    Tom C Flightless Bird

    I have installed Windows 7 on an HP Pavilion 710n running a single core 2.7
    Gig processor. There are actually two issues with this system.

    1. The onboard video is supplied by Asus and is an Nvidia. The video
    shares system memory with the main processor, so at 256 megs, leaves only
    750 or so for the system to run on. The computer will also not accept any
    more than 1 Gig of Ram. Since there are no PCI Express or AGP slots
    included on the main board, what if any, are the benefits of adding a new
    PCI (standard) video card? Should I spend the money on a new video card
    and set the bios to not use the onboard, or should I just replace the main
    board with a new one and add a separate video card. This will of course
    force an upgrade in parts, meaning new processor and memory. The computer
    seems quite slow, but I really don't want to put too much into it, mainly
    because it is primarily used for browsing the web along with some music and
    image editing.

    2. When I boot the computer, it gives me the selection screen so I can
    choose to boot in either Windows XP or Windows 7 The system thinks there are
    2 operating systems, but since I installed Windows 7, XP is no longer
    installed. I have even gone so far as to delete the Windows Old folder. I
    saw something about BCDEdit, but I have absolutely no idea what to do with
    it. When I run it on the HP, it seems to run a script in a command prompt
    window and disappears. Is there a boot file I can edit to eliminate any
    references to Windows XP Pro and boot directly to Windows 7 without the need
    to select anything?

    As always, thank you all. You are the best and I've always admired what you
    do to help people like me.
     
  2. Seth

    Seth Flightless Bird

    "Tom C" <bettablue@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:C6Tmn.32032$sx5.21688@newsfe16.iad...
    >I have installed Windows 7 on an HP Pavilion 710n running a single core 2.7
    >Gig processor. There are actually two issues with this system.
    >
    > 1. The onboard video is supplied by Asus and is an Nvidia. The video
    > shares system memory with the main processor, so at 256 megs, leaves only
    > 750 or so for the system to run on. The computer will also not accept
    > any more than 1 Gig of Ram. Since there are no PCI Express or AGP slots
    > included on the main board, what if any, are the benefits of adding a new
    > PCI (standard) video card? Should I spend the money on a new video card
    > and set the bios to not use the onboard, or should I just replace the main
    > board with a new one and add a separate video card. This will of course
    > force an upgrade in parts, meaning new processor and memory. The
    > computer seems quite slow, but I really don't want to put too much into
    > it, mainly because it is primarily used for browsing the web along with
    > some music and image editing.


    Don't bother putting any money in it. Use money you have and save a little
    further towards building or buying a new system.

    > 2. When I boot the computer, it gives me the selection screen so I can
    > choose to boot in either Windows XP or Windows 7 The system thinks there
    > are 2 operating systems, but since I installed Windows 7, XP is no longer
    > installed. I have even gone so far as to delete the Windows Old folder.
    > I saw something about BCDEdit, but I have absolutely no idea what to do
    > with it. When I run it on the HP, it seems to run a script in a command
    > prompt window and disappears. Is there a boot file I can edit to
    > eliminate any references to Windows XP Pro and boot directly to Windows 7
    > without the need to select anything?


    The easy way without screwing with other things that have the potential to
    hose your system...

    Right click "Computer" (in Start Menu"), choose "Properties". Click on
    "Advanced system settings". Under "Startup and Recovery" click "Settings".
    Make sure "Default operating system:" is "Windows 7" and uncheck "Time to
    display list of operating systems:".

    > As always, thank you all. You are the best and I've always admired what
    > you do to help people like me.
     
  3. PeeCee

    PeeCee Flightless Bird

    "Tom C" <bettablue@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:C6Tmn.32032$sx5.21688@newsfe16.iad...
    > I have installed Windows 7 on an HP Pavilion 710n running a single core
    > 2.7 Gig processor. There are actually two issues with this system.
    >
    > 1. The onboard video is supplied by Asus and is an Nvidia. The video
    > shares system memory with the main processor, so at 256 megs, leaves only
    > 750 or so for the system to run on. The computer will also not accept
    > any more than 1 Gig of Ram. Since there are no PCI Express or AGP slots
    > included on the main board, what if any, are the benefits of adding a new
    > PCI (standard) video card? Should I spend the money on a new video card
    > and set the bios to not use the onboard, or should I just replace the main
    > board with a new one and add a separate video card. This will of course
    > force an upgrade in parts, meaning new processor and memory. The
    > computer seems quite slow, but I really don't want to put too much into
    > it, mainly because it is primarily used for browsing the web along with
    > some music and image editing.
    >
    > 2. When I boot the computer, it gives me the selection screen so I can
    > choose to boot in either Windows XP or Windows 7 The system thinks there
    > are 2 operating systems, but since I installed Windows 7, XP is no longer
    > installed. I have even gone so far as to delete the Windows Old folder.
    > I saw something about BCDEdit, but I have absolutely no idea what to do
    > with it. When I run it on the HP, it seems to run a script in a command
    > prompt window and disappears. Is there a boot file I can edit to
    > eliminate any references to Windows XP Pro and boot directly to Windows 7
    > without the need to select anything?
    >
    > As always, thank you all. You are the best and I've always admired what
    > you do to help people like me.


    Tom

    The only 710n I can find on the HP website is a 'a710n'
    http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/...ory&lc=en&dlc=en&cc=au&lang=en&product=431076
    The specs on that page show it can accept up to '2' GB of RAM and that it
    has and AGP slot onboard.
    If that is the model you do have then taking the RAM to 2GB and putting in a
    reasonable AGP will make it run 'reasonably well'

    Like Seth though I don't think you'll get good value upgrading that PC.
    It will always struggle with Win7 and would be better put back on to XP.
    The money saved on hardware can then be put towards a new PC.

    Best
    Paul..
     
  4. Conor

    Conor Flightless Bird

    On 13/03/2010 21:05, Tom C wrote:
    > The computer will also not
    > accept any more than 1 Gig of Ram.


    Rubbish. Potter over to www.crucial.com and use the memory selector tool.

    --
    Conor
    I'm not prejudiced. I hate everyone equally.
     
  5. Tom C

    Tom C Flightless Bird

    Thank you... All very good replies. Yes the computer is labeled a710n, but
    the board definitely does not have a AGP slot. I have tried installing 2 -
    1 Gig sticks of Ram, but it still only showed 1 Gig. I thought it may have
    been a bad memory module, so I pulled out the memory and tested each one
    individually and in both slots. Both chips worked fine in other one, so I
    knew that both the memory and the slots were fine. I ended up taking the
    memory back and replacing it only to have the same issue, so I posted my
    questions here.

    Since I bought the computer a about 5 or 6 years ago as a closeout floor
    model from Fry's, it may have something other than what it is supposed to
    have. I suspect it may have even had the board replaced before I bought it.
    The processor was about the only thing that matched the specs. That would
    also explain a lot of other discrepancies I have found between the manual
    and the actual system. Thankfully, I am a lot more educated about
    computers than I was when I bought this aberration. BTW, I am NEVER going
    to buy another refurbished computer again. You just never really know what
    you're getting.

    Needless to say, I got the answers I was pretty much expecting from this
    group. Thanks again. This thing is just too old to bother spending more
    money on. So, I will take the advice and build a new system. Since I like
    the case, I am probably going to replace the main board, memory and
    processor. It may not be an HP any more, if it ever really was, but who
    cares. I can definitely replace these a lot cheaper than buying a new
    computer that usually comes with a lot of bloat ware.

    I priced out some parts and came up with a decent system upgrade for about
    $125.00. That includes a new board with onboard ATI video, memory, and
    dual core processor. I have a couple of SATA drives to add into it, so...
    Off to the store I go. As I said previously. This computer will not be
    used for anything very heavy, mainly for browsing the web, music and some
    photo editing, so it definitely doesn't have to be high end. For that
    price, you can't even buy a decent video card.



    "Conor" <conor@gmx.co.uk> wrote in message
    news:hninup$33p$1@news.eternal-september.org...
    > On 13/03/2010 21:05, Tom C wrote:
    >> The computer will also not
    >> accept any more than 1 Gig of Ram.

    >
    > Rubbish. Potter over to www.crucial.com and use the memory selector tool.
    >
    > --
    > Conor
    > I'm not prejudiced. I hate everyone equally.
     
  6. Dave

    Dave Flightless Bird

    "Tom C" <bettablue@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:ZT9nn.45895$Dv7.5473@newsfe17.iad...
    > Thank you... All very good replies. Yes the computer is labeled a710n,
    > but the board definitely does not have a AGP slot. I have tried
    > installing 2 - 1 Gig sticks of Ram, but it still only showed 1 Gig. I
    > thought it may have been a bad memory module, so I pulled out the memory
    > and tested each one individually and in both slots. Both chips worked
    > fine in other one, so I knew that both the memory and the slots were fine.
    > I ended up taking the memory back and replacing it only to have the same
    > issue, so I posted my questions here.
    >
    > Since I bought the computer a about 5 or 6 years ago as a closeout floor
    > model from Fry's, it may have something other than what it is supposed to
    > have. I suspect it may have even had the board replaced before I bought
    > it. The processor was about the only thing that matched the specs. That
    > would also explain a lot of other discrepancies I have found between the
    > manual and the actual system. Thankfully, I am a lot more educated about
    > computers than I was when I bought this aberration. BTW, I am NEVER going
    > to buy another refurbished computer again. You just never really know
    > what you're getting.
    >
    > Needless to say, I got the answers I was pretty much expecting from this
    > group. Thanks again. This thing is just too old to bother spending more
    > money on. So, I will take the advice and build a new system. Since I
    > like the case, I am probably going to replace the main board, memory and
    > processor. It may not be an HP any more, if it ever really was, but who
    > cares. I can definitely replace these a lot cheaper than buying a new
    > computer that usually comes with a lot of bloat ware.
    >
    > I priced out some parts and came up with a decent system upgrade for about
    > $125.00. That includes a new board with onboard ATI video, memory, and
    > dual core processor. I have a couple of SATA drives to add into it, so...
    > Off to the store I go. As I said previously. This computer will not be
    > used for anything very heavy, mainly for browsing the web, music and some
    > photo editing, so it definitely doesn't have to be high end. For that
    > price, you can't even buy a decent video card.
    >

    I agree with the opinion of replacing the system. The bus is slower as is
    all the other architecture. You should check the output capacity of the
    power supply on the case you plan on re-using as it may not be high enough
    output. Tiger Direct, as well as a lot of other suppliers, has "Bare-bones"
    systems for reasonable prices, that way you can re-use your keyboard, mouse
    and monitor if you wish. I also encourage you to look a quad-core while
    you're at it. It is not a necessity and the dual will run as fast as almost
    any software available today, but if the price break between quad and dual
    is small it will be a good investment as software will continue to push the
    hardware to the point a dual will be slow someday. If money gets in the way,
    and until I hit the lottery I am I the same boat, the dual will be plenty
    for several years.
    Just my 2cents,
    Dave
     

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