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Using Windows Mail in Windows & - $%#$$%#@! MS ruined it!

Discussion in 'Windows 7' started by Stubbo of Oz, May 15, 2010.

  1. Stubbo of Oz

    Stubbo of Oz Flightless Bird

    I have been using Windows Mail (copied from Vista) in my Windows 7
    computer for nearly 6 months without any problems.

    Now, since Windows update KB978542 was installed a couple of days ago
    it has stopped working.

    It appears as a running program in Windows Task manager but the user
    interface never appears.

    I have done a System Restore to before KB978542 and Windows Mail
    started working OK again, Repeated this three time so I have no doubt
    that it is KB978542 that has buggered it up.

    Has anyone else using Windows Mail in Windows 7 had this experience?

    Are MS purposely disabling Windows Mail in Windows 7 just to show us
    that they can and to stop us using it?

    Oh well, I guess I will have to try #$&*(#$ Windows Live Mail again
    :-(

    And before someone says "use Thunderbird" Ii don't like that either!!




    --
    ----------------
    Stubbo of Oz
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  2. Jackie

    Jackie Flightless Bird

    On 5/15/2010 08:57, Stubbo of Oz wrote:
    > I have been using Windows Mail (copied from Vista) in my Windows 7
    > computer for nearly 6 months without any problems.
    >
    > Now, since Windows update KB978542 was installed a couple of days ago
    > it has stopped working.
    >
    > It appears as a running program in Windows Task manager but the user
    > interface never appears.
    >
    > I have done a System Restore to before KB978542 and Windows Mail
    > started working OK again, Repeated this three time so I have no doubt
    > that it is KB978542 that has buggered it up.
    >
    > Has anyone else using Windows Mail in Windows 7 had this experience?
    >
    > Are MS purposely disabling Windows Mail in Windows 7 just to show us
    > that they can and to stop us using it?
    >
    > Oh well, I guess I will have to try #$&*(#$ Windows Live Mail again
    > :-(
    >
    > And before someone says "use Thunderbird" Ii don't like that either!!
    >
    >
    >
    >

    It appears like it stopped working for more people after this update.
    One user on a forum says this:
    -------
    You need the 1/19/2008 version of msoe.dll. I guess the latest update
    changed this file. I renamed the new version (dated 3/4/2010) and copied
    my old Vista version back into the C:/Program Files\Windows Mail folder,
    and Mail started right up.

    I hope I don't have to repeat this process after every Windows Update in
    the future.

    For those that want the file, I uploaded it to Rapidshare so go for it:

    http://rapidshare.com/files/386489896/msoe.dll
    -------
    http://www.sevenforums.com/browsers-mail/84351-windows-mail-stopped-working-after-updates-today.html

    I hope that will do the trick. Here's another page I came over that also
    mentions msoe.dll and links to download both 32- and 64-bit versions:
    http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/5481-windows-mail.html
     
  3. mac

    mac Flightless Bird

    "Jackie" <Jackie@an.on> wrote in message
    news:4bee4d1a$0$23942$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com...

    > It appears like it stopped working for more people after this update. One
    > user on a forum says this:
    > -------
    > You need the 1/19/2008 version of msoe.dll.


    You should use the latest, updated version of msoe.dll from Vista with
    KB978542 installed.
    Dated 29th Jan 2010.

    --
    Regards Steve.
    MS-MVP. MAIL. [DTS] UK.
    http://www.getsafeonline.org/
    http://www.microsoft.com/uk/citizenship/safeandsecure/parentadvice/default.mspx
     
  4. Steve Cochran

    Steve Cochran Flightless Bird

    I posted this in this newsgroup less than 12 hours before you posted. Next time read the messages and you will find an answer.


    Recently a patch (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/978542) was released that addressed a security issue in Windows Mail. Those using Windows Mail in Windows 7 found that Windows Mail no longer functioned properly, as they had hacked the program by replacing the msoe.dll file with one from Vista, thereby de-crippling Windows Mail so it would then function as client application. When the update was applied, the hacked msoe.dll was replaced by a new Windows 7 version of the dll, which again crippled Windows Mail.

    The obvious solution was to replace the dll with the Vista dll again, which then restored the functionality. However, replacing the Win7 patched dll with the Vista unpatched dll, resorts in ther user being subject to the security vulnerability. The user would be more likely to have protection against the vulnerability, if they used the patched Vista msoe.dll (although there is no guarantee that that version will in fact protect in Win7, as the scenario is untested).

    Some have posted links to non-Microsoft websites in order for those who wish to obtain the patched Vista versions of the msoe.dll. However, one can question the security of such websites and the files they provide as well as consider that Microsoft does not support distribution of its dlls.

    Consequently, it is best if the user obtains the patched dlls from Microsoft directly. For the given KB article referenced above, the files can be downloaded here:

    http://catalog.update.microsoft.com/v7/site/search.aspx?q=kb978542

    To extract the dlls from the downloaded files see:

    http://support.microsoft.com/kb/928636

    In the future, this situation will occur everytime Windows Mail is patched in Windows 7, as msoe.dll will be replaced each time. So in the future, anyone who is hacking Windows 7 by replacing msoe.dll from Vista, will continue to have to get the patched version of the Vista dll and replace it, as in this situation.

    steve

    MS-MVP
    Outlook Express / Windows Mail


    "Stubbo of Oz" <stubbo@invalid.invalid> wrote in message news:jsgsu5l7d91jqocpd5bvvjjh5llckhe49i@4ax.com...
    >I have been using Windows Mail (copied from Vista) in my Windows 7
    > computer for nearly 6 months without any problems.
    >
    > Now, since Windows update KB978542 was installed a couple of days ago
    > it has stopped working.
    >
    > It appears as a running program in Windows Task manager but the user
    > interface never appears.
    >
    > I have done a System Restore to before KB978542 and Windows Mail
    > started working OK again, Repeated this three time so I have no doubt
    > that it is KB978542 that has buggered it up.
    >
    > Has anyone else using Windows Mail in Windows 7 had this experience?
    >
    > Are MS purposely disabling Windows Mail in Windows 7 just to show us
    > that they can and to stop us using it?
    >
    > Oh well, I guess I will have to try #$&*(#$ Windows Live Mail again
    > :-(
    >
    > And before someone says "use Thunderbird" Ii don't like that either!!
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > --
    > ----------------
    > Stubbo of Oz
    > ----------------
     
  5. Stubbo of Oz

    Stubbo of Oz Flightless Bird

    On Sat, 15 May 2010 16:57:46 +1000, Stubbo of Oz
    <stubbo@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    >I have been using Windows Mail (copied from Vista) in my Windows 7
    >computer for nearly 6 months without any problems.
    >
    >Now, since Windows update KB978542 was installed a couple of days ago
    >it has stopped working.
    >
    >It appears as a running program in Windows Task manager but the user
    >interface never appears.
    >
    >I have done a System Restore to before KB978542 and Windows Mail
    >started working OK again, Repeated this three time so I have no doubt
    >that it is KB978542 that has buggered it up.
    >
    >Has anyone else using Windows Mail in Windows 7 had this experience?
    >
    >Are MS purposely disabling Windows Mail in Windows 7 just to show us
    >that they can and to stop us using it?
    >
    >Oh well, I guess I will have to try #$&*(#$ Windows Live Mail again
    >:-(
    >
    >And before someone says "use Thunderbird" Ii don't like that either!!
    >


    Thanks for all the replies.

    Windows Mail now working again!! Got the dll from my updated Vista
    partition.


    --
    ----------------
    Stubbo of Oz
    ----------------
     
  6. Stubbo of Oz

    Stubbo of Oz Flightless Bird

    On Sat, 15 May 2010 08:04:02 -0400, "Steve Cochran"
    <scochran@oehelp.com> wrote:

    >I posted this in this newsgroup less than 12 hours before you posted. Next time read the messages and you will find an answer.
    >
    > Snip ....................


    Steve - sorry I missed your previous post - I had already deleted old
    ones before I struck my problem and googling did not seem to come up
    with anything - maybe I phrased my Google query wrongly :-(

    You said in earlier post that you are working on a page "how to use OE
    or WinMail in Win7". I hope you will post a link to it here when it
    becomes available,

    Cheers .............


    --
    ----------------
    Stubbo of Oz
    ----------------
     
  7. Steve Cochran

    Steve Cochran Flightless Bird

    "Stubbo of Oz" <stubbo@invalid.invalid> wrote in message news:nqiuu5l7s2g05s15tfg0j6go1tt62ia5oc@4ax.com...
    > On Sat, 15 May 2010 08:04:02 -0400, "Steve Cochran"
    > <scochran@oehelp.com> wrote:
    >
    >>I posted this in this newsgroup less than 12 hours before you posted. Next time read the messages and you will find an answer.
    >>
    >> Snip ....................

    >
    > Steve - sorry I missed your previous post - I had already deleted old
    > ones before I struck my problem and googling did not seem to come up
    > with anything - maybe I phrased my Google query wrongly :-(
    >
    > You said in earlier post that you are working on a page "how to use OE
    > or WinMail in Win7". I hope you will post a link to it here when it
    > becomes available,
    >


    Yes. One option involves running XP in Virtual mode and then one can use OE from the Virtual machine. One can actually clone one's old XP machine and run it as an application from the Win7 Desktop. Its quite easy. See http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/ee656415.aspx

    steve



    > Cheers .............
    >
    >
    > --
    > ----------------
    > Stubbo of Oz
    > ----------------
     
  8. Bob Kulp

    Bob Kulp Flightless Bird

    "Steve Cochran" <scochran@oehelp.com> wrote in message
    news:B3ABA6C6-DC8E-40FD-AAE9-52F324784A66@microsoft.com...
    > I posted this in this newsgroup less than 12 hours before you posted.
    > Next time read the messages and you will find an answer.
    >
    >
    > Recently a patch (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/978542) was released
    > that addressed a security issue in Windows Mail. Those using Windows Mail
    > in Windows 7 found that Windows Mail no longer functioned properly, as
    > they had hacked the program by replacing the msoe.dll file with one from
    > Vista, thereby de-crippling Windows Mail so it would then function as
    > client application. When the update was applied, the hacked msoe.dll was
    > replaced by a new Windows 7 version of the dll, which again crippled
    > Windows Mail.
    >
    > The obvious solution was to replace the dll with the Vista dll again,
    > which then restored the functionality. However, replacing the Win7
    > patched dll with the Vista unpatched dll, resorts in ther user being
    > subject to the security vulnerability. The user would be more likely to
    > have protection against the vulnerability, if they used the patched Vista
    > msoe.dll (although there is no guarantee that that version will in fact
    > protect in Win7, as the scenario is untested).
    >
    > Some have posted links to non-Microsoft websites in order for those who
    > wish to obtain the patched Vista versions of the msoe.dll. However, one
    > can question the security of such websites and the files they provide as
    > well as consider that Microsoft does not support distribution of its dlls.
    >
    > Consequently, it is best if the user obtains the patched dlls from
    > Microsoft directly. For the given KB article referenced above, the files
    > can be downloaded here:
    >
    > http://catalog.update.microsoft.com/v7/site/search.aspx?q=kb978542
    >
    > To extract the dlls from the downloaded files see:
    >
    > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/928636
    >
    > In the future, this situation will occur everytime Windows Mail is patched
    > in Windows 7, as msoe.dll will be replaced each time. So in the future,
    > anyone who is hacking Windows 7 by replacing msoe.dll from Vista, will
    > continue to have to get the patched version of the Vista dll and replace
    > it, as in this situation.
    >
    > steve
    >
    > MS-MVP
    > Outlook Express / Windows Mail
    >
    >
    > "Stubbo of Oz" <stubbo@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
    > news:jsgsu5l7d91jqocpd5bvvjjh5llckhe49i@4ax.com...
    >>I have been using Windows Mail (copied from Vista) in my Windows 7
    >> computer for nearly 6 months without any problems.
    >>
    >> Now, since Windows update KB978542 was installed a couple of days ago
    >> it has stopped working.
    >>
    >> It appears as a running program in Windows Task manager but the user
    >> interface never appears.
    >>
    >> I have done a System Restore to before KB978542 and Windows Mail
    >> started working OK again, Repeated this three time so I have no doubt
    >> that it is KB978542 that has buggered it up.
    >>
    >> Has anyone else using Windows Mail in Windows 7 had this experience?
    >>
    >> Are MS purposely disabling Windows Mail in Windows 7 just to show us
    >> that they can and to stop us using it?
    >>
    >> Oh well, I guess I will have to try #$&*(#$ Windows Live Mail again
    >> :-(
    >>
    >> And before someone says "use Thunderbird" Ii don't like that either!!
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> --
    >> ----------------
    >> Stubbo of Oz
    >> ----------------


    I am not having a problem with Windows Mail in Windows 7 64 bit after
    applying KB978542, but upon checking I find that I have msoe.dll dated
    3/4/2010 size 1.582 KB. Is this an infected module?

    Bob
     
  9. Gary VanderMolen [MVP]

    Gary VanderMolen [MVP] Flightless Bird

    Mine is dated 1/29/2010, 1579 KB. I copied it from an updated Vista
    computer. Yours may be the Windows 7 patched version, which for most
    users crippled Windows Mail in Windows 7.

    --
    Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
    Microsoft MVP program: http://mvp.support.microsoft.com


    "Bob Kulp" <pluker@comcast.net> wrote in message news:ht2ccv$199$1@news.eternal-september.org...
    >
    > I am not having a problem with Windows Mail in Windows 7 64 bit after
    > applying KB978542, but upon checking I find that I have msoe.dll dated
    > 3/4/2010 size 1.582 KB. Is this an infected module?
     
  10. mac

    mac Flightless Bird

  11. mac

    mac Flightless Bird

    " mac" <macknever@fsmail.net> wrote in message
    news:40C066B9-7D45-49B2-8BCE-A97F95803C0F@microsoft.com...
    >
    > Windows Mail, or Windows LIVE Mail?


    Wrong thread, please ignore.


    --
    Regards Steve.
     
  12. Steve Cochran

    Steve Cochran Flightless Bird

    No, it is correct. You can check the article referenced below, but the 64 bit msoe.dll is about that size if I remember.

    You are not posting with Windows Mail. You are posting with Windows Live Mail, so you are not impacted by the update in the sense of the subject line of this thread.

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    X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726


    steve

    "Bob Kulp" <pluker@comcast.net> wrote in message news:ht2ccv$199$1@news.eternal-september.org...
    >
    >
    > "Steve Cochran" <scochran@oehelp.com> wrote in message
    > news:B3ABA6C6-DC8E-40FD-AAE9-52F324784A66@microsoft.com...
    >> I posted this in this newsgroup less than 12 hours before you posted.
    >> Next time read the messages and you will find an answer.
    >>
    >>
    >> Recently a patch (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/978542) was released
    >> that addressed a security issue in Windows Mail. Those using Windows Mail
    >> in Windows 7 found that Windows Mail no longer functioned properly, as
    >> they had hacked the program by replacing the msoe.dll file with one from
    >> Vista, thereby de-crippling Windows Mail so it would then function as
    >> client application. When the update was applied, the hacked msoe.dll was
    >> replaced by a new Windows 7 version of the dll, which again crippled
    >> Windows Mail.
    >>
    >> The obvious solution was to replace the dll with the Vista dll again,
    >> which then restored the functionality. However, replacing the Win7
    >> patched dll with the Vista unpatched dll, resorts in ther user being
    >> subject to the security vulnerability. The user would be more likely to
    >> have protection against the vulnerability, if they used the patched Vista
    >> msoe.dll (although there is no guarantee that that version will in fact
    >> protect in Win7, as the scenario is untested).
    >>
    >> Some have posted links to non-Microsoft websites in order for those who
    >> wish to obtain the patched Vista versions of the msoe.dll. However, one
    >> can question the security of such websites and the files they provide as
    >> well as consider that Microsoft does not support distribution of its dlls.
    >>
    >> Consequently, it is best if the user obtains the patched dlls from
    >> Microsoft directly. For the given KB article referenced above, the files
    >> can be downloaded here:
    >>
    >> http://catalog.update.microsoft.com/v7/site/search.aspx?q=kb978542
    >>
    >> To extract the dlls from the downloaded files see:
    >>
    >> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/928636
    >>
    >> In the future, this situation will occur everytime Windows Mail is patched
    >> in Windows 7, as msoe.dll will be replaced each time. So in the future,
    >> anyone who is hacking Windows 7 by replacing msoe.dll from Vista, will
    >> continue to have to get the patched version of the Vista dll and replace
    >> it, as in this situation.
    >>
    >> steve
    >>
    >> MS-MVP
    >> Outlook Express / Windows Mail
    >>
    >>
    >> "Stubbo of Oz" <stubbo@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
    >> news:jsgsu5l7d91jqocpd5bvvjjh5llckhe49i@4ax.com...
    >>>I have been using Windows Mail (copied from Vista) in my Windows 7
    >>> computer for nearly 6 months without any problems.
    >>>
    >>> Now, since Windows update KB978542 was installed a couple of days ago
    >>> it has stopped working.
    >>>
    >>> It appears as a running program in Windows Task manager but the user
    >>> interface never appears.
    >>>
    >>> I have done a System Restore to before KB978542 and Windows Mail
    >>> started working OK again, Repeated this three time so I have no doubt
    >>> that it is KB978542 that has buggered it up.
    >>>
    >>> Has anyone else using Windows Mail in Windows 7 had this experience?
    >>>
    >>> Are MS purposely disabling Windows Mail in Windows 7 just to show us
    >>> that they can and to stop us using it?
    >>>
    >>> Oh well, I guess I will have to try #$&*(#$ Windows Live Mail again
    >>> :-(
    >>>
    >>> And before someone says "use Thunderbird" Ii don't like that either!!
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> --
    >>> ----------------
    >>> Stubbo of Oz
    >>> ----------------

    >
    > I am not having a problem with Windows Mail in Windows 7 64 bit after
    > applying KB978542, but upon checking I find that I have msoe.dll dated
    > 3/4/2010 size 1.582 KB. Is this an infected module?
    >
    > Bob
    >
     

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