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Upload/Download Speeds

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Frog

Flightless Bird
It's time for me to ask another one of my learning questions. Can
somebody tell me why my Upload and Download Speeds are different? I
currently have a Download speed of 35.9 Mbps and an Upload Speed of 26.9
Mbps. I think the speed must have to do with the motherboard chip speed
and/or settings. When I look in the Device Manager>Processors I see the
following:

Processors
Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6600 @ 2.40GHz
Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6600 @ 2.40GHz
Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6600 @ 2.40GHz
Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6600 @ 2.40GHz

I am using Windows XP Pro SP3.

I doubt that I would be able to tell the difference between 35.9 and
26.9 Mbps speed, but it just seems like they should be the same or
nearly the same. Again, this is a learning question--my system is fine
for now.


Thanks,
Frog
 
B

Big_Al

Flightless Bird
Frog said this on 6/6/2010 1:47 PM:
> It's time for me to ask another one of my learning questions. Can
> somebody tell me why my Upload and Download Speeds are different? I
> currently have a Download speed of 35.9 Mbps and an Upload Speed of 26.9
> Mbps. I think the speed must have to do with the motherboard chip speed
> and/or settings. When I look in the Device Manager>Processors I see the
> following:
>
> Processors
> Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6600 @ 2.40GHz
> Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6600 @ 2.40GHz
> Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6600 @ 2.40GHz
> Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6600 @ 2.40GHz
>
> I am using Windows XP Pro SP3.
>
> I doubt that I would be able to tell the difference between 35.9 and
> 26.9 Mbps speed, but it just seems like they should be the same or
> nearly the same. Again, this is a learning question--my system is fine
> for now.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Frog


I don't think your speeds have anything to do with your PC. I'm with
Verizon and I know they sell different combos at different prices.
When I started with them 3 years ago it was 15dwn/5up. Then it jumped
to 20/15 and I've now seen where you can get 100mb. Still, the point
is, my ISP regulates it. Not me. Of course I'm limited by my nic
card and/or wireless, and router etc etc etc. I use my laptop a ton
and when I have a lot of data to push, I hook up wired since my G
wireless maxes out before the line does.
 
D

DL

Flightless Bird
Its got nothing to do with Win, its dependent on your ISP

"Frog" <frog@pond.com> wrote in message
news:eavrDBaBLHA.4584@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> It's time for me to ask another one of my learning questions. Can
> somebody tell me why my Upload and Download Speeds are different? I
> currently have a Download speed of 35.9 Mbps and an Upload Speed of 26.9
> Mbps. I think the speed must have to do with the motherboard chip speed
> and/or settings. When I look in the Device Manager>Processors I see the
> following:
>
> Processors
> Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6600 @ 2.40GHz
> Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6600 @ 2.40GHz
> Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6600 @ 2.40GHz
> Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6600 @ 2.40GHz
>
> I am using Windows XP Pro SP3.
>
> I doubt that I would be able to tell the difference between 35.9 and 26.9
> Mbps speed, but it just seems like they should be the same or nearly the
> same. Again, this is a learning question--my system is fine for now.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Frog
 
C

choro

Flightless Bird
DL wrote:
> Its got nothing to do with Win, its dependent on your ISP
>
> "Frog" <frog@pond.com> wrote in message
> news:eavrDBaBLHA.4584@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> It's time for me to ask another one of my learning questions. Can
>> somebody tell me why my Upload and Download Speeds are different? I
>> currently have a Download speed of 35.9 Mbps and an Upload Speed of
>> 26.9 Mbps. I think the speed must have to do with the motherboard
>> chip speed and/or settings. When I look in the Device
>> Manager>Processors I see the following:
>>
>> Processors
>> Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6600 @ 2.40GHz
>> Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6600 @ 2.40GHz
>> Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6600 @ 2.40GHz
>> Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6600 @ 2.40GHz
>>
>> I am using Windows XP Pro SP3.
>>
>> I doubt that I would be able to tell the difference between 35.9 and
>> 26.9 Mbps speed, but it just seems like they should be the same or
>> nearly the same. Again, this is a learning question--my system is
>> fine for now. Thanks,
>> Frog


Download and Upload speeds are two different things. Ask your ISP for
details of the service you get but remember that what they will quote are
the MAXIMUM speeds under optimum conditions. That's again a different thing
to what you can achieve on your computer depending on other things such as
the time you connect to the service and how busy the lines are in your
neighborhood and the source you are accessing.

You will get faster access speeds in the small hours of the night which
might not exactly coincide with WHEN you want to access the service. ! ;-)
--
choro
*****
 
P

Paul

Flightless Bird
Frog wrote:
> It's time for me to ask another one of my learning questions. Can
> somebody tell me why my Upload and Download Speeds are different? I
> currently have a Download speed of 35.9 Mbps and an Upload Speed of 26.9
> Mbps. I think the speed must have to do with the motherboard chip speed
> and/or settings. When I look in the Device Manager>Processors I see the
> following:
>
> Processors
> Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6600 @ 2.40GHz
> Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6600 @ 2.40GHz
> Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6600 @ 2.40GHz
> Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6600 @ 2.40GHz
>
> I am using Windows XP Pro SP3.
>
> I doubt that I would be able to tell the difference between 35.9 and
> 26.9 Mbps speed, but it just seems like they should be the same or
> nearly the same. Again, this is a learning question--my system is fine
> for now.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Frog


Your headers say you're on FIOS.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fios

"* The lowest bandwidth tier was originally 5 Mbit/s down and 2 Mbit/s up
and is now 15 Mbit/s down and 5 Mbit/s up in most areas.
(bundled with FiOS TV Prime HD)

* A second tier is available with 25 Mbit/s download speed and
25 Mbit/s upload speed. (bundled with FiOS TV Extreme HD)

* A third (or higher) service tier, when available for residential service,
provides higher still bandwidth, in some areas reaching
30/15, 35/35 or 50/20 Mbit/s download and upload.
(bundled with FiOS TV Ultimate HD)"

So some of the plans are "equal" and some emphasize more download
than upload (suitable for consumer usage like streaming movie viewing).

If you're doing bandwidth testing, such as "is FIOS giving me what
I paid for" type testing, you should use a wired connection for that.
If any part of your setup is going to limit what you're currently
doing, it would be the wireless part of the setup. You'd want to
test with an Ethernet cable running to the FIOS box directly,
if you wanted to verify the absolute max the FIOS box can give.
If your $50 router box is in the path, or there is a mixed A/B/G/N
Wifi setup or the like, that might impact your results. Running an
Ethernet cable directly from the computer, to a wired port on the FIOS box,
eliminates any bottlenecks in your house. Wifi has variable
performance, which is why you wouldn't want it in the path
for any "absolute max" testing.

Paul
 
K

Ken Blake, MVP

Flightless Bird
On Sun, 06 Jun 2010 13:47:03 -0400, Frog <frog@pond.com> wrote:

> Can
> somebody tell me why my Upload and Download Speeds are different? I
> currently have a Download speed of 35.9 Mbps and an Upload Speed of 26.9
> Mbps.



The two speeds are what are provided by your ISP. The upload speed is
almost always considerably lower than the download speed.

What kind of internet service do you have? Both speeds are *very* high
(I'm jealous), and much closer to each other than is normal. For
example, my download speed is normally a little over 13 and my upload
speed a little under 3.5 (I use Comcast cable).


> I think the speed must have to do with the motherboard chip speed
> and/or settings.



No, not at all. Again the speeds are what your ISP provides, and have
nothing to do with your motherboard, Windows, or anything else like
those.




--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003
Please Reply to the Newsgroup
 
J

Jose

Flightless Bird
On Jun 6, 1:47 pm, Frog <f...@pond.com> wrote:
> It's time for me to ask another one of my learning questions.  Can
> somebody tell me why my Upload and Download Speeds are different?  I
> currently have a Download speed of 35.9 Mbps and an Upload Speed of 26.9
> Mbps.  I think the speed must have to do with the motherboard chip speed
> and/or settings.  When I look in the Device Manager>Processors I see the
> following:
>
> Processors
> Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU  Q6600 @ 2.40GHz
> Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU  Q6600 @ 2.40GHz
> Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU  Q6600 @ 2.40GHz
> Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU  Q6600 @ 2.40GHz
>
> I am using Windows XP Pro SP3.
>
> I doubt that I would be able to tell the difference between 35.9 and
> 26.9 Mbps speed, but it just seems like they should be the same or
> nearly the same.  Again, this is a learning question--my system is fine
> for now.
>
> Thanks,
> Frog


Call your ISP and tell them you want to confirm your upload and
download speeds versus what you are paying for.

You need to use what they use for testing so you both can see the same
thing.

Different ISPs use different methods, but you want to be sure you get
at least what you are paying for or better - or make them fix it or
charge you less.

I have Comcast and am paying for 12M download speed (I could get less
or more speed).

I used some Internet speed testing softwares, and never got what I
thought I should get (always too low!), so I called Comcast on it and
they said they use this for their testing:

www.speedtest.net

Click the triangle on the map, wait for results.

I was able to connect to some smart person in Technical Support on the
other end - this is very important to find the "right" person in
Technical Support. I am not talking about it working at sea level,
zero degrees centigrade in a vacuum either. I want it to work like
they say.

My download speed was 7.something and they says, well... it should be
about 12. I says, yeah - that's what I am paying for, so (please) fix
it.

They remotely reset this and that and told me to "try" many things
(and anyone will tell you that I am not a tryer) and finally they came
to my house one day and replaced every wire, cable and box from the
pole in the street to my computer. I was surprised they did not blow
me off. They seemed quite okay with it all - it was a lot of hot
work. They guy even gave me his pager number if I had more issues -
which I have not.

Now I am at 13.something download when I bother to check, which is
what I am paying for.

Here is another site for testing (there are many, but don't get your
computer infected with a bunch of "fix it now" gargabe).

http://www.bandwidth.com/tools/speedTest/
 
P

Patok

Flightless Bird
Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
> On Sun, 06 Jun 2010 13:47:03 -0400, Frog <frog@pond.com> wrote:
>
>> Can
>> somebody tell me why my Upload and Download Speeds are different? I
>> currently have a Download speed of 35.9 Mbps and an Upload Speed of 26.9
>> Mbps.

>
> What kind of internet service do you have? Both speeds are *very* high
> (I'm jealous), and much closer to each other than is normal. For
> example, my download speed is normally a little over 13 and my upload
> speed a little under 3.5 (I use Comcast cable).


He's on Verizon Fios, they have speeds like that. It's definitely
much better than Comcast, especially if you can get the Fios TV in
addition to the internet. I'm on the 25 up 25 down package, which tests
25 down 21 up on speedtest.net, he's on some other that I can't identify.

--
You'd be crazy to e-mail me with the crazy. But leave the div alone.
--
Whoever bans a book, shall be banished. Whoever burns a book, shall burn.
 
C

Chuck

Flightless Bird
On 6/6/2010 1:47 PM, Frog wrote:
> It's time for me to ask another one of my learning questions. Can
> somebody tell me why my Upload and Download Speeds are different? I
> currently have a Download speed of 35.9 Mbps and an Upload Speed of 26.9
> Mbps. I think the speed must have to do with the motherboard chip speed
> and/or settings. When I look in the Device Manager>Processors I see the
> following:
>
> Processors
> Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6600 @ 2.40GHz
> Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6600 @ 2.40GHz
> Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6600 @ 2.40GHz
> Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6600 @ 2.40GHz
>
> I am using Windows XP Pro SP3.
>
> I doubt that I would be able to tell the difference between 35.9 and
> 26.9 Mbps speed, but it just seems like they should be the same or
> nearly the same. Again, this is a learning question--my system is fine
> for now.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Frog


As every other reply mentioned, your ISP has the most influence on your
up/download speed.
Since your speeds are as high as they are, it's possible to tweak things
a bit. http://www.speedguide.net may be of help.
 
J

Jose

Flightless Bird
On Jun 6, 6:18 pm, Patok <crazy.div.pa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
> > On Sun, 06 Jun 2010 13:47:03 -0400, Frog <f...@pond.com> wrote:

>
> >> Can
> >> somebody tell me why my Upload and Download Speeds are different?  I
> >> currently have a Download speed of 35.9 Mbps and an Upload Speed of 26..9
> >> Mbps.

>
> > What kind of internet service do you have? Both speeds are *very* high
> > (I'm jealous), and much closer to each other than is normal. For
> > example, my download speed is normally a little over 13 and my upload
> > speed a little under 3.5 (I use Comcast cable).

>
>      He's on Verizon Fios, they have speeds like that. It's definitely
> much better than Comcast, especially if you can get the Fios TV in
> addition to the internet. I'm on the 25 up 25 down package, which tests
> 25 down 21 up on speedtest.net, he's on some other that I can't identify.
>
> --
> You'd be crazy to e-mail me with the crazy. But leave the div alone.
> --
> Whoever bans a book, shall be banished. Whoever burns a book, shall burn.




It doesn't matter what he's on :).

What matters is are you getting what you pay for and to find out, you
need to find out how the ISP measures things, measure your stuff the
same way and then decide what to do.

Until you know that, you don't know if you have a real problem that
you can do something about or a perceptual problem of expectations
exceeding reality.
 
K

Ken Blake, MVP

Flightless Bird
On Sun, 06 Jun 2010 18:18:23 -0400, Patok <crazy.div.patok@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
> > On Sun, 06 Jun 2010 13:47:03 -0400, Frog <frog@pond.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Can
> >> somebody tell me why my Upload and Download Speeds are different? I
> >> currently have a Download speed of 35.9 Mbps and an Upload Speed of 26.9
> >> Mbps.

> >
> > What kind of internet service do you have? Both speeds are *very* high
> > (I'm jealous), and much closer to each other than is normal. For
> > example, my download speed is normally a little over 13 and my upload
> > speed a little under 3.5 (I use Comcast cable).

>
> He's on Verizon Fios, they have speeds like that. It's definitely
> much better than Comcast, especially if you can get the Fios TV in
> addition to the internet. I'm on the 25 up 25 down package, which tests
> 25 down 21 up on speedtest.net, he's on some other that I can't identify.




I suspected that he was on FiOS, but I wanted to hear that from him,
if it's correct. I wish I could get FiOS where I'm located, but I
can't.


--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003
Please Reply to the Newsgroup
 
F

Frog

Flightless Bird
Re: Upload/Download Speeds (Reply to all who help on this subject.)

Frog wrote:
> It's time for me to ask another one of my learning questions. Can
> somebody tell me why my Upload and Download Speeds are different? I
> currently have a Download speed of 35.9 Mbps and an Upload Speed of 26.9
> Mbps. I think the speed must have to do with the motherboard chip speed
> and/or settings. When I look in the Device Manager>Processors I see the
> following:
>
> Processors
> Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6600 @ 2.40GHz
> Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6600 @ 2.40GHz
> Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6600 @ 2.40GHz
> Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6600 @ 2.40GHz
>
> I am using Windows XP Pro SP3.
>
> I doubt that I would be able to tell the difference between 35.9 and
> 26.9 Mbps speed, but it just seems like they should be the same or
> nearly the same. Again, this is a learning question--my system is fine
> for now.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Frog


Thank you very much for helping me understand the Upload/Download subject.

Yes, I am connected to Verizon FIOS - in fact, my TV, Internet,
Telephone, and cell phone are now all in one "bundled" package. I
received with this package another software package to add to my
computer - Verizon In-Home Agent. Included in this package is a way for
me to check my connection speed. In fact, if the system is not up to
speed, it will make the necessary adjustments to bring it up to speed.
It also has the capability to adjust my router for the new speed, the
boxes on my TV for optimum reception of streaming movies (something I
never use), a toolkit for finding/fixing FIOS related problems, and a
number of other such toys. I did check one of the recommended speed
check sites (non Verizon) and at that time the speed was almost the same
as noted by the Verizon software (approximately 1 Mbps faster
up/download speeds than I got using the Verizon software). I checked
the speed at 8:53 A.M. today and it was Download 35.9 and Upload 27.2.
I only have two desktop computers (one 98SE and the other XP Pro SP3),
and they are directly connected to a FIOS router. Both systems are
behaving just fine for now - and the speed is great. Another great
aspect of bundling all of my services together was the price - I will
save 20+ dollars each month over the cost I previously paid for each
individual service.

Thanks again for educating me once again. I will try to remember that
my Internet speed is determined by my ISP - not by my system.


Frog
 
T

Twayne

Flightless Bird
In news:eavrDBaBLHA.4584@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl,
Frog <frog@pond.com> typed:
> It's time for me to ask another one of my learning
> questions. Can somebody tell me why my Upload and Download
> Speeds are different? I currently have a Download speed of
> 35.9 Mbps and an Upload Speed of 26.9 Mbps. I think the
> speed must have to do with the motherboard chip speed
> and/or settings. When I look in the Device
> Manager>Processors I see the following:
> Processors
> Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6600 @ 2.40GHz
> Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6600 @ 2.40GHz
> Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6600 @ 2.40GHz
> Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6600 @ 2.40GHz
>
> I am using Windows XP Pro SP3.
>
> I doubt that I would be able to tell the difference between
> 35.9 and 26.9 Mbps speed, but it just seems like they should be the
> same or nearly the same. Again, this is a learning
> question--my system is fine for now.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Frog


The simplest answer is, it's designed to be that way. ISPs do not have
anything to do with setting those standards: their routers/gateways adhere
to a set of specs that's all, same as your router/gateway does. So no, the
up/download speeds are always different unless you get into FIOS and other
specialty setups where they are equalized (for a large fee of course).

Wikipedia is a good place to start learning the basics; look up DSL
connection to start out.

HTH,

Twayne`
 
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Paul

Flightless Bird
Twayne wrote:

>
> The simplest answer is, it's designed to be that way. ISPs do not have
> anything to do with setting those standards: their routers/gateways adhere
> to a set of specs that's all, same as your router/gateway does. So no, the
> up/download speeds are always different unless you get into FIOS and other
> specialty setups where they are equalized (for a large fee of course).
>
> Wikipedia is a good place to start learning the basics; look up DSL
> connection to start out.
>
> HTH,
>
> Twayne`


I think he's on FIOS though. If you're reading his post from USENET, and
you check his headers, he's on FIOS.

NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-173-69-212-232.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net

He's likely one of the 32 subscribers on a GPON.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verizon_FiOS

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive_optical_network

This slide deck has some pictures.

http://www.telcordia.com/services/testing/integrated-access/testing/itu_pon_past-present-future.ppt

Paul
 
A

apistomaster(nospam)

Flightless Bird
I am using clearwire.net so the speed is whatever it is at any givin
moment but the plan i am on is supposed to deliver up to 2Gb/sec
download and up to 35Mb upload,
Sometimes it exceeds the promised speeds and more often it doesn't.
Clearwire.net is a cellualr type system so their modem received via
air transmissions.
Sometimes I have higher upload speeds than download speeds. That
usually ends up in a call to their technical services and nearly
always a temporary improvement.
I use and clearwire.net uses www.speedtest.net tests/
The formal name of my clearwireservice is www.clearwire.com not to be
confused with Clear.com, their new 4 g wireless home srvice.

I no longer use my LinksysWRT54G router. It is a "g" band router and
cannot jandle high speed downloads like video.
I replaced it with a Linksys WRT610N wireless router and it transmits
with 3 anrennae on both "g" and "n" channels. I get the same speeds
wireless as I do when connected to their modem directly. Speeds are
almost entirely dependent upon how well your ISP is performing at any
particular moment.

Quest does not offer a package any faster than clearwire does in my
area but Cableone does offer some pretty high speeds for a lot more
money but I have a choice and I choose to have nothing to do with a
cable company.

The wireless "n" is much better than "g" but I have legacy devices
like wireless Brother MFC665CW AIO printer so dual channel wireless
router is nice but 2 of my 3 laptops are 64 bit Windows 7 Home Premium
with "n" wireless and one old laptop runs 32 bit Windows XP Home Media
Edition, sp 3 and is only wireless "g" capable.

If you want to enjoy high speed wireless you need to leave the world
of $50 wireless routers behind. The LinksysWRT610N even has a USB port
which I use to connect an External HD and I can back up any computer
on the network to the External HD or access any computer on the
network from any other but it does cost(~$180.00) to catch up with the
times and invest in the newer, more capable Windows 7 and "n" wireless
and much better wireless routers to enjoy the benefits of newer
technology and whatever speeds your ISP feels like actually delivering.
 
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