Upgrade Win7 H.P. to Pro

[Seth]

"Ken Blake" <kblake@this.is.invalid.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 17:56:16 -0400, "Seth"
> <sethNOSPAM@NOSPAMclcpro.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> "Ken Blake" <kblake@this.is.invalid.com> wrote in message
>> news:4nbj66hrjsp3jipkqqqmgnc8jk4mji0vl3@4ax.com...
>> > On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 147:29 -0500, "Dave" <davidj92@wowway.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> "Ken Blake" <kblake@this.is.invalid.com> wrote in message
>> >> news5fe66d3mlqf09251k762ta4caj866q1cn@4ax.com...
>> >> > On Sat, 14 Aug 2010 18:28:04 -0500, "Dave" <davidj92@wowway.com>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "JKConey" <jkconey@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:i445ac$drj$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > "Dave" <davidj92@wowway.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> > news:CaSdnTQj6Lpv5fnRnZ2dnUVZ_smdnZ2d@sigecom.net...
>> >> >> >> I'm running Win7 Home Premium and want to switch to
>> >> >> >> Professional.
>> >> >> >> Can
>> >> >> >> I
>> >> >> >> do this with an Win7 Pro Upgrade?
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> From what I understand it will network better than Home.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > No, not true. If you want to join a domain, yes, you need
>> >> > Professional. But for peer-to-peer networking, they are the same.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> I think my terminology is lacking, sorry for that. What I have is a
>> >> router
>> >> attached to my desktop and I wireless connect from my laptop and
>> >> iPhone.
>> >> The
>> >> router has a port I can plug a backup drive into, but I can't get it
>> >> to
>> >> work. I admit I may not have spent as much time on debugging as I
>> >> should,
>> >> and someone told me Professional would do this easily. Since I can get
>> >> it
>> >> really reasonable, I thought I'd give it a shot.
>> >
>> >
>> > What kind of port is this? Is this just a plain USB drive?
>> >
>> > Two points:
>> >
>> > 1. You can't just plug a plain USB drive into a router. You can plug
>> > in a drive with an ethernet connection that works as a network device.
>>
>> You can with certain routers that have provisions specifically for this
>> purpose. I've already responded to the OP asking for the make/model of
>> said
>> device so we can check it's specs and manual.
>
>
> Thanks. I don't know of any like that, but if you do, I'd appreciate
> your listing some of the make and model names.

The Linksys WRT160NL by Cisco mentioned by Carroll is one, the DLInk DI-624S
"was" another one. A few other companies make them as well.

>
>
>>
>> >
>> > 2. Windows 7 Home Premium and Professional should work exactly the
>> > same with this. I'm afraid that whoever told you differently is just
>> > incorrect.
>>
>> Yeah, I can't see why Pro would make a difference either, but maybe the
>> manual for the specific device could either shed some light or completely
>> dispel any thoughts to the contrary.
>>
>>
>>

 

[Seth]

"Sunny" <wombathouse@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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>
>
> AFAIK the "backup program" in Win7 is the same for Home and Pro.
> Why introduce a third bit of hardware into a backup regime?
> Just plug the USB external drive into the PC you want to backup and let it
> rip.

If you have multiple computers it's easier to have centrally shared storage
instead of moving it around and introduction unnecessary wear and tear into
the equation.

 

[Seth]

"Dave" <davidj92@wowway.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Seth" <sethNOSPAM@NOSPAMclcpro.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> "Ken Blake" <kblake@this.is.invalid.com> wrote in message
>> news:4nbj66hrjsp3jipkqqqmgnc8jk4mji0vl3@4ax.com...
>>> On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 147:29 -0500, "Dave" <davidj92@wowway.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Ken Blake" <kblake@this.is.invalid.com> wrote in message
>>>> news5fe66d3mlqf09251k762ta4caj866q1cn@4ax.com...
>>>> > On Sat, 14 Aug 2010 18:28:04 -0500, "Dave" <davidj92@wowway.com>
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >>
>>>> >> "JKConey" <jkconey@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>>> >> news:i445ac$drj$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > "Dave" <davidj92@wowway.com> wrote in message
>>>> >> > news:CaSdnTQj6Lpv5fnRnZ2dnUVZ_smdnZ2d@sigecom.net...
>>>> >> >> I'm running Win7 Home Premium and want to switch to Professional.
>>>> >> >> Can
>>>> >> >> I
>>>> >> >> do this with an Win7 Pro Upgrade?
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >>
>>>> >> From what I understand it will network better than Home.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > No, not true. If you want to join a domain, yes, you need
>>>> > Professional. But for peer-to-peer networking, they are the same.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> I think my terminology is lacking, sorry for that. What I have is a
>>>> router
>>>> attached to my desktop and I wireless connect from my laptop and
>>>> iPhone. The
>>>> router has a port I can plug a backup drive into, but I can't get it to
>>>> work. I admit I may not have spent as much time on debugging as I
>>>> should,
>>>> and someone told me Professional would do this easily. Since I can get
>>>> it
>>>> really reasonable, I thought I'd give it a shot.
>>>
>>>
>>> What kind of port is this? Is this just a plain USB drive?
>>>
>>> Two points:
>>>
>>> 1. You can't just plug a plain USB drive into a router. You can plug
>>> in a drive with an ethernet connection that works as a network device.
>>
>> You can with certain routers that have provisions specifically for this
>> purpose. I've already responded to the OP asking for the make/model of
>> said device so we can check it's specs and manual.
>>
>>>
>>> 2. Windows 7 Home Premium and Professional should work exactly the
>>> same with this. I'm afraid that whoever told you differently is just
>>> incorrect.
>>
>> Yeah, I can't see why Pro would make a difference either, but maybe the
>> manual for the specific device could either shed some light or completely
>> dispel any thoughts to the contrary.
>
> The router is a Belkin F58235-4 V2 and the port is USB. It is dedicated to
> a storage device like a backup drive. As I said before, I have not put a
> lot of time into trying to sort it out, mostly due to the fact I thought
> it would be plug-and-play if I installed Professional.

(I am going to assume you meant the F5D8235-4)

Checked the manual and I see no reason why Win7 Pro would make a difference
over the other flavors. You merely attach a USB storage device to the
router, install the "Storage Manager" application to at least 1 computer (so
you can configure it and assign a device name (what Windows would refer to
as a "share")) and then "map" drives to it from each PC you want to access
the device via the path \\router_IP\DeviceName (replacing "router_IP with
the router's address, 192.168.2.1 be default) and "DeviceName" with the
share as described above.

See page 22 of the PDF (page 20 of the manual)
http://cache-www.belkin.com/support/dl/man_f5d8235-4_pm00736_0708.pdf

 

[Dave]

"Seth" <sethNOSPAM@NOSPAMclcpro.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Dave" <davidj92@wowway.com> wrote in message
> news:Q_CdnQGkivtnsvfRnZ2dnUVZ_gydnZ2d@sigecom.net...
>>
>> "Seth" <sethNOSPAM@NOSPAMclcpro.com> wrote in message
>> news:i4cc3u$pk7$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>
>>> "Ken Blake" <kblake@this.is.invalid.com> wrote in message
>>> news:4nbj66hrjsp3jipkqqqmgnc8jk4mji0vl3@4ax.com...
>>>> On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 147:29 -0500, "Dave" <davidj92@wowway.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Ken Blake" <kblake@this.is.invalid.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news5fe66d3mlqf09251k762ta4caj866q1cn@4ax.com...
>>>>> > On Sat, 14 Aug 2010 18:28:04 -0500, "Dave" <davidj92@wowway.com>
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> "JKConey" <jkconey@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>>>> >> news:i445ac$drj$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > "Dave" <davidj92@wowway.com> wrote in message
>>>>> >> > news:CaSdnTQj6Lpv5fnRnZ2dnUVZ_smdnZ2d@sigecom.net...
>>>>> >> >> I'm running Win7 Home Premium and want to switch to
>>>>> >> >> Professional. Can
>>>>> >> >> I
>>>>> >> >> do this with an Win7 Pro Upgrade?
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> From what I understand it will network better than Home.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > No, not true. If you want to join a domain, yes, you need
>>>>> > Professional. But for peer-to-peer networking, they are the same.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>> I think my terminology is lacking, sorry for that. What I have is a
>>>>> router
>>>>> attached to my desktop and I wireless connect from my laptop and
>>>>> iPhone. The
>>>>> router has a port I can plug a backup drive into, but I can't get it
>>>>> to
>>>>> work. I admit I may not have spent as much time on debugging as I
>>>>> should,
>>>>> and someone told me Professional would do this easily. Since I can get
>>>>> it
>>>>> really reasonable, I thought I'd give it a shot.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What kind of port is this? Is this just a plain USB drive?
>>>>
>>>> Two points:
>>>>
>>>> 1. You can't just plug a plain USB drive into a router. You can plug
>>>> in a drive with an ethernet connection that works as a network device.
>>>
>>> You can with certain routers that have provisions specifically for this
>>> purpose. I've already responded to the OP asking for the make/model of
>>> said device so we can check it's specs and manual.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2. Windows 7 Home Premium and Professional should work exactly the
>>>> same with this. I'm afraid that whoever told you differently is just
>>>> incorrect.
>>>
>>> Yeah, I can't see why Pro would make a difference either, but maybe the
>>> manual for the specific device could either shed some light or
>>> completely dispel any thoughts to the contrary.
>>
>> The router is a Belkin F58235-4 V2 and the port is USB. It is dedicated
>> to a storage device like a backup drive. As I said before, I have not put
>> a lot of time into trying to sort it out, mostly due to the fact I
>> thought it would be plug-and-play if I installed Professional.
>
> (I am going to assume you meant the F5D8235-4)
>
> Checked the manual and I see no reason why Win7 Pro would make a
> difference over the other flavors. You merely attach a USB storage device
> to the router, install the "Storage Manager" application to at least 1
> computer (so you can configure it and assign a device name (what Windows
> would refer to as a "share")) and then "map" drives to it from each PC you
> want to access the device via the path \\router_IP\DeviceName (replacing
> "router_IP with the router's address, 192.168.2.1 be default) and
> "DeviceName" with the share as described above.
>
> See page 22 of the PDF (page 20 of the manual)
> http://cache-www.belkin.com/support/dl/man_f5d8235-4_pm00736_0708.pdf
>
>
>

Seth,
Thanks for the tips, I will just go ahead and install the Storage Manager
software, I was erroneously thinking, (and told by another person) that
upgrading to Pro would enable me to do this natively. It's probably a
simpler solution to go with the Storage Manager software than to do a
Windows upgrade anyway.
I will post results when I get it going as I saw others commenting they were
interested in this feature on other (their) routers.
Thanks again,
Dave

 

[Seth]

"Dave" <davidj92@wowway.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Seth" <sethNOSPAM@NOSPAMclcpro.com> wrote in message
> news:i4dqqi$1mo$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>
>> "Dave" <davidj92@wowway.com> wrote in message
>> news:Q_CdnQGkivtnsvfRnZ2dnUVZ_gydnZ2d@sigecom.net...
>>>
>>> "Seth" <sethNOSPAM@NOSPAMclcpro.com> wrote in message
>>> news:i4cc3u$pk7$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>
>>>> "Ken Blake" <kblake@this.is.invalid.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:4nbj66hrjsp3jipkqqqmgnc8jk4mji0vl3@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 147:29 -0500, "Dave" <davidj92@wowway.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Ken Blake" <kblake@this.is.invalid.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news5fe66d3mlqf09251k762ta4caj866q1cn@4ax.com...
>>>>>> > On Sat, 14 Aug 2010 18:28:04 -0500, "Dave" <davidj92@wowway.com>
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> "JKConey" <jkconey@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> >> news:i445ac$drj$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> > "Dave" <davidj92@wowway.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> >> > news:CaSdnTQj6Lpv5fnRnZ2dnUVZ_smdnZ2d@sigecom.net...
>>>>>> >> >> I'm running Win7 Home Premium and want to switch to
>>>>>> >> >> Professional. Can
>>>>>> >> >> I
>>>>>> >> >> do this with an Win7 Pro Upgrade?
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> From what I understand it will network better than Home.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > No, not true. If you want to join a domain, yes, you need
>>>>>> > Professional. But for peer-to-peer networking, they are the same.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think my terminology is lacking, sorry for that. What I have is a
>>>>>> router
>>>>>> attached to my desktop and I wireless connect from my laptop and
>>>>>> iPhone. The
>>>>>> router has a port I can plug a backup drive into, but I can't get it
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> work. I admit I may not have spent as much time on debugging as I
>>>>>> should,
>>>>>> and someone told me Professional would do this easily. Since I can
>>>>>> get it
>>>>>> really reasonable, I thought I'd give it a shot.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What kind of port is this? Is this just a plain USB drive?
>>>>>
>>>>> Two points:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. You can't just plug a plain USB drive into a router. You can plug
>>>>> in a drive with an ethernet connection that works as a network device.
>>>>
>>>> You can with certain routers that have provisions specifically for this
>>>> purpose. I've already responded to the OP asking for the make/model of
>>>> said device so we can check it's specs and manual.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. Windows 7 Home Premium and Professional should work exactly the
>>>>> same with this. I'm afraid that whoever told you differently is just
>>>>> incorrect.
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, I can't see why Pro would make a difference either, but maybe the
>>>> manual for the specific device could either shed some light or
>>>> completely dispel any thoughts to the contrary.
>>>
>>> The router is a Belkin F58235-4 V2 and the port is USB. It is dedicated
>>> to a storage device like a backup drive. As I said before, I have not
>>> put a lot of time into trying to sort it out, mostly due to the fact I
>>> thought it would be plug-and-play if I installed Professional.
>>
>> (I am going to assume you meant the F5D8235-4)
>>
>> Checked the manual and I see no reason why Win7 Pro would make a
>> difference over the other flavors. You merely attach a USB storage
>> device to the router, install the "Storage Manager" application to at
>> least 1 computer (so you can configure it and assign a device name (what
>> Windows would refer to as a "share")) and then "map" drives to it from
>> each PC you want to access the device via the path \\router_IP\DeviceName
>> (replacing "router_IP with the router's address, 192.168.2.1 be default)
>> and "DeviceName" with the share as described above.
>>
>> See page 22 of the PDF (page 20 of the manual)
>> http://cache-www.belkin.com/support/dl/man_f5d8235-4_pm00736_0708.pdf
>>
>>
>>
>
> Seth,
> Thanks for the tips, I will just go ahead and install the Storage Manager
> software, I was erroneously thinking, (and told by another person) that
> upgrading to Pro would enable me to do this natively. It's probably a
> simpler solution to go with the Storage Manager software than to do a
> Windows upgrade anyway.
> I will post results when I get it going as I saw others commenting they
> were interested in this feature on other (their) routers.

Yeah, the upgrade to Pro would have done nothing to further this activity.
It's simply a built in interface to turn a USB storage device into a poor
mans NAS.

 

[Roy Smith]

On 8/16/2010 24 PM, Dave wrote:
>
> "Sunny" <wombathouse@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
> news:0BG9o.3644$FH2.3314@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com...
>>
>> "Dave" <davidj92@wowway.com> wrote in message
>> news:lsWdnV5bDZQQu_rRnZ2dnUVZ_jmdnZ2d@sigecom.net...
>>>
>>> "JKConey" <jkconey@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>> news:i445ac$drj$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>
>>>> "Dave" <davidj92@wowway.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:CaSdnTQj6Lpv5fnRnZ2dnUVZ_smdnZ2d@sigecom.net...
>>>>> I'm running Win7 Home Premium and want to switch to Professional.
>>>>> Can I do this with an Win7 Pro Upgrade?
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Dave
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What's in Pro that you need?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> JK Sinrod
>>>> www.myconeyislandmemories.com
>>>
>>> From what I understand it will network better than Home. My printer
>>> works ok now, but I'm having trouble setting up a backup drive on my
>>> router so I can backup both desktop and laptop to it.
>>> Dave
>>
>> All you get "extra" in pro is ;
>> 1. Run WinXP applications in "WinXP Mode",
>> 2. Connect to *Company* networks more securely, and
>> 3. Auto backup to Home or Business Network.
>>
>> One thing I don't understand is your "backup desktop and Laptop to a
>> "Router" ?
>>
>> FWIW I have backed up two laptops (Win7 Home) and three Desktops
>> (WinXP and Win98SE) to a western digital external hard drive (And
>> scheduled monthly "update backups")
>> a. Used the Win7 "backup application" and burned a recovery disc, and
>> b. Used Acronis True image for the Desktop PCs
>>
>> The only lack of control was that the Win7 application did not give me
>> the option to backup to a "folder" of my choice, however, it does
>> create an image in the external hard drive, with the "Laptop Name" as
>> the identifying title.
>>
>> NB My "Workgroup" LAN (Ethernet for Desk tops and WiFi for the Win7
>> Laptops) through my DLink DIR-615, router works fine
>>
>
> I can backup fine from a USB port to a backup drive. My router has a
> port that I can plug a backup drive into and do incremental, full or
> selective backups. I can't seem to get it enabled to work right. Someone
> told me Professional would do this without any problems.
> Do you know if this is true?

Yes Dave Win 7 Pro is capable of creating it's backup files on a
networked drive and Win 7 Home cannot. One restriction is that Win 7
Pro will only make a full system image file and not an incremental
system image each time the backup program does it's thing. Though it
will make incremental backups of your user files (go figure).


--

Roy Smith
Windows 7 Professional
Thunderbird 3.1.2
Tuesday, August 17, 2010 8:25:20 PM

 

[Roy Smith]

On 8/17/2010 6:00 AM, Seth wrote:
>
> "Sunny" <wombathouse@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
> news:Qljao.3741$Yv.3014@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com...
>>
>>
>> AFAIK the "backup program" in Win7 is the same for Home and Pro.
>> Why introduce a third bit of hardware into a backup regime?
>> Just plug the USB external drive into the PC you want to backup and
>> let it rip.
>
> If you have multiple computers it's easier to have centrally shared
> storage instead of moving it around and introduction unnecessary wear
> and tear into the equation.

So true! I use a Western Digital My Book World 1TB NAS for backing up
all 3 of my PC's using True Image Home.



--

Roy Smith
Windows 7 Professional
Thunderbird 3.1.2
Tuesday, August 17, 2010 80:42 PM

 

[Roy Smith]

On 8/16/2010 49 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 147:29 -0500, "Dave" <davidj92@wowway.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> "Ken Blake" <kblake@this.is.invalid.com> wrote in message
>> news5fe66d3mlqf09251k762ta4caj866q1cn@4ax.com...
>>> On Sat, 14 Aug 2010 18:28:04 -0500, "Dave" <davidj92@wowway.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "JKConey" <jkconey@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:i445ac$drj$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Dave" <davidj92@wowway.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:CaSdnTQj6Lpv5fnRnZ2dnUVZ_smdnZ2d@sigecom.net...
>>>>>> I'm running Win7 Home Premium and want to switch to Professional. Can
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> do this with an Win7 Pro Upgrade?
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> From what I understand it will network better than Home.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> No, not true. If you want to join a domain, yes, you need
>>> Professional. But for peer-to-peer networking, they are the same.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I think my terminology is lacking, sorry for that. What I have is a router
>> attached to my desktop and I wireless connect from my laptop and iPhone. The
>> router has a port I can plug a backup drive into, but I can't get it to
>> work. I admit I may not have spent as much time on debugging as I should,
>> and someone told me Professional would do this easily. Since I can get it
>> really reasonable, I thought I'd give it a shot.
>
>
> What kind of port is this? Is this just a plain USB drive?
>
> Two points:
>
> 1. You can't just plug a plain USB drive into a router. You can plug
> in a drive with an ethernet connection that works as a network device.
>
>
> 2. Windows 7 Home Premium and Professional should work exactly the
> same with this. I'm afraid that whoever told you differently is just
> incorrect.

If I understand Dave correctly, the USB port on his router makes any
drive that's plugged into it available on the network for any PC on the
network to use. In essence it makes it appear to be a NAS device.
However there is a difference in the backup programs on Home and Pro
(and above) in that the Home Premium version is not capable of creating
backup files on a networked device. IF you open Help And Support and
search for "backup" then click on the line that says "Where should I
save my backup?" you'll see this in the network locations section:

You can only save your backups on a network location on Windows 7
Professional, Windows 7 Ultimate, and Windows 7 Enterprise


--

Roy Smith
Windows 7 Professional
Thunderbird 3.1.2
Tuesday, August 17, 2010 8:40:12 PM

 

[Roy Smith]

On 8/16/2010 59 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 17:56:16 -0400, "Seth"
> <sethNOSPAM@NOSPAMclcpro.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> "Ken Blake" <kblake@this.is.invalid.com> wrote in message
>> news:4nbj66hrjsp3jipkqqqmgnc8jk4mji0vl3@4ax.com...
>>> On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 147:29 -0500, "Dave" <davidj92@wowway.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Ken Blake" <kblake@this.is.invalid.com> wrote in message
>>>> news5fe66d3mlqf09251k762ta4caj866q1cn@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Sat, 14 Aug 2010 18:28:04 -0500, "Dave" <davidj92@wowway.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "JKConey" <jkconey@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:i445ac$drj$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Dave" <davidj92@wowway.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:CaSdnTQj6Lpv5fnRnZ2dnUVZ_smdnZ2d@sigecom.net...
>>>>>>>> I'm running Win7 Home Premium and want to switch to Professional.
>>>>>>>> Can
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> do this with an Win7 Pro Upgrade?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From what I understand it will network better than Home.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> No, not true. If you want to join a domain, yes, you need
>>>>> Professional. But for peer-to-peer networking, they are the same.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I think my terminology is lacking, sorry for that. What I have is a
>>>> router
>>>> attached to my desktop and I wireless connect from my laptop and iPhone.
>>>> The
>>>> router has a port I can plug a backup drive into, but I can't get it to
>>>> work. I admit I may not have spent as much time on debugging as I should,
>>>> and someone told me Professional would do this easily. Since I can get it
>>>> really reasonable, I thought I'd give it a shot.
>>>
>>>
>>> What kind of port is this? Is this just a plain USB drive?
>>>
>>> Two points:
>>>
>>> 1. You can't just plug a plain USB drive into a router. You can plug
>>> in a drive with an ethernet connection that works as a network device.
>>
>> You can with certain routers that have provisions specifically for this
>> purpose. I've already responded to the OP asking for the make/model of said
>> device so we can check it's specs and manual.
>
>
> Thanks. I don't know of any like that, but if you do, I'd appreciate
> your listing some of the make and model names.
>
>
>
>>
>>>
>>> 2. Windows 7 Home Premium and Professional should work exactly the
>>> same with this. I'm afraid that whoever told you differently is just
>>> incorrect.
>>
>> Yeah, I can't see why Pro would make a difference either, but maybe the
>> manual for the specific device could either shed some light or completely
>> dispel any thoughts to the contrary.

Here's one:

http://reviews.cnet.com/networking-...50n-wireless-router/4505-3243_7-32018493.html


--

Roy Smith
Windows 7 Professional
Thunderbird 3.1.2
Tuesday, August 17, 2010 8:47:09 PM

 

[Roy Smith]

On 8/16/2010 59 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 17:56:16 -0400, "Seth"
> <sethNOSPAM@NOSPAMclcpro.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> "Ken Blake" <kblake@this.is.invalid.com> wrote in message
>> news:4nbj66hrjsp3jipkqqqmgnc8jk4mji0vl3@4ax.com...
>>> On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 147:29 -0500, "Dave" <davidj92@wowway.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Ken Blake" <kblake@this.is.invalid.com> wrote in message
>>>> news5fe66d3mlqf09251k762ta4caj866q1cn@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Sat, 14 Aug 2010 18:28:04 -0500, "Dave" <davidj92@wowway.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "JKConey" <jkconey@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:i445ac$drj$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Dave" <davidj92@wowway.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:CaSdnTQj6Lpv5fnRnZ2dnUVZ_smdnZ2d@sigecom.net...
>>>>>>>> I'm running Win7 Home Premium and want to switch to Professional.
>>>>>>>> Can
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> do this with an Win7 Pro Upgrade?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From what I understand it will network better than Home.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> No, not true. If you want to join a domain, yes, you need
>>>>> Professional. But for peer-to-peer networking, they are the same.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I think my terminology is lacking, sorry for that. What I have is a
>>>> router
>>>> attached to my desktop and I wireless connect from my laptop and iPhone.
>>>> The
>>>> router has a port I can plug a backup drive into, but I can't get it to
>>>> work. I admit I may not have spent as much time on debugging as I should,
>>>> and someone told me Professional would do this easily. Since I can get it
>>>> really reasonable, I thought I'd give it a shot.
>>>
>>>
>>> What kind of port is this? Is this just a plain USB drive?
>>>
>>> Two points:
>>>
>>> 1. You can't just plug a plain USB drive into a router. You can plug
>>> in a drive with an ethernet connection that works as a network device.
>>
>> You can with certain routers that have provisions specifically for this
>> purpose. I've already responded to the OP asking for the make/model of said
>> device so we can check it's specs and manual.
>
>
> Thanks. I don't know of any like that, but if you do, I'd appreciate
> your listing some of the make and model names.
>
>
>
>>
>>>
>>> 2. Windows 7 Home Premium and Professional should work exactly the
>>> same with this. I'm afraid that whoever told you differently is just
>>> incorrect.
>>
>> Yeah, I can't see why Pro would make a difference either, but maybe the
>> manual for the specific device could either shed some light or completely
>> dispel any thoughts to the contrary.

Oh, forgot to mention the router that I use:

http://reviews.cnet.com/routers/cisco-linksys-e3000/4505-3319_7-34041744.html?tag=rnav


--

Roy Smith
Windows 7 Professional
Thunderbird 3.1.2
Tuesday, August 17, 2010 8:56:46 PM

 

[Ken Blake]

On Tue, 17 Aug 2010 20:40:25 -0500, Roy Smith <rasmith1959@live.com>
wrote:

> On 8/16/2010 49 PM, Ken Blake wrote:


> >> I think my terminology is lacking, sorry for that. What I have is a router
> >> attached to my desktop and I wireless connect from my laptop and iPhone. The
> >> router has a port I can plug a backup drive into, but I can't get it to
> >> work. I admit I may not have spent as much time on debugging as I should,
> >> and someone told me Professional would do this easily. Since I can get it
> >> really reasonable, I thought I'd give it a shot.
> >
> >
> > What kind of port is this? Is this just a plain USB drive?
> >
> > Two points:
> >
> > 1. You can't just plug a plain USB drive into a router. You can plug
> > in a drive with an ethernet connection that works as a network device.
> >
> >
> > 2. Windows 7 Home Premium and Professional should work exactly the
> > same with this. I'm afraid that whoever told you differently is just
> > incorrect.
>
> If I understand Dave correctly, the USB port on his router makes any
> drive that's plugged into it available on the network for any PC on the
> network to use. In essence it makes it appear to be a NAS device.
> However there is a difference in the backup programs on Home and Pro
> (and above) in that the Home Premium version is not capable of creating
> backup files on a networked device. IF you open Help And Support and
> search for "backup" then click on the line that says "Where should I
> save my backup?" you'll see this in the network locations section:
>
> You can only save your backups on a network location on Windows 7
> Professional, Windows 7 Ultimate, and Windows 7 Enterprise



Yes, what you say is true with regard to the Windows 7 backup program,
but not true with regard to backup programs in general.

But you are right, I could have made that much clearer in my reply.

 

[Dave]

"Roy Smith" <rasmith1959@live.com> wrote in message
news:bEGao.5178$Ph5.3253@en-nntp-07.dc1.easynews.com...
> On 8/16/2010 24 PM, Dave wrote:
>>
>> "Sunny" <wombathouse@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
>> news:0BG9o.3644$FH2.3314@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com...
>>>
>>> "Dave" <davidj92@wowway.com> wrote in message
>>> news:lsWdnV5bDZQQu_rRnZ2dnUVZ_jmdnZ2d@sigecom.net...
>>>>
>>>> "JKConey" <jkconey@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:i445ac$drj$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Dave" <davidj92@wowway.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:CaSdnTQj6Lpv5fnRnZ2dnUVZ_smdnZ2d@sigecom.net...
>>>>>> I'm running Win7 Home Premium and want to switch to Professional.
>>>>>> Can I do this with an Win7 Pro Upgrade?
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What's in Pro that you need?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> JK Sinrod
>>>>> www.myconeyislandmemories.com
>>>>
>>>> From what I understand it will network better than Home. My printer
>>>> works ok now, but I'm having trouble setting up a backup drive on my
>>>> router so I can backup both desktop and laptop to it.
>>>> Dave
>>>
>>> All you get "extra" in pro is ;
>>> 1. Run WinXP applications in "WinXP Mode",
>>> 2. Connect to *Company* networks more securely, and
>>> 3. Auto backup to Home or Business Network.
>>>
>>> One thing I don't understand is your "backup desktop and Laptop to a
>>> "Router" ?
>>>
>>> FWIW I have backed up two laptops (Win7 Home) and three Desktops
>>> (WinXP and Win98SE) to a western digital external hard drive (And
>>> scheduled monthly "update backups")
>>> a. Used the Win7 "backup application" and burned a recovery disc, and
>>> b. Used Acronis True image for the Desktop PCs
>>>
>>> The only lack of control was that the Win7 application did not give me
>>> the option to backup to a "folder" of my choice, however, it does
>>> create an image in the external hard drive, with the "Laptop Name" as
>>> the identifying title.
>>>
>>> NB My "Workgroup" LAN (Ethernet for Desk tops and WiFi for the Win7
>>> Laptops) through my DLink DIR-615, router works fine
>>>
>>
>> I can backup fine from a USB port to a backup drive. My router has a
>> port that I can plug a backup drive into and do incremental, full or
>> selective backups. I can't seem to get it enabled to work right. Someone
>> told me Professional would do this without any problems.
>> Do you know if this is true?
>
> Yes Dave Win 7 Pro is capable of creating it's backup files on a
> networked drive and Win 7 Home cannot. One restriction is that Win 7
> Pro will only make a full system image file and not an incremental
> system image each time the backup program does it's thing. Though it
> will make incremental backups of your user files (go figure).
>
>
> --
>
> Roy Smith
> Windows 7 Professional
> Thunderbird 3.1.2
> Tuesday, August 17, 2010 8:25:20 PM

Roy,
I appreciate your tip. If I understand you correctly, each time I do a
backup it will be a full backup unless I'm backing up just the files that
are under my username? If this is correct, when I do a full backup will I
have the choice to overwrite the previous backup or have both on the backup
drive?
Thanks,
Dave

 

[Roy Smith]

On 8/18/2010 1:25 AM, Dave wrote:
>
> "Roy Smith" <rasmith1959@live.com> wrote in message
> news:bEGao.5178$Ph5.3253@en-nntp-07.dc1.easynews.com...
>> On 8/16/2010 24 PM, Dave wrote:
>>>
>>> "Sunny" <wombathouse@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
>>> news:0BG9o.3644$FH2.3314@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com...
>>>>
>>>> "Dave" <davidj92@wowway.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:lsWdnV5bDZQQu_rRnZ2dnUVZ_jmdnZ2d@sigecom.net...
>>>>>
>>>>> "JKConey" <jkconey@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:i445ac$drj$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Dave" <davidj92@wowway.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:CaSdnTQj6Lpv5fnRnZ2dnUVZ_smdnZ2d@sigecom.net...
>>>>>>> I'm running Win7 Home Premium and want to switch to Professional.
>>>>>>> Can I do this with an Win7 Pro Upgrade?
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What's in Pro that you need?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> JK Sinrod
>>>>>> www.myconeyislandmemories.com
>>>>>
>>>>> From what I understand it will network better than Home. My printer
>>>>> works ok now, but I'm having trouble setting up a backup drive on my
>>>>> router so I can backup both desktop and laptop to it.
>>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>> All you get "extra" in pro is ;
>>>> 1. Run WinXP applications in "WinXP Mode",
>>>> 2. Connect to *Company* networks more securely, and
>>>> 3. Auto backup to Home or Business Network.
>>>>
>>>> One thing I don't understand is your "backup desktop and Laptop to a
>>>> "Router" ?
>>>>
>>>> FWIW I have backed up two laptops (Win7 Home) and three Desktops
>>>> (WinXP and Win98SE) to a western digital external hard drive (And
>>>> scheduled monthly "update backups")
>>>> a. Used the Win7 "backup application" and burned a recovery disc, and
>>>> b. Used Acronis True image for the Desktop PCs
>>>>
>>>> The only lack of control was that the Win7 application did not give me
>>>> the option to backup to a "folder" of my choice, however, it does
>>>> create an image in the external hard drive, with the "Laptop Name" as
>>>> the identifying title.
>>>>
>>>> NB My "Workgroup" LAN (Ethernet for Desk tops and WiFi for the Win7
>>>> Laptops) through my DLink DIR-615, router works fine
>>>>
>>>
>>> I can backup fine from a USB port to a backup drive. My router has a
>>> port that I can plug a backup drive into and do incremental, full or
>>> selective backups. I can't seem to get it enabled to work right. Someone
>>> told me Professional would do this without any problems.
>>> Do you know if this is true?
>>
>> Yes Dave Win 7 Pro is capable of creating it's backup files on a
>> networked drive and Win 7 Home cannot. One restriction is that Win 7
>> Pro will only make a full system image file and not an incremental
>> system image each time the backup program does it's thing. Though it
>> will make incremental backups of your user files (go figure).
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Roy Smith
>> Windows 7 Professional
>> Thunderbird 3.1.2
>> Tuesday, August 17, 2010 8:25:20 PM
>
> Roy,
> I appreciate your tip. If I understand you correctly, each time I do a
> backup it will be a full backup unless I'm backing up just the files
> that are under my username? If this is correct, when I do a full backup
> will I have the choice to overwrite the previous backup or have both on
> the backup drive?

When using a networked storage for saving your backups, it will do an
incremental backup of your user files, but will only keep the most
recent full system image file. It's because of this limitation that I
don't use the built in backup software and use Acronis instead.


--

Roy Smith
Windows 7 Professional
Thunderbird 3.1.2
Wednesday, August 18, 2010 51:56 AM

 

[Roy Smith]

On 8/17/2010 98 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Aug 2010 20:40:25 -0500, Roy Smith <rasmith1959@live.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 8/16/2010 49 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
>
>
>>>> I think my terminology is lacking, sorry for that. What I have is a router
>>>> attached to my desktop and I wireless connect from my laptop and iPhone. The
>>>> router has a port I can plug a backup drive into, but I can't get it to
>>>> work. I admit I may not have spent as much time on debugging as I should,
>>>> and someone told me Professional would do this easily. Since I can get it
>>>> really reasonable, I thought I'd give it a shot.
>>>
>>>
>>> What kind of port is this? Is this just a plain USB drive?
>>>
>>> Two points:
>>>
>>> 1. You can't just plug a plain USB drive into a router. You can plug
>>> in a drive with an ethernet connection that works as a network device.
>>>
>>>
>>> 2. Windows 7 Home Premium and Professional should work exactly the
>>> same with this. I'm afraid that whoever told you differently is just
>>> incorrect.
>>
>> If I understand Dave correctly, the USB port on his router makes any
>> drive that's plugged into it available on the network for any PC on the
>> network to use. In essence it makes it appear to be a NAS device.
>> However there is a difference in the backup programs on Home and Pro
>> (and above) in that the Home Premium version is not capable of creating
>> backup files on a networked device. IF you open Help And Support and
>> search for "backup" then click on the line that says "Where should I
>> save my backup?" you'll see this in the network locations section:
>>
>> You can only save your backups on a network location on Windows 7
>> Professional, Windows 7 Ultimate, and Windows 7 Enterprise
>
>
>
> Yes, what you say is true with regard to the Windows 7 backup program,
> but not true with regard to backup programs in general.
>
> But you are right, I could have made that much clearer in my reply.

Well since the OP was talking about the Win 7 backup program, I just
assumed you were too. Because of that limitation in the Win 7 backup
program I don't use it, instead I used Acronis True Image Home.


--

Roy Smith
Windows 7 Professional
Thunderbird 3.1.2
Wednesday, August 18, 2010 56:08 AM

 

[Ken Blake]

On Wed, 18 Aug 2010 056:13 -0500, Roy Smith <rasmith1959@live.com>
wrote:

> On 8/17/2010 98 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
> > On Tue, 17 Aug 2010 20:40:25 -0500, Roy Smith <rasmith1959@live.com>
> > wrote:
> >

> >> You can only save your backups on a network location on Windows 7
> >> Professional, Windows 7 Ultimate, and Windows 7 Enterprise
> >
> >
> >
> > Yes, what you say is true with regard to the Windows 7 backup program,
> > but not true with regard to backup programs in general.
> >
> > But you are right, I could have made that much clearer in my reply.
>
> Well since the OP was talking about the Win 7 backup program,


Yes, buried in an early message in the thread. I missed that
completely.


> I just
> assumed you were too. Because of that limitation in the Win 7 backup
> program I don't use it, instead I used Acronis True Image Home.


I think Acronis True Image is the best backup program available,
although personally most of my backing up is done with Windows Hone
Server.

 

[Roy Smith]

On 8/18/2010 10:06 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Aug 2010 056:13 -0500, Roy Smith <rasmith1959@live.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 8/17/2010 98 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
>>> On Tue, 17 Aug 2010 20:40:25 -0500, Roy Smith <rasmith1959@live.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>
>>>> You can only save your backups on a network location on Windows 7
>>>> Professional, Windows 7 Ultimate, and Windows 7 Enterprise
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, what you say is true with regard to the Windows 7 backup program,
>>> but not true with regard to backup programs in general.
>>>
>>> But you are right, I could have made that much clearer in my reply.
>>
>> Well since the OP was talking about the Win 7 backup program,
>
>
> Yes, buried in an early message in the thread. I missed that
> completely.
>
>
>> I just
>> assumed you were too. Because of that limitation in the Win 7 backup
>> program I don't use it, instead I used Acronis True Image Home.
>
>
> I think Acronis True Image is the best backup program available,
> although personally most of my backing up is done with Windows Hone
> Server.

Wow... is that for really sharp files?


--

Roy Smith
Windows 7 Professional
Thunderbird 3.1.2
Wednesday, August 18, 2010 5:489 PM

 

[Sunny]

"Roy Smith" <rasmith1959@live.com> wrote in message
news:xEOao.53521$pX3.8074@en-nntp-11.dc1.easynews.com...
<snip>
> When using a networked storage for saving your backups, it will do an
> incremental backup of your user files, but will only keep the most
> recent full system image file. It's because of this limitation that I
> don't use the built in backup software and use Acronis instead.

This thread prompted me to read everything that I could, about the Win7
backup program (At Microsoft)

The inability to incremental backup of the op system, has convinced me to
install Acronis on the Netbooks and use that instead of the Microsoft
backup. (Microsoft is vague on details about "overwriting" the original
system image file)

Did Microsoft write the software, or is it a third party version of
something ?

 

[Ken Blake]

On Wed, 18 Aug 2010 17:48:43 -0500, Roy Smith <rasmith1959@live.com>
wrote:

> On 8/18/2010 10:06 AM, Ken Blake wrote:


> > I think Acronis True Image is the best backup program available,
> > although personally most of my backing up is done with Windows Hone
> > Server.
>
> Wow... is that for really sharp files?


LOL! I reread this about half a dozen times before I saw my typo and
got your joke.

Yes, "hone" should be "home." My spell checker didn't catch it.

 

[Geordie]

On Wed, 18 Aug 2010 16:26:43 -0700, Ken Blake
<kblake@this.is.invalid.com> compiled the following:

<snip>
>LOL! I reread this about half a dozen times before I saw my typo and
>got your joke.
>
>Yes, "hone" should be "home." My spell checker didn't catch it.

As "hone" is a genuine word, your spell checker wouldn't need to catch
it.
--
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[Ken Blake]

On Thu, 19 Aug 2010 07:26:57 +0100, Geordie
<geordiemac@hotmail.invalid.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 18 Aug 2010 16:26:43 -0700, Ken Blake
> <kblake@this.is.invalid.com> compiled the following:
>
> <snip>
> >LOL! I reread this about half a dozen times before I saw my typo and
> >got your joke.
> >
> >Yes, "hone" should be "home." My spell checker didn't catch it.
>
> As "hone" is a genuine word, your spell checker wouldn't need to catch
> it.


Of course; that was my point. Sorry I didn't make it clearer.