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System restore points

Discussion in 'Windows XP' started by Bobbi, Jul 24, 2010.

  1. Bobbi

    Bobbi Flightless Bird

    My system is creating restore points labelled "Software Distribution Service
    3.0". How can I find out what that is? I don't think it's my security
    software downloading updates because the time doesn't correspond to the time
    of today's update, and my system updates aren't installed automatically.

    Bobbi Gold
     
  2. Pegasus [MVP]

    Pegasus [MVP] Flightless Bird

    "Bobbi" <bobbi@example.invalid> wrote in message
    news:uhHKGt7KLHA.4120@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
    > My system is creating restore points labelled "Software Distribution
    > Service 3.0". How can I find out what that is? I don't think it's my
    > security software downloading updates because the time doesn't correspond
    > to the time of today's update, and my system updates aren't installed
    > automatically.
    >
    > Bobbi Gold


    Google is a wonderful thing. When you type

    "Software Distribution Service 3.0"

    into a Google search box then you get (amongst other things) this intriguing
    link: http://forums.techarena.in/windows-update/856021.htm.
     
  3. Jose

    Jose Flightless Bird

    On Jul 25, 1:36 am, "Bobbi" <bo...@example.invalid> wrote:
    > My system is creating restore points labelled "Software Distribution Service
    > 3.0". How can I find out what that is? I don't think it's my security
    > software downloading updates because the time doesn't correspond to the time
    > of today's update, and my system updates aren't installed automatically.
    >
    > Bobbi Gold


    That is what it is supposed to do - when you get/install an update
    from Microsoft.

    If you want to figure out what the reason behind the Restore Point
    (what was updated), you can look in your WindowsUpdate.log file, you
    can look in Add/Remove Programs (enable Show Updates), you could go to
    the Microsoft update page and view your update history...
     
  4. PA Bear [MS MVP]

    PA Bear [MS MVP] Flightless Bird

    A restore point of that name is created whenever you install a Windows
    Update.

    Bobbi wrote:
    > My system is creating restore points labelled "Software Distribution
    > Service
    > 3.0". How can I find out what that is? I don't think it's my security
    > software downloading updates because the time doesn't correspond to the
    > time
    > of today's update, and my system updates aren't installed automatically.
    >
    > Bobbi Gold
     
  5. RT

    RT Flightless Bird

    The trouble with the way System Restore works is that eventually the early
    ones get overwritten :-((

    Is there any way of keeping a few really good ones?
    e.g. after a clean reinstall and a day or six of putting software back on
    and getting it all set up hunky dory?

    Is there a way of increasing the amount of room allocated, apart from the
    one offered?
    (I have a spare 80 gig drive that I would happily devote to restore points
    if it meant that I could keep them all.

    RT


    "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:%238cEe3ALLHA.1996@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
    >A restore point of that name is created whenever you install a Windows
    >Update.
    >
    > Bobbi wrote:
    >> My system is creating restore points labelled "Software Distribution
    >> Service
    >> 3.0". How can I find out what that is? I don't think it's my security
    >> software downloading updates because the time doesn't correspond to the
    >> time
    >> of today's update, and my system updates aren't installed automatically.
    >>
    >> Bobbi Gold

    >
     
  6. Peter

    Peter Flightless Bird

    On 07/25/2010 08:57 PM, RT wrote:
    > The trouble with the way System Restore works is that eventually the early
    > ones get overwritten :-((
    >
    > Is there any way of keeping a few really good ones?
    > e.g. after a clean reinstall and a day or six of putting software back on
    > and getting it all set up hunky dory?
    >
    > Is there a way of increasing the amount of room allocated, apart from the
    > one offered?
    > (I have a spare 80 gig drive that I would happily devote to restore points
    > if it meant that I could keep them all.
    >
    > RT


    You should check out imaging your install. Win 7 comes with it built-in
    and there are programs like Acronis for XP. Restore points are a way to
    keep XP hobbling until you have the time to clean install it. You could
    use your spare 80 gig drive to store images. I would put it in an
    external case and connect via USB rather than slave it.

    --
    Peter
     
  7. Bill in Co

    Bill in Co Flightless Bird

    Peter wrote:
    > On 07/25/2010 08:57 PM, RT wrote:
    >> The trouble with the way System Restore works is that eventually the
    >> early
    >> ones get overwritten :-((
    >>
    >> Is there any way of keeping a few really good ones?
    >> e.g. after a clean reinstall and a day or six of putting software back on
    >> and getting it all set up hunky dory?
    >>
    >> Is there a way of increasing the amount of room allocated, apart from the
    >> one offered?
    >> (I have a spare 80 gig drive that I would happily devote to restore
    >> points
    >> if it meant that I could keep them all.
    >>
    >> RT

    >
    > You should check out imaging your install. Win 7 comes with it built-in
    > and there are programs like Acronis for XP. Restore points are a way to
    > keep XP hobbling until you have the time to clean install it. You could
    > use your spare 80 gig drive to store images. I would put it in an
    > external case and connect via USB rather than slave it.
    >
    > --
    > Peter


    Agreed - this is a much better idea, and the only real way to have perfect
    system backups (and/or disk cloning). Storing a large collection of
    System Restore points for that purpose wasn't the intended design of System
    Restore, nor is it as complete or incident free, either.

    I use a backup drive to store several generational images of my C:
    partition, which I create using Acronis True Image. The only disadvantage
    of this approach is that the backup images are naturally larger than just
    system restore points, of course, because they backup the entire partition,
    but that is also their advantage (i.e., perfect restoration capability)
     
  8. RT

    RT Flightless Bird

    "Bill in Co" <surly_curmudgeon@earthlink.net> wrote in message
    news:-eGdnW89QOwVAdHRnZ2dnUVZ_uednZ2d@earthlink.com...
    > Peter wrote:
    >> On 07/25/2010 08:57 PM, RT wrote:
    >>> The trouble with the way System Restore works is that eventually the
    >>> early
    >>> ones get overwritten :-((
    >>>
    >>> Is there any way of keeping a few really good ones?
    >>> e.g. after a clean reinstall and a day or six of putting software back
    >>> on
    >>> and getting it all set up hunky dory?
    >>>
    >>> Is there a way of increasing the amount of room allocated, apart from
    >>> the
    >>> one offered?
    >>> (I have a spare 80 gig drive that I would happily devote to restore
    >>> points
    >>> if it meant that I could keep them all.
    >>>
    >>> RT

    >>
    >> You should check out imaging your install. Win 7 comes with it built-in
    >> and there are programs like Acronis for XP. Restore points are a way to
    >> keep XP hobbling until you have the time to clean install it. You could
    >> use your spare 80 gig drive to store images. I would put it in an
    >> external case and connect via USB rather than slave it.
    >>
    >> --
    >> Peter

    >
    > Agreed - this is a much better idea, and the only real way to have perfect
    > system backups (and/or disk cloning). Storing a large collection of
    > System Restore points for that purpose wasn't the intended design of
    > System Restore, nor is it as complete or incident free, either.
    >
    > I use a backup drive to store several generational images of my C:
    > partition, which I create using Acronis True Image. The only disadvantage
    > of this approach is that the backup images are naturally larger than just
    > system restore points, of course, because they backup the entire
    > partition, but that is also their advantage (i.e., perfect restoration
    > capability)


    Hellfire!!!
    My C drive is already heaving with 65 gig of used space.....

    OK I'm apparently doing it all wrong.

    I should nave kept drive/partition C for the operating system and had all my
    added software elsewhere, is that right?
    How can I rectify this, assuming that this is the way to go?
    I cant face _another_ reinstall, less than 4 weeks after the last one.

    I am using XP Pro BTW.

    RT
     
  9. Pegasus [MVP]

    Pegasus [MVP] Flightless Bird

    "RT" <zulu.romeotangohotel@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
    news:uYYqj9DLLHA.4780@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
    >
    > "Bill in Co" <surly_curmudgeon@earthlink.net> wrote in message
    > news:-eGdnW89QOwVAdHRnZ2dnUVZ_uednZ2d@earthlink.com...
    >> Peter wrote:
    >>> On 07/25/2010 08:57 PM, RT wrote:
    >>>> The trouble with the way System Restore works is that eventually the
    >>>> early
    >>>> ones get overwritten :-((
    >>>>
    >>>> Is there any way of keeping a few really good ones?
    >>>> e.g. after a clean reinstall and a day or six of putting software back
    >>>> on
    >>>> and getting it all set up hunky dory?
    >>>>
    >>>> Is there a way of increasing the amount of room allocated, apart from
    >>>> the
    >>>> one offered?
    >>>> (I have a spare 80 gig drive that I would happily devote to restore
    >>>> points
    >>>> if it meant that I could keep them all.
    >>>>
    >>>> RT
    >>>
    >>> You should check out imaging your install. Win 7 comes with it built-in
    >>> and there are programs like Acronis for XP. Restore points are a way to
    >>> keep XP hobbling until you have the time to clean install it. You could
    >>> use your spare 80 gig drive to store images. I would put it in an
    >>> external case and connect via USB rather than slave it.
    >>>
    >>> --
    >>> Peter

    >>
    >> Agreed - this is a much better idea, and the only real way to have
    >> perfect system backups (and/or disk cloning). Storing a large
    >> collection of System Restore points for that purpose wasn't the intended
    >> design of System Restore, nor is it as complete or incident free, either.
    >>
    >> I use a backup drive to store several generational images of my C:
    >> partition, which I create using Acronis True Image. The only
    >> disadvantage of this approach is that the backup images are naturally
    >> larger than just system restore points, of course, because they backup
    >> the entire partition, but that is also their advantage (i.e., perfect
    >> restoration capability)

    >
    > Hellfire!!!
    > My C drive is already heaving with 65 gig of used space.....
    >
    > OK I'm apparently doing it all wrong.
    >
    > I should nave kept drive/partition C for the operating system and had all
    > my added software elsewhere, is that right?
    > How can I rectify this, assuming that this is the way to go?
    > I cant face _another_ reinstall, less than 4 weeks after the last one.
    >
    > I am using XP Pro BTW.
    >
    > RT
    >


    My preference is to store the OS and all applications on drive C: and keep
    all user data on drive D: There are several reasons for this:
    - User data is easier to back up because it resides on its own drive.
    - Drive C: can be kept small because it stores neglible amounts of data. 20
    GBytes for Windows XP is ample.
    - When using an imaging program, it is easy to create an image of drive C:
    and park it on drive D:.
    - When restoring an image, user data is not affected.

    65 GBytes on drive C: appears very large unless this is where you store your
    personal files.
     
  10. Bobbi

    Bobbi Flightless Bird

    Hi, PA Bear-
    That's what I would have guessed if my system automatically downloaded and
    installed updates but it doesn't. It's set to notify only, and I download
    and install them only after I check them out, which is definitely not as
    often as these restore points appear.
    -Bobbi


    "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:%238cEe3ALLHA.1996@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
    >A restore point of that name is created whenever you install a Windows
    >Update.
    >
    > Bobbi wrote:
    >> My system is creating restore points labelled "Software Distribution
    >> Service
    >> 3.0". How can I find out what that is? I don't think it's my security
    >> software downloading updates because the time doesn't correspond to the
    >> time
    >> of today's update, and my system updates aren't installed automatically.
    >>
    >> Bobbi Gold

    >
     
  11. Daave

    Daave Flightless Bird

    Do you run ZoneAlarm by any chance?

    Bobbi wrote:
    > Hi, PA Bear-
    > That's what I would have guessed if my system automatically
    > downloaded and installed updates but it doesn't. It's set to notify
    > only, and I download and install them only after I check them out,
    > which is definitely not as often as these restore points appear.
    > -Bobbi
    >
    >
    > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:%238cEe3ALLHA.1996@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
    >> A restore point of that name is created whenever you install a
    >> Windows Update.
    >>
    >> Bobbi wrote:
    >>> My system is creating restore points labelled "Software Distribution
    >>> Service
    >>> 3.0". How can I find out what that is? I don't think it's my
    >>> security software downloading updates because the time doesn't
    >>> correspond to the time
    >>> of today's update, and my system updates aren't installed
    >>> automatically. Bobbi Gold
     
  12. Bill in Co

    Bill in Co Flightless Bird

    RT wrote:
    > "Bill in Co" <surly_curmudgeon@earthlink.net> wrote in message
    > news:-eGdnW89QOwVAdHRnZ2dnUVZ_uednZ2d@earthlink.com...
    >> Peter wrote:
    >>> On 07/25/2010 08:57 PM, RT wrote:
    >>>> The trouble with the way System Restore works is that eventually the
    >>>> early ones get overwritten :-((
    >>>>
    >>>> Is there any way of keeping a few really good ones?
    >>>> e.g. after a clean reinstall and a day or six of putting software back
    >>>> on and getting it all set up hunky dory?
    >>>>
    >>>> Is there a way of increasing the amount of room allocated, apart from
    >>>> the one offered?
    >>>> (I have a spare 80 gig drive that I would happily devote to restore
    >>>> points if it meant that I could keep them all.
    >>>>
    >>>> RT
    >>>
    >>> You should check out imaging your install. Win 7 comes with it built-in
    >>> and there are programs like Acronis for XP. Restore points are a way to
    >>> keep XP hobbling until you have the time to clean install it. You could
    >>> use your spare 80 gig drive to store images. I would put it in an
    >>> external case and connect via USB rather than slave it.
    >>>
    >>> --
    >>> Peter

    >>
    >> Agreed - this is a much better idea, and the only real way to have
    >> perfect
    >> system backups (and/or disk cloning). Storing a large collection of
    >> System Restore points for that purpose wasn't the intended design of
    >> System Restore, nor is it as complete or incident free, either.
    >>
    >> I use a backup drive to store several generational images of my C:
    >> partition, which I create using Acronis True Image. The only
    >> disadvantage
    >> of this approach is that the backup images are naturally larger than just
    >> system restore points, of course, because they backup the entire
    >> partition, but that is also their advantage (i.e., perfect restoration
    >> capability)

    >
    > Hellfire!!!
    > My C drive is already heaving with 65 gig of used space.....


    THAT is a LOT!! You must have a bunch of other stuff on that partition
    (like music and video and photo files), which don't have to be there. If
    so, you could move all of those to another partition. My C: partition,
    after all these years, is currently at about 20 GB (used for windows and
    programs, and most of the regular user data, but NOT the large stuff I
    mentioned above).

    > OK I'm apparently doing it all wrong.
    >
    > I should nave kept drive/partition C for the operating system and had all
    > my
    > added software elsewhere, is that right?


    Not really, IMO. It's best to install the programs on the same C:
    partition as windows, and keep that part (windows and programs) all
    together, so that when you do a backup and restore operation, you can get it
    ALL back - completely intact. (a lot of the program and windows data is, by
    design, stored in the C:/Program Files and the \Application Data
    directories, and it makes sense to keep it that way, for a successful backup
    and restore operation, if needed.

    However, for stuff like large music and video and photo files, etc, there is
    no such need. And by removing that and splitting it up this way, I'd be
    surprised if your C: partition would be have more than 20 GB of actual data.

    > How can I rectify this, assuming that this is the way to go?
    > I cant face _another_ reinstall, less than 4 weeks after the last one.
    >
    > I am using XP Pro BTW.
    >
    > RT


    Well, if you've stored everything on C: and can't just move some huge video
    and photo files out to another partition to greatly reduce what's on C:,
    short of a reinstall, I don't see another great option.

    Except, perhaps, to use ERUNT, which can back up (and restore) just the
    windows registry (so it's not even as complete as System Restore). You can
    google ERUNT if that sounds interesting, but it's still only a halfway
    measure.
     
  13. Bobbi

    Bobbi Flightless Bird

    No, no Zone Alarm.
    And do these automatic restore points get generated BEFORE the updates are
    (supposedly) installed or after?
    -Bobbi

    "Daave" <daave@example.com> wrote in message
    news:%23K0dLVGLLHA.6128@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
    > Do you run ZoneAlarm by any chance?
    >
    > Bobbi wrote:
    >> Hi, PA Bear-
    >> That's what I would have guessed if my system automatically
    >> downloaded and installed updates but it doesn't. It's set to notify
    >> only, and I download and install them only after I check them out,
    >> which is definitely not as often as these restore points appear.
    >> -Bobbi
    >>
    >>
    >> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
    >> news:%238cEe3ALLHA.1996@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
    >>> A restore point of that name is created whenever you install a
    >>> Windows Update.
    >>>
    >>> Bobbi wrote:
    >>>> My system is creating restore points labelled "Software Distribution
    >>>> Service
    >>>> 3.0". How can I find out what that is? I don't think it's my
    >>>> security software downloading updates because the time doesn't
    >>>> correspond to the time
    >>>> of today's update, and my system updates aren't installed
    >>>> automatically. Bobbi Gold

    >
    >
     
  14. Daave

    Daave Flightless Bird

    Bobbi wrote:

    > do these automatic restore points get generated BEFORE the
    > updates are (supposedly) installed or after?


    The Software Distribution Service 3.0 RP is the last one (i.e., most
    recent) in the list. I doubt another RP is immediately generated. At
    least, that's my understanding. :)
     
  15. Bobbi

    Bobbi Flightless Bird

    Well, I have a couple of weeks of restore points (one per day) all labelled
    Software Distribution Service 3.0. I have not done any windows updates
    during that time except for MS Security Essentials once. Could it be that
    all these restore points are being caused by MSE doing its daily updates?
    -Bobbi.

    "Daave" <daave@example.com> wrote in message
    news:uKshRweLLHA.3496@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
    > Bobbi wrote:
    >
    >> do these automatic restore points get generated BEFORE the
    >> updates are (supposedly) installed or after?

    >
    > The Software Distribution Service 3.0 RP is the last one (i.e., most
    > recent) in the list. I doubt another RP is immediately generated. At
    > least, that's my understanding. :)
    >
     
  16. Daave

    Daave Flightless Bird

    Perhaps. (Sorry, that's all I got! I don't use MSE.)

    Bobbi wrote:
    > Well, I have a couple of weeks of restore points (one per day) all
    > labelled Software Distribution Service 3.0. I have not done any
    > windows updates during that time except for MS Security Essentials
    > once. Could it be that all these restore points are being caused by
    > MSE doing its daily updates? -Bobbi.
    >
    > "Daave" <daave@example.com> wrote in message
    > news:uKshRweLLHA.3496@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
    >> Bobbi wrote:
    >>
    >>> do these automatic restore points get generated BEFORE the
    >>> updates are (supposedly) installed or after?

    >>
    >> The Software Distribution Service 3.0 RP is the last one (i.e., most
    >> recent) in the list. I doubt another RP is immediately generated. At
    >> least, that's my understanding. :)
     
  17. PA Bear [MS MVP]

    PA Bear [MS MVP] Flightless Bird

    Does MSE update Windows Update (tunnel)? [Yes.]

    MSE Support Forums
    http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/category/mse


    Bobbi wrote:
    > Well, I have a couple of weeks of restore points (one per day) all
    > labelled
    > Software Distribution Service 3.0. I have not done any windows updates
    > during that time except for MS Security Essentials once. Could it be that
    > all these restore points are being caused by MSE doing its daily updates?
     
  18. PA Bear [MS MVP]

    PA Bear [MS MVP] Flightless Bird

    [TYPO CORRECTED]

    PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
    > Does MSE update [VIA THE] Windows Update (tunnel)? [Yes.]
    >
    > MSE Support Forums
    > http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/category/mse
    >
    >
    > Bobbi wrote:
    >> Well, I have a couple of weeks of restore points (one per day) all
    >> labelled
    >> Software Distribution Service 3.0. I have not done any windows updates
    >> during that time except for MS Security Essentials once. Could it be that
    >> all these restore points are being caused by MSE doing its daily updates?
     
  19. Bobbi

    Bobbi Flightless Bird

    Thanks, PA Bear! Finally, an answer after lots of irrelevant postings.
    So my other question is, is the automatic restore point created BEFORE the
    update? (I'd hope so).
    -Bobbi



    "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:-Oi$esgzLLHA.1868@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
    > [TYPO CORRECTED]
    >
    > PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
    >> Does MSE update [VIA THE] Windows Update (tunnel)? [Yes.]
    >>
    >> MSE Support Forums
    >> http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/category/mse
    >>
    >>
    >> Bobbi wrote:
    >>> Well, I have a couple of weeks of restore points (one per day) all
    >>> labelled
    >>> Software Distribution Service 3.0. I have not done any windows updates
    >>> during that time except for MS Security Essentials once. Could it be
    >>> that
    >>> all these restore points are being caused by MSE doing its daily
    >>> updates?

    >
     
  20. Unknown

    Unknown Flightless Bird

    Yes, common sense.
    "Bobbi" <bobbi@example.invalid> wrote in message
    news:%23QD2lw0LLHA.4120@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
    > Thanks, PA Bear! Finally, an answer after lots of irrelevant postings.
    > So my other question is, is the automatic restore point created BEFORE the
    > update? (I'd hope so).
    > -Bobbi
    >
    >
    >
    > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:-Oi$esgzLLHA.1868@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
    >> [TYPO CORRECTED]
    >>
    >> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
    >>> Does MSE update [VIA THE] Windows Update (tunnel)? [Yes.]
    >>>
    >>> MSE Support Forums
    >>> http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/category/mse
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> Bobbi wrote:
    >>>> Well, I have a couple of weeks of restore points (one per day) all
    >>>> labelled
    >>>> Software Distribution Service 3.0. I have not done any windows updates
    >>>> during that time except for MS Security Essentials once. Could it be
    >>>> that
    >>>> all these restore points are being caused by MSE doing its daily
    >>>> updates?

    >>

    >
    >
     

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