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System Restore all off, still creating restore points on 2nd parti

Discussion in 'Windows XP' started by WB, Feb 10, 2010.

  1. WB

    WB Flightless Bird

    Although we have System Restore turned off on all drives, restore points are
    still being created on the secondary partitions.

    The OS partiton is drive C, NTFS. The secondary partition is drive D, FAT32.

    The restore points are being created when applications (i.e. DirectX,
    WinDVD, etc.) are installed from the second partition (drive D). We must
    install these from a secondary partition.

    What are we missing? These restore points are filling up our drives.

    Also, I thought System Restore wouldn't work on FAT32 drives?

    Thanks,
    --
    Bill Baker
     
  2. Rich Barry

    Rich Barry Flightless Bird

    Bill, I use two drives both formatted FAT32 and when I turn off System
    Restore on all Drives, it's turned off. With NTFS you might have a issue
    with permissions on the other drives
    But, just guessing.
    "WB" <WB@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    news:B51E1E9F-3585-4835-A87C-32EB54E05AD8@microsoft.com...
    > Although we have System Restore turned off on all drives, restore points
    > are
    > still being created on the secondary partitions.
    >
    > The OS partiton is drive C, NTFS. The secondary partition is drive D,
    > FAT32.
    >
    > The restore points are being created when applications (i.e. DirectX,
    > WinDVD, etc.) are installed from the second partition (drive D). We must
    > install these from a secondary partition.
    >
    > What are we missing? These restore points are filling up our drives.
    >
    > Also, I thought System Restore wouldn't work on FAT32 drives?
    >
    > Thanks,
    > --
    > Bill Baker
     
  3. WB

    WB Flightless Bird

    Re: System Restore all off, still creating restore points on 2nd p

    Thanks for the reply Rich. Not sure what permissions I should set or unset.

    BTW: The System Restore Service is stopped, but restore points are still
    being created. This makes no sense, unless it's an undocumented bug.

    --
    Bill Baker


    "Rich Barry" wrote:

    > Bill, I use two drives both formatted FAT32 and when I turn off System
    > Restore on all Drives, it's turned off. With NTFS you might have a issue
    > with permissions on the other drives
    > But, just guessing.
    > "WB" <WB@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    > news:B51E1E9F-3585-4835-A87C-32EB54E05AD8@microsoft.com...
    > > Although we have System Restore turned off on all drives, restore points
    > > are
    > > still being created on the secondary partitions.
    > >
    > > The OS partiton is drive C, NTFS. The secondary partition is drive D,
    > > FAT32.
    > >
    > > The restore points are being created when applications (i.e. DirectX,
    > > WinDVD, etc.) are installed from the second partition (drive D). We must
    > > install these from a secondary partition.
    > >
    > > What are we missing? These restore points are filling up our drives.
    > >
    > > Also, I thought System Restore wouldn't work on FAT32 drives?
    > >
    > > Thanks,
    > > --
    > > Bill Baker

    >
    >
    > .
    >
     
  4. Lem

    Lem Flightless Bird

    Re: System Restore all off, still creating restore points on 2ndparti

    WB wrote:
    > Although we have System Restore turned off on all drives, restore points are
    > still being created on the secondary partitions.
    >
    > The OS partiton is drive C, NTFS. The secondary partition is drive D, FAT32.
    >
    > The restore points are being created when applications (i.e. DirectX,
    > WinDVD, etc.) are installed from the second partition (drive D). We must
    > install these from a secondary partition.
    >
    > What are we missing? These restore points are filling up our drives.
    >
    > Also, I thought System Restore wouldn't work on FAT32 drives?
    >
    > Thanks,


    Regardless of *why* these System Restore points are being created,
    perhaps the best way for you to deal with the situation is to turn SR
    *on* for all partitions and use the "Settings" tab of the SR User
    Interface to set the amount of disk space to use to the minimum (move
    slider all the way to the left). By default, in XP, SR uses 12% of the
    partition, which is too much space on today's large drives even if you
    *want* to have SR running. If System Restore runs out of the storage
    space that has been allocated towards its use, it will delete the oldest
    restore point in order to create space for the new restore point.

    System Restore actually creates restore points under at least 5
    different circumstances:

    1. scheduled restore points (system checkpoints) (approx every 24 hours)
    2. before a restore to a restore point (so you can UNDO the restore)
    3. before installing Windows updates received via AutoUpdate
    4. before installing an app that uses a SR-compatible installer (e.g.
    InstallShield).
    5. manually created restore points

    Turning SR off *should* not only disable the creation of system
    checkpoints (which also relies on the Task Scheduler service), but also
    should stop SR from checking for events 3 and 4. You can use
    services.msc to see if the System Restore service is actually stopped
    when you tell it to "Turn off System Restore on all drives."

    It may be that the applications that you are installing do not rely on
    SR being triggered by the installation but instead create a manual
    restore point. I know that some antimalware apps (e.g., Spybot Search &
    Destroy) can optionally create a restore point prior to deleting malware
    that the app has identified. Perhaps the apps you are installing do the
    same. In this case, your SR configuration settings are being bypassed.

    You can delete SR points that are created by your app installations. Use
    the user interface to turn SR on for each partition that has SR points
    and then turn it off or use the Disk Cleanup tool (cleanmgr.exe) for
    each partition and specify "remove all but the most recent restore
    point" on the "More Options" tab.

    In Vista and Win 7, SR relies on the "shadow copy" feature of NTFS and
    thus can't monitor FAT32 partitions. In XP, SR works differently (see,
    e.g.,
    http://www.microsoft.com/middleeast/windowsvista/features/foreveryone/backup.mspx).

    --
    Lem

    Apollo 11 - 40 years ago:
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  5. Jose

    Jose Flightless Bird

    Re: System Restore all off, still creating restore points on 2ndparti

    On Feb 10, 9:31 pm, WB <W...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
    > Although we have System Restore turned off on all drives, restore points are
    > still being created on the secondary partitions.
    >
    > The OS partiton is drive C, NTFS. The secondary partition is drive D, FAT32.
    >
    > The restore points are being created when applications (i.e. DirectX,
    > WinDVD, etc.) are installed from the second partition (drive D). We must
    > install these from a secondary partition.
    >
    > What are we missing? These restore points are filling up our drives.
    >
    > Also, I thought System Restore wouldn't work on FAT32 drives?
    >
    > Thanks,
    > --
    > Bill Baker


    Do you mean Automatic Restore Points are no longer being created, but
    when you install some programs, the installation program creates a new
    RP for you as part of the installation?

    This is so you can restore back if the new program installation
    fails. If you don't like it, change it.

    Restore points are set to only take 12% of your drive by default, but
    you can adjust that. It is damn near impossible for RPs to fill up a
    HDD - they do not accumulate forever and will stop being created
    before you run out of HDD unless something else is wrong.

    How big is your HDD and what are your settings and would you like to
    change them?

    Perhaps a better understanding of how System Restore works will help
    guide you and simultaneously relieve any possibility of frustration
    and misunderstandings.
     
  6. WB

    WB Flightless Bird

    Re: System Restore all off, still creating restore points on 2nd p

    Thanks for the replies. I was able to watch an OS installation and noticed
    that a restore point is created immediately on my D drive (drive 0, partition
    2). The files that it backed up are files that get copied from a network
    share to the D partition (not necessarily when apps are installed from the D
    drive).

    I'll try setting the DiskPercent registry entry to "0" or "1". I did try to
    set the "CreateFirstRunRp" to 0, but that didn't help.

    We do need an "automated" method for disabling (or reducing the size of) the
    system restore points.

    Thanks again,
    --
    Bill Baker


    "Jose" wrote:

    > On Feb 10, 9:31 pm, WB <W...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
    > > Although we have System Restore turned off on all drives, restore points are
    > > still being created on the secondary partitions.
    > >
    > > The OS partiton is drive C, NTFS. The secondary partition is drive D, FAT32.
    > >
    > > The restore points are being created when applications (i.e. DirectX,
    > > WinDVD, etc.) are installed from the second partition (drive D). We must
    > > install these from a secondary partition.
    > >
    > > What are we missing? These restore points are filling up our drives.
    > >
    > > Also, I thought System Restore wouldn't work on FAT32 drives?
    > >
    > > Thanks,
    > > --
    > > Bill Baker

    >
    > Do you mean Automatic Restore Points are no longer being created, but
    > when you install some programs, the installation program creates a new
    > RP for you as part of the installation?
    >
    > This is so you can restore back if the new program installation
    > fails. If you don't like it, change it.
    >
    > Restore points are set to only take 12% of your drive by default, but
    > you can adjust that. It is damn near impossible for RPs to fill up a
    > HDD - they do not accumulate forever and will stop being created
    > before you run out of HDD unless something else is wrong.
    >
    > How big is your HDD and what are your settings and would you like to
    > change them?
    >
    > Perhaps a better understanding of how System Restore works will help
    > guide you and simultaneously relieve any possibility of frustration
    > and misunderstandings.
    >
    >
    >
    > .
    >
     

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