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Discussion in 'Internet Explorer' started by Dipesh_Sharma, Jun 3, 2010.

  1. Dipesh_Sharma

    Dipesh_Sharma Flightless Bird

    Hi All,

    Can anybody please update me, whether IE8 can be installed on Windows XP
    embedded SP3 operating system?

    Kind Regards,
    Dipesh
     
  2. No Mo

    No Mo Flightless Bird

    Of course.
    Have you not read system requirements? That's the first thing you should
    always do. Why, you can even find out by Googling!

    "Dipesh_Sharma" <DipeshSharma@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    news:FAF9AFF6-3B00-4D33-B960-203B0D80135E@microsoft.com...
    : Hi All,
    :
    : Can anybody please update me, whether IE8 can be installed on Windows XP
    : embedded SP3 operating system?
    :
    : Kind Regards,
    : Dipesh
     
  3. Dan

    Dan Flightless Bird

    "Dipesh_Sharma" <DipeshSharma@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    news:FAF9AFF6-3B00-4D33-B960-203B0D80135E@microsoft.com...
    > Hi All,
    >
    > Can anybody please update me, whether IE8 can be installed on Windows XP
    > embedded SP3 operating system?
    >
    > Kind Regards,
    > Dipesh


    Yes, IE8 is available from the ECE site for Windows XP Embedded SP3 /
    Windows Embedded Standard 2009. It was released in March 2010. You need to
    have access to the ECE site to obtain this though.

    --
    Dan
     
  4. Jeff Strickland

    Jeff Strickland Flightless Bird

    "Dipesh_Sharma" <DipeshSharma@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    news:FAF9AFF6-3B00-4D33-B960-203B0D80135E@microsoft.com...
    > Hi All,
    >
    > Can anybody please update me, whether IE8 can be installed on Windows XP
    > embedded SP3 operating system?
    >
    > Kind Regards,
    > Dipesh



    Sure, I can tell you.

    It can.

    IE8 is delivered with the SP3 update to XP. You have to decline it --
    although I don't recall an option to do that when I updated my XP machines.
     
  5. Jeff Strickland

    Jeff Strickland Flightless Bird

    "Dipesh_Sharma" <DipeshSharma@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    news:FAF9AFF6-3B00-4D33-B960-203B0D80135E@microsoft.com...
    > Hi All,
    >
    > Can anybody please update me, whether IE8 can be installed on Windows XP
    > embedded SP3 operating system?
    >
    > Kind Regards,
    > Dipesh


    Not only can IE8 be installed on XP with SP3, SP3 is required if you want
    IE8.

    You can have SP3 and not have IE8, but if you want IE8 then you must have
    SP3 -- or Vista or Win7.
     
  6. No Mo

    No Mo Flightless Bird

    : IE8 is delivered with the SP3 update to XP. You have to decline it --
    : although I don't recall an option to do that when I updated my XP
    machines.
    :
    No, it isn't. SP3 came out before IE8. It is a separate Windows update or as
    a stand-alone install.
     
  7. No Mo

    No Mo Flightless Bird

    : Not only can IE8 be installed on XP with SP3, SP3 is required if you want
    : IE8.
    :
    Wrong again. SP2 or higher.
     
  8. Rob

    Rob Flightless Bird

    Jeff Strickland <crwlrjeff@yahoo.com> wrote:
    >
    > "Dipesh_Sharma" <DipeshSharma@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    > news:FAF9AFF6-3B00-4D33-B960-203B0D80135E@microsoft.com...
    >> Hi All,
    >>
    >> Can anybody please update me, whether IE8 can be installed on Windows XP
    >> embedded SP3 operating system?
    >>
    >> Kind Regards,
    >> Dipesh

    >
    >
    > Sure, I can tell you.
    >
    > It can.


    But the question is: did you actually READ the question? Carefully?
     
  9. No Mo

    No Mo Flightless Bird

    :
    : But the question is: did you actually READ the question? Carefully?

    And the answer is still "yes". Jeff also provided incorrect information in
    replies.
     
  10. Jeff Strickland

    Jeff Strickland Flightless Bird

    "No Mo" <nomo@HoopleHead.invalid> wrote in message
    news:esTXWjzALHA.5476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
    >
    >
    > : Not only can IE8 be installed on XP with SP3, SP3 is required if you
    > want
    > : IE8.
    > :
    > Wrong again. SP2 or higher.
    >
    >


    I have a different experience, sorry. I resisted the move away from IE6 for
    as long as I could. My recollection is that I had to take IE8 when I took
    SP3, but my machine had suffered a catastrophic event that demanded a new
    HDD and motherboard, and I guess I lost track of what went where and when,
    and why it went there. I skipped IE7, and went from 6 to 8. I recall
    (wrongly, if you guys are right) that I could not remain with IE6 and SP3,
    and I certainly did remain with IE6 and SP2. My assumption based on this is
    that IE8 is required with SP3, or that SP3 is required to have IE8. Sorry if
    that is not correct, it seemed like that is what my machine demanded when I
    had to cross that bridge.

    I guess it doesn't matter what my experience is, or what I think it was, the
    OP asked if IE8 can be installed on XP running SP3. The asnwer is, yes.
     
  11. Jeff Strickland

    Jeff Strickland Flightless Bird

    "Rob" <nomail@example.com> wrote in message
    news:slrni0fm2r.ofs.nomail@xs8.xs4all.nl...
    > Jeff Strickland <crwlrjeff@yahoo.com> wrote:
    >>
    >> "Dipesh_Sharma" <DipeshSharma@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    >> news:FAF9AFF6-3B00-4D33-B960-203B0D80135E@microsoft.com...
    >>> Hi All,
    >>>
    >>> Can anybody please update me, whether IE8 can be installed on Windows XP
    >>> embedded SP3 operating system?
    >>>
    >>> Kind Regards,
    >>> Dipesh

    >>
    >>
    >> Sure, I can tell you.
    >>
    >> It can.

    >
    > But the question is: did you actually READ the question? Carefully?



    I'm pretty sure I read it. Based on that, my asnwer is, yes it can.

    Do you have a different answer? Maybe I missed something.
     
  12. Rob

    Rob Flightless Bird

    Jeff Strickland <crwlrjeff@yahoo.com> wrote:
    >
    > "No Mo" <nomo@HoopleHead.invalid> wrote in message
    > news:esTXWjzALHA.5476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
    >>
    >>
    >> : Not only can IE8 be installed on XP with SP3, SP3 is required if you
    >> want
    >> : IE8.
    >> :
    >> Wrong again. SP2 or higher.
    >>
    >>

    >
    > I have a different experience, sorry. I resisted the move away from IE6 for
    > as long as I could. My recollection is that I had to take IE8 when I took
    > SP3, but my machine had suffered a catastrophic event that demanded a new
    > HDD and motherboard, and I guess I lost track of what went where and when,


    It may well be that IE8 was offered to you by Windows Update in the
    same session where it also offered SP3, but IE8 certainly is not part
    of SP3 and it does not require SP3 either.

    > I guess it doesn't matter what my experience is, or what I think it was, the
    > OP asked if IE8 can be installed on XP running SP3. The asnwer is, yes.


    That was not his actual question. I already had a hunch that you
    misread it.
     
  13. Jeff Strickland

    Jeff Strickland Flightless Bird

    "Rob" <nomail@example.com> wrote in message
    news:slrni0fnll.ofs.nomail@xs8.xs4all.nl...
    > Jeff Strickland <crwlrjeff@yahoo.com> wrote:
    >>
    >> "No Mo" <nomo@HoopleHead.invalid> wrote in message
    >> news:esTXWjzALHA.5476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> : Not only can IE8 be installed on XP with SP3, SP3 is required if you
    >>> want
    >>> : IE8.
    >>> :
    >>> Wrong again. SP2 or higher.
    >>>
    >>>

    >>
    >> I have a different experience, sorry. I resisted the move away from IE6
    >> for
    >> as long as I could. My recollection is that I had to take IE8 when I took
    >> SP3, but my machine had suffered a catastrophic event that demanded a new
    >> HDD and motherboard, and I guess I lost track of what went where and
    >> when,

    >
    > It may well be that IE8 was offered to you by Windows Update in the
    > same session where it also offered SP3, but IE8 certainly is not part
    > of SP3 and it does not require SP3 either.
    >
    >> I guess it doesn't matter what my experience is, or what I think it was,
    >> the
    >> OP asked if IE8 can be installed on XP running SP3. The asnwer is, yes.

    >
    > That was not his actual question. I already had a hunch that you
    > misread it.



    Okay, what is the question? It looked pretty simple to me.

    I was a bit stumped by the term, imbedded, but my confusion there is that I
    don't see that an embedded OS should be any different than an installed OS
    when it comes to installing applications.
     
  14. Rob

    Rob Flightless Bird

    Jeff Strickland <crwlrjeff@yahoo.com> wrote:
    >>> I guess it doesn't matter what my experience is, or what I think it was,
    >>> the
    >>> OP asked if IE8 can be installed on XP running SP3. The asnwer is, yes.

    >>
    >> That was not his actual question. I already had a hunch that you
    >> misread it.

    >
    >
    > Okay, what is the question? It looked pretty simple to me.
    >
    > I was a bit stumped by the term, imbedded, but my confusion there is that I
    > don't see that an embedded OS should be any different than an installed OS
    > when it comes to installing applications.


    And this assumption is based on what?
    You know that "Windows XP embedded" is the version of the OS, do you?
    It is quite different from normal XP.

    And MSIE isn't exactly an application running on the OS. It should have
    been, but it isn't. It is a part of the OS.
     
  15. Jeff Strickland

    Jeff Strickland Flightless Bird

    "Rob" <nomail@example.com> wrote in message
    news:slrni0fond.ofs.nomail@xs8.xs4all.nl...
    > Jeff Strickland <crwlrjeff@yahoo.com> wrote:
    >>>> I guess it doesn't matter what my experience is, or what I think it
    >>>> was,
    >>>> the
    >>>> OP asked if IE8 can be installed on XP running SP3. The asnwer is, yes.
    >>>
    >>> That was not his actual question. I already had a hunch that you
    >>> misread it.

    >>
    >>
    >> Okay, what is the question? It looked pretty simple to me.
    >>
    >> I was a bit stumped by the term, imbedded, but my confusion there is that
    >> I
    >> don't see that an embedded OS should be any different than an installed
    >> OS
    >> when it comes to installing applications.

    >
    > And this assumption is based on what?
    > You know that "Windows XP embedded" is the version of the OS, do you?
    > It is quite different from normal XP.
    >
    > And MSIE isn't exactly an application running on the OS. It should have
    > been, but it isn't. It is a part of the OS.



    But the asnwer to the question is still, "yes, IE8 can be installed on to
    embedded XP/SP3.

    The embedded system is typically loaded into a netbook, for example. It's a
    scaled down versoin of the OS that is trimmed to fit in a confined
    environment -- such as that which exists in small packages like a netbook.
    Granted, a netbook is a small package physically, but the physical space
    isn't the discussion here. A small physical space can result in cramped
    memory space, and this is the discussion.

    I once worked on devices that had IE5 embedded in them so they would appear
    over the business enterprise system, giving them internet visibility.
    Basically, I put Webpages into I/O devices so we could see them remotely.
    Cool stuff. We had a device that the embedded software was too large to fit
    into memory, and a redesign of the packaging was hugely problematic -- both
    from a cost and a time perspective. We had to constrain the physical size of
    the package to an industry standard, and this constraint drove the selection
    of memory capacity. In any case, I was able to reduce the size of the file
    that was embedded so that it fit within the space available, and saved my
    company tens of thousands of dollars and months of development time.

    So, yes, I have a pretty good grasp of what embedded is. I was not confused
    by the term, but by the question. My confusion came because I own a Netbook
    machine with embedded XP/SP3 and IE8, so the premise of the question seemed
    a bit odd.
     
  16. PA Bear [MS MVP]

    PA Bear [MS MVP] Flightless Bird

    "No Mo" <nomo@HoopleHead.invalid>

    How appropriate!
     
  17. No Mo

    No Mo Flightless Bird

    Thanks, ~Robear!

    "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
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    : "No Mo" <nomo@HoopleHead.invalid>
    :
    : How appropriate!
     
  18. Robert Aldwinckle

    Robert Aldwinckle Flightless Bird

    "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrjeff@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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    > My recollection is that I had to take IE8 when I took SP3,



    FWIW mine is that it was tricky trying to avoid IE8 between XPsp2 and XPsp3
    simply because of the way it was offered. In the end I managed to have a
    removable IE8 in XPsp3.


    > I recall (wrongly, if you guys are right) that I could not remain with
    > IE6 and SP3, and I certainly did remain with IE6 and SP2. My assumption
    > based on this is that IE8 is required with SP3, or that SP3 is required to
    > have IE8. Sorry if that is not correct, it seemed like that is what my
    > machine demanded when I had to cross that bridge.



    That's what I meant by tricky. You would seen the IE8 offering before you
    saw an XPsp3 offering. Then you would have had to mark the IE8 as declined.
    Then, eventually, you would have seen XPsp3 offered or go and get it
    manually. Then you could have reaccepted IE8. If you don't do it in that
    order IE8 becomes embedded in the OS (not able to be uninstalled) unless you
    first uninstall the service pack(s) that baked it in.


    Robert
    ---
     
  19. Dipesh_Sharma

    Dipesh_Sharma Flightless Bird

    Hi Everybody,
    Thanks for confirming that IE8 can be installed on XPembedded SP3.

    Kind Regards,
    Dipesh

    "Robert Aldwinckle" wrote:

    >
    >
    > "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrjeff@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    > news:hu8mdl$hig$1@news.eternal-september.org...
    >
    > > My recollection is that I had to take IE8 when I took SP3,

    >
    >
    > FWIW mine is that it was tricky trying to avoid IE8 between XPsp2 and XPsp3
    > simply because of the way it was offered. In the end I managed to have a
    > removable IE8 in XPsp3.
    >
    >
    > > I recall (wrongly, if you guys are right) that I could not remain with
    > > IE6 and SP3, and I certainly did remain with IE6 and SP2. My assumption
    > > based on this is that IE8 is required with SP3, or that SP3 is required to
    > > have IE8. Sorry if that is not correct, it seemed like that is what my
    > > machine demanded when I had to cross that bridge.

    >
    >
    > That's what I meant by tricky. You would seen the IE8 offering before you
    > saw an XPsp3 offering. Then you would have had to mark the IE8 as declined.
    > Then, eventually, you would have seen XPsp3 offered or go and get it
    > manually. Then you could have reaccepted IE8. If you don't do it in that
    > order IE8 becomes embedded in the OS (not able to be uninstalled) unless you
    > first uninstall the service pack(s) that baked it in.
    >
    >
    > Robert
    > ---
    >
    > .
    >
     
  20. Dan

    Dan Flightless Bird

    "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrjeff@yahoo.com> wrote in message
    news:hu8pnl$vhg$1@news.eternal-september.org...
    >
    > "Rob" <nomail@example.com> wrote in message
    > news:slrni0fond.ofs.nomail@xs8.xs4all.nl...
    >> Jeff Strickland <crwlrjeff@yahoo.com> wrote:
    >>>>> I guess it doesn't matter what my experience is, or what I think it
    >>>>> was,
    >>>>> the
    >>>>> OP asked if IE8 can be installed on XP running SP3. The asnwer is,
    >>>>> yes.
    >>>>
    >>>> That was not his actual question. I already had a hunch that you
    >>>> misread it.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> Okay, what is the question? It looked pretty simple to me.
    >>>
    >>> I was a bit stumped by the term, imbedded, but my confusion there is
    >>> that I
    >>> don't see that an embedded OS should be any different than an installed
    >>> OS
    >>> when it comes to installing applications.

    >>
    >> And this assumption is based on what?
    >> You know that "Windows XP embedded" is the version of the OS, do you?
    >> It is quite different from normal XP.
    >>
    >> And MSIE isn't exactly an application running on the OS. It should have
    >> been, but it isn't. It is a part of the OS.

    >
    >
    > But the asnwer to the question is still, "yes, IE8 can be installed on to
    > embedded XP/SP3.
    >
    > The embedded system is typically loaded into a netbook, for example. It's
    > a scaled down versoin of the OS that is trimmed to fit in a confined
    > environment -- such as that which exists in small packages like a netbook.
    > Granted, a netbook is a small package physically, but the physical space
    > isn't the discussion here. A small physical space can result in cramped
    > memory space, and this is the discussion.
    >
    > I once worked on devices that had IE5 embedded in them so they would
    > appear over the business enterprise system, giving them internet
    > visibility. Basically, I put Webpages into I/O devices so we could see
    > them remotely. Cool stuff. We had a device that the embedded software was
    > too large to fit into memory, and a redesign of the packaging was hugely
    > problematic -- both from a cost and a time perspective. We had to
    > constrain the physical size of the package to an industry standard, and
    > this constraint drove the selection of memory capacity. In any case, I was
    > able to reduce the size of the file that was embedded so that it fit
    > within the space available, and saved my company tens of thousands of
    > dollars and months of development time.
    >
    > So, yes, I have a pretty good grasp of what embedded is. I was not
    > confused by the term, but by the question. My confusion came because I own
    > a Netbook machine with embedded XP/SP3 and IE8, so the premise of the
    > question seemed a bit odd.


    Jeff, XP Embedded is not a "stripped down" version of XP, it's what MS call
    "componentized". It's actually a different beast to XP itself, it's not like
    they just removed some bits and called it Embedded, you can't just slap IE8
    on it that you download from the MS site. There is a special version of IE8
    specifically for XP Embedded, and it took a year from the release of IE8 for
    XP for the XP Embedded version to appear because the IE code had to be
    changed to work with XP Embedded. IE8 for XP Embedded was only released 3
    months ago.

    Do you really have a Netbook with XP Embedded? I would suspect not, as
    Embedded is designed for mostly non-PC applications - robots, toasters,
    portable navigation, cars. Netbooks with XP normally use a stripped down
    version of XP Home, but this is very different to Embedded. If you can
    provide the model of Netbook that you have, and it really does have XP
    Embedded with IE8 (and it would have to be a very new Netbook to do so),
    then I will of course eat humble pie, but given the amount of misinformation
    you post in this newsgroup I'd be surprised if this is the case.

    As to the IE8/XP SP3 issue, I've got PCs here at work with IE8 on XP SP2,
    and I've got PCs with XP SP3 and IE7 (as well as some with XP SP3 and IE8 of
    course :p); IE8 and XP SP3 are *not* directly tied together.

    --
    Dan
     

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