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Discussion in 'Windows XP' started by RodA, Jan 24, 2010.

  1. RodA

    RodA Flightless Bird

    It appears that every supplier of Windows programs now adds their program
    into Start-up so that their program is running all the time your using your
    PC. I've recently been removing some of these programs as the PC was taking
    longer and longer to boot up.

    I can't see the reason, as am example, for having Office running all the
    time, if I want one of the programs in Office it starts very quick from
    'cold'. Also Live Messenger, if I don't use messaging does it need to run all
    the time? What I am confused about is that I see
    C:/Windows\system32\ctfmon.exe in there, I can't see that this is needed to
    start Windows as I assume it must be running before it gets to here? I
    realise that my anti-virus must be in start-up but is there anything else
    that I really need in there?

    Thanks for any suggestions.

    Rod
     
  2. Rey Santos

    Rey Santos Flightless Bird

    Try Startup Inspector
    http://www.windowsstartup.com/startupinspector.php

    Startup Inspector for Windows is a Windows® platform software that helps
    both novice and expert user manage Windows® startup applications. Click on
    the Consult tools at the top so you will the comments.

    Autoruns for Windows v9.57
    By Mark Russinovich and Bryce Cogswell
    http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb963902.aspx

    This utility, which has the most comprehensive knowledge of auto-starting
    locations of any startup monitor, shows you what programs are configured to
    run during system bootup or login, and shows you the entries in the order
    Windows processes them.
    Nothing to install just run autoruns.exe


    --
    Rey


    "RodA" wrote:

    > It appears that every supplier of Windows programs now adds their program
    > into Start-up so that their program is running all the time your using your
    > PC. I've recently been removing some of these programs as the PC was taking
    > longer and longer to boot up.
    >
    > I can't see the reason, as am example, for having Office running all the
    > time, if I want one of the programs in Office it starts very quick from
    > 'cold'. Also Live Messenger, if I don't use messaging does it need to run all
    > the time? What I am confused about is that I see
    > C:/Windows\system32\ctfmon.exe in there, I can't see that this is needed to
    > start Windows as I assume it must be running before it gets to here? I
    > realise that my anti-virus must be in start-up but is there anything else
    > that I really need in there?
    >
    > Thanks for any suggestions.
    >
    > Rod
     
  3. Shenan Stanley

    Shenan Stanley Flightless Bird

    RodA wrote:
    > It appears that every supplier of Windows programs now adds their
    > program into Start-up so that their program is running all the time
    > your using your PC. I've recently been removing some of these
    > programs as the PC was taking longer and longer to boot up.
    >
    > I can't see the reason, as am example, for having Office running
    > all the time, if I want one of the programs in Office it starts
    > very quick from 'cold'. Also Live Messenger, if I don't use
    > messaging does it need to run all the time? What I am confused
    > about is that I see C:/Windows\system32\ctfmon.exe in there, I
    > can't see that this is needed to start Windows as I assume it must
    > be running before it gets to here? I realise that my anti-virus
    > must be in start-up but is there anything else that I really need
    > in there?
    >
    > Thanks for any suggestions.


    What you need running at startup is up to you. Sometimes it can make things
    faster - usually not. Depending on the resources you have - the actual use
    of the computer (not startup - don't base your usage performance off your
    startup time - that's just unwise) is unaffected.

    Go into each of the applications starting at logon/startup and see if there
    is a setting to turn off. Remove anything you don't think you need from the
    "Startup" folder. Use MSCONFIG to see what else might be starting up you
    might not want and try to tell them (inside their own programs/services) not
    to start if you believe you don't need them.

    Most people are strangely overly concerned with a 2 minute startup vs. a 7
    minute startup - when most do not reboot several times a day. While having
    things startup does use more resources - if you have them to spare - you
    aren't wasting them (in fact, if you have the resources to spare and are not
    using them - then you are wasting them.)

    --
    Shenan Stanley
    MS-MVP
    --
    How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
    http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
     
  4. PA Bear [MS MVP]

    PA Bear [MS MVP] Flightless Bird

    See http://aumha.org/a/loads.htm

    RodA wrote:
    > It appears that every supplier of Windows programs now adds their program
    > into Start-up so that their program is running all the time your using
    > your
    > PC. I've recently been removing some of these programs as the PC was
    > taking
    > longer and longer to boot up.
    >
    > I can't see the reason, as am example, for having Office running all the
    > time, if I want one of the programs in Office it starts very quick from
    > 'cold'. Also Live Messenger, if I don't use messaging does it need to run
    > all the time? What I am confused about is that I see
    > C:/Windows\system32\ctfmon.exe in there, I can't see that this is needed
    > to
    > start Windows as I assume it must be running before it gets to here? I
    > realise that my anti-virus must be in start-up but is there anything else
    > that I really need in there?
    >
    > Thanks for any suggestions.
    >
    > Rod
     
  5. Ken Blake, MVP

    Ken Blake, MVP Flightless Bird

    On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 02:47:01 -0800, RodA
    <RodA@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

    > It appears that every supplier of Windows programs now adds their program
    > into Start-up so that their program is running all the time your using your
    > PC. I've recently been removing some of these programs as the PC was taking
    > longer and longer to boot up.
    >
    > I can't see the reason, as am example, for having Office running all the
    > time, if I want one of the programs in Office it starts very quick from
    > 'cold'. Also Live Messenger, if I don't use messaging does it need to run all
    > the time? What I am confused about is that I see
    > C:/Windows\system32\ctfmon.exe in there, I can't see that this is needed to
    > start Windows as I assume it must be running before it gets to here? I
    > realise that my anti-virus must be in start-up but is there anything else
    > that I really need in there?



    Nobody can answer that question for you. The choice is yours, not
    ours. Here's my standard post on the subject:

    First, note that you should be concerned with *all* programs that
    start automatically, not just with those that go into the system tray.
    Not all autostarting programs manifest themselves by an icon in the
    tray.

    On each program you don't want to start automatically, check its
    Options to see if it has the choice not to start (make sure you
    actually choose the option not to run it, not just a "don't show icon"
    option). Many can easily and best be stopped that way. If that doesn't
    work, run MSCONFIG from the Start | Run line, and on the Startup tab,
    uncheck the programs you don't want to start automatically.

    However, if I were you, I wouldn't do this just for the purpose of
    running the minimum number of programs. Despite what many people tell
    you, you should be concerned, not with how *many* of these programs
    you run, but *which*. Some of them can hurt performance severely, but
    others have no effect on performance.

    Don't just stop programs from running willy-nilly. What you should do
    is determine what each program is, what its value is to you, and what
    the cost in performance is of its running all the time. You can try
    google searches and ask about specifics here.

    Once you have that information, you can make an intelligent informed
    decision about what you want to keep and what you want to get rid of.

    --
    Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003
    Please Reply to the Newsgroup
     
  6. Daave

    Daave Flightless Bird

    RodA wrote:
    > It appears that every supplier of Windows programs now adds their
    > program into Start-up so that their program is running all the time
    > your using your PC. I've recently been removing some of these
    > programs as the PC was taking longer and longer to boot up.
    >
    > I can't see the reason, as am example, for having Office running all
    > the time, if I want one of the programs in Office it starts very
    > quick from 'cold'. Also Live Messenger, if I don't use messaging does
    > it need to run all the time? What I am confused about is that I see
    > C:/Windows\system32\ctfmon.exe in there, I can't see that this is
    > needed to start Windows as I assume it must be running before it gets
    > to here? I realise that my anti-virus must be in start-up but is
    > there anything else that I really need in there?
    >
    > Thanks for any suggestions.


    You asked a general question *and* a specific question. Here is the
    answer to your specific question about ctfmon.exe:

    http://www.pchell.com/support/ctfmon.shtml

    http://support.microsoft.com/kb/282599

    Most programs that are well-written will give you the opportunity to
    turn off the option to automatically start up in their settings. It is
    always advised to do this first before messing around with msconfig. The
    reason: If you use msconfig to disable a startup program, it might
    reappear there the next time you boot up! So it is always better to
    figure out on your own how to disable each particular unwanted program
    from starting up automatically. If you run into a snag, post back with
    the particular startup (like you did with ctfmon), and maybe someone can
    help you. I would only use msconfig as a last resource:

    http://netsquirrel.com/msconfig/msconfig_xp.html

    As Rey mentioned, there is a (free) program more thorough than msconfig
    called Autoruns. Although this is superior to msconfig in that you can
    actually *remove* particular registries rather than merely alter them so
    particular automatic startups are disabled, there is also much more
    potential for real damage to occur! For instance, I recently read a post
    where a user who was over-zealous in his trimming disabled the Userinit
    Logon Application!

    Finally, Shenan raised a good point. Most of the programs use so little
    resources and/or RAM that disabling them won't necessarily produce much
    improvement anyway! But once in a while, you might indeed find a
    resource/RAM hog that is simply not needed to start up every time you
    boot up Windows.
     
  7. db

    db Flightless Bird

    there is a freeware from
    microsoft called autoruns.

    with it you can inspect
    a number of things running
    including your startups.

    however, you can open
    the msconfig and inspect
    your startups and non
    microsoft services as well.

    in regards to office running
    in the background, the process
    is a tiny one which helps launch
    office quicker than if you
    manually executed it yourself.

    my suggestion is to inspect
    your startups and services
    and begin by disabling all
    non microsoft/third party
    programs and services.

    you will highly likely see
    an improvement in
    performance with your o.s.

    afterwards determine which
    third party programs should
    be started automatically and
    loaded into memory at boot
    time.

    incidentally, don't forget you
    have three levels for starting
    programs.

    the first is automatically at
    boot time.

    the second is utilizing your
    startup folder under programs.

    then the third is to manually
    launch the programs.

    perhaps, you can do a little
    rearranging with the startups
    which can help with the
    performance.

    --
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    >
    >


    "RodA" <RodA@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    news:4DEBCBF7-4E45-48D3-9014-C7B3F51F2698@microsoft.com...
    > It appears that every supplier of Windows programs now adds their program
    > into Start-up so that their program is running all the time your using
    > your
    > PC. I've recently been removing some of these programs as the PC was
    > taking
    > longer and longer to boot up.
    >
    > I can't see the reason, as am example, for having Office running all the
    > time, if I want one of the programs in Office it starts very quick from
    > 'cold'. Also Live Messenger, if I don't use messaging does it need to run
    > all
    > the time? What I am confused about is that I see
    > C:/Windows\system32\ctfmon.exe in there, I can't see that this is needed
    > to
    > start Windows as I assume it must be running before it gets to here? I
    > realise that my anti-virus must be in start-up but is there anything else
    > that I really need in there?
    >
    > Thanks for any suggestions.
    >
    > Rod
     

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