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nk2 file

Flightless Bird
Hi. I am setting up an environment where various windows clients
connect to a windows 2008 terminal server. I am trying to configure
various things in their terminal services connection profile to the
server and I am confused by the settings I am seeing. I thought that
windows server 2008 was the parallel server OS to windows 7 client
(please tell me if that is incorrect).

When I am on a windows 7 desktop pc, I can find certain options like
choosing what the default start menu power button action is. How do I
find this on the server in the terminal services profile for the user?

Or when I am on windows 2008 server, I can choose to use the classic
start menu. How do I find this on the windows 7 pc?

If these options do not translate or have an equivalent setting in the
other OS, why have they diverged the GUI options so much?

Thanks.
 
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Frank

Flightless Bird
On 8/20/2010 11:28 AM, nk2 file wrote:
> Hi. I am setting up an environment where various windows clients
> connect to a windows 2008 terminal server. I am trying to configure
> various things in their terminal services connection profile to the
> server and I am confused by the settings I am seeing. I thought that
> windows server 2008 was the parallel server OS to windows 7 client
> (please tell me if that is incorrect).

Incorrect. 2008 R2 is the "companion" to W 7.
>
> When I am on a windows 7 desktop pc, I can find certain options like
> choosing what the default start menu power button action is. How do I
> find this on the server in the terminal services profile for the user?

When you install 2008 R2, you'll see the options are the same as in W 7.
>
> Or when I am on windows 2008 server, I can choose to use the classic
> start menu. How do I find this on the windows 7 pc?
>
Not available. That is it available in 2008 is a clue that 2008 is not
the "companion' to W7, but is for XP.

> If these options do not translate or have an equivalent setting in the
> other OS, why have they diverged the GUI options so much?

2008 is for XP and 2008 R2 is for W 7.
HTH
>
> Thanks.
 
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Seth

Flightless Bird
"nk2 file" <me2@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:8Pzbo.21220$1v3.3853@newsfe20.iad...
> Hi. I am setting up an environment where various windows clients connect
> to a windows 2008 terminal server. I am trying to configure various
> things in their terminal services connection profile to the server and I
> am confused by the settings I am seeing. I thought that windows server
> 2008 was the parallel server OS to windows 7 client (please tell me if
> that is incorrect).

2008R2. 2008 (with no R#) = Vista kernel.

> When I am on a windows 7 desktop pc, I can find certain options like
> choosing what the default start menu power button action is. How do I
> find this on the server in the terminal services profile for the user?

Power options should never be presented to a TS user. You give them the
ability to power down/reboot it disrupts other users. TS user should only
have Logoff and Disconnect options. Only admins can reboot/shut-down.

> Or when I am on windows 2008 server, I can choose to use the classic start
> menu. How do I find this on the windows 7 pc?
>
> If these options do not translate or have an equivalent setting in the
> other OS, why have they diverged the GUI options so much?

Same kernel =! Same GUI options. Kernel is the underlying engine. GUI is
just lipstick.
 
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nk2 file

Flightless Bird
On 8/20/2010 2:53 PM, Seth wrote:
>
> "nk2 file" <me2@privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:8Pzbo.21220$1v3.3853@newsfe20.iad...
>> Hi. I am setting up an environment where various windows clients
>> connect to a windows 2008 terminal server. I am trying to configure
>> various things in their terminal services connection profile to the
>> server and I am confused by the settings I am seeing. I thought that
>> windows server 2008 was the parallel server OS to windows 7 client
>> (please tell me if that is incorrect).
>
> 2008R2. 2008 (with no R#) = Vista kernel.

Thanks for correcting me.

>
>> When I am on a windows 7 desktop pc, I can find certain options like
>> choosing what the default start menu power button action is. How do I
>> find this on the server in the terminal services profile for the user?
>
> Power options should never be presented to a TS user. You give them the
> ability to power down/reboot it disrupts other users. TS user should
> only have Logoff and Disconnect options. Only admins can reboot/shut-down.

Correct, I'm actually trying to change the start menu power button
default to log off instead of lock in the terminal services profile,
which are the only options available for the user.

>
>> Or when I am on windows 2008 server, I can choose to use the classic
>> start menu. How do I find this on the windows 7 pc?
>>
>> If these options do not translate or have an equivalent setting in the
>> other OS, why have they diverged the GUI options so much?
>
> Same kernel =! Same GUI options. Kernel is the underlying engine. GUI is
> just lipstick.
>
>

In older versions of windows, it seemed to me that the GUI options did
parallel pretty closely between server and client OS, but I'll just live
with what is there now.

Thanks for the reply Seth.
 
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nk2 file

Flightless Bird
On 8/20/2010 1:58 PM, Frank wrote:
> On 8/20/2010 11:28 AM, nk2 file wrote:
>> Hi. I am setting up an environment where various windows clients
>> connect to a windows 2008 terminal server. I am trying to configure
>> various things in their terminal services connection profile to the
>> server and I am confused by the settings I am seeing. I thought that
>> windows server 2008 was the parallel server OS to windows 7 client
>> (please tell me if that is incorrect).
>
> Incorrect. 2008 R2 is the "companion" to W 7.
>>
>> When I am on a windows 7 desktop pc, I can find certain options like
>> choosing what the default start menu power button action is. How do I
>> find this on the server in the terminal services profile for the user?
>
> When you install 2008 R2, you'll see the options are the same as in W 7.

Great, thanks.

>>
>> Or when I am on windows 2008 server, I can choose to use the classic
>> start menu. How do I find this on the windows 7 pc?
>>
> Not available. That is it available in 2008 is a clue that 2008 is not
> the "companion' to W7, but is for XP.
>
>> If these options do not translate or have an equivalent setting in the
>> other OS, why have they diverged the GUI options so much?
>
> 2008 is for XP and 2008 R2 is for W 7.
> HTH

I thought that 2003 was for XP? LOL, or maybe I'm just confused? :0
 
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Frank

Flightless Bird
On 8/20/2010 1:19 PM, nk2 file wrote:
> On 8/20/2010 2:53 PM, Seth wrote:
>>
>> "nk2 file" <me2@privacy.net> wrote in message
>> news:8Pzbo.21220$1v3.3853@newsfe20.iad...
>>> Hi. I am setting up an environment where various windows clients
>>> connect to a windows 2008 terminal server. I am trying to configure
>>> various things in their terminal services connection profile to the
>>> server and I am confused by the settings I am seeing. I thought that
>>> windows server 2008 was the parallel server OS to windows 7 client
>>> (please tell me if that is incorrect).
>>
>> 2008R2. 2008 (with no R#) = Vista kernel.
>
> Thanks for correcting me.
>
>>
>>> When I am on a windows 7 desktop pc, I can find certain options like
>>> choosing what the default start menu power button action is. How do I
>>> find this on the server in the terminal services profile for the user?
>>
>> Power options should never be presented to a TS user. You give them the
>> ability to power down/reboot it disrupts other users. TS user should
>> only have Logoff and Disconnect options. Only admins can
>> reboot/shut-down.
>
> Correct, I'm actually trying to change the start menu power button
> default to log off instead of lock in the terminal services profile,
> which are the only options available for the user.
>
>>
>>> Or when I am on windows 2008 server, I can choose to use the classic
>>> start menu. How do I find this on the windows 7 pc?
>>>
>>> If these options do not translate or have an equivalent setting in the
>>> other OS, why have they diverged the GUI options so much?
>>
>> Same kernel =! Same GUI options. Kernel is the underlying engine. GUI is
>> just lipstick.
>>
>>
>
> In older versions of windows, it seemed to me that the GUI options did
> parallel pretty closely between server and client OS, but I'll just live
> with what is there now.

If you upgrade to R2, you'll see a very similar GUI to 7.
>
> Thanks for the reply Seth.
 
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Frank

Flightless Bird
On 8/20/2010 1:21 PM, nk2 file wrote:
> On 8/20/2010 1:58 PM, Frank wrote:
>> On 8/20/2010 11:28 AM, nk2 file wrote:
>>> Hi. I am setting up an environment where various windows clients
>>> connect to a windows 2008 terminal server. I am trying to configure
>>> various things in their terminal services connection profile to the
>>> server and I am confused by the settings I am seeing. I thought that
>>> windows server 2008 was the parallel server OS to windows 7 client
>>> (please tell me if that is incorrect).
>>
>> Incorrect. 2008 R2 is the "companion" to W 7.
>>>
>>> When I am on a windows 7 desktop pc, I can find certain options like
>>> choosing what the default start menu power button action is. How do I
>>> find this on the server in the terminal services profile for the user?
>>
>> When you install 2008 R2, you'll see the options are the same as in W 7.
>
> Great, thanks.
>
>>>
>>> Or when I am on windows 2008 server, I can choose to use the classic
>>> start menu. How do I find this on the windows 7 pc?
>>>
>> Not available. That is it available in 2008 is a clue that 2008 is not
>> the "companion' to W7, but is for XP.
>>
>>> If these options do not translate or have an equivalent setting in the
>>> other OS, why have they diverged the GUI options so much?
>>
>> 2008 is for XP and 2008 R2 is for W 7.
>> HTH
>
> I thought that 2003 was for XP? LOL, or maybe I'm just confused? :0

You could be right...2008 may be for Vista, but for sure 2008 R2 is the
companion to desktop 7.
 
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Seth

Flightless Bird
"nk2 file" <me2@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:brBbo.74942$KT3.47714@newsfe13.iad...
> On 8/20/2010 2:53 PM, Seth wrote:
>>
>> "nk2 file" <me2@privacy.net> wrote in message
>> news:8Pzbo.21220$1v3.3853@newsfe20.iad...
>>> Hi. I am setting up an environment where various windows clients
>>> connect to a windows 2008 terminal server. I am trying to configure
>>> various things in their terminal services connection profile to the
>>> server and I am confused by the settings I am seeing. I thought that
>>> windows server 2008 was the parallel server OS to windows 7 client
>>> (please tell me if that is incorrect).
>>
>> 2008R2. 2008 (with no R#) = Vista kernel.
>
> Thanks for correcting me.
>
>>
>>> When I am on a windows 7 desktop pc, I can find certain options like
>>> choosing what the default start menu power button action is. How do I
>>> find this on the server in the terminal services profile for the user?
>>
>> Power options should never be presented to a TS user. You give them the
>> ability to power down/reboot it disrupts other users. TS user should
>> only have Logoff and Disconnect options. Only admins can
>> reboot/shut-down.
>
> Correct, I'm actually trying to change the start menu power button default
> to log off instead of lock in the terminal services profile, which are the
> only options available for the user.

Which are you actually on so I can try and check? 2008 or R2? None of my
test systems are currently configured at Terminal Servers for regular users
(only admin mode services are activated) but if I get a chance I'll change
one to see whats up.

No promises, just "if I get a chance".

>>> Or when I am on windows 2008 server, I can choose to use the classic
>>> start menu. How do I find this on the windows 7 pc?
>>>
>>> If these options do not translate or have an equivalent setting in the
>>> other OS, why have they diverged the GUI options so much?
>>
>> Same kernel =! Same GUI options. Kernel is the underlying engine. GUI is
>> just lipstick.
>>
>>
>
> In older versions of windows, it seemed to me that the GUI options did
> parallel pretty closely between server and client OS, but I'll just live
> with what is there now.
>
> Thanks for the reply Seth.

Oh, if someone else said 2008 is the server version/equivalent of XP, no.
You are correct, that 2003. 2008=Vista kernel.
 
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Dave \Crash\ Dummy

Flightless Bird
nk2 file wrote:
> On 8/20/2010 1:58 PM, Frank wrote:
>> On 8/20/2010 11:28 AM, nk2 file wrote:
>>> Or when I am on windows 2008 server, I can choose to use the
>>> classic start menu. How do I find this on the windows 7 pc?
>>>
>> Not available. That is it available in 2008 is a clue that 2008 is
>> not the "companion' to W7, but is for XP.

There is a third party Classic Start Menu attachment available for W7.
That's what I use. This is what it looks like:
http://crash.thedatalist.com/temp/classic.htm
and here is where you can get it:
http://classicshell.sourceforge.net/

--
Crash

"The real question is not whether machines think but whether men do."
~ B. F. Skinner ~
 
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Peter Foldes

Flightless Bird
nk2 file

Which one are you using W2K8 or W2K8 R2. It makes a big difference to what you want
to achieve with TS installed

BTW. W2K3 is not equivalent to XP. It is a kernel based OS and as such not
equivalent to either XP or Vista as is W2K8 R2 not equilavant to W7 because of it's
kernel base.

--
Peter

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"nk2 file" <me2@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:brBbo.74942$KT3.47714@newsfe13.iad...
> On 8/20/2010 2:53 PM, Seth wrote:
>>
>> "nk2 file" <me2@privacy.net> wrote in message
>> news:8Pzbo.21220$1v3.3853@newsfe20.iad...
>>> Hi. I am setting up an environment where various windows clients
>>> connect to a windows 2008 terminal server. I am trying to configure
>>> various things in their terminal services connection profile to the
>>> server and I am confused by the settings I am seeing. I thought that
>>> windows server 2008 was the parallel server OS to windows 7 client
>>> (please tell me if that is incorrect).
>>
>> 2008R2. 2008 (with no R#) = Vista kernel.
>
> Thanks for correcting me.
>
>>
>>> When I am on a windows 7 desktop pc, I can find certain options like
>>> choosing what the default start menu power button action is. How do I
>>> find this on the server in the terminal services profile for the user?
>>
>> Power options should never be presented to a TS user. You give them the
>> ability to power down/reboot it disrupts other users. TS user should
>> only have Logoff and Disconnect options. Only admins can reboot/shut-down.
>
> Correct, I'm actually trying to change the start menu power button default to log
> off instead of lock in the terminal services profile, which are the only options
> available for the user.
>
>>
>>> Or when I am on windows 2008 server, I can choose to use the classic
>>> start menu. How do I find this on the windows 7 pc?
>>>
>>> If these options do not translate or have an equivalent setting in the
>>> other OS, why have they diverged the GUI options so much?
>>
>> Same kernel =! Same GUI options. Kernel is the underlying engine. GUI is
>> just lipstick.
>>
>>
>
> In older versions of windows, it seemed to me that the GUI options did parallel
> pretty closely between server and client OS, but I'll just live with what is there
> now.
>
> Thanks for the reply Seth.
 
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Frank

Flightless Bird
On 8/20/2010 3:12 PM, Peter Foldes wrote:
> nk2 file
>
> Which one are you using W2K8 or W2K8 R2. It makes a big difference to
> what you want to achieve with TS installed
>
> BTW. W2K3 is not equivalent to XP. It is a kernel based OS and as such
> not equivalent to either XP or Vista as is W2K8 R2 not equilavant to W7
> because of it's kernel base.
>
Nobody said they were "equivalent". Sever 2008 R2 is the "companion" to
Windows 7, having the same GUI and options.
Got it?
 
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nk2 file

Flightless Bird
On 8/20/2010 5:27 PM, Frank wrote:
> On 8/20/2010 3:12 PM, Peter Foldes wrote:
>> nk2 file
>>
>> Which one are you using W2K8 or W2K8 R2. It makes a big difference to
>> what you want to achieve with TS installed

2008

>>
>> BTW. W2K3 is not equivalent to XP. It is a kernel based OS and as such
>> not equivalent to either XP or Vista as is W2K8 R2 not equilavant to W7
>> because of it's kernel base.
>>

Gotcha, I'm just trying to find out which GUIs have the same options.

> Nobody said they were "equivalent". Sever 2008 R2 is the "companion" to
> Windows 7, having the same GUI and options.


This is exactly the info I needed. Thank you!
 
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Peter Foldes

Flightless Bird
Frank

No it is not. Post the links here comparing the GUI for both. W2K8 is Kernel based
and Win 7 is not. I should NOT know? I was on the Beta Team and not the Public one
and starting from Alpha all the way to the Public and then on Private

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"Frank" <fab@sd.crm> wrote in message news:4c6f0173@news.x-privat.org...
> On 8/20/2010 3:12 PM, Peter Foldes wrote:
>> nk2 file
>>
>> Which one are you using W2K8 or W2K8 R2. It makes a big difference to
>> what you want to achieve with TS installed
>>
>> BTW. W2K3 is not equivalent to XP. It is a kernel based OS and as such
>> not equivalent to either XP or Vista as is W2K8 R2 not equilavant to W7
>> because of it's kernel base.
>>
> Nobody said they were "equivalent". Sever 2008 R2 is the "companion" to Windows 7,
> having the same GUI and options.
> Got it?
 
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Frank

Flightless Bird
On 8/23/2010 3:06 PM, Peter Foldes wrote:
> Frank
>
> No it is not.

Yes it is.

Post the links here comparing the GUI for both.

I have both Windows 7 & Server 2008 R2. So I can actually see that both
the GUI & most options are the same.

W2K8 is
> Kernel based and Win 7 is not.

hehehe...we're talking GUI & options...not about the kernel.
Oops!

I should NOT know?

Obviously, you don't.

I was on the Beta Team
> and not the Public one and starting from Alpha all the way to the Public
> and then on Private

So I guess they fired you for incompetence?
Figures!
>
 
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Frank

Flightless Bird
On 8/23/2010 3:29 PM, Frank wrote:
> On 8/23/2010 3:06 PM, Peter Foldes wrote:
>> Frank
>>
>> No it is not.
>
> Yes it is.
>
> Post the links here comparing the GUI for both.
>
> I have both Windows 7 & Server 2008 R2. So I can actually see that both
> the GUI & most options are the same.
>
> W2K8 is
>> Kernel based and Win 7 is not.

Oh and one other salient point...we're talking 2008 R2, which is very
different than 2008.
Got it?
>
> hehehe...we're talking GUI & options...not about the kernel.
> Oops!
>
> I should NOT know?
>
> Obviously, you don't.
>
> I was on the Beta Team
>> and not the Public one and starting from Alpha all the way to the Public
>> and then on Private
>
> So I guess they fired you for incompetence?
> Figures!
>>
>
 
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Peter Foldes

Flightless Bird
Geez Frank. You are more dumb that I thought . I am not going into this Trolling
with you. Windows 7 and W2K8 R2 are different Guids as is this W2K3 Enterprise I am
posting from. Get a life man.

--
Peter

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"Frank" <fab@sd.crm> wrote in message news:4c72f8d1$1@news.x-privat.org...
> On 8/23/2010 3:29 PM, Frank wrote:
>> On 8/23/2010 3:06 PM, Peter Foldes wrote:
>>> Frank
>>>
>>> No it is not.
>>
>> Yes it is.
>>
>> Post the links here comparing the GUI for both.
>>
>> I have both Windows 7 & Server 2008 R2. So I can actually see that both
>> the GUI & most options are the same.
>>
>> W2K8 is
>>> Kernel based and Win 7 is not.
>
> Oh and one other salient point...we're talking 2008 R2, which is very different
> than 2008.
> Got it?
>>
>> hehehe...we're talking GUI & options...not about the kernel.
>> Oops!
>>
>> I should NOT know?
>>
>> Obviously, you don't.
>>
>> I was on the Beta Team
>>> and not the Public one and starting from Alpha all the way to the Public
>>> and then on Private
>>
>> So I guess they fired you for incompetence?
>> Figures!
>>>
>>
>
 
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Frank

Flightless Bird
On 8/23/2010 8:49 PM, Peter Foldes wrote:
> Geez Frank. You are more dumb that I thought . I am not going into this
> Trolling with you. Windows 7 and W2K8 R2 are different Guids as is this
> W2K3 Enterprise I am posting from. Get a life man.
>
hehehe...you don't have Windows Server 2008 R2 do you...hahaha...I
though so!
Now that is the 4th or 5th time I have caught you being technically
incorrect. Are you drunk, on drugs or mentally retarded or any combo of
those three?
Oops!
 
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