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LewB
Flightless Bird
And did you re-enable the McAfee application immediately upon rebooting
after you installed SP3?
Yes
When (approx. date) does your current McAfee subscription expire?
It is gratis from Cox, my ISP, as part of their internet service and has
no date of expiration
Has any other McAfee application or a Norton application ever been installed
on the computer (including but not limited to free-trial versions)?
None that I can recall.....but this computer (2004) was an update of
the one built by the
same person for me in 1999 but updated with more RAM, XP instead of
Win98, SATA's,
etc and it's presumably possible that McAfee or Norton could have been
there briefly....I
just don't recall but there is no Norton program on the computer now.
I installed McAfee
a few months ago. Before then Avast was my AV program for a few years.
Is Automatic Updates enabled?
Yes
Are KB980182 and KB979683 both listed in Add/Remove Programs (after making
sure the Show Updates box at the top is checked/enabled)?
KB979683 is there. KB980182 is not. (Only KB 980232)
LJB
--
LJB
"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:
> > ...[SP3] was installed after I disabled McAfee.
>
> And did you re-enable the McAfee application immediately upon rebooting
> after you installed SP3?
>
> When (approx. date) does your current McAfee subscription expire?
>
> Has any other McAfee application or a Norton application ever been installed
> on the computer (including but not limited to free-trial versions)?
>
> Is Automatic Updates enabled?
>
> Are KB980182 and KB979683 both listed in Add/Remove Programs (after making
> sure the Show Updates box at the top is checked/enabled)?
>
> The above notwithstanding, one would expect to find a legitimate listing of
> "Microsoft Antispyware" on a WinXP computer if and only if Windows Defender
> beta had been installed (and never uninstalled). Do with this information
> as you see fit.
>
>
> LewB wrote:
> > Did you own the computer in February 2005? [yes/no]
> > Yes, it was custom bult for me in May 2004
> >
> > And did you intentionally download/install Windows Defender beta? [yes/no]
> > I don't think so. I rarely if ever have downloaded beta softwae.
> >
> > And did you uninstall all beta builds before you installed Defender
> > final/RTW on or shortly after 26 October 2006? [yes/no]
> > No. The Defender program on my computer is dated January 2007
> >
> > I kinda lost track here: Are you still unable to install SP3? [yes/no]
> > No, it was installed after I disabled McAfee.
> >
> >> Did you own the computer in February 2005? [yes/no]
> >>
> >> And did you intentionally download/install Windows Defender beta?
> >> [yes/no]
> >>
> >> And did you uninstall all beta builds before you installed Defender
> >> final/RTW on or shortly after 26 October 2006? [yes/no]
> >>
> >> I kinda lost track here: Are you still unable to install SP3? [yes/no]
> >>
> >>
> >> LewB wrote:
> >>> Of course I want to have this computer secure. Reviewing your note of
> >>> 4-13
> >>> you referenced several links about Microsoft Antispyware being a rogue
> >>> and
> >>> these links are dated in late 2007.
> >>>
> >>> Sunbelt Blog: Fake Microsoft Antispyware Center:
> >>> http://sunbeltblog.blogspot.com/2007/10/fake-microsoft-antispyware-center.html
> >>>
> >>> McAfee Labs Blog: AntiSpyStorm: Fake Microsoft AntiSpyware Center
> >>> pushing
> >>> Adware
> >>> http://www.avertlabs.com/research/b...-microsoft-antispyware-center-pushing-adware/
> >>>
> >>> Fake Microsoft AntiSpyware Site Aims For Credit Card Numbers
> >>> http://www.informationweek.com/news/internet/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=202401707
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Fake Microsoft AntiSpyware Site Aims For Credit Card Numbers
> >>> http://www.informationweek.com/news/internet/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=202401707
> >>>
> >>> The Microsoft Antispyware in my Program Files has a date of February
> >>> 2005.
> >>> Is it possible therefore that this is a valid program as suggested by
> >>> the
> >>> link in Ken's note of 4/13.
> >>>
> >>> To my surprise (I didn't remember this at all) Windows Defender
> >>> was
> >>> formerly known as Microsoft Antispyware. See
> >>>
> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_AntiSpyware
> >>>
> >>> I'm not trying to be difficult and want to do what is best/right.
> >>>
> >>> Lew
> >>>
> >>>> Do you want a secure, trustworthy computer or do you want to risk
> >>>> losing
> >>>> those other programs?
> >>>>
> >>>> LewB wrote:
> >>>>> That's a pretty extensive recommendation for a computer that quite
> >>>>> frankly
> >>>>> seems to works normally. I have no qualms about formatting and
> >>>>> reinstalling
> >>>>> XP. I do have the original XP discs and would need to work up to SP3.
> >>>>> And
> >>>>> I have my Microsoft Office discs. But there are some programs I want
> >>>>> to
> >>>>> keep that I purchased/obtained online and there are no installation
> >>>>> discs
> >>>>> for them. Some of them have executable (.exe) files associatied with
> >>>>> their
> >>>>> icons and double clicking on them starting the installation process as
> >>>>> I
> >>>>> recall. Thus if I selectively include these programs in my backup so
> >>>>> they
> >>>>> will be included in the restore process, will I be able to reinstall
> >>>>> each
> >>>>> one that has an executable file since I will not have an installation
> >>>>> disc?
> >>>>> That is my major concern. You advise backing up only those
> >>>>> programs/files
> >>>>> I
> >>>>> know are trustworthy. How can I tell? If Microsoft Antispyware is a
> >>>>> rogue
> >>>>> is there no way to remove it short of what you have written??
> >>>>> Lew
> >>>>> LJB
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Back-up any personal data (none of which should be considered 100%
> >>>>>> trustworthy at this point) then format the HDD & do a clean install
> >>>>>> of
> >>>>>> Windows. Please note that a Repair Install (AKA in-place upgrade)
> >>>>>> will
> >>>>>> NOT
> >>>>>> fix this!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> HOW TO do a clean install of WinXP: See
> >>>>>> http://michaelstevenstech.com/cleanxpinstall.html#steps and/or Method
> >>>>>> 1
> >>>>>> in
> >>>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/978307
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> After the clean install, you will have the equivalent of a "new
> >>>>>> computer"
> >>>>>> so
> >>>>>> take care of everything on the following page before otherwise
> >>>>>> connecting
> >>>>>> the machine to the internet or a local network (i.e., other
> >>>>>> computers)
> >>>>>> and
> >>>>>> before using a flash drive or SDCard that isn't brand-new or hasn't
> >>>>>> been
> >>>>>> freshly formatted:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 4 steps to help protect your new computer before you go online
> >>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/security/pypc.aspx
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Other helpful references include:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> HOW TO get a computer running WinXP Gold (no Service Packs) fully
> >>>>>> patched
> >>>>>> (after a clean install)
> >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsupdate/msg/3f5afa8ed33e121c
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> HOW TO get a computer running WinXP SP1(a) or SP2 fully patched
> >>>>>> (after
> >>>>>> a
> >>>>>> clean install)
> >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/msg/a066ae41add7dd2b
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Tip: After getting the computer fully-patched, download/install
> >>>>>> KB971029
> >>>>>> manually: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/971029
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> NB: Any Norton or McAfee free-trial that came preinstalled on the
> >>>>>> computer
> >>>>>> when you bought it will be reinstalled (but invalid) when Windows is
> >>>>>> reinstalled. You MUST uninstall the free-trial and download/run the
> >>>>>> appropriate removal tool before installing any updates, Windows
> >>>>>> Service
> >>>>>> Packs or IE upgrades and before installing your new anti-virus
> >>>>>> application
> >>>>>> (which will require WinXP SP3 to be installed).
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Norton Removal Tool
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ftp://ftp.symantec.com/public/english_us_canada/removal_tools/Norton_Removal_Tool.exe
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> McAfee Consumer Products Removal Tool
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> http://download.mcafee.com/products/licensed/cust_support_patches/MCPR.exe
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Also see:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Risks & Benefits of P2P file sharing
> >>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/protect/data/downloadfileshare/filesharing.aspx
> >>>>>> http://blogs.technet.com/mmpc/archive/2008/10/06/the-cost-of-free-software.aspx
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Steps To Help Prevent Spyware
> >>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/security/spyware/prevent.aspx
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Steps to Help Prevent Computer Worms
> >>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/security/worms/prevent.aspx
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Avoid Rogue Security Software!
> >>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/security/antivirus/rogue.aspx
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> If these procedures look too complex - and there is no shame in
> >>>>>> admitting
> >>>>>> this isn't your cup of tea - take the machine to a local, reputable
> >>>>>> and
> >>>>>> independent (i.e., not BigBoxStoreUSA or Geek Squad) computer repair
> >>>>>> shop.
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
> >>>>>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> LewB wrote:
> >>>>>>> Ok so the consensus is this is a rogue file. Did I download this
> >>>>>>> because
> >>>>>>> it
> >>>>>>> looked real and is, in fact, I presume from you discussions,
> >>>>>>> malware??
> >>>>>>> Anyway the basis question of how to deal with it has not been
> >>>>>>> answered.
> >>>>>>> The
> >>>>>>> program is not listed in Add/Remove in CP and in Program Files there
> >>>>>>> is
> >>>>>>> no
> >>>>>>> uninstall file among the 13 after the 3 folders. There is a
> >>>>>>> cleaner.log
> >>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>> an error.log (both on Notepad) and on opening them a fair bit of
> >>>>>>> activity
> >>>>>>> is
> >>>>>>> listed. I tried to copy to a new files I created in Word and then
> >>>>>>> place
> >>>>>>> it
> >>>>>>> here but it won't let me do it.
> >>>>>>> As you and Ken have been in contact I will not copy this to him.
> >>>>>>> Thanks
> >>>>>>> to all of you for your continuing input and help.
> >>>>>> <snip>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> .
> >>>>
> >>>> .
> >>
> >> .
>
> .
>
after you installed SP3?
Yes
When (approx. date) does your current McAfee subscription expire?
It is gratis from Cox, my ISP, as part of their internet service and has
no date of expiration
Has any other McAfee application or a Norton application ever been installed
on the computer (including but not limited to free-trial versions)?
None that I can recall.....but this computer (2004) was an update of
the one built by the
same person for me in 1999 but updated with more RAM, XP instead of
Win98, SATA's,
etc and it's presumably possible that McAfee or Norton could have been
there briefly....I
just don't recall but there is no Norton program on the computer now.
I installed McAfee
a few months ago. Before then Avast was my AV program for a few years.
Is Automatic Updates enabled?
Yes
Are KB980182 and KB979683 both listed in Add/Remove Programs (after making
sure the Show Updates box at the top is checked/enabled)?
KB979683 is there. KB980182 is not. (Only KB 980232)
LJB
--
LJB
"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:
> > ...[SP3] was installed after I disabled McAfee.
>
> And did you re-enable the McAfee application immediately upon rebooting
> after you installed SP3?
>
> When (approx. date) does your current McAfee subscription expire?
>
> Has any other McAfee application or a Norton application ever been installed
> on the computer (including but not limited to free-trial versions)?
>
> Is Automatic Updates enabled?
>
> Are KB980182 and KB979683 both listed in Add/Remove Programs (after making
> sure the Show Updates box at the top is checked/enabled)?
>
> The above notwithstanding, one would expect to find a legitimate listing of
> "Microsoft Antispyware" on a WinXP computer if and only if Windows Defender
> beta had been installed (and never uninstalled). Do with this information
> as you see fit.
>
>
> LewB wrote:
> > Did you own the computer in February 2005? [yes/no]
> > Yes, it was custom bult for me in May 2004
> >
> > And did you intentionally download/install Windows Defender beta? [yes/no]
> > I don't think so. I rarely if ever have downloaded beta softwae.
> >
> > And did you uninstall all beta builds before you installed Defender
> > final/RTW on or shortly after 26 October 2006? [yes/no]
> > No. The Defender program on my computer is dated January 2007
> >
> > I kinda lost track here: Are you still unable to install SP3? [yes/no]
> > No, it was installed after I disabled McAfee.
> >
> >> Did you own the computer in February 2005? [yes/no]
> >>
> >> And did you intentionally download/install Windows Defender beta?
> >> [yes/no]
> >>
> >> And did you uninstall all beta builds before you installed Defender
> >> final/RTW on or shortly after 26 October 2006? [yes/no]
> >>
> >> I kinda lost track here: Are you still unable to install SP3? [yes/no]
> >>
> >>
> >> LewB wrote:
> >>> Of course I want to have this computer secure. Reviewing your note of
> >>> 4-13
> >>> you referenced several links about Microsoft Antispyware being a rogue
> >>> and
> >>> these links are dated in late 2007.
> >>>
> >>> Sunbelt Blog: Fake Microsoft Antispyware Center:
> >>> http://sunbeltblog.blogspot.com/2007/10/fake-microsoft-antispyware-center.html
> >>>
> >>> McAfee Labs Blog: AntiSpyStorm: Fake Microsoft AntiSpyware Center
> >>> pushing
> >>> Adware
> >>> http://www.avertlabs.com/research/b...-microsoft-antispyware-center-pushing-adware/
> >>>
> >>> Fake Microsoft AntiSpyware Site Aims For Credit Card Numbers
> >>> http://www.informationweek.com/news/internet/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=202401707
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Fake Microsoft AntiSpyware Site Aims For Credit Card Numbers
> >>> http://www.informationweek.com/news/internet/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=202401707
> >>>
> >>> The Microsoft Antispyware in my Program Files has a date of February
> >>> 2005.
> >>> Is it possible therefore that this is a valid program as suggested by
> >>> the
> >>> link in Ken's note of 4/13.
> >>>
> >>> To my surprise (I didn't remember this at all) Windows Defender
> >>> was
> >>> formerly known as Microsoft Antispyware. See
> >>>
> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_AntiSpyware
> >>>
> >>> I'm not trying to be difficult and want to do what is best/right.
> >>>
> >>> Lew
> >>>
> >>>> Do you want a secure, trustworthy computer or do you want to risk
> >>>> losing
> >>>> those other programs?
> >>>>
> >>>> LewB wrote:
> >>>>> That's a pretty extensive recommendation for a computer that quite
> >>>>> frankly
> >>>>> seems to works normally. I have no qualms about formatting and
> >>>>> reinstalling
> >>>>> XP. I do have the original XP discs and would need to work up to SP3.
> >>>>> And
> >>>>> I have my Microsoft Office discs. But there are some programs I want
> >>>>> to
> >>>>> keep that I purchased/obtained online and there are no installation
> >>>>> discs
> >>>>> for them. Some of them have executable (.exe) files associatied with
> >>>>> their
> >>>>> icons and double clicking on them starting the installation process as
> >>>>> I
> >>>>> recall. Thus if I selectively include these programs in my backup so
> >>>>> they
> >>>>> will be included in the restore process, will I be able to reinstall
> >>>>> each
> >>>>> one that has an executable file since I will not have an installation
> >>>>> disc?
> >>>>> That is my major concern. You advise backing up only those
> >>>>> programs/files
> >>>>> I
> >>>>> know are trustworthy. How can I tell? If Microsoft Antispyware is a
> >>>>> rogue
> >>>>> is there no way to remove it short of what you have written??
> >>>>> Lew
> >>>>> LJB
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Back-up any personal data (none of which should be considered 100%
> >>>>>> trustworthy at this point) then format the HDD & do a clean install
> >>>>>> of
> >>>>>> Windows. Please note that a Repair Install (AKA in-place upgrade)
> >>>>>> will
> >>>>>> NOT
> >>>>>> fix this!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> HOW TO do a clean install of WinXP: See
> >>>>>> http://michaelstevenstech.com/cleanxpinstall.html#steps and/or Method
> >>>>>> 1
> >>>>>> in
> >>>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/978307
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> After the clean install, you will have the equivalent of a "new
> >>>>>> computer"
> >>>>>> so
> >>>>>> take care of everything on the following page before otherwise
> >>>>>> connecting
> >>>>>> the machine to the internet or a local network (i.e., other
> >>>>>> computers)
> >>>>>> and
> >>>>>> before using a flash drive or SDCard that isn't brand-new or hasn't
> >>>>>> been
> >>>>>> freshly formatted:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 4 steps to help protect your new computer before you go online
> >>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/security/pypc.aspx
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Other helpful references include:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> HOW TO get a computer running WinXP Gold (no Service Packs) fully
> >>>>>> patched
> >>>>>> (after a clean install)
> >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsupdate/msg/3f5afa8ed33e121c
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> HOW TO get a computer running WinXP SP1(a) or SP2 fully patched
> >>>>>> (after
> >>>>>> a
> >>>>>> clean install)
> >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/msg/a066ae41add7dd2b
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Tip: After getting the computer fully-patched, download/install
> >>>>>> KB971029
> >>>>>> manually: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/971029
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> NB: Any Norton or McAfee free-trial that came preinstalled on the
> >>>>>> computer
> >>>>>> when you bought it will be reinstalled (but invalid) when Windows is
> >>>>>> reinstalled. You MUST uninstall the free-trial and download/run the
> >>>>>> appropriate removal tool before installing any updates, Windows
> >>>>>> Service
> >>>>>> Packs or IE upgrades and before installing your new anti-virus
> >>>>>> application
> >>>>>> (which will require WinXP SP3 to be installed).
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Norton Removal Tool
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ftp://ftp.symantec.com/public/english_us_canada/removal_tools/Norton_Removal_Tool.exe
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> McAfee Consumer Products Removal Tool
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> http://download.mcafee.com/products/licensed/cust_support_patches/MCPR.exe
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Also see:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Risks & Benefits of P2P file sharing
> >>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/protect/data/downloadfileshare/filesharing.aspx
> >>>>>> http://blogs.technet.com/mmpc/archive/2008/10/06/the-cost-of-free-software.aspx
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Steps To Help Prevent Spyware
> >>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/security/spyware/prevent.aspx
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Steps to Help Prevent Computer Worms
> >>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/security/worms/prevent.aspx
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Avoid Rogue Security Software!
> >>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/security/antivirus/rogue.aspx
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> If these procedures look too complex - and there is no shame in
> >>>>>> admitting
> >>>>>> this isn't your cup of tea - take the machine to a local, reputable
> >>>>>> and
> >>>>>> independent (i.e., not BigBoxStoreUSA or Geek Squad) computer repair
> >>>>>> shop.
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
> >>>>>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> LewB wrote:
> >>>>>>> Ok so the consensus is this is a rogue file. Did I download this
> >>>>>>> because
> >>>>>>> it
> >>>>>>> looked real and is, in fact, I presume from you discussions,
> >>>>>>> malware??
> >>>>>>> Anyway the basis question of how to deal with it has not been
> >>>>>>> answered.
> >>>>>>> The
> >>>>>>> program is not listed in Add/Remove in CP and in Program Files there
> >>>>>>> is
> >>>>>>> no
> >>>>>>> uninstall file among the 13 after the 3 folders. There is a
> >>>>>>> cleaner.log
> >>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>> an error.log (both on Notepad) and on opening them a fair bit of
> >>>>>>> activity
> >>>>>>> is
> >>>>>>> listed. I tried to copy to a new files I created in Word and then
> >>>>>>> place
> >>>>>>> it
> >>>>>>> here but it won't let me do it.
> >>>>>>> As you and Ken have been in contact I will not copy this to him.
> >>>>>>> Thanks
> >>>>>>> to all of you for your continuing input and help.
> >>>>>> <snip>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> .
> >>>>
> >>>> .
> >>
> >> .
>
> .
>