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SP3 question

Discussion in 'Windows XP' started by Henry, Jun 30, 2010.

  1. Henry

    Henry Flightless Bird

    I'm running WinXP Pro SP2 on a Dell Dimension 3 GHz machine with 2 Gig
    of RAM.

    I have only heard bad things from people I know who tried to install
    SP3 and on newsgroups. It seems that one of three things will happen.

    1. Everything will go well and it will work OK. (Seldom)

    2. It will seem to go well for some period of time and then something
    happens and your computer gets screwed up.

    3. It will not install correctly and your computer gets screwed up.

    With the last two, a clean re-install of WinXP is required to get back
    running.

    With my luck with updates, one of the last two will occur.

    Since support for SP2 is ending shortly, I need advice.

    Signed Scared

    Henry
     
  2. Bruce Hagen

    Bruce Hagen Flightless Bird

    "Henry" <wa0goz@arrl.net> wrote in message
    news:i0h5q0$3lg$1@news.eternal-september.org...
    > I'm running WinXP Pro SP2 on a Dell Dimension 3 GHz machine with 2 Gig
    > of RAM.
    >
    > I have only heard bad things from people I know who tried to install SP3
    > and on newsgroups. It seems that one of three things will happen.
    >
    > 1. Everything will go well and it will work OK. (Seldom)
    >
    > 2. It will seem to go well for some period of time and then something
    > happens and your computer gets screwed up.
    >
    > 3. It will not install correctly and your computer gets screwed up.
    >
    > With the last two, a clean re-install of WinXP is required to get back
    > running.
    >
    > With my luck with updates, one of the last two will occur.
    >
    > Since support for SP2 is ending shortly, I need advice.
    >
    > Signed Scared
    >
    > Henry



    1: Not seldom.
    2: Seldom.
    3: Seldom.

    Steps to take before you install Windows XP Service Pack 3:
    http://support.microsoft.com:80/kb/950717

    WinXP SP3 - Read all prerequisites for a successful installation
    http://msmvps.com/blogs/harrywaldro...requisites-for-a-successful-installation.aspx

    Release Notes for Windows XP Service Pack 3
    http://download.microsoft.com/download/c/d/8/cd8cc719-7d5a-40d3-a802-e4057aa8c631/relnotes.htm

    Download Windows XP Service Pack 3 here. Do not use Windows updates.
    http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...A8-5E76-401F-BE08-1E1555D4F3D4&displaylang=en

    Before you install, turn off your anti-virus and any anti-spyware programs
    such as Windows Defender. If you use a third party firewall, disable it
    and turn on the Windows Firewall in the Control Panel for the
    installation. Once SP3 is in and working, you can enable the third party
    firewall and turn off the Windows Firewall. Do not keep both running.
    --
    Bruce Hagen
    MS-MVP [Mail]
    Imperial Beach, CA
     
  3. Paul

    Paul Flightless Bird

    Henry wrote:
    > I'm running WinXP Pro SP2 on a Dell Dimension 3 GHz machine with 2 Gig
    > of RAM.
    >
    > I have only heard bad things from people I know who tried to install SP3
    > and on newsgroups. It seems that one of three things will happen.
    >
    > 1. Everything will go well and it will work OK. (Seldom)
    >
    > 2. It will seem to go well for some period of time and then something
    > happens and your computer gets screwed up.
    >
    > 3. It will not install correctly and your computer gets screwed up.
    >
    > With the last two, a clean re-install of WinXP is required to get back
    > running.
    >
    > With my luck with updates, one of the last two will occur.
    >
    > Since support for SP2 is ending shortly, I need advice.
    >
    > Signed Scared
    >
    > Henry


    If you have good backup software, and room on a spare disk
    for a backup, then you shouldn't have any immediate worries.
    As long as your backup software has "bare metal" capabilities,
    like its own boot CD, then you should be able to put your C:
    back exactly as it was. That should take care of most of the
    worries about trashing C: with SP3.

    Paul
     
  4. Jerry Ed

    Jerry Ed Flightless Bird

    I have a Dell 380 workstation with WinXP Pro, 3.2 GHz,
    1 Gig ram, 15000 rpm Cheetah, IE7, NOD32, Windows Firewall.

    Two years ago I installed SP3.

    The only problem I had was "Service Pack 3 setup error. Service Pack
    installation did not complete ".
    The following Microsoft Support page is what I used to solve the problem.
    http://support.microsoft.com/kb/949377

    Under MORE INFORMATION, I checked the svcpack.log and found
    "DoRegistryUpdates failed".

    Under ADVANCED TROUBLESHOOTING, I did the "Let me fix it myself".
    (Starts with downloading Subinacl.exe).
    It took about 6 minutes for Reset.cmd to run.

    JE


    "Henry" <wa0goz@arrl.net> wrote in message
    news:i0h5q0$3lg$1@news.eternal-september.org...
    > I'm running WinXP Pro SP2 on a Dell Dimension 3 GHz machine with 2 Gig of
    > RAM.
    >
    > I have only heard bad things from people I know who tried to install SP3
    > and on newsgroups. It seems that one of three things will happen.
    >
    > 1. Everything will go well and it will work OK. (Seldom)
    >
    > 2. It will seem to go well for some period of time and then something
    > happens and your computer gets screwed up.
    >
    > 3. It will not install correctly and your computer gets screwed up.
    >
    > With the last two, a clean re-install of WinXP is required to get back
    > running.
    >
    > With my luck with updates, one of the last two will occur.
    >
    > Since support for SP2 is ending shortly, I need advice.
    >
    > Signed Scared
    >
    > Henry
     
  5. Big_Al

    Big_Al Flightless Bird

    Henry said this on 7/1/2010 12:33 AM:
    > I'm running WinXP Pro SP2 on a Dell Dimension 3 GHz machine with 2 Gig
    > of RAM.
    >
    > I have only heard bad things from people I know who tried to install SP3
    > and on newsgroups. It seems that one of three things will happen.
    >
    > 1. Everything will go well and it will work OK. (Seldom)
    >
    > 2. It will seem to go well for some period of time and then something
    > happens and your computer gets screwed up.
    >
    > 3. It will not install correctly and your computer gets screwed up.
    >
    > With the last two, a clean re-install of WinXP is required to get back
    > running.
    >
    > With my luck with updates, one of the last two will occur.
    >
    > Since support for SP2 is ending shortly, I need advice.
    >
    > Signed Scared
    >
    > Henry


    You only hear about the troubles. The millions of users that did it
    and it worked, you don't hear about. I have 3 PC's and all were
    upgraded fine.

    Some basic help: Download the update and run it manually rather than
    thru MS updates. Turn off AV software that might conflict with
    writing files. And make a backup with something like Acronis True
    Image that allows you to reset the system back to current settings. I
    think someone else mentioned that, and its a fabulous fallback and
    security blanket.
     
  6. Randem

    Randem Flightless Bird

    Most of the problems stemmed from AV software running at the time of
    install. Some problems were due to incorrect processor determination. If you
    are afraid just boot into safe mose and install there. In this way nothing
    will have a chance to interfere with the installation.

    --
    The Top Inno Setup Script Generator - http://www.randem.com/innoscript.html
     
  7. Tecknomage

    Tecknomage Flightless Bird

    On Wed, 30 Jun 2010 23:33:17 -0500, Henry <wa0goz@arrl.net> wrote:

    > I'm running WinXP Pro SP2 on a Dell Dimension 3 GHz machine with 2 Gig
    > of RAM.
    >
    > I have only heard bad things from people I know who tried to install
    > SP3 and on newsgroups. It seems that one of three things will happen.
    >
    > 1. Everything will go well and it will work OK. (Seldom)
    >
    > 2. It will seem to go well for some period of time and then something
    > happens and your computer gets screwed up.
    >
    > 3. It will not install correctly and your computer gets screwed up.
    >
    > With the last two, a clean re-install of WinXP is required to get back
    > running.
    >
    > With my luck with updates, one of the last two will occur.
    >
    > Since support for SP2 is ending shortly, I need advice.
    >
    > Signed Scared
    >
    > Henry



    First, I'm the IT Technician for a division of the company I work for,
    and have installed SP3 on all our WinXP Desktop systems except those
    used in our labs (we do software engineering) as requested by
    engineers.

    ONE VERY BIG WARNING:

    *After you install SP3 your original WinXP Setup CD will be useless
    for using the 2 Repair options on the CD.*

    You will be unable to boot to your old CD because Windows will insist
    you mount WinXP SP3 CD which you do not have.

    You can thank Microdunce for NOT warning you about this AND not
    offering to sell you a WinXP (Home, Pro, Media Center) SP3 CD.



    Having said that...

    I found the best way to install SP3 is NOT via the download install.

    Use the alternate SP3 Install CD.

    1) You need to have a CD Burner (writes CDs)

    2) Download the ISO (bootable image) from.....
    http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...ce-b5fb-4488-8c50-fe22559d164e&displaylang=en

    3) Burn the ISO image to CD and you now have a bootable CD that will
    Autorun when mounted in your CD drive and install SP3 like any program


    BUT as others have said, you need to prep your system BEFORE you
    start. They gave you links, but just in case, here's a ref site:
    http://social.technet.microsoft.com/forums/en-US/itproxpsp/threads/

    Note, AFTER installing SP3, highly suggest you wait a few days BEFORE
    running Microsoft Updates. Hope you have Auto Updates set to the
    'notify ONLY' option.

    I used this method at work and on my home system with no problems.



    Side note: We OEM WinXP on our products, and we HAD the "OEM WinXP
    Pro SP3" CD. Since the advent of Win7, the SP3 CD is no longer
    available. We still OEM WinXP via the Downgrade option (install WinXP
    on the Win7 license) for Win7 Pro.

    For a short period you could get the "OEM WinXP Pro SP3" CD open
    market (got it for my home system from Amazon way back), so there MAY
    be resellers that still have the CD in stock, but good luck in finding
    one.


    --
    ======== Tecknomage ========
    Computer Systems Specialist
    IT Technician
    San Diego, CA
     
  8. Doum

    Doum Flightless Bird

    Tecknomage <tecknode@NOSPAM.com> écrivait
    news:qdbp26dhsuna19389svdqllivb84d5vq1e@4ax.com:

    > On Wed, 30 Jun 2010 23:33:17 -0500, Henry <wa0goz@arrl.net> wrote:
    >
    >> I'm running WinXP Pro SP2 on a Dell Dimension 3 GHz machine with 2
    >> Gig of RAM.
    >>
    >> I have only heard bad things from people I know who tried to install
    >> SP3 and on newsgroups. It seems that one of three things will
    >> happen.
    >>
    >> 1. Everything will go well and it will work OK. (Seldom)
    >>
    >> 2. It will seem to go well for some period of time and then
    >> something happens and your computer gets screwed up.
    >>
    >> 3. It will not install correctly and your computer gets screwed up.
    >>
    >> With the last two, a clean re-install of WinXP is required to get
    >> back running.
    >>
    >> With my luck with updates, one of the last two will occur.
    >>
    >> Since support for SP2 is ending shortly, I need advice.
    >>
    >> Signed Scared
    >>
    >> Henry

    >
    >
    > First, I'm the IT Technician for a division of the company I work for,
    > and have installed SP3 on all our WinXP Desktop systems except those
    > used in our labs (we do software engineering) as requested by
    > engineers.
    >


    I'm glad you're not my IT technician.

    > ONE VERY BIG WARNING:
    >
    > *After you install SP3 your original WinXP Setup CD will be useless
    > for using the 2 Repair options on the CD.*
    >
    > You will be unable to boot to your old CD because Windows will insist
    > you mount WinXP SP3 CD which you do not have.
    >
    > You can thank Microdunce for NOT warning you about this AND not
    > offering to sell you a WinXP (Home, Pro, Media Center) SP3 CD.
    >


    It's very easy to make an installation CD with SP3 using an original
    installation CD (not a restoration CD) and the downloaded SP3 file (not
    the ISO), but as an expert you must already know that so I don't have to
    explain you how.

    >
    > Having said that...
    >
    > I found the best way to install SP3 is NOT via the download install.
    >


    Why? It's the same file contained in the ISO.

    > Use the alternate SP3 Install CD.
    >
    > 1) You need to have a CD Burner (writes CDs)
    >
    > 2) Download the ISO (bootable image) from.....
    > http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=2fcde6ce-b5fb-
    > 4488-8c50-fe22559d164e&displaylang=en
    >
    > 3) Burn the ISO image to CD and you now have a bootable CD that will
    > Autorun when mounted in your CD drive and install SP3 like any program
    >
    >
    > BUT as others have said, you need to prep your system BEFORE you
    > start. They gave you links, but just in case, here's a ref site:
    > http://social.technet.microsoft.com/forums/en-US/itproxpsp/threads/
    >
    > Note, AFTER installing SP3, highly suggest you wait a few days BEFORE
    > running Microsoft Updates. Hope you have Auto Updates set to the
    > 'notify ONLY' option.
    >


    Again why?

    > I used this method at work and on my home system with no problems.
    >
    >
    >
    > Side note: We OEM WinXP on our products, and we HAD the "OEM WinXP
    > Pro SP3" CD. Since the advent of Win7, the SP3 CD is no longer
    > available. We still OEM WinXP via the Downgrade option (install WinXP
    > on the Win7 license) for Win7 Pro.
    >
    > For a short period you could get the "OEM WinXP Pro SP3" CD open
    > market (got it for my home system from Amazon way back), so there MAY
    > be resellers that still have the CD in stock, but good luck in finding
    > one.


    Just make one!

    >
    >
    > --
    >======== Tecknomage ========
    > Computer Systems Specialist
    > IT Technician
    > San Diego, CA
    >
     
  9. Daave

    Daave Flightless Bird

    Tecknomage wrote:

    > First, I'm the IT Technician for a division of the company I work for,
    > and have installed SP3 on all our WinXP Desktop systems except those
    > used in our labs (we do software engineering) as requested by
    > engineers.
    >
    > ONE VERY BIG WARNING:
    >
    > *After you install SP3 your original WinXP Setup CD will be useless
    > for using the 2 Repair options on the CD.*
    >
    > You will be unable to boot to your old CD because Windows will insist
    > you mount WinXP SP3 CD which you do not have.
    >
    > You can thank Microdunce for NOT warning you about this AND not
    > offering to sell you a WinXP (Home, Pro, Media Center) SP3 CD.
    >
    >
    >
    > Having said that...
    >
    > I found the best way to install SP3 is NOT via the download install.
    >
    > Use the alternate SP3 Install CD.
    >
    > 1) You need to have a CD Burner (writes CDs)
    >
    > 2) Download the ISO (bootable image) from.....
    > http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...ce-b5fb-4488-8c50-fe22559d164e&displaylang=en
    >
    > 3) Burn the ISO image to CD and you now have a bootable CD that will
    > Autorun when mounted in your CD drive and install SP3 like any program
    >
    >
    > BUT as others have said, you need to prep your system BEFORE you
    > start. They gave you links, but just in case, here's a ref site:
    > http://social.technet.microsoft.com/forums/en-US/itproxpsp/threads/
    >
    > Note, AFTER installing SP3, highly suggest you wait a few days BEFORE
    > running Microsoft Updates. Hope you have Auto Updates set to the
    > 'notify ONLY' option.
    >
    > I used this method at work and on my home system with no problems.
    >
    >
    >
    > Side note: We OEM WinXP on our products, and we HAD the "OEM WinXP
    > Pro SP3" CD. Since the advent of Win7, the SP3 CD is no longer
    > available. We still OEM WinXP via the Downgrade option (install WinXP
    > on the Win7 license) for Win7 Pro.
    >
    > For a short period you could get the "OEM WinXP Pro SP3" CD open
    > market (got it for my home system from Amazon way back), so there MAY
    > be resellers that still have the CD in stock, but good luck in finding
    > one.


    Wow, that is an *awful* lot of misinformation there!

    Here is one place one may obtain XP Pro SP3 (OEM):

    http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=10010426
     
  10. PA Bear [MS MVP]

    PA Bear [MS MVP] Flightless Bird

    Asked/Answered in Win98 General (where you said, "I know this isn't a WinXP
    group, but it's a lot more active than those
    groups and the people seem knowledgeable") =>
    http://groups.google.com/group/micr...discussion/browse_frm/thread/e03213b4669b1f42


    Henry wrote:
    > I'm running WinXP Pro SP2 on a Dell Dimension 3 GHz machine with 2 Gig
    > of RAM.
    >
    > I have only heard bad things from people I know who tried to install
    > SP3 and on newsgroups. It seems that one of three things will happen.
    >
    > 1. Everything will go well and it will work OK. (Seldom)
    >
    > 2. It will seem to go well for some period of time and then something
    > happens and your computer gets screwed up.
    >
    > 3. It will not install correctly and your computer gets screwed up.
    >
    > With the last two, a clean re-install of WinXP is required to get back
    > running.
    >
    > With my luck with updates, one of the last two will occur.
    >
    > Since support for SP2 is ending shortly, I need advice.
    >
    > Signed Scared
    >
    > Henry
     
  11. PA Bear [MS MVP]

    PA Bear [MS MVP] Flightless Bird

    +1

    Daave wrote:
    > Tecknomage wrote:
    >
    >> First, I'm the IT Technician for a division of the company I work for,
    >> and have installed SP3 on all our WinXP Desktop systems except those
    >> used in our labs (we do software engineering) as requested by
    >> engineers.
    >>
    >> ONE VERY BIG WARNING:
    >>
    >> *After you install SP3 your original WinXP Setup CD will be useless
    >> for using the 2 Repair options on the CD.*
    >>
    >> You will be unable to boot to your old CD because Windows will insist
    >> you mount WinXP SP3 CD which you do not have.
    >>
    >> You can thank Microdunce for NOT warning you about this AND not
    >> offering to sell you a WinXP (Home, Pro, Media Center) SP3 CD.
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> Having said that...
    >>
    >> I found the best way to install SP3 is NOT via the download install.
    >>
    >> Use the alternate SP3 Install CD.
    >>
    >> 1) You need to have a CD Burner (writes CDs)
    >>
    >> 2) Download the ISO (bootable image) from.....
    >> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...ce-b5fb-4488-8c50-fe22559d164e&displaylang=en
    >>
    >> 3) Burn the ISO image to CD and you now have a bootable CD that will
    >> Autorun when mounted in your CD drive and install SP3 like any program
    >>
    >>
    >> BUT as others have said, you need to prep your system BEFORE you
    >> start. They gave you links, but just in case, here's a ref site:
    >> http://social.technet.microsoft.com/forums/en-US/itproxpsp/threads/
    >>
    >> Note, AFTER installing SP3, highly suggest you wait a few days BEFORE
    >> running Microsoft Updates. Hope you have Auto Updates set to the
    >> 'notify ONLY' option.
    >>
    >> I used this method at work and on my home system with no problems.
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> Side note: We OEM WinXP on our products, and we HAD the "OEM WinXP
    >> Pro SP3" CD. Since the advent of Win7, the SP3 CD is no longer
    >> available. We still OEM WinXP via the Downgrade option (install WinXP
    >> on the Win7 license) for Win7 Pro.
    >>
    >> For a short period you could get the "OEM WinXP Pro SP3" CD open
    >> market (got it for my home system from Amazon way back), so there MAY
    >> be resellers that still have the CD in stock, but good luck in finding
    >> one.

    >
    > Wow, that is an *awful* lot of misinformation there!
    >
    > Here is one place one may obtain XP Pro SP3 (OEM):
    >
    > http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=10010426
     
  12. HeyBub

    HeyBub Flightless Bird

    Henry wrote:
    > I'm running WinXP Pro SP2 on a Dell Dimension 3 GHz machine with 2 Gig
    > of RAM.
    >
    > I have only heard bad things from people I know who tried to install
    > SP3 and on newsgroups. It seems that one of three things will happen.
    >
    > 1. Everything will go well and it will work OK. (Seldom)
    >
    > 2. It will seem to go well for some period of time and then something
    > happens and your computer gets screwed up.
    >
    > 3. It will not install correctly and your computer gets screwed up.
    >
    > With the last two, a clean re-install of WinXP is required to get back
    > running.
    >
    > With my luck with updates, one of the last two will occur.
    >
    > Since support for SP2 is ending shortly, I need advice.
    >


    My advice is to get a completely new set of friends. The people who've been
    advising you are loons.
     
  13. xfile

    xfile Flightless Bird

    His advise, in my opinion, is solid for regular *non-techie* user.

    >> You can thank Microdunce for NOT warning you about this AND not
    >> offering to sell you a WinXP (Home, Pro, Media Center) SP3 CD.
    >>

    >
    > It's very easy to make an installation CD with SP3 using an original
    > installation CD (not a restoration CD) and the downloaded SP3 file (not
    > the ISO), but as an expert you must already know that so I don't have to
    > explain you how.


    He didn't mention anything about if he or anyone doesn't know how to make an
    installation CD, but lack of warning for the original CD couldn't be used.

    Ordinary users (a.k.a. those who don't install software on a 24/7 basis)
    could be panic when he/she found out the original CD can't be used.

    >> Note, AFTER installing SP3, highly suggest you wait a few days BEFORE
    >> running Microsoft Updates. Hope you have Auto Updates set to the
    >> 'notify ONLY' option.
    >>

    >
    > Again why?


    So that one can observe if there are any problems after the installation and
    will not complicate the issues and to make it easier for troubleshooting if
    there were any adverse effects. It's called controlled environment.






    "Doum" <me@domain.net> wrote in message
    news:XnF9DA87AC2B5F05doumdomainnet@207.46.248.16...
    > Tecknomage <tecknode@NOSPAM.com> �crivait
    > news:qdbp26dhsuna19389svdqllivb84d5vq1e@4ax.com:
    >
    >> On Wed, 30 Jun 2010 23:33:17 -0500, Henry <wa0goz@arrl.net> wrote:
    >>
    >>> I'm running WinXP Pro SP2 on a Dell Dimension 3 GHz machine with 2
    >>> Gig of RAM.
    >>>
    >>> I have only heard bad things from people I know who tried to install
    >>> SP3 and on newsgroups. It seems that one of three things will
    >>> happen.
    >>>
    >>> 1. Everything will go well and it will work OK. (Seldom)
    >>>
    >>> 2. It will seem to go well for some period of time and then
    >>> something happens and your computer gets screwed up.
    >>>
    >>> 3. It will not install correctly and your computer gets screwed up.
    >>>
    >>> With the last two, a clean re-install of WinXP is required to get
    >>> back running.
    >>>
    >>> With my luck with updates, one of the last two will occur.
    >>>
    >>> Since support for SP2 is ending shortly, I need advice.
    >>>
    >>> Signed Scared
    >>>
    >>> Henry

    >>
    >>
    >> First, I'm the IT Technician for a division of the company I work for,
    >> and have installed SP3 on all our WinXP Desktop systems except those
    >> used in our labs (we do software engineering) as requested by
    >> engineers.
    >>

    >
    > I'm glad you're not my IT technician.
    >
    >> ONE VERY BIG WARNING:
    >>
    >> *After you install SP3 your original WinXP Setup CD will be useless
    >> for using the 2 Repair options on the CD.*
    >>
    >> You will be unable to boot to your old CD because Windows will insist
    >> you mount WinXP SP3 CD which you do not have.
    >>
    >> You can thank Microdunce for NOT warning you about this AND not
    >> offering to sell you a WinXP (Home, Pro, Media Center) SP3 CD.
    >>

    >
    > It's very easy to make an installation CD with SP3 using an original
    > installation CD (not a restoration CD) and the downloaded SP3 file (not
    > the ISO), but as an expert you must already know that so I don't have to
    > explain you how.
    >
    >>
    >> Having said that...
    >>
    >> I found the best way to install SP3 is NOT via the download install.
    >>

    >
    > Why? It's the same file contained in the ISO.
    >
    >> Use the alternate SP3 Install CD.
    >>
    >> 1) You need to have a CD Burner (writes CDs)
    >>
    >> 2) Download the ISO (bootable image) from.....
    >> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=2fcde6ce-b5fb-
    >> 4488-8c50-fe22559d164e&displaylang=en
    >>
    >> 3) Burn the ISO image to CD and you now have a bootable CD that will
    >> Autorun when mounted in your CD drive and install SP3 like any program
    >>
    >>
    >> BUT as others have said, you need to prep your system BEFORE you
    >> start. They gave you links, but just in case, here's a ref site:
    >> http://social.technet.microsoft.com/forums/en-US/itproxpsp/threads/
    >>
    >> Note, AFTER installing SP3, highly suggest you wait a few days BEFORE
    >> running Microsoft Updates. Hope you have Auto Updates set to the
    >> 'notify ONLY' option.
    >>

    >
    > Again why?
    >
    >> I used this method at work and on my home system with no problems.
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> Side note: We OEM WinXP on our products, and we HAD the "OEM WinXP
    >> Pro SP3" CD. Since the advent of Win7, the SP3 CD is no longer
    >> available. We still OEM WinXP via the Downgrade option (install WinXP
    >> on the Win7 license) for Win7 Pro.
    >>
    >> For a short period you could get the "OEM WinXP Pro SP3" CD open
    >> market (got it for my home system from Amazon way back), so there MAY
    >> be resellers that still have the CD in stock, but good luck in finding
    >> one.

    >
    > Just make one!
    >
    >>
    >>
    >> --
    >>======== Tecknomage ========
    >> Computer Systems Specialist
    >> IT Technician
    >> San Diego, CA
    >>

    >
     
  14. Doum

    Doum Flightless Bird

    "xfile" <coucou@nospam.com> écrivait
    news:i0jg51$1ne$1@speranza.aioe.org:

    > His advise, in my opinion, is solid for regular *non-techie* user.
    >
    >>> You can thank Microdunce for NOT warning you about this AND not
    >>> offering to sell you a WinXP (Home, Pro, Media Center) SP3 CD.
    >>>

    >>
    >> It's very easy to make an installation CD with SP3 using an original
    >> installation CD (not a restoration CD) and the downloaded SP3 file
    >> (not the ISO), but as an expert you must already know that so I don't
    >> have to explain you how.

    >
    > He didn't mention anything about if he or anyone doesn't know how to
    > make an installation CD, but lack of warning for the original CD
    > couldn't be used.
    >
    > Ordinary users (a.k.a. those who don't install software on a 24/7
    > basis) could be panic when he/she found out the original CD can't be
    > used.
    >


    Those corresponding to the profile you describe, probably don't know what
    a repair install is anyway.

    >>> Note, AFTER installing SP3, highly suggest you wait a few days
    >>> BEFORE running Microsoft Updates. Hope you have Auto Updates set to
    >>> the 'notify ONLY' option.
    >>>

    >>
    >> Again why?

    >
    > So that one can observe if there are any problems after the
    > installation and will not complicate the issues and to make it easier
    > for troubleshooting if there were any adverse effects. It's called
    > controlled environment.
    >


    The problems reported here after installing SP3 were computer doesn't
    restart, so you install SP3, reboot twice, try your programs and do the
    upgrades, no need to wait.

    >
    >
    >
    >
    > "Doum" <me@domain.net> wrote in message
    > news:XnF9DA87AC2B5F05doumdomainnet@207.46.248.16...
    >> Tecknomage <tecknode@NOSPAM.com> �crivait
    >> news:qdbp26dhsuna19389svdqllivb84d5vq1e@4ax.com:
    >>
    >>> On Wed, 30 Jun 2010 23:33:17 -0500, Henry <wa0goz@arrl.net> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> I'm running WinXP Pro SP2 on a Dell Dimension 3 GHz machine with 2
    >>>> Gig of RAM.
    >>>>
    >>>> I have only heard bad things from people I know who tried to
    >>>> install SP3 and on newsgroups. It seems that one of three things
    >>>> will happen.
    >>>>
    >>>> 1. Everything will go well and it will work OK. (Seldom)
    >>>>
    >>>> 2. It will seem to go well for some period of time and then
    >>>> something happens and your computer gets screwed up.
    >>>>
    >>>> 3. It will not install correctly and your computer gets screwed
    >>>> up.
    >>>>
    >>>> With the last two, a clean re-install of WinXP is required to get
    >>>> back running.
    >>>>
    >>>> With my luck with updates, one of the last two will occur.
    >>>>
    >>>> Since support for SP2 is ending shortly, I need advice.
    >>>>
    >>>> Signed Scared
    >>>>
    >>>> Henry
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> First, I'm the IT Technician for a division of the company I work
    >>> for, and have installed SP3 on all our WinXP Desktop systems except
    >>> those used in our labs (we do software engineering) as requested by
    >>> engineers.
    >>>

    >>
    >> I'm glad you're not my IT technician.
    >>
    >>> ONE VERY BIG WARNING:
    >>>
    >>> *After you install SP3 your original WinXP Setup CD will be useless
    >>> for using the 2 Repair options on the CD.*
    >>>
    >>> You will be unable to boot to your old CD because Windows will
    >>> insist you mount WinXP SP3 CD which you do not have.
    >>>
    >>> You can thank Microdunce for NOT warning you about this AND not
    >>> offering to sell you a WinXP (Home, Pro, Media Center) SP3 CD.
    >>>

    >>
    >> It's very easy to make an installation CD with SP3 using an original
    >> installation CD (not a restoration CD) and the downloaded SP3 file
    >> (not the ISO), but as an expert you must already know that so I don't
    >> have to explain you how.
    >>
    >>>
    >>> Having said that...
    >>>
    >>> I found the best way to install SP3 is NOT via the download install.
    >>>

    >>
    >> Why? It's the same file contained in the ISO.
    >>
    >>> Use the alternate SP3 Install CD.
    >>>
    >>> 1) You need to have a CD Burner (writes CDs)
    >>>
    >>> 2) Download the ISO (bootable image) from.....
    >>> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=2fcde6ce-b5f
    >>> b- 4488-8c50-fe22559d164e&displaylang=en
    >>>
    >>> 3) Burn the ISO image to CD and you now have a bootable CD that
    >>> will Autorun when mounted in your CD drive and install SP3 like any
    >>> program
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> BUT as others have said, you need to prep your system BEFORE you
    >>> start. They gave you links, but just in case, here's a ref site:
    >>> http://social.technet.microsoft.com/forums/en-US/itproxpsp/threads/
    >>>
    >>> Note, AFTER installing SP3, highly suggest you wait a few days
    >>> BEFORE running Microsoft Updates. Hope you have Auto Updates set to
    >>> the 'notify ONLY' option.
    >>>

    >>
    >> Again why?
    >>
    >>> I used this method at work and on my home system with no problems.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> Side note: We OEM WinXP on our products, and we HAD the "OEM WinXP
    >>> Pro SP3" CD. Since the advent of Win7, the SP3 CD is no longer
    >>> available. We still OEM WinXP via the Downgrade option (install
    >>> WinXP on the Win7 license) for Win7 Pro.
    >>>
    >>> For a short period you could get the "OEM WinXP Pro SP3" CD open
    >>> market (got it for my home system from Amazon way back), so there
    >>> MAY be resellers that still have the CD in stock, but good luck in
    >>> finding one.

    >>
    >> Just make one!
    >>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> --
    >>>======== Tecknomage ========
    >>> Computer Systems Specialist
    >>> IT Technician
    >>> San Diego, CA
    >>>

    >>
     
  15. Bruce Chambers

    Bruce Chambers Flightless Bird

    Henry wrote:
    > I'm running WinXP Pro SP2 on a Dell Dimension 3 GHz machine with 2 Gig
    > of RAM.
    >
    > I have only heard bad things from people I know who tried to install SP3
    > and on newsgroups. It seems that one of three things will happen.
    >
    > 1. Everything will go well and it will work OK. (Seldom)
    >


    Actually, this is what occurs roughly 98% of the time on the hundreds
    of WinXP SP3 machines I used to support. (We've long since migrated to
    Vista on the Enterprise.)

    > 2. It will seem to go well for some period of time and then something
    > happens and your computer gets screwed up.
    >


    Actually, this occurred about 1% of the time, if incompatible/corrupt
    drivers are present at the time of the upgrade.

    > 3. It will not install correctly and your computer gets screwed up.
    >



    Actually, this occurred about 1% of the time, if incompatible/corrupt
    drivers are present at the time of the upgrade.


    > With the last two, a clean re-install of WinXP is required to get back
    > running.
    >
    > With my luck with updates, one of the last two will occur.
    >
    > Since support for SP2 is ending shortly, I need advice.
    >


    My advice: stop listening to rumors and install SP3. As for problems
    mentioned in newsgroups, what else are newsgroups for? No one going to
    post just to say that all went well.


    --

    Bruce Chambers

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  16. Bruce Chambers

    Bruce Chambers Flightless Bird

    Tecknomage wrote:
    >
    >
    > ONE VERY BIG WARNING:
    >
    > *After you install SP3 your original WinXP Setup CD will be useless
    > for using the 2 Repair options on the CD.*
    >
    > You will be unable to boot to your old CD because Windows will insist
    > you mount WinXP SP3 CD which you do not have.
    >
    > You can thank Microdunce for NOT warning you about this AND not
    > offering to sell you a WinXP (Home, Pro, Media Center) SP3 CD.
    >
    >



    Or look in the mirror and blame yourself for not having slip-streamed
    SP3 into and installation CD, something any competent technician would
    have done before starting.



    --

    Bruce Chambers

    Help us help you:
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    safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin

    Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell

    The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has
    killed a great many philosophers.
    ~ Denis Diderot
     
  17. Twayne

    Twayne Flightless Bird

    In news:-Oe5S5MhGLHA.5448@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl,
    Bruce Chambers <bchambers@cable0ne.n3t> typed:
    > Tecknomage wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >> ONE VERY BIG WARNING:
    >>
    >> *After you install SP3 your original WinXP Setup CD will
    >> be useless for using the 2 Repair options on the CD.*
    >>
    >> You will be unable to boot to your old CD because Windows
    >> will insist you mount WinXP SP3 CD which you do not have.
    >>
    >> You can thank Microdunce for NOT warning you about this
    >> AND not offering to sell you a WinXP (Home, Pro, Media
    >> Center) SP3 CD.

    >
    >
    > Or look in the mirror and blame yourself for not having
    > slip-streamed SP3 into and installation CD, something any
    > competent technician would have done before starting.


    It makes a lot more sense IMO to make a faithful backup of the machine's OS
    than to futz around making slip streams that can take hours to get working
    upon testing them, IFF they get tested before a catastrophe happens, that
    is.
     

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