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Discussion in 'Windows XP' started by AAH, Aug 17, 2010.

  1. AAH

    AAH Flightless Bird

    I want to upgrade my present computer
    as it is quite slow. Running Win Me at the
    moment. There is no problem with my os.

    I want setup Win XP first and after that
    move on to Win 7.

    I want a new mother board with the capacity
    connection of
    2 Hard Disk Drive
    1 Cd Rom Writer Drive
    1 DVD Player Drive
    1 Floppy A: Drive
    The money available is £70/£100.

    Any advice on a branded motherboard
    would be appreciated?
     
  2. PA Bear [MS MVP]

    PA Bear [MS MVP] Flightless Bird

    [Talk about silk purses & sows' ears...]

    AAH wrote:
    > I want to upgrade my present computer
    > as it is quite slow. Running Win Me at the
    > moment. There is no problem with my os.
    >
    > I want setup Win XP first and after that
    > move on to Win 7.
    >
    > I want a new mother board with the capacity
    > connection of
    > 2 Hard Disk Drive
    > 1 Cd Rom Writer Drive
    > 1 DVD Player Drive
    > 1 Floppy A: Drive
    > The money available is £70/£100.
    >
    > Any advice on a branded motherboard
    > would be appreciated?
     
  3. Paul

    Paul Flightless Bird

    AAH wrote:
    > I want to upgrade my present computer
    > as it is quite slow. Running Win Me at the
    > moment. There is no problem with my os.
    >
    > I want setup Win XP first and after that
    > move on to Win 7.
    >
    > I want a new mother board with the capacity
    > connection of
    > 2 Hard Disk Drive
    > 1 Cd Rom Writer Drive
    > 1 DVD Player Drive
    > 1 Floppy A: Drive
    > The money available is £70/£100.
    >
    > Any advice on a branded motherboard
    > would be appreciated?
    >


    There is a separate group for hardware, so you're likely
    to get some complaints :)

    First of all, you're asking about a motherboard, and
    we don't know what brand or kind of processor you're using.
    That makes a big difference. There are hundreds of motherboards
    for each kind of processor.

    If you are buying brand new hard drives, CDRW, DVDROM or
    the like, all of those are available with SATA connectors
    on them. SATA is the latest standard. Motherboards with four
    or six of those SATA connectors are common.

    http://www.thg.ru/howto/20051125/images/sata.jpg

    If you're reusing IDE drives, new motherboards tend
    to have only one connector. That supports two drives of
    some sort. It is less common to find two connectors and
    support for four drives, using the older method.

    http://www.dslreports.com/r0/download/1283512~1e9a278a8ae8a3120e36b645d718fbd7/80w_40p_cable.png

    This is my previous motherboard, and you can still buy these.
    It has two ribbon cable connectors, supporting four IDE
    devices. (The connector labeled "ATA133".) It also has
    two SATA connectors. The processor socket is "LGA775"
    for older Intel processors. I used an E4700 processor in
    it. An E7500 or E7600 might be a current choice of processor
    for it.

    http://www.asrock.com/mb/photo/4CoreDual-SATA2 R2.0(m).jpg

    (This is the processor I was using in it. The motherboard is limited
    to FSB1066, so you cannot use just any LGA775 processor.)

    http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=34441&processor=E4700&spec-codes=SLALT

    That motherboard is nice, because it has PCI Express, AGP, and
    PCI slots. It has DDR and DDR2 DRAM slots. It has legacy
    connectors in the I/O area. It's "old school" so to speak.

    I doubt I could still find a motherboard for an AMD processor,
    that is as well equipped as that one is.

    If you're buying all new hardware, then you have many more
    choices, since you would not be trying to reuse the old
    hardware.

    If you have an ancient processor you're trying to reuse, then
    the choices of motherboards for it will be strictly limited.
    In some cases, it might be better to just buy a new AMD processor
    and connect that to your new motherboard. For example,
    this processor is only $33, and it is a dual core.
    Pretty amazing.

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819104021

    HTH,
    Paul
     
  4. AAH

    AAH Flightless Bird

    Paul
    Thank you for your detailed information.

    I have quite a lot of stuff saved on Cds
    and portable hard disks IDE format Fat32.

    I understand that under the SATA fromat
    that will be useless?

    Can you comments on that part or suggest
    to convert or something like that?



    "Paul" <nospam@needed.com> wrote in message
    news:i4fuf3$t7$1@speranza.aioe.org...
    AAH wrote:
    > I want to upgrade my present computer
    > as it is quite slow. Running Win Me at the
    > moment. There is no problem with my os.
    >
    > I want setup Win XP first and after that
    > move on to Win 7.
    >
    > I want a new mother board with the capacity
    > connection of
    > 2 Hard Disk Drive
    > 1 Cd Rom Writer Drive
    > 1 DVD Player Drive
    > 1 Floppy A: Drive
    > The money available is £70/£100.
    >
    > Any advice on a branded motherboard
    > would be appreciated?
    >


    There is a separate group for hardware, so you're likely
    to get some complaints :)

    First of all, you're asking about a motherboard, and
    we don't know what brand or kind of processor you're using.
    That makes a big difference. There are hundreds of motherboards
    for each kind of processor.

    If you are buying brand new hard drives, CDRW, DVDROM or
    the like, all of those are available with SATA connectors
    on them. SATA is the latest standard. Motherboards with four
    or six of those SATA connectors are common.

    http://www.thg.ru/howto/20051125/images/sata.jpg

    If you're reusing IDE drives, new motherboards tend
    to have only one connector. That supports two drives of
    some sort. It is less common to find two connectors and
    support for four drives, using the older method.

    http://www.dslreports.com/r0/download/1283512~1e9a278a8ae8a3120e36b645d718fbd7/80w_40p_cable.png

    This is my previous motherboard, and you can still buy these.
    It has two ribbon cable connectors, supporting four IDE
    devices. (The connector labeled "ATA133".) It also has
    two SATA connectors. The processor socket is "LGA775"
    for older Intel processors. I used an E4700 processor in
    it. An E7500 or E7600 might be a current choice of processor
    for it.

    http://www.asrock.com/mb/photo/4CoreDual-SATA2 R2.0(m).jpg

    (This is the processor I was using in it. The motherboard is limited
    to FSB1066, so you cannot use just any LGA775 processor.)

    http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=34441&processor=E4700&spec-codes=SLALT

    That motherboard is nice, because it has PCI Express, AGP, and
    PCI slots. It has DDR and DDR2 DRAM slots. It has legacy
    connectors in the I/O area. It's "old school" so to speak.

    I doubt I could still find a motherboard for an AMD processor,
    that is as well equipped as that one is.

    If you're buying all new hardware, then you have many more
    choices, since you would not be trying to reuse the old
    hardware.

    If you have an ancient processor you're trying to reuse, then
    the choices of motherboards for it will be strictly limited.
    In some cases, it might be better to just buy a new AMD processor
    and connect that to your new motherboard. For example,
    this processor is only $33, and it is a dual core.
    Pretty amazing.

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819104021

    HTH,
    Paul
     
  5. Pegasus [MVP]

    Pegasus [MVP] Flightless Bird

    SATA is not a format, it is a hardware interface.

    Whether your CD drives have an IDE, SATA or USB interface is irrelevant.
    They all use the same data storage formats. The drives will be able to read
    all your CDs or DVDs, provided that they are in good condition.

    "AAH" <aah@chakcomnet.net> wrote in message
    news:-OxIbmMrPLHA.2104@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
    > Paul
    > Thank you for your detailed information.
    >
    > I have quite a lot of stuff saved on Cds
    > and portable hard disks IDE format Fat32.
    >
    > I understand that under the SATA fromat
    > that will be useless?
    >
    > Can you comments on that part or suggest
    > to convert or something like that?


    SATA is not a format, it is a hardware interface.

    Your question about data conversion is equivalent to asking "Do I need to
    learn a different language when I switch from my traditional phone to a
    mobile phone?". Of course not. Whether your CD drives have an IDE, SATA or
    USB interface is irrelevant. They all use the same data storage formats. The
    drives will be able to read all your CDs or DVDs, provided that they are in
    good condition.
     
  6. choro

    choro Flightless Bird

    AAH wrote:
    > I want to upgrade my present computer
    > as it is quite slow. Running Win Me at the
    > moment. There is no problem with my os.
    >
    > I want setup Win XP first and after that
    > move on to Win 7.
    >
    > I want a new mother board with the capacity
    > connection of
    > 2 Hard Disk Drive
    > 1 Cd Rom Writer Drive
    > 1 DVD Player Drive
    > 1 Floppy A: Drive
    > The money available is £70/£100.


    £70 all in did you say?

    Try your local charity shop... ;-)

    >
    > Any advice on a branded motherboard
    > would be appreciated?
     
  7. John John - MVP

    John John - MVP Flightless Bird

    AAH wrote:
    > I want to upgrade my present computer
    > as it is quite slow. Running Win Me at the
    > moment. There is no problem with my os.
    >
    > I want setup Win XP first and after that
    > move on to Win 7.
    >
    > I want a new mother board with the capacity
    > connection of
    > 2 Hard Disk Drive
    > 1 Cd Rom Writer Drive
    > 1 DVD Player Drive
    > 1 Floppy A: Drive
    > The money available is £70/£100.
    >
    > Any advice on a branded motherboard
    > would be appreciated?


    Windows 7? You should opt for a multi-core processor and at least 2GB
    of RAM. Knowing that for some reason or other everything seems to be
    way more expensive in the UK than in most other western countries your
    budget seems kind of low to me. Shop for a "motherboard combo" at the
    online stores that do business in the UK and see what you can get for
    your budget. There are a lot of cheap boards out there but if you ask
    me you can't go wrong with an Intel processor on an Intel board.

    John
     
  8. AAH

    AAH Flightless Bird

    Choro

    I have no good knowledge of these things
    My information was based some one's
    rough estimate. It would appear that person
    is no better than me. I am interested in a
    intel over 2.xx processor. No AMD at all.
    I am quite ok to spend £250/£300.
    Can you suggest some name/model?
    Thanks.






    "choro" <choro@tvco.net> wrote in message
    news:LxQao.39355$GF5.4738@hurricane...
    AAH wrote:
    > I want to upgrade my present computer
    > as it is quite slow. Running Win Me at the
    > moment. There is no problem with my os.
    >
    > I want setup Win XP first and after that
    > move on to Win 7.
    >
    > I want a new mother board with the capacity
    > connection of
    > 2 Hard Disk Drive
    > 1 Cd Rom Writer Drive
    > 1 DVD Player Drive
    > 1 Floppy A: Drive
    > The money available is £70/£100.


    £70 all in did you say?

    Try your local charity shop... ;-)

    >
    > Any advice on a branded motherboard
    > would be appreciated?
     
  9. dadiOH

    dadiOH Flightless Bird

    choro wrote:
    > AAH wrote:
    >> I want to upgrade my present computer
    >> as it is quite slow. Running Win Me at the
    >> moment. There is no problem with my os.
    >>
    >> I want setup Win XP first and after that
    >> move on to Win 7.
    >>
    >> I want a new mother board with the capacity
    >> connection of
    >> 2 Hard Disk Drive
    >> 1 Cd Rom Writer Drive
    >> 1 DVD Player Drive
    >> 1 Floppy A: Drive
    >> The money available is £70/£100.

    >
    > £70 all in did you say?
    >
    > Try your local charity shop... ;-)


    He can easily get a good mobo for that amount of money.

    OP: decide on your processor then browse Newegg.com for compatible mobos,
    they show you all the details...number of drive channels, number and type of
    card slots, etc. The only potential problem with what you need is the
    floppy, many mobos no longer have a connection for them; OTOH, there are
    many that do.


    --

    dadiOH
    ____________________________

    dadiOH's dandies v3.06...
    ....a help file of info about MP3s, recording from
    LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
    Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico
     
  10. Peter Taylor

    Peter Taylor Flightless Bird

    On 08/18/2010 03:52 PM, AAH wrote:
    > Choro
    >
    > I have no good knowledge of these things
    > My information was based some one's
    > rough estimate. It would appear that person
    > is no better than me. I am interested in a
    > intel over 2.xx processor. No AMD at all.
    > I am quite ok to spend £250/£300.
    > Can you suggest some name/model?
    > Thanks.
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > "choro"<choro@tvco.net> wrote in message
    > news:LxQao.39355$GF5.4738@hurricane...
    > AAH wrote:
    >> I want to upgrade my present computer
    >> as it is quite slow. Running Win Me at the
    >> moment. There is no problem with my os.
    >>
    >> I want setup Win XP first and after that
    >> move on to Win 7.
    >>
    >> I want a new mother board with the capacity
    >> connection of
    >> 2 Hard Disk Drive
    >> 1 Cd Rom Writer Drive
    >> 1 DVD Player Drive
    >> 1 Floppy A: Drive
    >> The money available is £70/£100.

    >
    > £70 all in did you say?
    >
    > Try your local charity shop... ;-)
    >
    >>
    >> Any advice on a branded motherboard
    >> would be appreciated?

    >
    >
    >


    I use an ASUS 775 board with an Intel E5200 and, except for the video
    card, the whole thing cost me under 350 EUR. I ordered it with 4 gigs of
    800 RAM, the case, case fan, floppy, one IDE DVD recorder optical drive,
    480 watts power supply and a 500 GB SATA hard drive.

    --
    Peter Taylor
     
  11. Paul

    Paul Flightless Bird

    AAH wrote:
    > Paul
    > Thank you for your detailed information.
    >
    > I have quite a lot of stuff saved on Cds
    > and portable hard disks IDE format Fat32.
    >
    > I understand that under the SATA fromat
    > that will be useless?
    >
    > Can you comments on that part or suggest
    > to convert or something like that?
    >


    SATA is the connector on the back of the hard drive
    or the optical drive. Previously, the drives used
    an IDE cable (ribbon cable). The cabling on the
    drive is different now.

    That is why, before buying a motherboard, it is
    important to understand what kind of drives you'll
    be connecting. Old drives, or new drives. Current
    motherboards generally support two old drives, and
    four or six new drives with SATA interface.

    This photo shows hooking up an old drive in the top section,
    and hooking up a new drive in the bottom section. The
    motherboard must have a matching connector type, on the
    motherboard surface, in order to plug in the cabling.
    For example, the motherboard SATA connector, is where the
    red colored data cable plugs in.

    http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y38/muaz/sata-ide_lg.jpg

    Paul
     
  12. Paul

    Paul Flightless Bird

    AAH wrote:
    > Choro
    >
    > I have no good knowledge of these things
    > My information was based some one's
    > rough estimate. It would appear that person
    > is no better than me. I am interested in a
    > intel over 2.xx processor. No AMD at all.
    > I am quite ok to spend £250/£300.
    > Can you suggest some name/model?
    > Thanks.
    >


    You can sort the motherboards by price, and see what £70
    can buy.

    http://www.microdirect.co.uk/Home/S...answers_per_page=50&first_answer=51&Next=true

    This is an LGA1156 motherboard (more recent technology
    than the LGA775 motherboard I suggested in the other
    posting). This may cost a bit more than the Asrock
    4CoreDual-SATA2 R2.0 (LGA775) would have.

    http://www.microdirect.co.uk/Home/Product/46659/Asus-Motherboard-P7H55-M-Intel-LGA1156-DDR3

    It has six SATA connectors, to support up to six drives
    with SATA cabling. It has only one "Parallel ATA" connector,
    which is where the old ribbon cable connection would go.
    You could move two drive devices from your old computer
    and connect them to that connector.

    You can see the connectors on the back, here. PS/2 keyboard, and
    your mouse would have to be USB.

    http://images17.newegg.com/is/image/newegg/13-131-638-Z01?$S640W$

    It has HDMI and VGA for video. You might need an HDMI to DVI adapter,
    if connecting a DVI monitor. There is a LAN connector and three ports
    for audio (5.1).

    http://images17.newegg.com/is/image/newegg/13-131-638-Z02?$S640W$

    Hmmm. I don't see a floppy connector.

    http://images17.newegg.com/is/image/newegg/13-131-638-Z03?$S640W$

    The supported CPUs for that motherboard, are listed here.

    http://support.asus.com.tw/cpusupport/cpusupport.aspx?SLanguage=en-us&model=P7H55-M

    *******

    The GIGABYTE GA-H55M-S2H (£62.50) is similar, except it has a floppy connector.
    The price you pay for that, is there are only two DIMM slots for
    memory on this motherboard. Otherwise, this motherboard would also
    do the job.

    http://www.microdirect.co.uk/Home/Product/43977/Gigabyte-motherboard-GA-H55M-S2H-Intel-H55-Core

    The GA-H55M-S2H manual is here.

    http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3523#dl

    There are two ways to get working video. You can buy a separate
    video card, and put it in the PCI Express x16 slot. Or, you can
    use the "motherboard graphics".

    The motherboard graphics only work on that one, if you buy an
    Intel processor with the graphics inside the processor. There are
    some Core i5 LGA1156 processors that have it (like Core i5-650).

    http://ark.intel.com/ProductCollection.aspx?familyId=42912

    or the Core i3-540.

    http://ark.intel.com/ProductCollection.aspx?familyId=43129

    The CPU Support on the GA-H55M-S2H is here.

    http://www.gigabyte.com/support-downloads/cpu-support-popup.aspx?pid=3523

    There is a price list for the LGA1156 processors here.

    http://www.microdirect.co.uk/Home/S...lue_string|Processor+Socket=LGA1156+(Socket+H)

    An i3-540 is £98.66 .

    http://www.microdirect.co.uk/Home/Product/44000/Intel-CPU-Core-i3-540-3-06GHz-Clarkdale-Core

    The memory selection on that site isn't very good. You'd buy two
    of these, for a total of 2GB. 2 x £33.12 . I would expect to be
    paying less than that. CAS7 or CAS9 shouldn't make any difference.
    I selected DDR3-1333 to do the job.

    http://www.microdirect.co.uk/Home/Product/46022/Kingston-memory-1GB-1333MHz-DDR3-Non-ECC-CL7

    So far, for the basics, the total is 62.50+98.66+66.24 = £227.40

    You can select other components, to adjust the price accordingly.

    > "choro" <choro@tvco.net> wrote in message
    > news:LxQao.39355$GF5.4738@hurricane...
    > AAH wrote:
    >> I want to upgrade my present computer
    >> as it is quite slow. Running Win Me at the
    >> moment. There is no problem with my os.
    >>
    >> I want setup Win XP first and after that
    >> move on to Win 7.
    >>
    >> I want a new mother board with the capacity
    >> connection of
    >> 2 Hard Disk Drive
    >> 1 Cd Rom Writer Drive
    >> 1 DVD Player Drive
    >> 1 Floppy A: Drive
    >> The money available is £70/£100.

    >
    > £70 all in did you say?
    >
    > Try your local charity shop... ;-)
    >
    >> Any advice on a branded motherboard
    >> would be appreciated?

    >
     
  13. AAH

    AAH Flightless Bird

    Paul
    Thank you very much for details
    various motherboards.
    May God Bless You with Good
    Health and Happiness.

    "Paul" <nospam@needed.com> wrote in message
    news:i4h8hq$300$1@speranza.aioe.org...
    AAH wrote:
    > Choro
    >
    > I have no good knowledge of these things
    > My information was based some one's
    > rough estimate. It would appear that person
    > is no better than me. I am interested in a
    > intel over 2.xx processor. No AMD at all.
    > I am quite ok to spend £250/£300.
    > Can you suggest some name/model?
    > Thanks.
    >


    You can sort the motherboards by price, and see what £70
    can buy.

    http://www.microdirect.co.uk/Home/S...answers_per_page=50&first_answer=51&Next=true

    This is an LGA1156 motherboard (more recent technology
    than the LGA775 motherboard I suggested in the other
    posting). This may cost a bit more than the Asrock
    4CoreDual-SATA2 R2.0 (LGA775) would have.

    http://www.microdirect.co.uk/Home/Product/46659/Asus-Motherboard-P7H55-M-Intel-LGA1156-DDR3

    It has six SATA connectors, to support up to six drives
    with SATA cabling. It has only one "Parallel ATA" connector,
    which is where the old ribbon cable connection would go.
    You could move two drive devices from your old computer
    and connect them to that connector.

    You can see the connectors on the back, here. PS/2 keyboard, and
    your mouse would have to be USB.

    http://images17.newegg.com/is/image/newegg/13-131-638-Z01?$S640W$

    It has HDMI and VGA for video. You might need an HDMI to DVI adapter,
    if connecting a DVI monitor. There is a LAN connector and three ports
    for audio (5.1).

    http://images17.newegg.com/is/image/newegg/13-131-638-Z02?$S640W$

    Hmmm. I don't see a floppy connector.

    http://images17.newegg.com/is/image/newegg/13-131-638-Z03?$S640W$

    The supported CPUs for that motherboard, are listed here.

    http://support.asus.com.tw/cpusupport/cpusupport.aspx?SLanguage=en-us&model=P7H55-M

    *******

    The GIGABYTE GA-H55M-S2H (£62.50) is similar, except it has a floppy
    connector.
    The price you pay for that, is there are only two DIMM slots for
    memory on this motherboard. Otherwise, this motherboard would also
    do the job.

    http://www.microdirect.co.uk/Home/Product/43977/Gigabyte-motherboard-GA-H55M-S2H-Intel-H55-Core

    The GA-H55M-S2H manual is here.

    http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3523#dl

    There are two ways to get working video. You can buy a separate
    video card, and put it in the PCI Express x16 slot. Or, you can
    use the "motherboard graphics".

    The motherboard graphics only work on that one, if you buy an
    Intel processor with the graphics inside the processor. There are
    some Core i5 LGA1156 processors that have it (like Core i5-650).

    http://ark.intel.com/ProductCollection.aspx?familyId=42912

    or the Core i3-540.

    http://ark.intel.com/ProductCollection.aspx?familyId=43129

    The CPU Support on the GA-H55M-S2H is here.

    http://www.gigabyte.com/support-downloads/cpu-support-popup.aspx?pid=3523

    There is a price list for the LGA1156 processors here.

    http://www.microdirect.co.uk/Home/S...lue_string|Processor+Socket=LGA1156+(Socket+H)

    An i3-540 is £98.66 .

    http://www.microdirect.co.uk/Home/Product/44000/Intel-CPU-Core-i3-540-3-06GHz-Clarkdale-Core

    The memory selection on that site isn't very good. You'd buy two
    of these, for a total of 2GB. 2 x £33.12 . I would expect to be
    paying less than that. CAS7 or CAS9 shouldn't make any difference.
    I selected DDR3-1333 to do the job.

    http://www.microdirect.co.uk/Home/Product/46022/Kingston-memory-1GB-1333MHz-DDR3-Non-ECC-CL7

    So far, for the basics, the total is 62.50+98.66+66.24 = £227.40

    You can select other components, to adjust the price accordingly.

    > "choro" <choro@tvco.net> wrote in message
    > news:LxQao.39355$GF5.4738@hurricane...
    > AAH wrote:
    >> I want to upgrade my present computer
    >> as it is quite slow. Running Win Me at the
    >> moment. There is no problem with my os.
    >>
    >> I want setup Win XP first and after that
    >> move on to Win 7.
    >>
    >> I want a new mother board with the capacity
    >> connection of
    >> 2 Hard Disk Drive
    >> 1 Cd Rom Writer Drive
    >> 1 DVD Player Drive
    >> 1 Floppy A: Drive
    >> The money available is £70/£100.

    >
    > £70 all in did you say?
    >
    > Try your local charity shop... ;-)
    >
    >> Any advice on a branded motherboard
    >> would be appreciated?

    >
     

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