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A

AAH

Flightless Bird
I want to upgrade my present computer
as it is quite slow. Running Win Me at the
moment. There is no problem with my os.

I want setup Win XP first and after that
move on to Win 7.

I want a new mother board with the capacity
connection of
2 Hard Disk Drive
1 Cd Rom Writer Drive
1 DVD Player Drive
1 Floppy A: Drive
The money available is £70/£100.

Any advice on a branded motherboard
would be appreciated?
 
P

PA Bear [MS MVP]

Flightless Bird
[Talk about silk purses & sows' ears...]

AAH wrote:
> I want to upgrade my present computer
> as it is quite slow. Running Win Me at the
> moment. There is no problem with my os.
>
> I want setup Win XP first and after that
> move on to Win 7.
>
> I want a new mother board with the capacity
> connection of
> 2 Hard Disk Drive
> 1 Cd Rom Writer Drive
> 1 DVD Player Drive
> 1 Floppy A: Drive
> The money available is £70/£100.
>
> Any advice on a branded motherboard
> would be appreciated?
 
P

Paul

Flightless Bird
AAH wrote:
> I want to upgrade my present computer
> as it is quite slow. Running Win Me at the
> moment. There is no problem with my os.
>
> I want setup Win XP first and after that
> move on to Win 7.
>
> I want a new mother board with the capacity
> connection of
> 2 Hard Disk Drive
> 1 Cd Rom Writer Drive
> 1 DVD Player Drive
> 1 Floppy A: Drive
> The money available is £70/£100.
>
> Any advice on a branded motherboard
> would be appreciated?
>

There is a separate group for hardware, so you're likely
to get some complaints :)

First of all, you're asking about a motherboard, and
we don't know what brand or kind of processor you're using.
That makes a big difference. There are hundreds of motherboards
for each kind of processor.

If you are buying brand new hard drives, CDRW, DVDROM or
the like, all of those are available with SATA connectors
on them. SATA is the latest standard. Motherboards with four
or six of those SATA connectors are common.

http://www.thg.ru/howto/20051125/images/sata.jpg

If you're reusing IDE drives, new motherboards tend
to have only one connector. That supports two drives of
some sort. It is less common to find two connectors and
support for four drives, using the older method.

http://www.dslreports.com/r0/download/1283512~1e9a278a8ae8a3120e36b645d718fbd7/80w_40p_cable.png

This is my previous motherboard, and you can still buy these.
It has two ribbon cable connectors, supporting four IDE
devices. (The connector labeled "ATA133".) It also has
two SATA connectors. The processor socket is "LGA775"
for older Intel processors. I used an E4700 processor in
it. An E7500 or E7600 might be a current choice of processor
for it.

http://www.asrock.com/mb/photo/4CoreDual-SATA2 R2.0(m).jpg

(This is the processor I was using in it. The motherboard is limited
to FSB1066, so you cannot use just any LGA775 processor.)

http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=34441&processor=E4700&spec-codes=SLALT

That motherboard is nice, because it has PCI Express, AGP, and
PCI slots. It has DDR and DDR2 DRAM slots. It has legacy
connectors in the I/O area. It's "old school" so to speak.

I doubt I could still find a motherboard for an AMD processor,
that is as well equipped as that one is.

If you're buying all new hardware, then you have many more
choices, since you would not be trying to reuse the old
hardware.

If you have an ancient processor you're trying to reuse, then
the choices of motherboards for it will be strictly limited.
In some cases, it might be better to just buy a new AMD processor
and connect that to your new motherboard. For example,
this processor is only $33, and it is a dual core.
Pretty amazing.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819104021

HTH,
Paul
 
A

AAH

Flightless Bird
Paul
Thank you for your detailed information.

I have quite a lot of stuff saved on Cds
and portable hard disks IDE format Fat32.

I understand that under the SATA fromat
that will be useless?

Can you comments on that part or suggest
to convert or something like that?



"Paul" <nospam@needed.com> wrote in message
news:i4fuf3$t7$1@speranza.aioe.org...
AAH wrote:
> I want to upgrade my present computer
> as it is quite slow. Running Win Me at the
> moment. There is no problem with my os.
>
> I want setup Win XP first and after that
> move on to Win 7.
>
> I want a new mother board with the capacity
> connection of
> 2 Hard Disk Drive
> 1 Cd Rom Writer Drive
> 1 DVD Player Drive
> 1 Floppy A: Drive
> The money available is £70/£100.
>
> Any advice on a branded motherboard
> would be appreciated?
>

There is a separate group for hardware, so you're likely
to get some complaints :)

First of all, you're asking about a motherboard, and
we don't know what brand or kind of processor you're using.
That makes a big difference. There are hundreds of motherboards
for each kind of processor.

If you are buying brand new hard drives, CDRW, DVDROM or
the like, all of those are available with SATA connectors
on them. SATA is the latest standard. Motherboards with four
or six of those SATA connectors are common.

http://www.thg.ru/howto/20051125/images/sata.jpg

If you're reusing IDE drives, new motherboards tend
to have only one connector. That supports two drives of
some sort. It is less common to find two connectors and
support for four drives, using the older method.

http://www.dslreports.com/r0/download/1283512~1e9a278a8ae8a3120e36b645d718fbd7/80w_40p_cable.png

This is my previous motherboard, and you can still buy these.
It has two ribbon cable connectors, supporting four IDE
devices. (The connector labeled "ATA133".) It also has
two SATA connectors. The processor socket is "LGA775"
for older Intel processors. I used an E4700 processor in
it. An E7500 or E7600 might be a current choice of processor
for it.

http://www.asrock.com/mb/photo/4CoreDual-SATA2 R2.0(m).jpg

(This is the processor I was using in it. The motherboard is limited
to FSB1066, so you cannot use just any LGA775 processor.)

http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=34441&processor=E4700&spec-codes=SLALT

That motherboard is nice, because it has PCI Express, AGP, and
PCI slots. It has DDR and DDR2 DRAM slots. It has legacy
connectors in the I/O area. It's "old school" so to speak.

I doubt I could still find a motherboard for an AMD processor,
that is as well equipped as that one is.

If you're buying all new hardware, then you have many more
choices, since you would not be trying to reuse the old
hardware.

If you have an ancient processor you're trying to reuse, then
the choices of motherboards for it will be strictly limited.
In some cases, it might be better to just buy a new AMD processor
and connect that to your new motherboard. For example,
this processor is only $33, and it is a dual core.
Pretty amazing.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819104021

HTH,
Paul
 
P

Pegasus [MVP]

Flightless Bird
SATA is not a format, it is a hardware interface.

Whether your CD drives have an IDE, SATA or USB interface is irrelevant.
They all use the same data storage formats. The drives will be able to read
all your CDs or DVDs, provided that they are in good condition.

"AAH" <aah@chakcomnet.net> wrote in message
news:-OxIbmMrPLHA.2104@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Paul
> Thank you for your detailed information.
>
> I have quite a lot of stuff saved on Cds
> and portable hard disks IDE format Fat32.
>
> I understand that under the SATA fromat
> that will be useless?
>
> Can you comments on that part or suggest
> to convert or something like that?

SATA is not a format, it is a hardware interface.

Your question about data conversion is equivalent to asking "Do I need to
learn a different language when I switch from my traditional phone to a
mobile phone?". Of course not. Whether your CD drives have an IDE, SATA or
USB interface is irrelevant. They all use the same data storage formats. The
drives will be able to read all your CDs or DVDs, provided that they are in
good condition.
 
C

choro

Flightless Bird
AAH wrote:
> I want to upgrade my present computer
> as it is quite slow. Running Win Me at the
> moment. There is no problem with my os.
>
> I want setup Win XP first and after that
> move on to Win 7.
>
> I want a new mother board with the capacity
> connection of
> 2 Hard Disk Drive
> 1 Cd Rom Writer Drive
> 1 DVD Player Drive
> 1 Floppy A: Drive
> The money available is £70/£100.

£70 all in did you say?

Try your local charity shop... ;-)

>
> Any advice on a branded motherboard
> would be appreciated?
 
J

John John - MVP

Flightless Bird
AAH wrote:
> I want to upgrade my present computer
> as it is quite slow. Running Win Me at the
> moment. There is no problem with my os.
>
> I want setup Win XP first and after that
> move on to Win 7.
>
> I want a new mother board with the capacity
> connection of
> 2 Hard Disk Drive
> 1 Cd Rom Writer Drive
> 1 DVD Player Drive
> 1 Floppy A: Drive
> The money available is £70/£100.
>
> Any advice on a branded motherboard
> would be appreciated?

Windows 7? You should opt for a multi-core processor and at least 2GB
of RAM. Knowing that for some reason or other everything seems to be
way more expensive in the UK than in most other western countries your
budget seems kind of low to me. Shop for a "motherboard combo" at the
online stores that do business in the UK and see what you can get for
your budget. There are a lot of cheap boards out there but if you ask
me you can't go wrong with an Intel processor on an Intel board.

John
 
A

AAH

Flightless Bird
Choro

I have no good knowledge of these things
My information was based some one's
rough estimate. It would appear that person
is no better than me. I am interested in a
intel over 2.xx processor. No AMD at all.
I am quite ok to spend £250/£300.
Can you suggest some name/model?
Thanks.






"choro" <choro@tvco.net> wrote in message
news:LxQao.39355$GF5.4738@hurricane...
AAH wrote:
> I want to upgrade my present computer
> as it is quite slow. Running Win Me at the
> moment. There is no problem with my os.
>
> I want setup Win XP first and after that
> move on to Win 7.
>
> I want a new mother board with the capacity
> connection of
> 2 Hard Disk Drive
> 1 Cd Rom Writer Drive
> 1 DVD Player Drive
> 1 Floppy A: Drive
> The money available is £70/£100.

£70 all in did you say?

Try your local charity shop... ;-)

>
> Any advice on a branded motherboard
> would be appreciated?
 
D

dadiOH

Flightless Bird
choro wrote:
> AAH wrote:
>> I want to upgrade my present computer
>> as it is quite slow. Running Win Me at the
>> moment. There is no problem with my os.
>>
>> I want setup Win XP first and after that
>> move on to Win 7.
>>
>> I want a new mother board with the capacity
>> connection of
>> 2 Hard Disk Drive
>> 1 Cd Rom Writer Drive
>> 1 DVD Player Drive
>> 1 Floppy A: Drive
>> The money available is £70/£100.
>
> £70 all in did you say?
>
> Try your local charity shop... ;-)

He can easily get a good mobo for that amount of money.

OP: decide on your processor then browse Newegg.com for compatible mobos,
they show you all the details...number of drive channels, number and type of
card slots, etc. The only potential problem with what you need is the
floppy, many mobos no longer have a connection for them; OTOH, there are
many that do.


--

dadiOH
____________________________

dadiOH's dandies v3.06...
....a help file of info about MP3s, recording from
LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico
 
P

Peter Taylor

Flightless Bird
On 08/18/2010 03:52 PM, AAH wrote:
> Choro
>
> I have no good knowledge of these things
> My information was based some one's
> rough estimate. It would appear that person
> is no better than me. I am interested in a
> intel over 2.xx processor. No AMD at all.
> I am quite ok to spend £250/£300.
> Can you suggest some name/model?
> Thanks.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "choro"<choro@tvco.net> wrote in message
> news:LxQao.39355$GF5.4738@hurricane...
> AAH wrote:
>> I want to upgrade my present computer
>> as it is quite slow. Running Win Me at the
>> moment. There is no problem with my os.
>>
>> I want setup Win XP first and after that
>> move on to Win 7.
>>
>> I want a new mother board with the capacity
>> connection of
>> 2 Hard Disk Drive
>> 1 Cd Rom Writer Drive
>> 1 DVD Player Drive
>> 1 Floppy A: Drive
>> The money available is £70/£100.
>
> £70 all in did you say?
>
> Try your local charity shop... ;-)
>
>>
>> Any advice on a branded motherboard
>> would be appreciated?
>
>
>

I use an ASUS 775 board with an Intel E5200 and, except for the video
card, the whole thing cost me under 350 EUR. I ordered it with 4 gigs of
800 RAM, the case, case fan, floppy, one IDE DVD recorder optical drive,
480 watts power supply and a 500 GB SATA hard drive.

--
Peter Taylor
 
P

Paul

Flightless Bird
AAH wrote:
> Paul
> Thank you for your detailed information.
>
> I have quite a lot of stuff saved on Cds
> and portable hard disks IDE format Fat32.
>
> I understand that under the SATA fromat
> that will be useless?
>
> Can you comments on that part or suggest
> to convert or something like that?
>

SATA is the connector on the back of the hard drive
or the optical drive. Previously, the drives used
an IDE cable (ribbon cable). The cabling on the
drive is different now.

That is why, before buying a motherboard, it is
important to understand what kind of drives you'll
be connecting. Old drives, or new drives. Current
motherboards generally support two old drives, and
four or six new drives with SATA interface.

This photo shows hooking up an old drive in the top section,
and hooking up a new drive in the bottom section. The
motherboard must have a matching connector type, on the
motherboard surface, in order to plug in the cabling.
For example, the motherboard SATA connector, is where the
red colored data cable plugs in.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y38/muaz/sata-ide_lg.jpg

Paul
 
P

Paul

Flightless Bird
AAH wrote:
> Choro
>
> I have no good knowledge of these things
> My information was based some one's
> rough estimate. It would appear that person
> is no better than me. I am interested in a
> intel over 2.xx processor. No AMD at all.
> I am quite ok to spend £250/£300.
> Can you suggest some name/model?
> Thanks.
>

You can sort the motherboards by price, and see what £70
can buy.

http://www.microdirect.co.uk/Home/S...answers_per_page=50&first_answer=51&Next=true

This is an LGA1156 motherboard (more recent technology
than the LGA775 motherboard I suggested in the other
posting). This may cost a bit more than the Asrock
4CoreDual-SATA2 R2.0 (LGA775) would have.

http://www.microdirect.co.uk/Home/Product/46659/Asus-Motherboard-P7H55-M-Intel-LGA1156-DDR3

It has six SATA connectors, to support up to six drives
with SATA cabling. It has only one "Parallel ATA" connector,
which is where the old ribbon cable connection would go.
You could move two drive devices from your old computer
and connect them to that connector.

You can see the connectors on the back, here. PS/2 keyboard, and
your mouse would have to be USB.

http://images17.newegg.com/is/image/newegg/13-131-638-Z01?$S640W$

It has HDMI and VGA for video. You might need an HDMI to DVI adapter,
if connecting a DVI monitor. There is a LAN connector and three ports
for audio (5.1).

http://images17.newegg.com/is/image/newegg/13-131-638-Z02?$S640W$

Hmmm. I don't see a floppy connector.

http://images17.newegg.com/is/image/newegg/13-131-638-Z03?$S640W$

The supported CPUs for that motherboard, are listed here.

http://support.asus.com.tw/cpusupport/cpusupport.aspx?SLanguage=en-us&model=P7H55-M

*******

The GIGABYTE GA-H55M-S2H (£62.50) is similar, except it has a floppy connector.
The price you pay for that, is there are only two DIMM slots for
memory on this motherboard. Otherwise, this motherboard would also
do the job.

http://www.microdirect.co.uk/Home/Product/43977/Gigabyte-motherboard-GA-H55M-S2H-Intel-H55-Core

The GA-H55M-S2H manual is here.

http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3523#dl

There are two ways to get working video. You can buy a separate
video card, and put it in the PCI Express x16 slot. Or, you can
use the "motherboard graphics".

The motherboard graphics only work on that one, if you buy an
Intel processor with the graphics inside the processor. There are
some Core i5 LGA1156 processors that have it (like Core i5-650).

http://ark.intel.com/ProductCollection.aspx?familyId=42912

or the Core i3-540.

http://ark.intel.com/ProductCollection.aspx?familyId=43129

The CPU Support on the GA-H55M-S2H is here.

http://www.gigabyte.com/support-downloads/cpu-support-popup.aspx?pid=3523

There is a price list for the LGA1156 processors here.

http://www.microdirect.co.uk/Home/S...lue_string|Processor+Socket=LGA1156+(Socket+H)

An i3-540 is £98.66 .

http://www.microdirect.co.uk/Home/Product/44000/Intel-CPU-Core-i3-540-3-06GHz-Clarkdale-Core

The memory selection on that site isn't very good. You'd buy two
of these, for a total of 2GB. 2 x £33.12 . I would expect to be
paying less than that. CAS7 or CAS9 shouldn't make any difference.
I selected DDR3-1333 to do the job.

http://www.microdirect.co.uk/Home/Product/46022/Kingston-memory-1GB-1333MHz-DDR3-Non-ECC-CL7

So far, for the basics, the total is 62.50+98.66+66.24 = £227.40

You can select other components, to adjust the price accordingly.

> "choro" <choro@tvco.net> wrote in message
> news:LxQao.39355$GF5.4738@hurricane...
> AAH wrote:
>> I want to upgrade my present computer
>> as it is quite slow. Running Win Me at the
>> moment. There is no problem with my os.
>>
>> I want setup Win XP first and after that
>> move on to Win 7.
>>
>> I want a new mother board with the capacity
>> connection of
>> 2 Hard Disk Drive
>> 1 Cd Rom Writer Drive
>> 1 DVD Player Drive
>> 1 Floppy A: Drive
>> The money available is £70/£100.
>
> £70 all in did you say?
>
> Try your local charity shop... ;-)
>
>> Any advice on a branded motherboard
>> would be appreciated?
>
 
A

AAH

Flightless Bird
Paul
Thank you very much for details
various motherboards.
May God Bless You with Good
Health and Happiness.

"Paul" <nospam@needed.com> wrote in message
news:i4h8hq$300$1@speranza.aioe.org...
AAH wrote:
> Choro
>
> I have no good knowledge of these things
> My information was based some one's
> rough estimate. It would appear that person
> is no better than me. I am interested in a
> intel over 2.xx processor. No AMD at all.
> I am quite ok to spend £250/£300.
> Can you suggest some name/model?
> Thanks.
>

You can sort the motherboards by price, and see what £70
can buy.

http://www.microdirect.co.uk/Home/S...answers_per_page=50&first_answer=51&Next=true

This is an LGA1156 motherboard (more recent technology
than the LGA775 motherboard I suggested in the other
posting). This may cost a bit more than the Asrock
4CoreDual-SATA2 R2.0 (LGA775) would have.

http://www.microdirect.co.uk/Home/Product/46659/Asus-Motherboard-P7H55-M-Intel-LGA1156-DDR3

It has six SATA connectors, to support up to six drives
with SATA cabling. It has only one "Parallel ATA" connector,
which is where the old ribbon cable connection would go.
You could move two drive devices from your old computer
and connect them to that connector.

You can see the connectors on the back, here. PS/2 keyboard, and
your mouse would have to be USB.

http://images17.newegg.com/is/image/newegg/13-131-638-Z01?$S640W$

It has HDMI and VGA for video. You might need an HDMI to DVI adapter,
if connecting a DVI monitor. There is a LAN connector and three ports
for audio (5.1).

http://images17.newegg.com/is/image/newegg/13-131-638-Z02?$S640W$

Hmmm. I don't see a floppy connector.

http://images17.newegg.com/is/image/newegg/13-131-638-Z03?$S640W$

The supported CPUs for that motherboard, are listed here.

http://support.asus.com.tw/cpusupport/cpusupport.aspx?SLanguage=en-us&model=P7H55-M

*******

The GIGABYTE GA-H55M-S2H (£62.50) is similar, except it has a floppy
connector.
The price you pay for that, is there are only two DIMM slots for
memory on this motherboard. Otherwise, this motherboard would also
do the job.

http://www.microdirect.co.uk/Home/Product/43977/Gigabyte-motherboard-GA-H55M-S2H-Intel-H55-Core

The GA-H55M-S2H manual is here.

http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3523#dl

There are two ways to get working video. You can buy a separate
video card, and put it in the PCI Express x16 slot. Or, you can
use the "motherboard graphics".

The motherboard graphics only work on that one, if you buy an
Intel processor with the graphics inside the processor. There are
some Core i5 LGA1156 processors that have it (like Core i5-650).

http://ark.intel.com/ProductCollection.aspx?familyId=42912

or the Core i3-540.

http://ark.intel.com/ProductCollection.aspx?familyId=43129

The CPU Support on the GA-H55M-S2H is here.

http://www.gigabyte.com/support-downloads/cpu-support-popup.aspx?pid=3523

There is a price list for the LGA1156 processors here.

http://www.microdirect.co.uk/Home/S...lue_string|Processor+Socket=LGA1156+(Socket+H)

An i3-540 is £98.66 .

http://www.microdirect.co.uk/Home/Product/44000/Intel-CPU-Core-i3-540-3-06GHz-Clarkdale-Core

The memory selection on that site isn't very good. You'd buy two
of these, for a total of 2GB. 2 x £33.12 . I would expect to be
paying less than that. CAS7 or CAS9 shouldn't make any difference.
I selected DDR3-1333 to do the job.

http://www.microdirect.co.uk/Home/Product/46022/Kingston-memory-1GB-1333MHz-DDR3-Non-ECC-CL7

So far, for the basics, the total is 62.50+98.66+66.24 = £227.40

You can select other components, to adjust the price accordingly.

> "choro" <choro@tvco.net> wrote in message
> news:LxQao.39355$GF5.4738@hurricane...
> AAH wrote:
>> I want to upgrade my present computer
>> as it is quite slow. Running Win Me at the
>> moment. There is no problem with my os.
>>
>> I want setup Win XP first and after that
>> move on to Win 7.
>>
>> I want a new mother board with the capacity
>> connection of
>> 2 Hard Disk Drive
>> 1 Cd Rom Writer Drive
>> 1 DVD Player Drive
>> 1 Floppy A: Drive
>> The money available is £70/£100.
>
> £70 all in did you say?
>
> Try your local charity shop... ;-)
>
>> Any advice on a branded motherboard
>> would be appreciated?
>
 
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