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Discussion in 'Windows 7' started by housetrained, Jan 25, 2010.

  1. housetrained

    housetrained Flightless Bird

    suddenly found myself with only ONE restore point. anyone know what could
    have caused this? how to repair?
    many thanks.

    --
    John the West Ham fan

    housetrained@hotmail.com
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  2. relic

    relic Flightless Bird

    "housetrained" <housetrained@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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    > suddenly found myself with only ONE restore point. anyone know what could
    > have caused this? how to repair?
    > many thanks.


    Some updates delete all old restore points when they install.

    You can't "repair" deleted restore points.
     
  3. housetrained

    housetrained Flightless Bird

    "relic" <relic2@cjb.net> wrote in message
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    <snip>>
    > Some updates delete all old restore points when they install.
    >
    > You can't "repair" deleted restore points.


    No, meant repair the facility BUT just checked and now there is two - must
    be as you say - thanks

    --
    "When a thing ceases to be a subject of controversy, it ceases to be a
    subject of interest." - William Hazlitt (1778 - 1830)
    housetrained@hotmail.com
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  4. SC Tom

    SC Tom Flightless Bird

    "relic" <relic2@cjb.net> wrote in message
    news:3fi190.fmf.19.1@news.alt.net...
    >
    > "housetrained" <housetrained@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:002c0a9e$0$30031$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com...
    >> suddenly found myself with only ONE restore point. anyone know what could
    >> have caused this? how to repair?
    >> many thanks.

    >
    > Some updates delete all old restore points when they install.
    >
    > You can't "repair" deleted restore points.


    I know most updates will create a point, but I'm yet to see one that deleted
    any old ones. I've got RP's all the way back to late October on my XP
    system, and back to January 1st on Win7 (limited by the space restrictions I
    imposed). Most of them are "Critical Update" types.
    --
    SC Tom
     
  5. Trev

    Trev Flightless Bird

    "SC Tom" <sc@tom.net> wrote in message
    news:hjms5b$9oj$1@speranza.aioe.org...
    >
    > "relic" <relic2@cjb.net> wrote in message
    > news:3fi190.fmf.19.1@news.alt.net...
    >>
    >> "housetrained" <housetrained@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    >> news:002c0a9e$0$30031$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com...
    >>> suddenly found myself with only ONE restore point. anyone know what
    >>> could have caused this? how to repair?
    >>> many thanks.

    >>
    >> Some updates delete all old restore points when they install.
    >>
    >> You can't "repair" deleted restore points.

    >
    > I know most updates will create a point, but I'm yet to see one that
    > deleted any old ones. I've got RP's all the way back to late October on my
    > XP system, and back to January 1st on Win7 (limited by the space
    > restrictions I imposed). Most of them are "Critical Update" types.
    > --
    > SC Tom
    >


    Might it depend on how much space is allocated as to when older restore
    points are deleted
     
  6. Andy

    Andy Flightless Bird

    "Trev" <trev_uk@hotmail.com invalid> wrote:

    >
    > "SC Tom" <sc@tom.net> wrote in message
    > news:hjms5b$9oj$1@speranza.aioe.org...
    >>
    >> "relic" <relic2@cjb.net> wrote in message
    >> news:3fi190.fmf.19.1@news.alt.net...
    >>>
    >>> "housetrained" <housetrained@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    >>> news:002c0a9e$0$30031$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com...
    >>>> suddenly found myself with only ONE restore point. anyone know what
    >>>> could have caused this? how to repair?
    >>>> many thanks.
    >>>
    >>> Some updates delete all old restore points when they install.
    >>>
    >>> You can't "repair" deleted restore points.

    >>
    >> I know most updates will create a point, but I'm yet to see one that
    >> deleted any old ones. I've got RP's all the way back to late October
    >> on my XP system, and back to January 1st on Win7 (limited by the
    >> space restrictions I imposed). Most of them are "Critical Update"
    >> types. --
    >> SC Tom
    >>

    >
    > Might it depend on how much space is allocated as to when older
    > restore points are deleted



    I'd ask, when does 290 Gigs of HD storeage make that an issue?!?

    Andy
     
  7. Trev

    Trev Flightless Bird

    "Andy" <a@b.c> wrote in message news:Xns9D0C66BD0F284Cotd@216.196.97.131...
    > "Trev" <trev_uk@hotmail.com invalid> wrote:
    >
    >>
    >> "SC Tom" <sc@tom.net> wrote in message
    >> news:hjms5b$9oj$1@speranza.aioe.org...
    >>>
    >>> "relic" <relic2@cjb.net> wrote in message
    >>> news:3fi190.fmf.19.1@news.alt.net...
    >>>>
    >>>> "housetrained" <housetrained@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    >>>> news:002c0a9e$0$30031$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com...
    >>>>> suddenly found myself with only ONE restore point. anyone know what
    >>>>> could have caused this? how to repair?
    >>>>> many thanks.
    >>>>
    >>>> Some updates delete all old restore points when they install.
    >>>>
    >>>> You can't "repair" deleted restore points.
    >>>
    >>> I know most updates will create a point, but I'm yet to see one that
    >>> deleted any old ones. I've got RP's all the way back to late October
    >>> on my XP system, and back to January 1st on Win7 (limited by the
    >>> space restrictions I imposed). Most of them are "Critical Update"
    >>> types. --
    >>> SC Tom
    >>>

    >>
    >> Might it depend on how much space is allocated as to when older
    >> restore points are deleted

    >
    >
    > I'd ask, when does 290 Gigs of HD storeage make that an issue?!?
    >
    > Andy


    When its set to only use 4 GBs or less, Do you know what yours is set as?
     
  8. SC Tom

    SC Tom Flightless Bird

    "Trev" <trev_uk@hotmail.com invalid> wrote in message
    news:4OSdnTWrKNwfZ8PWnZ2dnUVZ8hydnZ2d@pipex.net...
    >
    > "SC Tom" <sc@tom.net> wrote in message
    > news:hjms5b$9oj$1@speranza.aioe.org...
    >>
    >> "relic" <relic2@cjb.net> wrote in message
    >> news:3fi190.fmf.19.1@news.alt.net...
    >>>
    >>> "housetrained" <housetrained@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    >>> news:002c0a9e$0$30031$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com...
    >>>> suddenly found myself with only ONE restore point. anyone know what
    >>>> could have caused this? how to repair?
    >>>> many thanks.
    >>>
    >>> Some updates delete all old restore points when they install.
    >>>
    >>> You can't "repair" deleted restore points.

    >>
    >> I know most updates will create a point, but I'm yet to see one that
    >> deleted any old ones. I've got RP's all the way back to late October on
    >> my XP system, and back to January 1st on Win7 (limited by the space
    >> restrictions I imposed). Most of them are "Critical Update" types.
    >> --
    >> SC Tom
    >>

    >
    > Might it depend on how much space is allocated as to when older restore
    > points are deleted


    That's what I said- I have imposed limitations on my Win7 box as to how much
    space to use for SR. My XP box has a much larger HDD, so I left it at
    default.
    --
    SC Tom
     
  9. relic

    relic Flightless Bird

    "SC Tom" <sc@tom.net> wrote in message
    news:hjms5b$9oj$1@speranza.aioe.org...
    >
    > "relic" <relic2@cjb.net> wrote in message
    > news:3fi190.fmf.19.1@news.alt.net...
    >>
    >> "housetrained" <housetrained@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    >> news:002c0a9e$0$30031$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com...
    >>> suddenly found myself with only ONE restore point. anyone know what
    >>> could have caused this? how to repair?
    >>> many thanks.

    >>
    >> Some updates delete all old restore points when they install.
    >>
    >> You can't "repair" deleted restore points.

    >
    > I know most updates will create a point, but I'm yet to see one that
    > deleted any old ones. I've got RP's all the way back to late October on my
    > XP system, and back to January 1st on Win7 (limited by the space
    > restrictions I imposed). Most of them are "Critical Update" types.


    I've seen several over the years, but I haven't paid attention in W7 because
    I stopped using System Restore. Every update that can't be removed does
    it... and they don't have a Delete option in Add/Remove programs.
     
  10. relic

    relic Flightless Bird

    "housetrained" <housetrained@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:002c9ded$0$30068$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com...
    > "relic" <relic2@cjb.net> wrote in message
    > news:3fi190.fmf.19.1@news.alt.net...
    > <snip>>
    >> Some updates delete all old restore points when they install.
    >>
    >> You can't "repair" deleted restore points.

    >
    > No, meant repair the facility BUT just checked and now there is two - must
    > be as you say - thanks


    To repair any corruption in restore points, turn System Restore off, reboot,
    then you can turn it back on.
     
  11. SC Tom

    SC Tom Flightless Bird

    "relic" <relic2@cjb.net> wrote in message
    news:3fke56.g9d.19.1@news.alt.net...
    >
    > "SC Tom" <sc@tom.net> wrote in message
    > news:hjms5b$9oj$1@speranza.aioe.org...
    >>
    >> "relic" <relic2@cjb.net> wrote in message
    >> news:3fi190.fmf.19.1@news.alt.net...
    >>>
    >>> "housetrained" <housetrained@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    >>> news:002c0a9e$0$30031$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com...
    >>>> suddenly found myself with only ONE restore point. anyone know what
    >>>> could have caused this? how to repair?
    >>>> many thanks.
    >>>
    >>> Some updates delete all old restore points when they install.
    >>>
    >>> You can't "repair" deleted restore points.

    >>
    >> I know most updates will create a point, but I'm yet to see one that
    >> deleted any old ones. I've got RP's all the way back to late October on
    >> my XP system, and back to January 1st on Win7 (limited by the space
    >> restrictions I imposed). Most of them are "Critical Update" types.

    >
    > I've seen several over the years, but I haven't paid attention in W7
    > because I stopped using System Restore. Every update that can't be removed
    > does it... and they don't have a Delete option in Add/Remove programs.
    >


    Would that include Defender updates? I don't believe they can be removed,
    nor have they removed any of my restore points. Since it hasn't happened to
    me (and I've used SR since Windows ME), I'd have to see some verified proof
    of it happening.

    I did a quick search on Google and Microsoft Support and didn't come up with
    this reason for losing a point. The closest thing I saw to it was if a large
    number of updates were installed at one time or a suite product like Office
    was installed, older points were removed because the restore point created
    by these scenarios would be so large that older ones were removed to make
    room for the new ones. I would imagine that a system that had it's allocated
    SR memory reduced to, say, 4 or 5GB, recent points would be removed because
    of the size of the new one and the allocation size restraints on the system.
    --
    SC Tom
     
  12. Seth

    Seth Flightless Bird

    "SC Tom" <sc@tom.net> wrote in message news:hjntsr$at$1@speranza.aioe.org...
    >
    > "relic" <relic2@cjb.net> wrote in message
    > news:3fke56.g9d.19.1@news.alt.net...
    >>
    >> "SC Tom" <sc@tom.net> wrote in message
    >> news:hjms5b$9oj$1@speranza.aioe.org...
    >>>
    >>> "relic" <relic2@cjb.net> wrote in message
    >>> news:3fi190.fmf.19.1@news.alt.net...
    >>>>
    >>>> "housetrained" <housetrained@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    >>>> news:002c0a9e$0$30031$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com...
    >>>>> suddenly found myself with only ONE restore point. anyone know what
    >>>>> could have caused this? how to repair?
    >>>>> many thanks.
    >>>>
    >>>> Some updates delete all old restore points when they install.
    >>>>
    >>>> You can't "repair" deleted restore points.
    >>>
    >>> I know most updates will create a point, but I'm yet to see one that
    >>> deleted any old ones. I've got RP's all the way back to late October on
    >>> my XP system, and back to January 1st on Win7 (limited by the space
    >>> restrictions I imposed). Most of them are "Critical Update" types.

    >>
    >> I've seen several over the years, but I haven't paid attention in W7
    >> because I stopped using System Restore. Every update that can't be
    >> removed does it... and they don't have a Delete option in Add/Remove
    >> programs.
    >>

    >
    > Would that include Defender updates? I don't believe they can be removed,
    > nor have they removed any of my restore points. Since it hasn't happened
    > to me (and I've used SR since Windows ME), I'd have to see some verified
    > proof of it happening.


    Defender updates should affect this as that is an add-on utility (like any
    other app) and not intinsic to the operating system.

    > I did a quick search on Google and Microsoft Support and didn't come up
    > with this reason for losing a point. The closest thing I saw to it was if
    > a large number of updates were installed at one time or a suite product
    > like Office was installed, older points were removed because the restore
    > point created by these scenarios would be so large that older ones were
    > removed to make room for the new ones. I would imagine that a system that
    > had it's allocated SR memory reduced to, say, 4 or 5GB, recent points
    > would be removed because of the size of the new one and the allocation
    > size restraints on the system.


    Another scenario for restore points disappearing is in a dual boot scenario
    between Longhorn (Vista and W7) and XP and indicated in this FAQ...
    http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows-vista/System-Restore-frequently-asked-questions
    and this KB article
    http://support.microsoft.com/kb/926185


    A few other notes I see regarding this issue are if Office 97 or components
    of Office 97 are installed.

    Any VSS events in the eventlog?

    And see if this thread has any advice that applies...
    http://www.sevenforums.com/performance-maintenance/53948-why-my-restore-points-disappear.html
     
  13. SC Tom

    SC Tom Flightless Bird

    "Seth" <seth_lermanNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:hjo0pd$o7a$1@news.eternal-september.org...
    > "SC Tom" <sc@tom.net> wrote in message
    > news:hjntsr$at$1@speranza.aioe.org...
    >>
    >> "relic" <relic2@cjb.net> wrote in message
    >> news:3fke56.g9d.19.1@news.alt.net...
    >>>
    >>> "SC Tom" <sc@tom.net> wrote in message
    >>> news:hjms5b$9oj$1@speranza.aioe.org...
    >>>>
    >>>> "relic" <relic2@cjb.net> wrote in message
    >>>> news:3fi190.fmf.19.1@news.alt.net...
    >>>>>
    >>>>> "housetrained" <housetrained@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    >>>>> news:002c0a9e$0$30031$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com...
    >>>>>> suddenly found myself with only ONE restore point. anyone know what
    >>>>>> could have caused this? how to repair?
    >>>>>> many thanks.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Some updates delete all old restore points when they install.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> You can't "repair" deleted restore points.
    >>>>
    >>>> I know most updates will create a point, but I'm yet to see one that
    >>>> deleted any old ones. I've got RP's all the way back to late October on
    >>>> my XP system, and back to January 1st on Win7 (limited by the space
    >>>> restrictions I imposed). Most of them are "Critical Update" types.
    >>>
    >>> I've seen several over the years, but I haven't paid attention in W7
    >>> because I stopped using System Restore. Every update that can't be
    >>> removed does it... and they don't have a Delete option in Add/Remove
    >>> programs.
    >>>

    >>
    >> Would that include Defender updates? I don't believe they can be removed,
    >> nor have they removed any of my restore points. Since it hasn't happened
    >> to me (and I've used SR since Windows ME), I'd have to see some verified
    >> proof of it happening.

    >
    > Defender updates should affect this as that is an add-on utility (like any
    > other app) and not intinsic to the operating system.
    >
    >> I did a quick search on Google and Microsoft Support and didn't come up
    >> with this reason for losing a point. The closest thing I saw to it was if
    >> a large number of updates were installed at one time or a suite product
    >> like Office was installed, older points were removed because the restore
    >> point created by these scenarios would be so large that older ones were
    >> removed to make room for the new ones. I would imagine that a system that
    >> had it's allocated SR memory reduced to, say, 4 or 5GB, recent points
    >> would be removed because of the size of the new one and the allocation
    >> size restraints on the system.

    >
    > Another scenario for restore points disappearing is in a dual boot
    > scenario between Longhorn (Vista and W7) and XP and indicated in this
    > FAQ...
    > http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows-vista/System-Restore-frequently-asked-questions
    > and this KB article
    > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/926185
    >
    >
    > A few other notes I see regarding this issue are if Office 97 or
    > components of Office 97 are installed.
    >
    > Any VSS events in the eventlog?
    >
    > And see if this thread has any advice that applies...
    > http://www.sevenforums.com/performance-maintenance/53948-why-my-restore-points-disappear.html
    >


    I'm not having a problem with it. I was just trying to get some
    clarification of an earlier post.
    --
    SC Tom
     
  14. Andy

    Andy Flightless Bird

    "Trev" <trev_uk@hotmail.com invalid> wrote:

    >
    > "Andy" <a@b.c> wrote in message
    > news:Xns9D0C66BD0F284Cotd@216.196.97.131...
    >> "Trev" <trev_uk@hotmail.com invalid> wrote:
    >>
    >>>
    >>> "SC Tom" <sc@tom.net> wrote in message
    >>> news:hjms5b$9oj$1@speranza.aioe.org...
    >>>>
    >>>> "relic" <relic2@cjb.net> wrote in message
    >>>> news:3fi190.fmf.19.1@news.alt.net...
    >>>>>
    >>>>> "housetrained" <housetrained@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    >>>>> news:002c0a9e$0$30031$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com...
    >>>>>> suddenly found myself with only ONE restore point. anyone know
    >>>>>> what could have caused this? how to repair?
    >>>>>> many thanks.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Some updates delete all old restore points when they install.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> You can't "repair" deleted restore points.
    >>>>
    >>>> I know most updates will create a point, but I'm yet to see one
    >>>> that deleted any old ones. I've got RP's all the way back to late
    >>>> October on my XP system, and back to January 1st on Win7 (limited
    >>>> by the space restrictions I imposed). Most of them are "Critical
    >>>> Update" types. --
    >>>> SC Tom
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>> Might it depend on how much space is allocated as to when older
    >>> restore points are deleted

    >>
    >>
    >> I'd ask, when does 290 Gigs of HD storeage make that an issue?!?
    >>
    >> Andy

    >
    > When its set to only use 4 GBs or less, Do you know what yours is set
    > as?



    Well, no, actually I don't.

    I don't cache where I can. Like in the Firefox browser, with such high
    speed Internet, what's the point? Too much overhead redundancy, imho.

    Best,

    Andy
     

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