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Nil

Flightless Bird
On 11 Jul 2010, "Bill in Co" <surly_curmudgeon@earthlink.net> wrote
in microsoft.public.windowsxp.general:

> I can't say if it was hundreds, but it was definitely in the
> several dozen range, and not just a handful or two (I'm talking
> about over ALL the years I've been monitoring them).

That's my point, there aren't "hundreds". Look, I'm not advocating the
use of registry cleaners and I'm fully aware of their potential for
damage. I agree, there's little or no need for the average user to use
them. I've seen a significant number of believable anecdotes, but I see
FAR more of these hysterical Cassandra warnings than real cases of
damage.

My real problem in this case is this annoying dweeb "Unknown" who
consistently flits in with its stock admonishments about not expressing
opinions, all the while spewing its own hyperbolic FUD.

I say, state the situation, relate your experiences, cite documented
cases. There's no need to exaggerate and spread old wives tales.
 
B

Bill in Co

Flightless Bird
Nil wrote:
> On 11 Jul 2010, "Bill in Co" <surly_curmudgeon@earthlink.net> wrote
> in microsoft.public.windowsxp.general:
>
>> I can't say if it was hundreds, but it was definitely in the
>> several dozen range, and not just a handful or two (I'm talking
>> about over ALL the years I've been monitoring them).
>
> That's my point, there aren't "hundreds". Look, I'm not advocating the
> use of registry cleaners and I'm fully aware of their potential for
> damage. I agree, there's little or no need for the average user to use
> them. I've seen a significant number of believable anecdotes, but I see
> FAR more of these hysterical Cassandra warnings than real cases of
> damage.

I think that until you have been really burned by their use, it's just too
easy to gloss over. Over all time, I've used several in the past, and have
experienced some of their pitfalls. But I've still got some installed.
(I use one to clean out some of the Recent Documents lists, and also to see
if anything has changed after I've installed or uninstalled a program,
something that might become problematic later on. For example, if I've
uninstalled a program and then notice a large increase in the number of
reported "errors" (which is rare, but it has happened), it's likely I'll
just go back and restore an image backup, and just LEAVE the program
installed).
 
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Incognitus

Flightless Bird
On 07/11/2010 02:19 PM, Unknown wrote:
> Absolute hogwash. There have been hundreds of posts on this newsgroup of
> computers being rendered inoperative
> by the user running a registry cleaner. Simply running a registry cleaner
> has caused damage.

Reading comprehension 101 is a must.
 
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Incognitus

Flightless Bird
On 07/12/2010 02:04 AM, PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
> Incognitus wrote:
> <SNIP>
>> I'm surprised you didn't tell Eddie of the Backup folder.
>
> IIRC he didn't state that it was a problem for him. If he had, I'd have
> pointed him to...
>
> Restoring Registry Keys after Cleanup
> http://boards.live.com/safetyboards/thread.aspx?ThreadID=4868

IIRC it was KB that made those two statements and was reminded of a
restore point created but I don't recall anyone mentioning the Backup
folder http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?t=28099 oh well, thanks.
 
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Eddie

Flightless Bird
PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
> Eddie wrote:
>> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
>>> If you ever think your Registry needs to be cleaned, repaired, boosted,
>>> tuned-up, cured, tweaked, fixed, or optimized (it doesn't), read
>>> http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?t=28099 and draw your own conclusions.
>>
>>
>> Hi [PA],
>>
>> I have followed and respected your replies to posts for years, and also
>> your affiliation toward ms products.
>>
>> I do have a question though regarding this thread, but first, an excerpt
>> from the link you posted re: O/P.
>> ------\/
>>
>> "Microsoft has a freebie online program at
>> http://onecare.live.com/site/en-us/default.htm. Being the Godfather's
>> program it should be safe....theoretically. It didn't do me any harm.
>> I strongly recommend that you, or anyone else, avoid using the onecare
>> registry cleaner
>>
>> Here's why:
>>
>> The onecare cleaner offers no chance to backup what is removed and
>> whatever it removes is gone, forever. Should it mistakenly remove a key
>> or value needed by your operating system or software it's gone along
>> with your program or operating system. I've seen onecare's registry
>> cleaner completely hose systems."
>> ------
>>
>> My question is: WHY did Bill/Micro allow this program to be written in
>> the first place? Why are ppl saying to Avoid it at all costs? (yet it is
>> written by M/S)
>> Lastly, and again, .. why did micro put it out there for all to see
>> Knowing Full Well that NO registry cleaner works at all.. and especially
>> considering each persons computer is different due to d/loads and
>> software and blah blah.
> <snip>
>> What do you reckon?
>
> A very sore subject! I reckon that many longtime MVPs are Microsoft's
> most vocal critics (vs. newer MVPs who are basically "MS Enthusiasts;"
> e.g., the obnoxious Win7 Launch Parties).
>
> I can't think of one Windows MVP who didn't take MS to task for
> misguidedly including a "Registry cleaner" in OneCare when beta testing
> began in 2006. (Four years later and we're still griping about it so if
> you think MVPs have much "pull" these days, think again.)
>
> The Windows Live OneCare Safety Center's
> (http://onecare.live.com/site/en-us/default.htm) "Clean up" scan is MS's
> online "Registry cleaner," and it's included when you run the Full
> Service scan. Even while the applications were in beta, this started
> causing problems (i.e., stuff was "cleaned" that shouldn't have been),
> so much so that Support had to make this page available, primarily due
> to MVP pressure):
> http://boards.msn.com/safetyboards/thread.aspx?ThreadID=4868
>
> While OneCare itself has been discontinued (cf.
> http://onecare.live.com/standard/en-us/activation/oc_eol_guidance.htm),
> the online scans remain available and haven't been changed at all.
>
> The The Windows Live OneCare Safety Center's online scan for Vista/Win7
> is the Full Service scan only (i.e., you can't just run the Protection
> scan) and continues to cause problems for users; cf.
> http://onecare.live.com/site/en-us/center/whatsnew.htm.
>
> Even Mark Russinovich (Technical Fellow in the MS Platform and Services
> Division) criticized the use of Registry cleaners back in 2005:
> http://blogs.technet.com/b/markruss.../02/registry-junk-a-windows-fact-of-life.aspx
>
>
> Again, a very sore subject!



Pa,,
I only just got to this post, (and I searched for it for ages, just
couldnt see the usual 'green arrow' my end to say I had replied to
someone.) and I'd like to say before I motor on and read all other posts
in this thread, that I have yet again elevated you to 'top of the list';
and my reason>> your honesty Pa, simply your honesty in saying it is a
sore topic/subject.
I'll go read the rest now.

Cheers Pa.

Ed
 
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Eddie

Flightless Bird

> Registry cleaners themselves do no harm, it's the clueless twit using
> them that causes the harm, the proof is in the two false statements
> quoted above.
>
> I'm surprised you didn't tell Eddie of the Backup folder.
>



Hi,,

He probably didnt tell Eddie that, because he already knew Eddie wasnt
talking about back-ups and the like at that stage,, but was merely
enquiring about about MS's version of a Reg Cleaner as per the link.;
and how poor newbs can get tangled up in the web of Reg cleaners.
I found his answer to be 'right on the money', and hence why I always
peruse his posts... he has an air of humility about him.

Ed
 
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Eddie

Flightless Bird
Bill in Co wrote:
> That's just because THEY didn't run it at the right time of the day.
> What's the matter with you? It takes skill to know what time of the day is
> best. :)


I heard Friday arvos were a good time,, might even get your petrol
cheaper too. (chuckle)

Ed



>
> Unknown wrote:
>> Absolute hogwash. There have been hundreds of posts on this newsgroup of
>> computers being rendered inoperative
>> by the user running a registry cleaner. Simply running a registry cleaner
>> has caused damage.
>>
>> "Incognitus" <in@ccurate.com.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:i1chmc$875$1@speranza.aioe.org...
>>> On 07/10/2010 10:03 AM, PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
>>>> Eddie wrote:
>>>>> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
>>>>>> If you ever think your Registry needs to be cleaned, repaired,
>>>>>> boosted,
>>>>>> tuned-up, cured, tweaked, fixed, or optimized (it doesn't), read
>>>>>> http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?t=28099 and draw your own conclusions.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi [PA],
>>>>>
>>>>> I have followed and respected your replies to posts for years, and also
>>>>> your affiliation toward ms products.
>>>>>
>>>>> I do have a question though regarding this thread, but first, an
>>>>> excerpt
>>>>> from the link you posted re: O/P.
>>>>> ------\/
>>>>>
>>>>> "Microsoft has a freebie online program at
>>>>> http://onecare.live.com/site/en-us/default.htm. Being the Godfather's
>>>>> program it should be safe....theoretically. It didn't do me any harm.
>>>>> I strongly recommend that you, or anyone else, avoid using the onecare
>>>>> registry cleaner
>>>>>
>>>>> Here's why:
>>>>>
>>>>> The onecare cleaner offers no chance to backup what is removed and
>>>>> whatever it removes is gone, forever. Should it mistakenly remove a key
>>>>> or value needed by your operating system or software it's gone along
>>>>> with your program or operating system. I've seen onecare's registry
>>>>> cleaner completely hose systems."
>>>>> ------
>>>>>
>>>>> My question is: WHY did Bill/Micro allow this program to be written in
>>>>> the first place? Why are ppl saying to Avoid it at all costs? (yet it
>>>>> is
>>>>> written by M/S)
>>>>> Lastly, and again, .. why did micro put it out there for all to see
>>>>> Knowing Full Well that NO registry cleaner works at all.. and
>>>>> especially
>>>>> considering each persons computer is different due to d/loads and
>>>>> software and blah blah.
>>>> <snip>
>>>>> What do you reckon?
>>>> A very sore subject! I reckon that many longtime MVPs are Microsoft's
>>>> most vocal critics (vs. newer MVPs who are basically "MS Enthusiasts;"
>>>> e.g., the obnoxious Win7 Launch Parties).
>>>>
>>>> I can't think of one Windows MVP who didn't take MS to task for
>>>> misguidedly including a "Registry cleaner" in OneCare when beta testing
>>>> began in 2006. (Four years later and we're still griping about it so if
>>>> you think MVPs have much "pull" these days, think again.)
>>>>
>>>> The Windows Live OneCare Safety Center's
>>>> (http://onecare.live.com/site/en-us/default.htm) "Clean up" scan is MS's
>>>> online "Registry cleaner," and it's included when you run the Full
>>>> Service scan. Even while the applications were in beta, this started
>>>> causing problems (i.e., stuff was "cleaned" that shouldn't have been),
>>>> so much so that Support had to make this page available, primarily due
>>>> to MVP pressure):
>>>> http://boards.msn.com/safetyboards/thread.aspx?ThreadID=4868
>>>>
>>>> While OneCare itself has been discontinued (cf.
>>>> http://onecare.live.com/standard/en-us/activation/oc_eol_guidance.htm),
>>>> the online scans remain available and haven't been changed at all.
>>>>
>>>> The The Windows Live OneCare Safety Center's online scan for Vista/Win7
>>>> is the Full Service scan only (i.e., you can't just run the Protection
>>>> scan) and continues to cause problems for users; cf.
>>>> http://onecare.live.com/site/en-us/center/whatsnew.htm.
>>>>
>>>> Even Mark Russinovich (Technical Fellow in the MS Platform and Services
>>>> Division) criticized the use of Registry cleaners back in 2005:
>>>> http://blogs.technet.com/b/markruss.../02/registry-junk-a-windows-fact-of-life.aspx
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Again, a very sore subject!
>>> Well, first off re: http://onecare.live.com/site/en-us/default.htm
>>>
>>> The statements " The onecare cleaner offers no chance to backup what is
>>> removed and whatever it removes is gone, forever."
>>>
>>> and
>>>
>>> "Should it mistakenly remove a key or value needed by your operating
>>> system or software it's gone along with your program or operating
>>> system."
>>>
>>> are not true.
>>>
>>> C:/Documents and Settings\username\Local Settings\Application
>>> Data\Microsoft\Windows Live Onecare safety scanner\Backup
>>>
>>> is the location in XP where WLSC_Backup Registration Entries along with
>>> XML Documentation are stored.
>>>
>>> Registry cleaners themselves do no harm, it's the clueless twit using
>>> them
>>> that causes the harm, the proof is in the two false statements quoted
>>> above.
>>>
>>> I'm surprised you didn't tell Eddie of the Backup folder.
>
>
 
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Unknown

Flightless Bird
There was one post by a computer repair shop owner who stated he has fixed
hundreds of computers
that were damaged by the owner running a registry cleaner. I'm sure you can
find his post
in your quote of 442,902 archived by Google. Also of the millions of
computers
in existence, how many were damaged by a registry cleaner and not reported?
"Nil" <rednoise@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9DB2E15828F82nilch1@130.133.4.11...
> On 11 Jul 2010, "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote in
> microsoft.public.windowsxp.general:
>
>> Don't be so stupid. You know very well I cannot do that simply
>> because they were deleted.
>
> Really!?! By whom? Google has been archiving
> microsoft.public.windowsxp.general for a decade or more. If they exist,
> you should find your hundreds right there among the 442,902 messages
> they have archived. Check it out if you are so sure.
>
>> You poll all other posters for their positions.
>
> I thought you insisted on facts, not "positions".
>
> Be informed not opinionated.
 
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Nil

Flightless Bird
On 12 Jul 2010, "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote in
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general:

> There was one post by a computer repair shop owner who stated he
> has fixed hundreds of computers that were damaged by the owner
> running a registry cleaner.

OK, that's one (rumored) post by one anonymous yahoo who we have no
reason to believe, cited by another anonymous yahoo who we have no
reason to believe. Where are the rest of the "hundreds of posts" you
claim to exist? I'll accept even ONE hundred.

Be informed not opinionated.
 
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Unknown

Flightless Bird
Google for them.
"Nil" <rednoise@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9DB379F949051nilch1@130.133.4.11...
> On 12 Jul 2010, "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote in
> microsoft.public.windowsxp.general:
>
>> There was one post by a computer repair shop owner who stated he
>> has fixed hundreds of computers that were damaged by the owner
>> running a registry cleaner.
>
> OK, that's one (rumored) post by one anonymous yahoo who we have no
> reason to believe, cited by another anonymous yahoo who we have no
> reason to believe. Where are the rest of the "hundreds of posts" you
> claim to exist? I'll accept even ONE hundred.
>
> Be informed not opinionated.
 
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Unknown

Flightless Bird
Good grief, if indeed that is a problem for you why do you read my posts?
Why don't you simply ignore them.
Ever hear of a kilfile? Do you normally get upset easily? Maybe you need
counceling..
"Nil" <rednoise@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9DB2E477565A5nilch1@130.133.4.11...
> On 11 Jul 2010, "Bill in Co" <surly_curmudgeon@earthlink.net> wrote
> in microsoft.public.windowsxp.general:
>
>> I can't say if it was hundreds, but it was definitely in the
>> several dozen range, and not just a handful or two (I'm talking
>> about over ALL the years I've been monitoring them).
>
> That's my point, there aren't "hundreds". Look, I'm not advocating the
> use of registry cleaners and I'm fully aware of their potential for
> damage. I agree, there's little or no need for the average user to use
> them. I've seen a significant number of believable anecdotes, but I see
> FAR more of these hysterical Cassandra warnings than real cases of
> damage.
>
> My real problem in this case is this annoying dweeb "Unknown" who
> consistently flits in with its stock admonishments about not expressing
> opinions, all the while spewing its own hyperbolic FUD.
>
> I say, state the situation, relate your experiences, cite documented
> cases. There's no need to exaggerate and spread old wives tales.
 
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Nil

Flightless Bird
On 12 Jul 2010, "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote in
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general:

> Google for them.

"Hey! Did you know that Jesus and Lady Gaga meet regularly for tea
parties on the moon? Some guy on the internet said it, so it MUST be
true!"

It's your claim, not mine. Put up or shut up.

Be informed not opinionated.

> "Nil" <rednoise@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> wrote in message
> news:Xns9DB379F949051nilch1@130.133.4.11...
>> On 12 Jul 2010, "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote in
>> microsoft.public.windowsxp.general:
>>
>>> There was one post by a computer repair shop owner who stated he
>>> has fixed hundreds of computers that were damaged by the owner
>>> running a registry cleaner.
>>
>> OK, that's one (rumored) post by one anonymous yahoo who we have no
>> reason to believe, cited by another anonymous yahoo who we have no
>> reason to believe. Where are the rest of the "hundreds of posts" you
>> claim to exist? I'll accept even ONE hundred.
>>
>> Be informed not opinionated.
 
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Unknown

Flightless Bird
You really believe that?
"Nil" <rednoise@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9DB39751DABAFnilch1@130.133.4.11...
> On 12 Jul 2010, "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote in
> microsoft.public.windowsxp.general:
>
>> Google for them.
>
> "Hey! Did you know that Jesus and Lady Gaga meet regularly for tea
> parties on the moon? Some guy on the internet said it, so it MUST be
> true!"
>
> It's your claim, not mine. Put up or shut up.
>
> Be informed not opinionated.
>
>> "Nil" <rednoise@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:Xns9DB379F949051nilch1@130.133.4.11...
>>> On 12 Jul 2010, "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote in
>>> microsoft.public.windowsxp.general:
>>>
>>>> There was one post by a computer repair shop owner who stated he
>>>> has fixed hundreds of computers that were damaged by the owner
>>>> running a registry cleaner.
>>>
>>> OK, that's one (rumored) post by one anonymous yahoo who we have no
>>> reason to believe, cited by another anonymous yahoo who we have no
>>> reason to believe. Where are the rest of the "hundreds of posts" you
>>> claim to exist? I'll accept even ONE hundred.
>>>
>>> Be informed not opinionated.
 
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ichase@thepostoffice.co.uk

Flightless Bird
On Thu, 8 Jul 2010 08:09:35 -0700, just as I was about to take a herb,
Barbara <Barbara@discussions.microsoft.com> disturbed my reverie and
wrote:

> The registry on the computer needs to be cleaned. Most
>of the errors I am getting are related to registry problems. I am not
>computer knowledgeable to clean the registry manually.

If you can make that diagnosis, you CAN clean the registry manually.
If you are as noobie as you say, you could not tell what it wrong.
 
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Twayne

Flightless Bird
In news:sf4346pepffnhhlafekeq2b2ovictqo0mk@4ax.com,
ichase@thepostoffice.co.uk <ichase@thepostoffice.co.uk> typed:
> On Thu, 8 Jul 2010 08:09:35 -0700, just as I was about to
> take a herb, Barbara <Barbara@discussions.microsoft.com>
> disturbed my reverie and wrote:
>
>> The registry on the computer needs to be cleaned. Most
>> of the errors I am getting are related to registry
>> problems. I am not computer knowledgeable to clean the
>> registry manually.

Exactly what is the wording of the errors you are getting? It may not have
anything to do with the registry at all and in most cases doesn't. Error
messages are often completely misleading to the uninitiated.
If you really want to clean out the registry, find and
download/update/run ccleaner.exe. It's available from many places on the
'net.

HTH,

Twayne`




> If you can make that diagnosis, you CAN clean the registry
> manually. If you are as noobie as you say, you could not
> tell what it wrong.
 
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