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M

milt

Flightless Bird
On 7/9/2010 7:07 PM, Twayne wrote:
> A condescengingly ignorant and misinformationist reply to a legitimate
> question posed by a legitimate user. Ol' Brucey here respects little but
> himself. Just ignore.
>


Actually, I'm starting to think YOU are the one that needs to be
ignored. They gave a perfectly legit answer with REAL info. all you are
doing is trying to shoot it down without telling this person how to fix
their issue. Then again, you act like cleaning the registry is needed
when there is tons of evidence to the contrary.
 
B

Bill in Co

Flightless Bird
milt wrote:
> On 7/9/2010 7:07 PM, Twayne wrote:
>> A condescengingly ignorant and misinformationist reply to a legitimate
>> question posed by a legitimate user. Ol' Brucey here respects little but
>> himself. Just ignore.
>>

>
> Actually, I'm starting to think YOU are the one that needs to be
> ignored. They gave a perfectly legit answer with REAL info. all you are
> doing is trying to shoot it down without telling this person how to fix
> their issue. Then again, you act like cleaning the registry is needed
> when there is tons of evidence to the contrary.


I think Twayne feels it's needed - just like an oil change for your car.
Now you wouldn't drive a car 20,000 miles without an oil change, would you?
:)
 
B

Bill in Co

Flightless Bird
milt wrote:
> On 7/9/2010 7:01 PM, Twayne wrote:
>> In news:uSlFHcwHLHA.5700@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl,
>> Bruce Chambers<bchambers@cable0ne.n3t> typed:
>>> Peter wrote:
>>>>
>>>> You can try CCleaner at http://www.ccleaner.com/ Be sure
>>>> and make a back up before fixing anything and run it THREE
>>>> times to catch everything.
>>>
>>>
>>> CCleaner's only strength, and the only reason anyone
>>> should use it, lies in its usefulness for cleaning up
>>> unused temporary files from the hard drive. It differs
>>> from the native Windows tool in that it allows more
>>> granular control and you can specify which folders you want
>>> scanned. For instance, WinXP's disk cleaner will examine
>>> only the profile folders of the user who is running the
>>> utility. On a single-user machine, this is fine, but on a
>>> family or other mult-use machine, the ability to clean
>>> temorary files from all of the user profiles at once is a
>>> great time saver.
>>> It's registry cleaner, however, is worthless. I've
>>> tested the most recent recent version (with all updates)
>>> version on a brand-new OS installation with no additional
>>> applications installed, and certainly none installed and
>>> then uninstalled, and CCleaner still managed to "find" over
>>> a hundred allegedly orphaned registry entries and dozens of
>>> purportedly "suspicious" files, making it clearly a
>>> *worthless* product, in this regard. (Not that any
>>> registry cleaner can ever be anything but worthless, as
>>> they don't serve any *useful* purpose, to start with.)

>>
>> Neat; a product provides you with information about the contents of your
>> registry, so you call it worthless. Now there's a piece of real advice!!
>> Yup, you sure proved it here, didn't you? lol, so pathetic!
>>
>>

>
> Yeah it provided him FALSE information! How could there be tons of
> registry problems with a freshly installed system?


He has already said that it was due to their own misuse - ALL of them.
(Only gifted people are able to use them "properly", as he can. Everybody
else reporting such problems are clueless, and need his enlightenment. :).

> Are you a shill for some company that makes registry cleaners?


That has never been acknowledged, as far as I can recall..
Then again, judging by all his past comments, he clearly doesn't have the
technical expertise to write such code, so the answer is evidently "no".
 
B

Bill in Co

Flightless Bird
milt wrote:
> On 7/8/2010 10:09 AM, Barbara wrote:
>> Unable to find any specific category for a registry question so am
>> posting
>> the question here. The registry on the computer needs to be cleaned.
>> Most
>> of the errors I am getting are related to registry problems. I am not
>> computer knowledgeable to clean the registry manually. I wonder if
>> someone
>> could suggest a good, reliable and trustworthy registry cleaner software
>> and that would not be too expensive. Thanks!

>
> No, your registry does NOT need to be cleaned, where did you get this
> idea from? Your registry NEVER needs to be cleaned, compacted or messed
> with in ANY way. To do so risks making your computer unbootable


True enough, in the worst case scenario.
(But usually it's not quite that bad, but problems can and DO show up later,
with certain programs having issues, or windows itself having some issuesor
glitches. And by then it's too late to know what registry extraction
specifically caused it!).

> and has ZERO benefits.


Agreed - for the most part, and with very few exceptions (those in the hands
of someone doing some *manual* edits (in regedit), for some very specific
desired modification).
 
A

a

Flightless Bird
"Twayne" <nobody@devnull.spamcop.net> wrote in message news:i18da8$7ms$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> In news:4c37154d$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au,
> a <b@invalid.com> typed:
>> "Bruce Chambers" <bchambers@cable0ne.n3t> wrote
>>
>>> It's registry cleaner, however, is worthless. I've
>>> tested the most recent recent version (with all updates)
>>> version on a brand-new OS installation with no additional
>>> applications installed, and certainly none installed and
>>> then uninstalled, and CCleaner still managed to "find"
>>> over a hundred allegedly orphaned registry entries and
>>> dozens of purportedly "suspicious" files, making it
>>> clearly a *worthless* product, in this regard.

>>
>> Interesting! My Dad swears by CCleaner, even though I've
>> told him it's just a placebo.

>
> Clearly your Dad is smarter than you are. And more realistic and i'll bet a much more open mind also.


If CCleaner can find "suspicious" files on a clean Windows install,
then how is that not a placebo effect? And you know what they say
above having an open mind... it lets your brain fall out.
 
E

Eddie

Flightless Bird
PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
> If you ever think your Registry needs to be cleaned, repaired, boosted,
> tuned-up, cured, tweaked, fixed, or optimized (it doesn't), read
> http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?t=28099 and draw your own conclusions.



Hi Pa,

I have followed and respected your replies to posts for years, and also
your affiliation toward ms products.

I do have a question though regarding this thread, but first, an excerpt
from the link you posted re: O/P.
------\/

"Microsoft has a freebie online program at
http://onecare.live.com/site/en-us/default.htm. Being the Godfather's
program it should be safe....theoretically. It didn't do me any harm.
I strongly recommend that you, or anyone else, avoid using the onecare
registry cleaner

Here's why:

The onecare cleaner offers no chance to backup what is removed and
whatever it removes is gone, forever. Should it mistakenly remove a key
or value needed by your operating system or software it's gone along
with your program or operating system. I've seen onecare's registry
cleaner completely hose systems."
------

My question is: WHY did Bill/Micro allow this program to be written in
the first place? Why are ppl saying to Avoid it at all costs? (yet it is
written by M/S)
Lastly, and again, .. why did micro put it out there for all to see
Knowing Full Well that NO registry cleaner works at all.. and especially
considering each persons computer is different due to d/loads and
software and blah blah.

Dunno Pa, registry stuff is all too confusing when it comes to cleaners,
especially considering ms put one out too. (I would never consider using
one myself,; but for ppl not-in-the-know, and not knowing that n/g's
exist, I offer my heart-felt sympathy to them.)(also, yes, ccleaner is
mickey-mouse at doing other stuff, its the bees knees as far as I'm
concerned... not to mention you can at Least see reg' stuff that it
thinks is an issue; this too can be helpful.)

What do you reckon?

Ed
 
P

PA Bear [MS MVP]

Flightless Bird
Eddie wrote:
> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
>> If you ever think your Registry needs to be cleaned, repaired, boosted,
>> tuned-up, cured, tweaked, fixed, or optimized (it doesn't), read
>> http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?t=28099 and draw your own conclusions.

>
>
> Hi [PA],
>
> I have followed and respected your replies to posts for years, and also
> your affiliation toward ms products.
>
> I do have a question though regarding this thread, but first, an excerpt
> from the link you posted re: O/P.
> ------\/
>
> "Microsoft has a freebie online program at
> http://onecare.live.com/site/en-us/default.htm. Being the Godfather's
> program it should be safe....theoretically. It didn't do me any harm.
> I strongly recommend that you, or anyone else, avoid using the onecare
> registry cleaner
>
> Here's why:
>
> The onecare cleaner offers no chance to backup what is removed and
> whatever it removes is gone, forever. Should it mistakenly remove a key
> or value needed by your operating system or software it's gone along
> with your program or operating system. I've seen onecare's registry
> cleaner completely hose systems."
> ------
>
> My question is: WHY did Bill/Micro allow this program to be written in
> the first place? Why are ppl saying to Avoid it at all costs? (yet it is
> written by M/S)
> Lastly, and again, .. why did micro put it out there for all to see
> Knowing Full Well that NO registry cleaner works at all.. and especially
> considering each persons computer is different due to d/loads and
> software and blah blah.

<snip>
> What do you reckon?


A very sore subject! I reckon that many longtime MVPs are Microsoft's most
vocal critics (vs. newer MVPs who are basically "MS Enthusiasts;" e.g., the
obnoxious Win7 Launch Parties).

I can't think of one Windows MVP who didn't take MS to task for misguidedly
including a "Registry cleaner" in OneCare when beta testing began in 2006.
(Four years later and we're still griping about it so if you think MVPs have
much "pull" these days, think again.)

The Windows Live OneCare Safety Center's
(http://onecare.live.com/site/en-us/default.htm) "Clean up" scan is MS's
online "Registry cleaner," and it's included when you run the Full Service
scan. Even while the applications were in beta, this started causing
problems (i.e., stuff was "cleaned" that shouldn't have been), so much so
that Support had to make this page available, primarily due to MVP
pressure): http://boards.msn.com/safetyboards/thread.aspx?ThreadID=4868

While OneCare itself has been discontinued (cf.
http://onecare.live.com/standard/en-us/activation/oc_eol_guidance.htm), the
online scans remain available and haven't been changed at all.

The The Windows Live OneCare Safety Center's online scan for Vista/Win7 is
the Full Service scan only (i.e., you can't just run the Protection scan)
and continues to cause problems for users; cf.
http://onecare.live.com/site/en-us/center/whatsnew.htm.

Even Mark Russinovich (Technical Fellow in the MS Platform and Services
Division) criticized the use of Registry cleaners back in 2005:
http://blogs.technet.com/b/markruss.../02/registry-junk-a-windows-fact-of-life.aspx

Again, a very sore subject!
 
N

Nil

Flightless Bird
On 10 Jul 2010, "a" <b@invalid.com> wrote in
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general:

> If CCleaner can find "suspicious" files on a clean Windows
> install, then how is that not a placebo effect? And you know what
> they say above having an open mind... it lets your brain fall out.


First of all, where are you seeing Ccleaner report "suspicious" files?
I've never seen it use that phrase, and the program isn't designed to
look for them. Are you sure you saw what you think you saw?

How about you tell us what those supposedly "suspicious" files are? If
you can't do that, there's no way we can say whether Ccleaner has found
anything legitimate or not. They could be cookies or temporary files,
which are all good candidates for removal.
 
P

Peter

Flightless Bird
On 07/08/2010 05:50 PM, Spamlet wrote:
> "Peter"<nospam@nospam.com.invalid> wrote in message
> news:i14qje$5f9$2@speranza.aioe.org...
>> On 07/08/2010 05:09 PM, Barbara wrote:
>>> Unable to find any specific category for a registry question so am
>>> posting
>>> the question here. The registry on the computer needs to be cleaned.
>>> Most
>>> of the errors I am getting are related to registry problems. I am not
>>> computer knowledgeable to clean the registry manually. I wonder if
>>> someone
>>> could suggest a good, reliable and trustworthy registry cleaner software
>>> and
>>> that would not be too expensive. Thanks!

>>
>> You can try CCleaner at http://www.ccleaner.com/ Be sure and make a back
>> up before fixing anything and run it THREE times to catch everything.
>>
>> --
>> Peter

>
> Most of the 'errors' picked up in CCleaner's registry ap are just links to
> things like Google Earth, that only resolve when you are online at their
> site. You have to have a good knowledge of what is and has been on your
> computer, and how each prog works, before you can decide whether an 'error'
> is real. By and large it is better just to use this to help you find
> suspect entries than to try and 'clean' with it.
>
> There are oodles of warnings about registry cleaners in these columns.
>
> S
>
>


I can see you have never used the Registry feature of Crap Cleaner but
that doesn't stop you from posting about it as if you were an expert.
Why? You can untick all or some of the entries found. For example, if
you're trying to uninstall *everything* McAfee or Norton that was
preinstalled on a computer like Acer, HP or Dell, you can use the
registry cleaner to find any entries missed and nuke them. I am not
advocating nuking everything Crap Cleaner finds but for things like the
above, it's quite useful.

--
Peter
 
P

Peter

Flightless Bird
On 07/09/2010 03:35 AM, Bruce Chambers wrote:
> Peter wrote:
>>
>> You can try CCleaner at http://www.ccleaner.com/ Be sure and make a
>> back up before fixing anything and run it THREE times to catch
>> everything.
>>

>
>
> CCleaner's only strength, and the only reason anyone should use it, lies
> in its usefulness for cleaning up unused temporary files from the hard
> drive. It differs from the native Windows tool in that it allows more
> granular control and you can specify which folders you want scanned. For
> instance, WinXP's disk cleaner will examine only the profile folders of
> the user who is running the utility. On a single-user machine, this is
> fine, but on a family or other mult-use machine, the ability to clean
> temorary files from all of the user profiles at once is a great time saver.
>
> It's registry cleaner, however, is worthless. I've tested the most
> recent recent version (with all updates) version on a brand-new OS
> installation with no additional applications installed, and certainly
> none installed and then uninstalled, and CCleaner still managed to
> "find" over a hundred allegedly orphaned registry entries and dozens of
> purportedly "suspicious" files, making it clearly a *worthless* product,
> in this regard. (Not that any registry cleaner can ever be anything but
> worthless, as they don't serve any *useful* purpose, to start with.)
>
>
>


See my reply to Spamlet.

--
Peter
 
N

News123

Flightless Bird
Hi PA Bear,

PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
>
>
> Even Mark Russinovich (Technical Fellow in the MS Platform and Services
> Division) criticized the use of Registry cleaners back in 2005:
> http://blogs.technet.com/b/markruss.../02/registry-junk-a-windows-fact-of-life.aspx
>
>
> Again, a very sore subject!


I personally don't think a lot about registry cleaners I have the
imperssion, they are more trouble than help.

However Mark Russinivich's blog does not really criticize Registry
cleaners, at least not the sections, that I read in the link you posted.

Mainly he confirms, that the Registry gets dirty over time and explains why.

Perhaps I'm havving problems with my English, but I have difficulties
understanding the first paragraph.

Mark Russinovich wrote in his blog: (first paragraph only):
> Registry cleaners have always been popular, but I never paid much
> attention to them. I originally thought that there might be valid
> reasons for their existence, but over time changed my mind, only to
> recently recognize that even today they can help maintain Registry
> hygiene.



- he says he never cared about cleaners
- then he says Cleaners might perhaps be useful
- then he says he changed his mind
- then he says they can help to mainain Registry Hygiene

I lack the big change of mind and especially the criticism, that you
mention.


Whatever I wouldn't waste time on cleaning the registry
I mostly clean the registry every few years by
erasing or replacing my HD and reinstalling evertyhing from scrach. ;-)
 
P

Peter

Flightless Bird
On 07/10/2010 06:50 PM, News123 wrote:

>
> Whatever I wouldn't waste time on cleaning the registry
> I mostly clean the registry every few years by
> erasing or replacing my HD and reinstalling evertyhing from scrach. ;-)
>


That'll do it :)

--
Peter
 
U

Unknown

Flightless Bird
But, there is absolutely no reason to nuke them so, it is far better NOT to
use, as you call it, 'Crap Cleaner'
and avoid possibly rendering you system useless..
"Peter" <nospam@nospam.com.invalid> wrote in message
news:i1a6se$cfl$1@speranza.aioe.org...
> On 07/08/2010 05:50 PM, Spamlet wrote:
>> "Peter"<nospam@nospam.com.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:i14qje$5f9$2@speranza.aioe.org...
>>> On 07/08/2010 05:09 PM, Barbara wrote:
>>>> Unable to find any specific category for a registry question so am
>>>> posting
>>>> the question here. The registry on the computer needs to be cleaned.
>>>> Most
>>>> of the errors I am getting are related to registry problems. I am not
>>>> computer knowledgeable to clean the registry manually. I wonder if
>>>> someone
>>>> could suggest a good, reliable and trustworthy registry cleaner
>>>> software
>>>> and
>>>> that would not be too expensive. Thanks!
>>>
>>> You can try CCleaner at http://www.ccleaner.com/ Be sure and make a back
>>> up before fixing anything and run it THREE times to catch everything.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Peter

>>
>> Most of the 'errors' picked up in CCleaner's registry ap are just links
>> to
>> things like Google Earth, that only resolve when you are online at their
>> site. You have to have a good knowledge of what is and has been on your
>> computer, and how each prog works, before you can decide whether an
>> 'error'
>> is real. By and large it is better just to use this to help you find
>> suspect entries than to try and 'clean' with it.
>>
>> There are oodles of warnings about registry cleaners in these columns.
>>
>> S
>>
>>

>
> I can see you have never used the Registry feature of Crap Cleaner but
> that doesn't stop you from posting about it as if you were an expert. Why?
> You can untick all or some of the entries found. For example, if you're
> trying to uninstall *everything* McAfee or Norton that was preinstalled on
> a computer like Acer, HP or Dell, you can use the registry cleaner to find
> any entries missed and nuke them. I am not advocating nuking everything
> Crap Cleaner finds but for things like the above, it's quite useful.
>
> --
> Peter
 
B

Bill in Co

Flightless Bird
Peter wrote:
> On 07/08/2010 05:50 PM, Spamlet wrote:
>> "Peter"<nospam@nospam.com.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:i14qje$5f9$2@speranza.aioe.org...
>>> On 07/08/2010 05:09 PM, Barbara wrote:
>>>> Unable to find any specific category for a registry question so am
>>>> posting
>>>> the question here. The registry on the computer needs to be cleaned.
>>>> Most
>>>> of the errors I am getting are related to registry problems. I am not
>>>> computer knowledgeable to clean the registry manually. I wonder if
>>>> someone
>>>> could suggest a good, reliable and trustworthy registry cleaner
>>>> software
>>>> and
>>>> that would not be too expensive. Thanks!
>>>
>>> You can try CCleaner at http://www.ccleaner.com/ Be sure and make a back
>>> up before fixing anything and run it THREE times to catch everything.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Peter

>>
>> Most of the 'errors' picked up in CCleaner's registry ap are just links
>> to
>> things like Google Earth, that only resolve when you are online at their
>> site. You have to have a good knowledge of what is and has been on your
>> computer, and how each prog works, before you can decide whether an
>> 'error'
>> is real. By and large it is better just to use this to help you find
>> suspect entries than to try and 'clean' with it.
>>
>> There are oodles of warnings about registry cleaners in these columns.
>>
>> S
>>
>>

>
> I can see you have never used the Registry feature of Crap Cleaner but
> that doesn't stop you from posting about it as if you were an expert.
> Why? You can untick all or some of the entries found. For example, if
> you're trying to uninstall *everything* McAfee or Norton that was
> preinstalled on a computer like Acer, HP or Dell, you can use the
> registry cleaner to find any entries missed and nuke them.


But that's a very specific and very limited use of a registry cleaner, and
was not what was generally being talked about in here. (I could say the
same about removing items from the Recent Documents list).
 
B

Bill in Co

Flightless Bird
Granted, with one possible exception:
If someone is trying to clean reinstall an app, and the system reports it's
already installed and balks at the attempt, it is possible that by removing
some specific registry entries (left over from the previous uninstall), it
may allow that to take place.

Unknown wrote:
> But, there is absolutely no reason to nuke them so, it is far better NOT
> to
> use, as you call it, 'Crap Cleaner'
> and avoid possibly rendering you system useless..
> "Peter" <nospam@nospam.com.invalid> wrote in message
> news:i1a6se$cfl$1@speranza.aioe.org...
>> On 07/08/2010 05:50 PM, Spamlet wrote:
>>> "Peter"<nospam@nospam.com.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:i14qje$5f9$2@speranza.aioe.org...
>>>> On 07/08/2010 05:09 PM, Barbara wrote:
>>>>> Unable to find any specific category for a registry question so am
>>>>> posting
>>>>> the question here. The registry on the computer needs to be cleaned.
>>>>> Most
>>>>> of the errors I am getting are related to registry problems. I am not
>>>>> computer knowledgeable to clean the registry manually. I wonder if
>>>>> someone
>>>>> could suggest a good, reliable and trustworthy registry cleaner
>>>>> software
>>>>> and
>>>>> that would not be too expensive. Thanks!
>>>>
>>>> You can try CCleaner at http://www.ccleaner.com/ Be sure and make a
>>>> back
>>>> up before fixing anything and run it THREE times to catch everything.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Peter
>>>
>>> Most of the 'errors' picked up in CCleaner's registry ap are just links
>>> to
>>> things like Google Earth, that only resolve when you are online at their
>>> site. You have to have a good knowledge of what is and has been on your
>>> computer, and how each prog works, before you can decide whether an
>>> 'error'
>>> is real. By and large it is better just to use this to help you find
>>> suspect entries than to try and 'clean' with it.
>>>
>>> There are oodles of warnings about registry cleaners in these columns.
>>>
>>> S
>>>
>>>

>>
>> I can see you have never used the Registry feature of Crap Cleaner but
>> that doesn't stop you from posting about it as if you were an expert.
>> Why?
>> You can untick all or some of the entries found. For example, if you're
>> trying to uninstall *everything* McAfee or Norton that was preinstalled
>> on
>> a computer like Acer, HP or Dell, you can use the registry cleaner to
>> find
>> any entries missed and nuke them. I am not advocating nuking everything
>> Crap Cleaner finds but for things like the above, it's quite useful.
>>
>> --
>> Peter
 
P

Peter

Flightless Bird
On 07/10/2010 07:31 PM, Unknown wrote:
> But, there is absolutely no reason to nuke them so, it is far better NOT to
> use, as you call it, 'Crap Cleaner'


That's the original name of the program and I still use the name.

> and avoid possibly rendering you system useless..


I haven't had that problem ever and I've been using the program on
dozens of machines and know of a friend who's used it on hundreds of
machines for years. Have you got any proof that Crap Cleaner will render
a computer useless? I didn't think so.

> "Peter"<nospam@nospam.com.invalid> wrote in message
> news:i1a6se$cfl$1@speranza.aioe.org...
>> On 07/08/2010 05:50 PM, Spamlet wrote:
>>> "Peter"<nospam@nospam.com.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:i14qje$5f9$2@speranza.aioe.org...
>>>> On 07/08/2010 05:09 PM, Barbara wrote:
>>>>> Unable to find any specific category for a registry question so am
>>>>> posting
>>>>> the question here. The registry on the computer needs to be cleaned.
>>>>> Most
>>>>> of the errors I am getting are related to registry problems. I am not
>>>>> computer knowledgeable to clean the registry manually. I wonder if
>>>>> someone
>>>>> could suggest a good, reliable and trustworthy registry cleaner
>>>>> software
>>>>> and
>>>>> that would not be too expensive. Thanks!
>>>>
>>>> You can try CCleaner at http://www.ccleaner.com/ Be sure and make a back
>>>> up before fixing anything and run it THREE times to catch everything.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Peter
>>>
>>> Most of the 'errors' picked up in CCleaner's registry ap are just links
>>> to
>>> things like Google Earth, that only resolve when you are online at their
>>> site. You have to have a good knowledge of what is and has been on your
>>> computer, and how each prog works, before you can decide whether an
>>> 'error'
>>> is real. By and large it is better just to use this to help you find
>>> suspect entries than to try and 'clean' with it.
>>>
>>> There are oodles of warnings about registry cleaners in these columns.
>>>
>>> S
>>>
>>>

>>
>> I can see you have never used the Registry feature of Crap Cleaner but
>> that doesn't stop you from posting about it as if you were an expert. Why?
>> You can untick all or some of the entries found. For example, if you're
>> trying to uninstall *everything* McAfee or Norton that was preinstalled on
>> a computer like Acer, HP or Dell, you can use the registry cleaner to find
>> any entries missed and nuke them. I am not advocating nuking everything
>> Crap Cleaner finds but for things like the above, it's quite useful.
>>
>> --
>> Peter

>
>



--
Peter
 
B

Bruce Chambers

Flightless Bird
Bill in Co wrote:
> Granted, with one possible exception:
> If someone is trying to clean reinstall an app, and the system reports it's
> already installed and balks at the attempt, it is possible that by removing
> some specific registry entries (left over from the previous uninstall), it
> may allow that to take place.
>



It's true that sometimes -- very rarely, in my experience -- an
uninstalled application can leave behind registry entries that interfere
with the re-installation of that application. However this is easily
remedied in minutes by using Regedit's own "Find" capability and
manually deleting those troublesome entries. Further doing it this way,
besides being safer, is much faster than downloading and installing a
registry cleaner, waiting for it to complete its scan, and then having
to sort through potentially hundreds of bogus error reports to find the
one or two (well, maybe several, in some cases) troublesome entries that
actually need to go.


--

Bruce Chambers

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B

Bruce Chambers

Flightless Bird
Peter wrote:
> On 07/09/2010 03:35 AM, Bruce Chambers wrote:
>> Peter wrote:
>>>
>>> You can try CCleaner at http://www.ccleaner.com/ Be sure and make a
>>> back up before fixing anything and run it THREE times to catch
>>> everything.
>>>

>>
>>
>> CCleaner's only strength, and the only reason anyone should use it, lies
>> in its usefulness for cleaning up unused temporary files from the hard
>> drive. It differs from the native Windows tool in that it allows more
>> granular control and you can specify which folders you want scanned. For
>> instance, WinXP's disk cleaner will examine only the profile folders of
>> the user who is running the utility. On a single-user machine, this is
>> fine, but on a family or other mult-use machine, the ability to clean
>> temorary files from all of the user profiles at once is a great time
>> saver.
>>
>> It's registry cleaner, however, is worthless. I've tested the most
>> recent recent version (with all updates) version on a brand-new OS
>> installation with no additional applications installed, and certainly
>> none installed and then uninstalled, and CCleaner still managed to
>> "find" over a hundred allegedly orphaned registry entries and dozens of
>> purportedly "suspicious" files, making it clearly a *worthless* product,
>> in this regard. (Not that any registry cleaner can ever be anything but
>> worthless, as they don't serve any *useful* purpose, to start with.)
>>
>>
>>

>
> See my reply to Spamlet.
>



Yes, I already saw it. Regedit's own "Find" feature is much faster and
safer. And yes, I've tested CCleaner. Had you actually read my post,
you'd have known that.


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Unknown

Flightless Bird
Any registry cleaner MAY do just that. You are fortunate it hasn't happened
to you.
Regardless, registry cleaners have no useful purpose whatsoever. That being
the case and
the many people who DID have a bad experience with a reg cleaner it is best
NOT to use them.

"Peter" <nospam@nospam.com.invalid> wrote in message
news:i1addp$mq7$1@speranza.aioe.org...
> On 07/10/2010 07:31 PM, Unknown wrote:
>> But, there is absolutely no reason to nuke them so, it is far better NOT
>> to
>> use, as you call it, 'Crap Cleaner'

>
> That's the original name of the program and I still use the name.
>
>> and avoid possibly rendering you system useless..

>
> I haven't had that problem ever and I've been using the program on dozens
> of machines and know of a friend who's used it on hundreds of machines for
> years. Have you got any proof that Crap Cleaner will render a computer
> useless? I didn't think so.
>
>> "Peter"<nospam@nospam.com.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:i1a6se$cfl$1@speranza.aioe.org...
>>> On 07/08/2010 05:50 PM, Spamlet wrote:
>>>> "Peter"<nospam@nospam.com.invalid> wrote in message
>>>> news:i14qje$5f9$2@speranza.aioe.org...
>>>>> On 07/08/2010 05:09 PM, Barbara wrote:
>>>>>> Unable to find any specific category for a registry question so am
>>>>>> posting
>>>>>> the question here. The registry on the computer needs to be cleaned.
>>>>>> Most
>>>>>> of the errors I am getting are related to registry problems. I am
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> computer knowledgeable to clean the registry manually. I wonder if
>>>>>> someone
>>>>>> could suggest a good, reliable and trustworthy registry cleaner
>>>>>> software
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> that would not be too expensive. Thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>> You can try CCleaner at http://www.ccleaner.com/ Be sure and make a
>>>>> back
>>>>> up before fixing anything and run it THREE times to catch everything.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Peter
>>>>
>>>> Most of the 'errors' picked up in CCleaner's registry ap are just links
>>>> to
>>>> things like Google Earth, that only resolve when you are online at
>>>> their
>>>> site. You have to have a good knowledge of what is and has been on
>>>> your
>>>> computer, and how each prog works, before you can decide whether an
>>>> 'error'
>>>> is real. By and large it is better just to use this to help you find
>>>> suspect entries than to try and 'clean' with it.
>>>>
>>>> There are oodles of warnings about registry cleaners in these columns.
>>>>
>>>> S
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> I can see you have never used the Registry feature of Crap Cleaner but
>>> that doesn't stop you from posting about it as if you were an expert.
>>> Why?
>>> You can untick all or some of the entries found. For example, if you're
>>> trying to uninstall *everything* McAfee or Norton that was preinstalled
>>> on
>>> a computer like Acer, HP or Dell, you can use the registry cleaner to
>>> find
>>> any entries missed and nuke them. I am not advocating nuking everything
>>> Crap Cleaner finds but for things like the above, it's quite useful.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Peter

>>
>>

>
>
> --
> Peter
 
U

Unknown

Flightless Bird
PS What benefits have you gained by running a registry cleaner?
"Peter" <nospam@nospam.com.invalid> wrote in message
news:i1addp$mq7$1@speranza.aioe.org...
> On 07/10/2010 07:31 PM, Unknown wrote:
>> But, there is absolutely no reason to nuke them so, it is far better NOT
>> to
>> use, as you call it, 'Crap Cleaner'

>
> That's the original name of the program and I still use the name.
>
>> and avoid possibly rendering you system useless..

>
> I haven't had that problem ever and I've been using the program on dozens
> of machines and know of a friend who's used it on hundreds of machines for
> years. Have you got any proof that Crap Cleaner will render a computer
> useless? I didn't think so.
>
>> "Peter"<nospam@nospam.com.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:i1a6se$cfl$1@speranza.aioe.org...
>>> On 07/08/2010 05:50 PM, Spamlet wrote:
>>>> "Peter"<nospam@nospam.com.invalid> wrote in message
>>>> news:i14qje$5f9$2@speranza.aioe.org...
>>>>> On 07/08/2010 05:09 PM, Barbara wrote:
>>>>>> Unable to find any specific category for a registry question so am
>>>>>> posting
>>>>>> the question here. The registry on the computer needs to be cleaned.
>>>>>> Most
>>>>>> of the errors I am getting are related to registry problems. I am
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> computer knowledgeable to clean the registry manually. I wonder if
>>>>>> someone
>>>>>> could suggest a good, reliable and trustworthy registry cleaner
>>>>>> software
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> that would not be too expensive. Thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>> You can try CCleaner at http://www.ccleaner.com/ Be sure and make a
>>>>> back
>>>>> up before fixing anything and run it THREE times to catch everything.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Peter
>>>>
>>>> Most of the 'errors' picked up in CCleaner's registry ap are just links
>>>> to
>>>> things like Google Earth, that only resolve when you are online at
>>>> their
>>>> site. You have to have a good knowledge of what is and has been on
>>>> your
>>>> computer, and how each prog works, before you can decide whether an
>>>> 'error'
>>>> is real. By and large it is better just to use this to help you find
>>>> suspect entries than to try and 'clean' with it.
>>>>
>>>> There are oodles of warnings about registry cleaners in these columns.
>>>>
>>>> S
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> I can see you have never used the Registry feature of Crap Cleaner but
>>> that doesn't stop you from posting about it as if you were an expert.
>>> Why?
>>> You can untick all or some of the entries found. For example, if you're
>>> trying to uninstall *everything* McAfee or Norton that was preinstalled
>>> on
>>> a computer like Acer, HP or Dell, you can use the registry cleaner to
>>> find
>>> any entries missed and nuke them. I am not advocating nuking everything
>>> Crap Cleaner finds but for things like the above, it's quite useful.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Peter

>>
>>

>
>
> --
> Peter
 
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