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Re: Windows 7 NG?

Discussion in 'Windows XP' started by Peter Taylor, Jul 31, 2010.

  1. Peter Taylor

    Peter Taylor Flightless Bird

    On 7/31/2010 6:47 PM, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
    > I'm looking, but cannot find an NG for Windows 7.
    >
    > Gotta be one, right?
    >
    > But where?


    alt.windows7.general

    Microsoft is discontinuing all their newsgroups in favor of web forums.

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    Peter Taylor
     
  2. Alias

    Alias Flightless Bird

    On 08/01/2010 01:58 AM, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
    > Per Peter Taylor:
    >> Microsoft is discontinuing all their newsgroups in favor of web forums.

    >
    > Are these the same guys that designed the Windows 7 UI?.... -)


    No, the people who did this are in the control freak department.

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    Alias
     
  3. Alias

    Alias Flightless Bird

    On 08/01/2010 03:55 PM, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
    > Per Alias:
    >> On 08/01/2010 01:58 AM, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
    >>> Per Peter Taylor:
    >>>> Microsoft is discontinuing all their newsgroups in favor of web forums.
    >>>
    >>> Are these the same guys that designed the Windows 7 UI?.... -)

    >>
    >> No, the people who did this are in the control freak department.

    >
    > But I bet both departments are under the Gratuitous Changes With
    > No Added Functionality But Much Added Inconvenience division....
    >
    > I'm no technophobe and I'd say that Windows 7 has gotten to a
    > degree of arcane-ness that's approaching Linux.
    >
    > If somebody has XP down cold, they should not have to spend time
    > trying to figure how to perform functions that they have
    > programmed into their lower brain stem along with how to tie
    > one's shoelaces.
    >
    > Seems like when MS is crafting a new OS/UI, there should be a
    > committee or something that developers have to go before to
    > justify any deviation from the prior OS' UI.


    I don't find Win 7 to be all that much different than XP. New eye candy
    and some changes as to where things are but basically same old same old
    Windows. The "aero" seems like a poor imitation of Compiz, though :)

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    Alias
     
  4. ctowers

    ctowers Flightless Bird

    (PeteCresswell) wrote:
    >
    > If somebody has XP down cold, they should not have to spend time
    > trying to figure how to perform functions that they have
    > programmed into their lower brain stem along with how to tie
    > one's shoelaces.
    >
    > Seems like when MS is crafting a new OS/UI, there should be a
    > committee or something that developers have to go before to
    > justify any deviation from the prior OS' UI.



    +1
     
  5. Alias

    Alias Flightless Bird

    On 08/01/2010 07:45 PM, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
    > Per Alias:
    >> I don't find Win 7 to be all that much different than XP. New eye candy
    >> and some changes as to where things are but basically same old same old
    >> Windows. The "aero" seems like a poor imitation of Compiz, though :)

    >
    > You didn't have any problem with the Control Panel and having to
    > drill down through all those arbitrary categories before finding
    > something that used tb right there on the screen?
    >
    > I finally found the "Small Icons".. or whatever they call it...
    > option. But until then.... geeze!


    XP has the same problem and the solution is similar.

    >
    > And even then, I'd like to hear their rationale for changing
    > "Add/Remove Programs" to "Programs and Features"..... Smacks of
    > techweenies to me.


    Agreed.

    >
    > I *still* haven't figured out how to do all of what I used to do
    > with a FolderWindow | Tools | Folder Options | View | Apply to
    > All Folders.


    Nor have I :)

    >
    > And if "Aero" means those pop-up thumbnails from TaskBar
    > MousOvers... that made me crazy until I found TaskBarTweaker.
    > It's also quite confusing to a new user.


    I like that feature but I've been using it in Linux for years.

    > Maybe I'm just getting old and crabby......


    Then cheer up. You're still alive ...

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    Alias
     
  6. Alias

    Alias Flightless Bird

    On 08/01/2010 11:43 PM, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
    > Per Alias:
    >>> I finally found the "Small Icons".. or whatever they call it...
    >>> option. But until then.... geeze!

    >>
    >> XP has the same problem and the solution is similar.

    >
    > That has not been my experience in, maybe, 20-30 XP installs.


    It has categories by default. You probably change it out of habit
    without thinking. I'm not in XP to check at the moment to check so I
    could be wrong. It wouldn't be the first time ;-)

    >
    > I have forgotten what Control Panel's view defaults to
    > (Thumbnails, Tiles, Icons, List, or Details.... probably one of
    > the icon-ish views) - but they are all the same in that they are
    > granular: i.e. there is no higher level that the user has to
    > drill down through... just a plain alphabetical presentation.
    >
    > If 7's default were Icons, it would save a lot of "WTF?!!!"s by
    > XP migrants.
    >
    > Stuff like this might sound nit-picking - and I would agree that
    > complaining about any single instance of UI change probably is
    > just that.
    >
    > But when you add up dozens and dozens of little differences added
    > for no apparent reason other than to be cool or to differentiate
    > the product, you get quite a significant hit on usability for a
    > person coming from the previous UI.
    >
    > Multiply that hit by 12,000-13,000 people working in a big
    > building and that's some serious time and money - for what?
    > Nothing, IMHO.


    I agree but what are you gonna do? I use Linux most of the time.

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    Alias
     
  7. Peter

    Peter Flightless Bird

    On 08/02/2010 02:03 AM, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
    > Per Alias:
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> I agree but what are you gonna do? I use Linux most of the time.

    >
    >
    > I dabbled in Linux for a few months trying to get a freebie
    > Tivo-On-Steroids app whose name I've forgotten (the bad memories
    > fade....) working reliably.
    >
    > Since then, I've tended to diss Linux - more, I think, bco the
    > nightmare of trying to get that app to work than anything else.
    >
    > Now, having built a few Windows systems for technophobes who only
    > want to browse web pages and do email, I'm coming around to the
    > suspicion that somebody who really knows that they are doing
    > Linux-wise (that's NOT me....) could set up a box for said
    > technophobes that would be just as reliable as a Windows box,
    > significantly easier on the user and, of course, cheaper.


    Not to mention no malware problems.

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    Peter
     
  8. Peter

    Peter Flightless Bird

    On 08/02/2010 04:46 PM, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
    > Per Peter:
    >>> technophobes that would be just as reliable as a Windows box,
    >>> significantly easier on the user and, of course, cheaper.

    >>
    >> Not to mention no malware problems.

    >
    > I hadn't thought about that.
    >
    > That's a significant consideration too.
    >
    > Even though I can set up a box with a freebie anti virus like
    > Avast, the time will come when the freebie license expires and
    > the user is confronted with a renewal dialog.
    >
    > In fact, I had one box totally hosed when the user chose "Ignore"
    > on one of Avast's virus warning screens.


    Avast doesn't do that anymore. One time registration is enough. That
    said, viruses aren't the only malware out there.

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    Peter
     
  9. Do Dah Zippity

    Do Dah Zippity Flightless Bird

    : Avast doesn't do that anymore. One time registration is enough. That
    : said, viruses aren't the only malware out there.

    Avast Free still requires annual renewal.
     
  10. Peter Taylor

    Peter Taylor Flightless Bird

    On 8/2/2010 5:37 PM, Do Dah Zippity wrote:
    > : Avast doesn't do that anymore. One time registration is enough. That
    > : said, viruses aren't the only malware out there.
    >
    > Avast Free still requires annual renewal.
    >
    >


    Hm, you're right. I could have sworn that I saw that was changed when I
    updated to 5.0.

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    Peter Taylor
     
  11. Peter Taylor

    Peter Taylor Flightless Bird

    On 8/2/2010 6:36 PM, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
    > Per Peter Taylor:
    >> Hm, you're right. I could have sworn that I saw that was changed when I
    >> updated to 5.0.

    >
    > What's changed is that you don't have to go through having them
    > email you the new registration code and paste it into the app.


    Now I remember!

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