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Re: Surprised!

S

Sunny

Flightless Bird
"Hot-text" <hot-text@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:2815D742-A531-4C8A-918D-336B7D22E3C5@microsoft.com...
>I hope that traffic for win 98 go up and win 98 always be open!
> I say I HOPE!


What part of "Microsoft is withdrawing from Usenet news groups" don't you
understand ?
If you need Microsoft "discussions" in future you will be forced to use
their Web based "forums"
One more time "-

Microsoft is withdrawing their NNTP server from Usenet.
 
T

Tim Meddick

Flightless Bird
Not entirely true....


Although microsoft IS discontinuing their newsgroups You CAN still access
the new Microsoft Forums on NNTP clients such as Outlook Express.


Here is a quote from one of their recent posts on this group :

"In addition to offering a compelling online browser experience, for
those
users who prefer to use an NNTP (newsgroup) reader to participate in the
newsgroups community, we have developed a solution called the NNTP
Bridge
which allows a user to connect a variety of supported NNTP readers to
the
forums they would like to participate in and continue having the NTTP
reader
functionality. You can find instructions on how to download and set up
the
NNTP Bridge here: http://connect.microsoft.com/MicrosoftForums/ "

(From post: "Final Reminder - Microsoft Responds to the Evolution of
Community" 28/05/10)

==

Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :)




"Sunny" <wombathouse@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:%23gsJ5lCCLHA.1888@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>
> "Hot-text" <hot-text@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:2815D742-A531-4C8A-918D-336B7D22E3C5@microsoft.com...
>>I hope that traffic for win 98 go up and win 98 always be open!
>> I say I HOPE!

>
> What part of "Microsoft is withdrawing from Usenet news groups" don't you
> understand ?
> If you need Microsoft "discussions" in future you will be forced to use
> their Web based "forums"
> One more time "-
>
> Microsoft is withdrawing their NNTP server from Usenet.
>
 
W

webster72n

Flightless Bird
"Tim Meddick" <timmeddick@o2.co.uk> wrote in message
news:#VLH3tCCLHA.1888@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Not entirely true....
>
>
> Although microsoft IS discontinuing their newsgroups You CAN still access
> the new Microsoft Forums on NNTP clients such as Outlook Express.
>
>
> Here is a quote from one of their recent posts on this group :
>
> "In addition to offering a compelling online browser experience, for
> those
> users who prefer to use an NNTP (newsgroup) reader to participate in the
> newsgroups community, we have developed a solution called the NNTP
> Bridge
> which allows a user to connect a variety of supported NNTP readers to
> the
> forums they would like to participate in and continue having the NTTP
> reader
> functionality. You can find instructions on how to download and set up
> the
> NNTP Bridge here: http://connect.microsoft.com/MicrosoftForums/ "
>
> (From post: "Final Reminder - Microsoft Responds to the Evolution of
> Community" 28/05/10)


I am beginning to see the whole picture now, since I never red the entire
notice from MS.
Thanks to every participant in this thread.
Maybe this is a forerunner to 'cloud computing'?

Harry.

>
> ==
>
> Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :)
>
>
>
>
> "Sunny" <wombathouse@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
> news:%23gsJ5lCCLHA.1888@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>
>> "Hot-text" <hot-text@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:2815D742-A531-4C8A-918D-336B7D22E3C5@microsoft.com...
>>>I hope that traffic for win 98 go up and win 98 always be open!
>>> I say I HOPE!

>>
>> What part of "Microsoft is withdrawing from Usenet news groups" don't you
>> understand ?
>> If you need Microsoft "discussions" in future you will be forced to use
>> their Web based "forums"
>> One more time "-
>>
>> Microsoft is withdrawing their NNTP server from Usenet.
>>

>
 
G

Greg Russell

Flightless Bird
In news:#gsJ5lCCLHA.1888@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl,
Sunny <wombathouse@yahoo.com.au> typed:

> What part of "Microsoft is withdrawing from Usenet news groups" don't
> you understand ?


The censorship aspect of it.

> If you need Microsoft "discussions" in future you will be forced to
> use their Web based "forums"


Bullshit, plain and simple.

Usenet will continue to be a vibrant disussion forum, including discussions
about M$ products. M$ can stick its head in the sand if it wants, but that
won't make Usenet any less effective.
 
P

Peter Foldes

Flightless Bird
Tim

Have you looked at the NNTP Bridge as per the link below. Most of us are using this
one since it is more versatile and it has 2 less steps to achieve the connection

http://communitybridge.codeplex.com/

--
Peter

Please Reply to Newsgroup for the benefit of others
Requests for assistance by email can not and will not be acknowledged.
http://www.microsoft.com/protect

"Tim Meddick" <timmeddick@o2.co.uk> wrote in message
news:%23VLH3tCCLHA.1888@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Not entirely true....
>
>
> Although microsoft IS discontinuing their newsgroups You CAN still access the new
> Microsoft Forums on NNTP clients such as Outlook Express.
>
>
> Here is a quote from one of their recent posts on this group :
>
> "In addition to offering a compelling online browser experience, for
> those
> users who prefer to use an NNTP (newsgroup) reader to participate in the
> newsgroups community, we have developed a solution called the NNTP
> Bridge
> which allows a user to connect a variety of supported NNTP readers to
> the
> forums they would like to participate in and continue having the NTTP
> reader
> functionality. You can find instructions on how to download and set up
> the
> NNTP Bridge here: http://connect.microsoft.com/MicrosoftForums/ "
>
> (From post: "Final Reminder - Microsoft Responds to the Evolution of Community"
> 28/05/10)
>
> ==
>
> Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :)
>
>
>
>
> "Sunny" <wombathouse@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
> news:%23gsJ5lCCLHA.1888@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>
>> "Hot-text" <hot-text@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:2815D742-A531-4C8A-918D-336B7D22E3C5@microsoft.com...
>>>I hope that traffic for win 98 go up and win 98 always be open!
>>> I say I HOPE!

>>
>> What part of "Microsoft is withdrawing from Usenet news groups" don't you
>> understand ?
>> If you need Microsoft "discussions" in future you will be forced to use their Web
>> based "forums"
>> One more time "-
>>
>> Microsoft is withdrawing their NNTP server from Usenet.
>>

>
 
V

VanguardLH

Flightless Bird
Sunny wrote:

> What part of "Microsoft is withdrawing from Usenet news groups" don't
> you understand ? If you need Microsoft "discussions" in future you
> will be forced to use their Web based "forums" One more time "-
>
> Microsoft is withdrawing their NNTP server from Usenet.


Yes, just *Microsoft* is dropping their own NNTP server. Microsoft is
not Usenet. Usenet won't disappear because Microsoft decided to end
their Usenet usurping experiment back in 2006. Giganews, Albasani,
Eternal-September, Earthlink, and other NSPs have already stated that
they will continue carrying the microsoft.public.* newsgroups (i.e.,
they will ignore any rogue 'rmgroup' control message issued by a
self-appointed netcop).

The microsoft.public.* newsgroups are NOT going away from Usenet. It
is *Microsoft* that is scrambling away from Usenet. No one is getting
forced to use Microsoft's inane web-based forums to continue
participating in these newsgroups.

You can, if you feel so inclined to self-torture, use Microsoft's (well,
Microsoft didn't write it but they proffer it as their software) NNTP
Bridge to access the web-based forums (well, only some of them as not
all have been brought under the same umbrella for access control).
Rather than operate a forum-to-NNTP gateway server on their end (which
is what all the Usenet-leeching web sites do), Microsoft wants you to
run a local NNTP-to-forums proxy on your host. It has lots of problems
and deficiencies. That it is workable doesn't mean it is preferred.

If you want to continue participating in the microsoft.public.*
newsgroups then do so by using any other NNTP server. There are free
and paid NSPs you can use to access these newsgroups. You do NOT need
to use Microsoft's NNTP server. The groups are not going away because
Microsoft is.
 
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98 Guy

Flightless Bird
VanguardLH wrote:

> Giganews, Albasani, Eternal-September, Earthlink, and other NSPs
> have already stated that they will continue carrying the
> microsoft.public.* newsgroups


Where have they stated that? In what newsgroup(s) have they posted that
they will continue to carry the microsoft.public hierarchy?

> (i.e., they will ignore any rogue 'rmgroup' control message issued
> by a self-appointed netcop).


Many of them have been following that "self-appointed netcop" for years
(Julien Elie). Like it or not, he is the recognized authority for that
hierarchy, and he intends to administrate those groups out of existance.

The server nntp.AIOE.org recognizes the "official" list of newsgroups
generated by ISC.org, and ISC.org recognizes the authority of Julien's
PGP key and his control messages.

But otherwise I agree that Microsoft turning off it's usenet server
would not or should not automatically mean that the microsoft.public
groups will disappear from usenet.

Many people believe (incorrectly) that Microsoft's servers play some
important, critical technical role in the existance and message
transport of these groups, and the shut-down of their server will
automatically mean the loss of these groups to the rest of usenet.

Other people believe (incorrectly) that even if Microsoft's servers do
not play a critical or necessary technical role for the operation of
these groups, that Microsoft nonetheless can *force* the world-wide
usenet to discontinue their use because the groups are Microsoft's legal
property.
 
P

Peter Foldes

Flightless Bird
You are a hooplehead at it's best

--
Peter

Please Reply to Newsgroup for the benefit of others
Requests for assistance by email can not and will not be acknowledged.
http://www.microsoft.com/protect

"98 Guy" <98@Guy.com> wrote in message news:4C10E7CD.6A48B642@Guy.com...
> VanguardLH wrote:
>
>> Giganews, Albasani, Eternal-September, Earthlink, and other NSPs
>> have already stated that they will continue carrying the
 
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98 Guy

Flightless Bird
Top-Poaster Peter Foldes wrote:

> You are a hooplehead at it's best


And you are a hit-and-run top-poaster.

I will summarize my last post (which you did not quote), and you will
most likely not respond to the points I'm making, or state exactly how
any of my statements are incorrect:

------------

- In what newsgroup(s) have they (various NNTP operators) posted that
they will continue to carry the microsoft.public hierarchy?

- Many of them (nntp operators) have been following that "self-appointed
netcop" for years (Julien Elie). Like it or not, he is the recognized
authority for that hierarchy, and he intends to administrate those
groups out of existance.

- AIOE follows the ISC.org list of newsgroups, and ISC.org accepts
Julien's control messages. AIOE has already removed some microsoft
newsgroups, and by all indications will remove all of them, as per
Julien's actions.

- Otherwise, Microsoft turning off it's usenet server would not or
should not automatically mean that the microsoft.public groups will
disappear from usenet.

- Many people believe (incorrectly) that Microsoft's servers play some
important, critical technical role in the existance and message
transport of these groups, and the shut-down of their server will
automatically mean the loss of these groups to the rest of usenet.

- Other people believe (incorrectly) that even if Microsoft's servers do
not play a critical or necessary technical role for the operation of
these groups, that Microsoft nonetheless can *force* the world-wide
usenet to discontinue their use because the groups are Microsoft's legal
property.
 
B

Bickford Schmeckler

Flightless Bird
Ignorant twit: Were you born a HoopleHead or did you work your way down?

"98 Guy" <98@Guy.com> wrote in message news:4C10FA66.A557761C@Guy.com...
: Top-Poaster Peter Foldes wrote:
:
: > You are a hooplehead at it's best

:
: I will summarize my last post (which you did not quote), and you will
: most likely not respond to the points I'm making, or state exactly how
: any of my statements are incorrect:
:
: ------------
:
: - In what newsgroup(s) have they (various NNTP operators) posted that
: they will continue to carry the microsoft.public hierarchy?
:
: - Many of them (nntp operators) have been following that "self-appointed
: netcop" for years (Julien Elie). Like it or not, he is the recognized
: authority for that hierarchy, and he intends to administrate those
: groups out of existance.
:
: - AIOE follows the ISC.org list of newsgroups, and ISC.org accepts
: Julien's control messages. AIOE has already removed some microsoft
: newsgroups, and by all indications will remove all of them, as per
: Julien's actions.
:
: - Otherwise, Microsoft turning off it's usenet server would not or
: should not automatically mean that the microsoft.public groups will
: disappear from usenet.
:
: - Many people believe (incorrectly) that Microsoft's servers play some
: important, critical technical role in the existance and message
: transport of these groups, and the shut-down of their server will
: automatically mean the loss of these groups to the rest of usenet.
:
: - Other people believe (incorrectly) that even if Microsoft's servers do
: not play a critical or necessary technical role for the operation of
: these groups, that Microsoft nonetheless can *force* the world-wide
: usenet to discontinue their use because the groups are Microsoft's legal
: property.
 
T

T Shadow

Flightless Bird
"98 Guy" <98@Guy.com> wrote in message news:4C10E7CD.6A48B642@Guy.com...
>
> Other people believe (incorrectly) that even if Microsoft's servers do
> not play a critical or necessary technical role for the operation of
> these groups, that Microsoft nonetheless can *force* the world-wide
> usenet to discontinue their use because the groups are Microsoft's legal
> property.


I feel better knowing a copyright and trademark attorney is posting here!

Especially one that's lost in the last Millennium.
 
9

98 Guy

Flightless Bird
Numbnuts Schmeckler spewed:

> Ignorant twit: Were you born a HoopleHead or did you work your
> way down?


So when exactly did you become infatuated with the word "hooplehead" ?

Was it when you lost the ability to have an intelligent conversation?

-----------

- In what newsgroup(s) have they (various NNTP operators) posted
that they will continue to carry the microsoft.public hierarchy?

- Many of them (nntp operators) have been following that "self-
appointed netcop" for years (Julien Elie). Like it or not, he
is the recognized authority for that hierarchy, and he intends
to administrate those groups out of existance.

- AIOE follows the ISC.org list of newsgroups, and ISC.org accepts
Julien's control messages. AIOE has already removed some microsoft
newsgroups, and by all indications will remove all of them, as per
Julien's actions.

- Otherwise, Microsoft turning off it's usenet server would not or
should not automatically mean that the microsoft.public groups
will disappear from usenet.

- Many people believe (incorrectly) that Microsoft's servers play
some important, critical technical role in the existance and
message transport of these groups, and the shut-down of their
server will automatically mean the loss of these groups to the
rest of usenet.

- Other people believe (incorrectly) that even if Microsoft's
servers do not play a critical or necessary technical role for
the operation of these groups, that Microsoft nonetheless can
*force* the world-wide usenet to discontinue their use because
the groups are Microsoft's legal property.
 
9

98 Guy

Flightless Bird
T Shadow wrote:

> > Other people believe (incorrectly) that even if Microsoft's servers
> > do not play a critical or necessary technical role for the operation
> > of these groups, that Microsoft nonetheless can *force* the world-
> > wide usenet to discontinue their use because the groups are
> > Microsoft's legal property.


I will now give you an example of one such person:

> I feel better knowing a copyright and trademark attorney is
> posting here!


The useage of "microsoft" in a usegroup name is free speech.

Just as if I wrote a book titled "Microsoft: History of a criminal
organization".

Just as countless other books, magazines, periodicals, websites, etc.

Speaking of a criminal organization, how many of you are aware that
Microsoft's last auto-update package delivered a firefox add-on that
tampers with your browser's search functionality - while calling it a
"critical" security update?
 
H

Hot-text

Flightless Bird
VanguardLH you right!

But who is go to be the ROOT NNTP server to Upstream the Microsoft groups
messages?
Will it be a pay or Free ROOT SERVER?

For Microsoft was the root server and for Microsoft groups

You have to have a root server to Share, Upstream, Download and filter Post
messages on the Usenet!

So who is the Usenet server that will do the Job?



"VanguardLH" <V@nguard.LH> wrote in message
news:huq6oq$ut6$1@news.albasani.net...
> Sunny wrote:
>
>> What part of "Microsoft is withdrawing from Usenet news groups" don't
>> you understand ? If you need Microsoft "discussions" in future you
>> will be forced to use their Web based "forums" One more time "-
>>
>> Microsoft is withdrawing their NNTP server from Usenet.

>
> Yes, just *Microsoft* is dropping their own NNTP server. Microsoft is
> not Usenet. Usenet won't disappear because Microsoft decided to end
> their Usenet usurping experiment back in 2006. Giganews, Albasani,
> Eternal-September, Earthlink, and other NSPs have already stated that
> they will continue carrying the microsoft.public.* newsgroups (i.e.,
> they will ignore any rogue 'rmgroup' control message issued by a
> self-appointed netcop).
>
> The microsoft.public.* newsgroups are NOT going away from Usenet. It
> is *Microsoft* that is scrambling away from Usenet. No one is getting
> forced to use Microsoft's inane web-based forums to continue
> participating in these newsgroups.
>
> You can, if you feel so inclined to self-torture, use Microsoft's (well,
> Microsoft didn't write it but they proffer it as their software) NNTP
> Bridge to access the web-based forums (well, only some of them as not
> all have been brought under the same umbrella for access control).
> Rather than operate a forum-to-NNTP gateway server on their end (which
> is what all the Usenet-leeching web sites do), Microsoft wants you to
> run a local NNTP-to-forums proxy on your host. It has lots of problems
> and deficiencies. That it is workable doesn't mean it is preferred.
>
> If you want to continue participating in the microsoft.public.*
> newsgroups then do so by using any other NNTP server. There are free
> and paid NSPs you can use to access these newsgroups. You do NOT need
> to use Microsoft's NNTP server. The groups are not going away because
> Microsoft is.
 
G

glee

Flightless Bird
"98 Guy" <98@Guy.com> wrote in message news:4C116778.C64C4E05@Guy.com...
> snip
> Speaking of a criminal organization, how many of you are aware that
> Microsoft's last auto-update package delivered a firefox add-on that
> tampers with your browser's search functionality - while calling it a
> "critical" security update?


The Firefox extension and IE add-on from the "Search Enhancement" update
were only installed on systems that had the Live, MSN, or Bing browser
toolbar installed, since it is part of an update that involves those
toolbars.

It was not installed as a "critical" update, it was listed as an
"important" update.

Exactly how does it "tamper" with your search functionality? It updates
browser integration for the toolbar, and is only installed if the
toolbar is already installed.

As usual, you report half-truths, and are only interested in attacking
Microsoft....why don't you say a word about the Java Quick Starter
extension that Sun has been silently installing in Firefox for years,
and which actually can lead to security issues? It's from Sun, not
Microsoft, so you aren't interested in it....it doesn't fit your attack
plan.

--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009
A+
http://dts-l.net/
 
T

T Shadow

Flightless Bird
"98 Guy" <98@Guy.com> wrote in message news:4C116778.C64C4E05@Guy.com...
>T Shadow wrote:
>
>> > Other people believe (incorrectly) that even if Microsoft's servers
>> > do not play a critical or necessary technical role for the operation
>> > of these groups, that Microsoft nonetheless can *force* the world-
>> > wide usenet to discontinue their use because the groups are
>> > Microsoft's legal property.

>
> I will now give you an example of one such person:
>
>> I feel better knowing a copyright and trademark attorney is
>> posting here!

>
> The useage of "microsoft" in a usegroup name is free speech.
>


Where is you law degree from?

Box of Frosted Flakes doesn't count.
 
B

Bickford Schmeckler

Flightless Bird
:
: So when exactly did you become infatuated with the word "hooplehead" ?
:
: Was it when you lost the ability to have an intelligent conversation?
:

No, it was when your Mom started charging for her services.
 
H

Hot-text

Flightless Bird
98 Guy 98 Guy
There is no free of speech in the world of User Net.

For Freedom of speech is a trademark of the USA.
And the USA have a Amy of attorney to keep it trademarks!

Freedom of speech will not to be force upon the WORLD of User Net,
But NNTP Servers is freely giving the rights to Kick and Band Users form
there Servers!
The NNTP Servers have rights not you 98 Guy!

Now that Freedom of speech!


"98 Guy" <98@Guy.com> wrote in message news:4C116778.C64C4E05@Guy.com...
> T Shadow wrote:
>
>> > Other people believe (incorrectly) that even if Microsoft's servers
>> > do not play a critical or necessary technical role for the operation
>> > of these groups, that Microsoft nonetheless can *force* the world-
>> > wide usenet to discontinue their use because the groups are
>> > Microsoft's legal property.

>
> I will now give you an example of one such person:
>
>> I feel better knowing a copyright and trademark attorney is
>> posting here!

>
> The useage of "microsoft" in a usegroup name is free speech.
>
> Just as if I wrote a book titled "Microsoft: History of a criminal
> organization".
>
> Just as countless other books, magazines, periodicals, websites, etc.
>
> Speaking of a criminal organization, how many of you are aware that
> Microsoft's last auto-update package delivered a firefox add-on that
> tampers with your browser's search functionality - while calling it a
> "critical" security update?
 
9

98 Guy

Flightless Bird
Microsoft inserts Firefox add-on with new updates (was: Surprised!)

glee wrote:

> > Speaking of a criminal organization, how many of you are aware
> > that Microsoft's last auto-update package delivered a firefox
> > add-on that tampers with your browser's search functionality

>
> The Firefox extension and IE add-on from the "Search Enhancement"
> update were only installed on systems that had the Live, MSN, or
> Bing browser toolbar installed, since it is part of an update that
> involves those toolbars.


http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/ne...ips-ie-firefox-add-on-into-toolbar-update.ars

---------
On one of our Windows systems, we had the Windows Live Toolbar installed
for Internet Explorer but not for Firefox. Nevertheless, installing
this update added the add-on/extension to both browsers without telling
us that it would do so. On our second system, we had the Bing Bar
installed for Internet Explorer, but it was disabled. Firefox was not
installed. This system already had the update in question, so we
decided to install Firefox. Not only was the Bing Bar extension present
upon Firefox's first launch, but so was the Search Helper Extension.

Additional testing determined that the update is only being offered to
those with one of the Microsoft toolbars installed, regardless of
whether they are enabled or disabled. It's unknown how many users fall
into that scenario, but the toolbars often come bundled with new PCs and
popular Microsoft downloads.

The worst part of this issue is that Microsoft does not seem to be aware
of it: a Microsoft spokesperson simply pointed us to the aforementioned
Microsoft Support page that inaccurately describes the update. We asked
the company for an explanation of why the extension was installed and
what it does, but have yet to receive a reply.
---------

> It was not installed as a "critical" update, it was listed as
> an "important" update.


My mistake. It was listed as important - not optional. Which means it
will likely be downloaded automatically on most systems - without their
owners knowledge or approval.

> Exactly how does it "tamper" with your search functionality?


This is the second time that Microsoft has tried to tinker with Firefox
on people's PC's. Some people don't like it when new tool bars appear
in their browser.

> It updates browser integration for the toolbar, and is only
> installed if the toolbar is already installed.


Not true - read above. This firefox add-on is being installed even when
those systems did not previously have a Bing / MS search add-on
installed.

> As usual, you report half-truths, and are only interested in
> attacking Microsoft...


Now that you know the full story, are you still sure that this add-on
behavior is desirable for end-users, or is it desirable for Microsoft?
Is it really an important add-on?

Or will you be a Micro$haft appologist and psycophant and believe
otherwise?
 
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98 Guy

Flightless Bird
T Shadow wrote:

> > The useage of "microsoft" in a usegroup name is free speech.

>
> Where is you law degree from?


Where is yours from?

What arguments have you put forward to support your claim that newsgroup
names can be considered as legal property?

This was discussed in misc.legal.moderated. Some people there actually
claim to be lawyers. The consensus is that newsgroup names are not and
can't be copyrighted or considered legal property.
 
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