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Re: Problems with IE 8

Discussion in 'Internet Explorer' started by PA Bear [MS MVP], Feb 9, 2010.

  1. PA Bear [MS MVP]

    PA Bear [MS MVP] Flightless Bird

    [Crosspost to IE General]

    Those with IE7- and/or IE8-specific questions or comments can post to and
    seek support in IE General newsgroup:
    microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general

    On the web:
    http://www.microsoft.com/communitie...?dg=microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general

    In your newsreader:
    news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general

    Resources:

    Hyperlinks do not work in Outlook Express after you upgrade to IE7 [and/or
    IE8]
    http://support.microsoft.com/kb/929867

    No-charge support for Internet Explorer 8 installation, set-up and usage
    (only) is available via telephone (based on your locale) and has been
    extended until 02 July 2010. Customers must be running Windows XP or Windows
    Vista in a non-domain environment.

    => US & CA Residents: 1-866-234-6020
    => Other locales:
    https://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?&prid=13043

    My personal recommendations include:

    => Install IE8 manually, not via Windows Update/Automatic Updates!! =>
    http://www.microsoft.com/windows/internet-explorer/worldwide-sites.aspx

    NB WinXP users: Save the installer to your desktop, do not Run it. When
    you're prepared to install IE8, double-click on the saved file.

    NB Vista users: Save the installer to your desktop, do not Run it. When
    you're prepared to install IE8, right-click on the saved file and select Run
    as Administator.

    => Uninstall all third-party toolbars (e.g., Google; Yahoo; Windows Live)
    and third-party Windows Themes before installing IE8.

    => Close all open applications (i.e., anything with a taskbar icon) before
    installing or uninstalling IE8.

    => I would strongly recommend disabling your anti-virus application and any
    anti-spyware application's "system protections" (other than Defender's)
    before installing (or uninstalling) an IE upgrade. If you're running a
    third-party firewall, I would recommend disabling it and then enabling the
    Windows Firewall before installing (or uninstalling) an IE upgrade.

    => Create a Restore Point manually before installing IE8. [Do NOT use
    System Restore to remove/uninstall IE8; instead, see
    http://support.microsoft.com/kb/957700. Then use the Restore Point prior to
    reinstalling IE8 per these recommendations. Norton users will need to see
    http://bertk.mvps.org/html/symantecdoc1.html.]

    NB WinXP users=> Reboot twice after installing or uninstalling IE8, then go
    to http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com | Select CUSTOM and scan | Install any
    Critical Security Updates offered (i.e., KB976325). If a Root Certificates
    update is listed in the Optional Updates category, install it to take full
    advantage of IE's enhanced security.

    NB Vista users=> Reboot twice after installing or uninstalling IE8, then
    check-in at Windows Update and install any critical security updates
    offered.

    => For best chance of success with IE8, make certain that your anti-virus
    application version, any anti-spyware applications (other than Defender),
    and your third-party firewall (if any) are supported in IE8 before you
    decide install it.
    --
    ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
    MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002


    Homer wrote:
    > I currently am running IE 6 however there are a number of sites that I go
    > to
    > frequently that just don't function properly. I would like to upgrade to
    > IE
    > 8 but I had such problems with IE 7, especially regarding Outlook Express
    > that I'm concerned about installing IE 8. I've also read about problems
    > with IE 8 as well. Is there any justification for my concern?
     
  2. Homer

    Homer Flightless Bird

    Thanks for the quick response. I've followed your instructions and IE8
    appears to be working OK. However, should I have a problem, and I would want
    to unistall, I wasn't able to get the article you suggested:
    http://support.microsoft.com/kb/957700.
    When I clicked on the link, I received a message that it was not available.

    "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:

    > [Crosspost to IE General]
    >
    > Those with IE7- and/or IE8-specific questions or comments can post to and
    > seek support in IE General newsgroup:
    > microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general
    >
    > On the web:
    > http://www.microsoft.com/communitie...?dg=microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general
    >
    > In your newsreader:
    > news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general
    >
    > Resources:
    >
    > Hyperlinks do not work in Outlook Express after you upgrade to IE7 [and/or
    > IE8]
    > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/929867
    >
    > No-charge support for Internet Explorer 8 installation, set-up and usage
    > (only) is available via telephone (based on your locale) and has been
    > extended until 02 July 2010. Customers must be running Windows XP or Windows
    > Vista in a non-domain environment.
    >
    > => US & CA Residents: 1-866-234-6020
    > => Other locales:
    > https://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?&prid=13043
    >
    > My personal recommendations include:
    >
    > => Install IE8 manually, not via Windows Update/Automatic Updates!! =>
    > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/internet-explorer/worldwide-sites.aspx
    >
    > NB WinXP users: Save the installer to your desktop, do not Run it. When
    > you're prepared to install IE8, double-click on the saved file.
    >
    > NB Vista users: Save the installer to your desktop, do not Run it. When
    > you're prepared to install IE8, right-click on the saved file and select Run
    > as Administator.
    >
    > => Uninstall all third-party toolbars (e.g., Google; Yahoo; Windows Live)
    > and third-party Windows Themes before installing IE8.
    >
    > => Close all open applications (i.e., anything with a taskbar icon) before
    > installing or uninstalling IE8.
    >
    > => I would strongly recommend disabling your anti-virus application and any
    > anti-spyware application's "system protections" (other than Defender's)
    > before installing (or uninstalling) an IE upgrade. If you're running a
    > third-party firewall, I would recommend disabling it and then enabling the
    > Windows Firewall before installing (or uninstalling) an IE upgrade.
    >
    > => Create a Restore Point manually before installing IE8. [Do NOT use
    > System Restore to remove/uninstall IE8; instead, see
    > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/957700. Then use the Restore Point prior to
    > reinstalling IE8 per these recommendations. Norton users will need to see
    > http://bertk.mvps.org/html/symantecdoc1.html.]
    >
    > NB WinXP users=> Reboot twice after installing or uninstalling IE8, then go
    > to http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com | Select CUSTOM and scan | Install any
    > Critical Security Updates offered (i.e., KB976325). If a Root Certificates
    > update is listed in the Optional Updates category, install it to take full
    > advantage of IE's enhanced security.
    >
    > NB Vista users=> Reboot twice after installing or uninstalling IE8, then
    > check-in at Windows Update and install any critical security updates
    > offered.
    >
    > => For best chance of success with IE8, make certain that your anti-virus
    > application version, any anti-spyware applications (other than Defender),
    > and your third-party firewall (if any) are supported in IE8 before you
    > decide install it.
    > --
    > ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
    > MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002
    >
    >
    > Homer wrote:
    > > I currently am running IE 6 however there are a number of sites that I go
    > > to
    > > frequently that just don't function properly. I would like to upgrade to
    > > IE
    > > 8 but I had such problems with IE 7, especially regarding Outlook Express
    > > that I'm concerned about installing IE 8. I've also read about problems
    > > with IE 8 as well. Is there any justification for my concern?

    >
    > .
    >
     
  3. Alan Edwards

    Alan Edwards Flightless Bird

    Try the link again.
    It worked for me just now.

    ....Alan
    --
    Alan Edwards, MS MVP Windows - Internet Explorer
    http://dts-l.com/index.htm



    On Tue, 9 Feb 2010 12:50:01 -0800, in
    microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6.browser, Homer
    <Homer@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

    >Thanks for the quick response. I've followed your instructions and IE8
    >appears to be working OK. However, should I have a problem, and I would want
    >to unistall, I wasn't able to get the article you suggested:
    >http://support.microsoft.com/kb/957700
    >When I clicked on the link, I received a message that it was not available.
     
  4. Homer

    Homer Flightless Bird

    I just tried it again. It said it could find the page.

    "Alan Edwards" wrote:

    > Try the link again.
    > It worked for me just now.
    >
    > ....Alan
    > --
    > Alan Edwards, MS MVP Windows - Internet Explorer
    > http://dts-l.com/index.htm
    >
    >
    >
    > On Tue, 9 Feb 2010 12:50:01 -0800, in
    > microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6.browser, Homer
    > <Homer@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
    >
    > >Thanks for the quick response. I've followed your instructions and IE8
    > >appears to be working OK. However, should I have a problem, and I would want
    > >to unistall, I wasn't able to get the article you suggested:
    > >http://support.microsoft.com/kb/957700
    > >When I clicked on the link, I received a message that it was not available.

    > .
    >
     
  5. Alan Edwards

    Alan Edwards Flightless Bird

    Still works for me. Copy and paste it again.
    http://support.microsoft.com/kb/957700

    I assume you cannot just click the link above as you are not using a
    newsreader.
    You will get a far better experience of newsgroups if you use a proper
    newsreader instead of that slow and quirky web interface you are
    using.

    Outlook Express Newsreader-Setting up
    http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/outlookexpressnewreader.htm
    http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/community/newsgroups/setup.asp
    http://insideoe.tomsterdam.com/resources/communities.htm#setupmsnews
    http://rickrogers.org/setupoe.htm

    Agent
    http://www.forteinc.com/agent/index.php

    .....Alan
    --
    Alan Edwards, MS MVP Windows - Internet Explorer
    http://dts-l.com/index.htm

    On Tue, 9 Feb 2010 14:40:01 -0800, in
    microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6.browser, Homer
    <Homer@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

    >I just tried it again. It said it could find the page.
    >
    >"Alan Edwards" wrote:
    >
    >> Try the link again.
    >> It worked for me just now.
    >>
    >> ....Alan
    >> --
    >> Alan Edwards, MS MVP Windows - Internet Explorer
    >> http://dts-l.com/index.htm
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> On Tue, 9 Feb 2010 12:50:01 -0800, in
    >> microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6.browser, Homer
    >> <Homer@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
    >>
    >> >Thanks for the quick response. I've followed your instructions and IE8
    >> >appears to be working OK. However, should I have a problem, and I would want
    >> >to unistall, I wasn't able to get the article you suggested:
    >> >http://support.microsoft.com/kb/957700
    >> >When I clicked on the link, I received a message that it was not available.

    >> .
    >>
     
  6. PA Bear [MS MVP]

    PA Bear [MS MVP] Flightless Bird

    What anti-virus application or security suite is installed and is your
    subscription current? What anti-spyware applications (other than Defender)?
    What third-party firewall (if any)? Were any of these applications running
    in the background when you installed IE8?

    Has a(another) Norton or McAfee application ever been installed on the
    computer (e.g., a free-trial version that came preinstalled when you bought
    it)?
    --
    ~PA Bear

    Homer wrote:
    > I just tried it again. It said it could find the page.
    >
    >> Try the link again.
    >> It worked for me just now.
    >>
    >>> Thanks for the quick response. I've followed your instructions and IE8
    >>> appears to be working OK. However, should I have a problem, and I would
    >>> want to unistall, I wasn't able to get the article you suggested:
    >>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/957700
    >>> When I clicked on the link, I received a message that it was not
    >>> available. .
     
  7. Homer

    Homer Flightless Bird

    I'm running Norton AV, it is current, I don't have a third party firewall,
    the anti spyware is part of Norton. None of those applications were running.
    Per your instructions I did have the Windows firewall running during the
    downloaed. When I tried the links for unistalling IE8 was after I installed
    IE8 and I restored my anti virus and turned off the windows firewall and
    turned on the firewall from Norton.

    "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:

    > What anti-virus application or security suite is installed and is your
    > subscription current? What anti-spyware applications (other than Defender)?
    > What third-party firewall (if any)? Were any of these applications running
    > in the background when you installed IE8?
    >
    > Has a(another) Norton or McAfee application ever been installed on the
    > computer (e.g., a free-trial version that came preinstalled when you bought
    > it)?
    > --
    > ~PA Bear
    >
    > Homer wrote:
    > > I just tried it again. It said it could find the page.
    > >
    > >> Try the link again.
    > >> It worked for me just now.
    > >>
    > >>> Thanks for the quick response. I've followed your instructions and IE8
    > >>> appears to be working OK. However, should I have a problem, and I would
    > >>> want to unistall, I wasn't able to get the article you suggested:
    > >>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/957700
    > >>> When I clicked on the link, I received a message that it was not
    > >>> available. .

    >
    > .
    >
     
  8. Homer

    Homer Flightless Bird

    Please disrecard my last response. I was clicking on the link in your
    response. I just noticed that there was a period at the end of the link. I
    cut and pasted it without the period and it worked fine. Sorry.

    "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:

    > What anti-virus application or security suite is installed and is your
    > subscription current? What anti-spyware applications (other than Defender)?
    > What third-party firewall (if any)? Were any of these applications running
    > in the background when you installed IE8?
    >
    > Has a(another) Norton or McAfee application ever been installed on the
    > computer (e.g., a free-trial version that came preinstalled when you bought
    > it)?
    > --
    > ~PA Bear
    >
    > Homer wrote:
    > > I just tried it again. It said it could find the page.
    > >
    > >> Try the link again.
    > >> It worked for me just now.
    > >>
    > >>> Thanks for the quick response. I've followed your instructions and IE8
    > >>> appears to be working OK. However, should I have a problem, and I would
    > >>> want to unistall, I wasn't able to get the article you suggested:
    > >>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/957700
    > >>> When I clicked on the link, I received a message that it was not
    > >>> available. .

    >
    > .
    >
     
  9. PA Bear [MS MVP]

    PA Bear [MS MVP] Flightless Bird

    [Yes, I saw your other post about the period and the link.]

    Repost:
    > Has a(another) Norton or McAfee application ever been installed on the
    > computer (e.g., a free-trial version that came preinstalled when you
    > bought
    > it)?



    Homer wrote:
    > I'm running Norton AV, it is current, I don't have a third party firewall,
    > the anti spyware is part of Norton. None of those applications were
    > running.
    > Per your instructions I did have the Windows firewall running during the
    > downloaed. When I tried the links for unistalling IE8 was after I
    > installed
    > IE8 and I restored my anti virus and turned off the windows firewall and
    > turned on the firewall from Norton.
    >
    > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:
    >
    >> What anti-virus application or security suite is installed and is your
    >> subscription current? What anti-spyware applications (other than
    >> Defender)? What third-party firewall (if any)? Were any of these
    >> applications running in the background when you installed IE8?
    >>
    >> Has a(another) Norton or McAfee application ever been installed on the
    >> computer (e.g., a free-trial version that came preinstalled when you
    >> bought
    >> it)?
    >> --
    >> ~PA Bear
    >>
    >> Homer wrote:
    >>> I just tried it again. It said it could find the page.
    >>>
    >>>> Try the link again.
    >>>> It worked for me just now.
    >>>>
    >>>>> Thanks for the quick response. I've followed your instructions and
    >>>>> IE8
    >>>>> appears to be working OK. However, should I have a problem, and I
    >>>>> would
    >>>>> want to unistall, I wasn't able to get the article you suggested:
    >>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/957700
    >>>>> When I clicked on the link, I received a message that it was not
    >>>>> available. .

    >>
    >> .
     
  10. Homer

    Homer Flightless Bird

    Thanks for all of your help on this problem. I downloaded IE8 on all 3 of my
    machines following all of your instructions. The day following my
    installation on one of my machines I started having NAV launch on the desktop
    by itself. I've several chat sessions with Symantec with no resolution.
    They seem to think that the problem is that I have email protection turned
    off. I've always had it turned off on all my machines without a problem.
    This started to happen after I installed IE8. Is there possibly some
    connection?

    "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:

    > [Crosspost to IE General]
    >
    > Those with IE7- and/or IE8-specific questions or comments can post to and
    > seek support in IE General newsgroup:
    > microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general
    >
    > On the web:
    > http://www.microsoft.com/communitie...?dg=microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general
    >
    > In your newsreader:
    > news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general
    >
    > Resources:
    >
    > Hyperlinks do not work in Outlook Express after you upgrade to IE7 [and/or
    > IE8]
    > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/929867
    >
    > No-charge support for Internet Explorer 8 installation, set-up and usage
    > (only) is available via telephone (based on your locale) and has been
    > extended until 02 July 2010. Customers must be running Windows XP or Windows
    > Vista in a non-domain environment.
    >
    > => US & CA Residents: 1-866-234-6020
    > => Other locales:
    > https://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?&prid=13043
    >
    > My personal recommendations include:
    >
    > => Install IE8 manually, not via Windows Update/Automatic Updates!! =>
    > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/internet-explorer/worldwide-sites.aspx
    >
    > NB WinXP users: Save the installer to your desktop, do not Run it. When
    > you're prepared to install IE8, double-click on the saved file.
    >
    > NB Vista users: Save the installer to your desktop, do not Run it. When
    > you're prepared to install IE8, right-click on the saved file and select Run
    > as Administator.
    >
    > => Uninstall all third-party toolbars (e.g., Google; Yahoo; Windows Live)
    > and third-party Windows Themes before installing IE8.
    >
    > => Close all open applications (i.e., anything with a taskbar icon) before
    > installing or uninstalling IE8.
    >
    > => I would strongly recommend disabling your anti-virus application and any
    > anti-spyware application's "system protections" (other than Defender's)
    > before installing (or uninstalling) an IE upgrade. If you're running a
    > third-party firewall, I would recommend disabling it and then enabling the
    > Windows Firewall before installing (or uninstalling) an IE upgrade.
    >
    > => Create a Restore Point manually before installing IE8. [Do NOT use
    > System Restore to remove/uninstall IE8; instead, see
    > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/957700. Then use the Restore Point prior to
    > reinstalling IE8 per these recommendations. Norton users will need to see
    > http://bertk.mvps.org/html/symantecdoc1.html.]
    >
    > NB WinXP users=> Reboot twice after installing or uninstalling IE8, then go
    > to http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com | Select CUSTOM and scan | Install any
    > Critical Security Updates offered (i.e., KB976325). If a Root Certificates
    > update is listed in the Optional Updates category, install it to take full
    > advantage of IE's enhanced security.
    >
    > NB Vista users=> Reboot twice after installing or uninstalling IE8, then
    > check-in at Windows Update and install any critical security updates
    > offered.
    >
    > => For best chance of success with IE8, make certain that your anti-virus
    > application version, any anti-spyware applications (other than Defender),
    > and your third-party firewall (if any) are supported in IE8 before you
    > decide install it.
    > --
    > ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
    > MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002
    >
    >
    > Homer wrote:
    > > I currently am running IE 6 however there are a number of sites that I go
    > > to
    > > frequently that just don't function properly. I would like to upgrade to
    > > IE
    > > 8 but I had such problems with IE 7, especially regarding Outlook Express
    > > that I'm concerned about installing IE 8. I've also read about problems
    > > with IE 8 as well. Is there any justification for my concern?

    >
    > .
    >
     
  11. PA Bear [MS MVP]

    PA Bear [MS MVP] Flightless Bird

    Thread history per Google Groups archive:
    http://groups.google.com/group/micr...er.general/browse_frm/thread/a223d41fb3bba4e3

    > ...The day following my
    > installation on one of my machines I started having NAV launch on the
    > desktop by itself...


    Which computer & Windows version?

    Assuming NAV is installed on all three computers, did a Norton (or McAfee)
    free trial come preinstalled on any of them?

    > ...I've several chat sessions with Symantec with no
    > resolution. They seem to think that the problem is that I have email
    > protection turned off. I've always had it turned off on all my machines
    > without a problem.


    Symantec Support's blowing smoke up your kilt. Email scanning provides no
    additional protection and even Symantec has said that it's not necessary:

    <QP>
    Disabling Email Scanning does not leave you unprotected against viruses that
    are distributed as email attachments. Norton AntiVirus Auto-Protect scans
    incoming files as they are saved to your hard drive, including email and
    email attachments. Email Scanning is just another layer on top of this. To
    make sure that Auto-Protect is providing the maximum protection, keep
    Auto-Protect enabled and run LiveUpdate regularly to ensure that you have
    the most recent virus definitions.
    </QP>
    http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT/nav.nsf/docid/2002111812533106

    > ...This started to happen after I installed IE8. Is there
    > possibly some connection?


    IMHO, not a chance, Homer. That being said, please answer the 2 questions
    above.
    --
    ~PA Bear


    Homer wrote:
    > Thanks for all of your help on this problem. I downloaded IE8 on all 3 of
    > my machines following all of your instructions. The day following my
    > installation on one of my machines I started having NAV launch on the
    > desktop by itself. I've several chat sessions with Symantec with no
    > resolution. They seem to think that the problem is that I have email
    > protection turned off. I've always had it turned off on all my machines
    > without a problem. This started to happen after I installed IE8. Is there
    > possibly some connection?
    >
    > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:
    >
    >> [Crosspost to IE General]
    >>
    >> Those with IE7- and/or IE8-specific questions or comments can post to and
    >> seek support in IE General newsgroup:
    >> microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general
    >>
    >> On the web:
    >> http://www.microsoft.com/communitie...?dg=microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general
    >>
    >> In your newsreader:
    >> news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general
    >>
    >> Resources:
    >>
    >> Hyperlinks do not work in Outlook Express after you upgrade to IE7
    >> [and/or
    >> IE8]
    >> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/929867
    >>
    >> No-charge support for Internet Explorer 8 installation, set-up and usage
    >> (only) is available via telephone (based on your locale) and has been
    >> extended until 02 July 2010. Customers must be running Windows XP or
    >> Windows Vista in a non-domain environment.
    >>
    >> => US & CA Residents: 1-866-234-6020
    >> => Other locales:
    >> https://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?&prid=13043
    >>
    >> My personal recommendations include:
    >>
    >> => Install IE8 manually, not via Windows Update/Automatic Updates!! =>
    >> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/internet-explorer/worldwide-sites.aspx
    >>
    >> NB WinXP users: Save the installer to your desktop, do not Run it. When
    >> you're prepared to install IE8, double-click on the saved file.
    >>
    >> NB Vista users: Save the installer to your desktop, do not Run it. When
    >> you're prepared to install IE8, right-click on the saved file and select
    >> Run as Administator.
    >>
    >> => Uninstall all third-party toolbars (e.g., Google; Yahoo; Windows Live)
    >> and third-party Windows Themes before installing IE8.
    >>
    >> => Close all open applications (i.e., anything with a taskbar icon)
    >> before
    >> installing or uninstalling IE8.
    >>
    >> => I would strongly recommend disabling your anti-virus application and
    >> any
    >> anti-spyware application's "system protections" (other than Defender's)
    >> before installing (or uninstalling) an IE upgrade. If you're running a
    >> third-party firewall, I would recommend disabling it and then enabling
    >> the
    >> Windows Firewall before installing (or uninstalling) an IE upgrade.
    >>
    >> => Create a Restore Point manually before installing IE8. [Do NOT use
    >> System Restore to remove/uninstall IE8; instead, see
    >> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/957700. Then use the Restore Point prior
    >> to reinstalling IE8 per these recommendations. Norton users will need to
    >> see http://bertk.mvps.org/html/symantecdoc1.html.]
    >>
    >> NB WinXP users=> Reboot twice after installing or uninstalling IE8, then
    >> go
    >> to http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com | Select CUSTOM and scan | Install
    >> any Critical Security Updates offered (i.e., KB976325). If a Root
    >> Certificates update is listed in the Optional Updates category, install
    >> it
    >> to take full advantage of IE's enhanced security.
    >>
    >> NB Vista users=> Reboot twice after installing or uninstalling IE8, then
    >> check-in at Windows Update and install any critical security updates
    >> offered.
    >>
    >> => For best chance of success with IE8, make certain that your anti-virus
    >> application version, any anti-spyware applications (other than Defender),
    >> and your third-party firewall (if any) are supported in IE8 before you
    >> decide install it.
    >> --
    >> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
    >> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002
    >>
    >>
    >> Homer wrote:
    >>> I currently am running IE 6 however there are a number of sites that I
    >>> go
    >>> to
    >>> frequently that just don't function properly. I would like to upgrade
    >>> to
    >>> IE
    >>> 8 but I had such problems with IE 7, especially regarding Outlook
    >>> Express
    >>> that I'm concerned about installing IE 8. I've also read about problems
    >>> with IE 8 as well. Is there any justification for my concern?

    >>
    >> .
     
  12. Homer

    Homer Flightless Bird

    The machine that it happens on is a Dell laptop running windows XP

    All 3 of my machines are running NAV and the subscriptions and updates are
    all current.

    I didn't have any trial anti-virus installed on any of them.

    It's just odd that this started happening right after I installed IE8.

    I orginally misspoke. NAV launches and the window is minimized on the task
    bar. I really don't think
    it has anything to do with email protection. I've had it turned on and it
    is still launching.

    "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:

    > Thread history per Google Groups archive:
    > http://groups.google.com/group/micr...er.general/browse_frm/thread/a223d41fb3bba4e3
    >
    > > ...The day following my
    > > installation on one of my machines I started having NAV launch on the
    > > desktop by itself...

    >
    > Which computer & Windows version?
    >
    > Assuming NAV is installed on all three computers, did a Norton (or McAfee)
    > free trial come preinstalled on any of them?
    >
    > > ...I've several chat sessions with Symantec with no
    > > resolution. They seem to think that the problem is that I have email
    > > protection turned off. I've always had it turned off on all my machines
    > > without a problem.

    >
    > Symantec Support's blowing smoke up your kilt. Email scanning provides no
    > additional protection and even Symantec has said that it's not necessary:
    >
    > <QP>
    > Disabling Email Scanning does not leave you unprotected against viruses that
    > are distributed as email attachments. Norton AntiVirus Auto-Protect scans
    > incoming files as they are saved to your hard drive, including email and
    > email attachments. Email Scanning is just another layer on top of this. To
    > make sure that Auto-Protect is providing the maximum protection, keep
    > Auto-Protect enabled and run LiveUpdate regularly to ensure that you have
    > the most recent virus definitions.
    > </QP>
    > http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT/nav.nsf/docid/2002111812533106
    >
    > > ...This started to happen after I installed IE8. Is there
    > > possibly some connection?

    >
    > IMHO, not a chance, Homer. That being said, please answer the 2 questions
    > above.
    > --
    > ~PA Bear
    >
    >
    > Homer wrote:
    > > Thanks for all of your help on this problem. I downloaded IE8 on all 3 of
    > > my machines following all of your instructions. The day following my
    > > installation on one of my machines I started having NAV launch on the
    > > desktop by itself. I've several chat sessions with Symantec with no
    > > resolution. They seem to think that the problem is that I have email
    > > protection turned off. I've always had it turned off on all my machines
    > > without a problem. This started to happen after I installed IE8. Is there
    > > possibly some connection?
    > >
    > > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:
    > >
    > >> [Crosspost to IE General]
    > >>
    > >> Those with IE7- and/or IE8-specific questions or comments can post to and
    > >> seek support in IE General newsgroup:
    > >> microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general
    > >>
    > >> On the web:
    > >> http://www.microsoft.com/communitie...?dg=microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general
    > >>
    > >> In your newsreader:
    > >> news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general
    > >>
    > >> Resources:
    > >>
    > >> Hyperlinks do not work in Outlook Express after you upgrade to IE7
    > >> [and/or
    > >> IE8]
    > >> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/929867
    > >>
    > >> No-charge support for Internet Explorer 8 installation, set-up and usage
    > >> (only) is available via telephone (based on your locale) and has been
    > >> extended until 02 July 2010. Customers must be running Windows XP or
    > >> Windows Vista in a non-domain environment.
    > >>
    > >> => US & CA Residents: 1-866-234-6020
    > >> => Other locales:
    > >> https://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?&prid=13043
    > >>
    > >> My personal recommendations include:
    > >>
    > >> => Install IE8 manually, not via Windows Update/Automatic Updates!! =>
    > >> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/internet-explorer/worldwide-sites.aspx
    > >>
    > >> NB WinXP users: Save the installer to your desktop, do not Run it. When
    > >> you're prepared to install IE8, double-click on the saved file.
    > >>
    > >> NB Vista users: Save the installer to your desktop, do not Run it. When
    > >> you're prepared to install IE8, right-click on the saved file and select
    > >> Run as Administator.
    > >>
    > >> => Uninstall all third-party toolbars (e.g., Google; Yahoo; Windows Live)
    > >> and third-party Windows Themes before installing IE8.
    > >>
    > >> => Close all open applications (i.e., anything with a taskbar icon)
    > >> before
    > >> installing or uninstalling IE8.
    > >>
    > >> => I would strongly recommend disabling your anti-virus application and
    > >> any
    > >> anti-spyware application's "system protections" (other than Defender's)
    > >> before installing (or uninstalling) an IE upgrade. If you're running a
    > >> third-party firewall, I would recommend disabling it and then enabling
    > >> the
    > >> Windows Firewall before installing (or uninstalling) an IE upgrade.
    > >>
    > >> => Create a Restore Point manually before installing IE8. [Do NOT use
    > >> System Restore to remove/uninstall IE8; instead, see
    > >> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/957700. Then use the Restore Point prior
    > >> to reinstalling IE8 per these recommendations. Norton users will need to
    > >> see http://bertk.mvps.org/html/symantecdoc1.html.]
    > >>
    > >> NB WinXP users=> Reboot twice after installing or uninstalling IE8, then
    > >> go
    > >> to http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com | Select CUSTOM and scan | Install
    > >> any Critical Security Updates offered (i.e., KB976325). If a Root
    > >> Certificates update is listed in the Optional Updates category, install
    > >> it
    > >> to take full advantage of IE's enhanced security.
    > >>
    > >> NB Vista users=> Reboot twice after installing or uninstalling IE8, then
    > >> check-in at Windows Update and install any critical security updates
    > >> offered.
    > >>
    > >> => For best chance of success with IE8, make certain that your anti-virus
    > >> application version, any anti-spyware applications (other than Defender),
    > >> and your third-party firewall (if any) are supported in IE8 before you
    > >> decide install it.
    > >> --
    > >> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
    > >> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002
    > >>
    > >>
    > >> Homer wrote:
    > >>> I currently am running IE 6 however there are a number of sites that I
    > >>> go
    > >>> to
    > >>> frequently that just don't function properly. I would like to upgrade
    > >>> to
    > >>> IE
    > >>> 8 but I had such problems with IE 7, especially regarding Outlook
    > >>> Express
    > >>> that I'm concerned about installing IE 8. I've also read about problems
    > >>> with IE 8 as well. Is there any justification for my concern?
    > >>
    > >> .

    >
    > .
    >
     
  13. PA Bear [MS MVP]

    PA Bear [MS MVP] Flightless Bird

    1. Download the Norton Removal Tool, saving it to your desktop:
    ftp://ftp.symantec.com/public/english_us_canada/removal_tools/Norton_Removal_Tool.exe

    2. Close any open applications (i.e., anything with an icon on the taskbar).

    3. After making certain you have a copy of your Product Key handy, uninstall
    NAV & LiveUpdate via Add/Remove Programs & reboot.

    4. IMPORTANT! => Make certain that the Windows Firewall is enabled.

    NB: You're "working without a net" now: Don't to ANYTHING else online (e.g.,
    browsing; reading email; chatting) until you've completed Step #7 below!

    5. Double-click on the file you saved in Step #1 above to run the utility.
    Don't TOUCH your keyboard until the run completes, then reboot again.

    6. Do a clean install of NAV 2010 using your Product ID & reboot:
    http://www.symantec.com/norton/support/kb/web_view.jsp?wv_type=public_web&docurl=20080514162318EN

    TIP: Do not enable or install any Norton Add-ons (e.g., Norton
    Anti-Phishing) just yet.

    7. Manually and repeatedly run LiveUpdate until you get a "no more updates"
    prompt.

    8. Test.


    Homer wrote:
    > The machine that it happens on is a Dell laptop running windows XP
    >
    > All 3 of my machines are running NAV and the subscriptions and updates are
    > all current.
    >
    > I didn't have any trial anti-virus installed on any of them.
    >
    > It's just odd that this started happening right after I installed IE8.
    >
    > I orginally misspoke. NAV launches and the window is minimized on the
    > task
    > bar. I really don't think
    > it has anything to do with email protection. I've had it turned on and it
    > is still launching.
    >
    > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:
    >
    >> Thread history per Google Groups archive:
    >> http://groups.google.com/group/micr...er.general/browse_frm/thread/a223d41fb3bba4e3
    >>
    >>> ...The day following my
    >>> installation on one of my machines I started having NAV launch on the
    >>> desktop by itself...

    >>
    >> Which computer & Windows version?
    >>
    >> Assuming NAV is installed on all three computers, did a Norton (or
    >> McAfee)
    >> free trial come preinstalled on any of them?
    >>
    >>> ...I've several chat sessions with Symantec with no
    >>> resolution. They seem to think that the problem is that I have email
    >>> protection turned off. I've always had it turned off on all my machines
    >>> without a problem.

    >>
    >> Symantec Support's blowing smoke up your kilt. Email scanning provides
    >> no
    >> additional protection and even Symantec has said that it's not necessary:
    >>
    >> <QP>
    >> Disabling Email Scanning does not leave you unprotected against viruses
    >> that are distributed as email attachments. Norton AntiVirus Auto-Protect
    >> scans incoming files as they are saved to your hard drive, including
    >> email
    >> and email attachments. Email Scanning is just another layer on top of
    >> this. To make sure that Auto-Protect is providing the maximum protection,
    >> keep Auto-Protect enabled and run LiveUpdate regularly to ensure that you
    >> have the most recent virus definitions.
    >> </QP>
    >> http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT/nav.nsf/docid/2002111812533106
    >>
    >>> ...This started to happen after I installed IE8. Is there
    >>> possibly some connection?

    >>
    >> IMHO, not a chance, Homer. That being said, please answer the 2
    >> questions
    >> above.
    >> --
    >> ~PA Bear
    >>
    >>
    >> Homer wrote:
    >>> Thanks for all of your help on this problem. I downloaded IE8 on all 3
    >>> of
    >>> my machines following all of your instructions. The day following my
    >>> installation on one of my machines I started having NAV launch on the
    >>> desktop by itself. I've several chat sessions with Symantec with no
    >>> resolution. They seem to think that the problem is that I have email
    >>> protection turned off. I've always had it turned off on all my machines
    >>> without a problem. This started to happen after I installed IE8. Is
    >>> there
    >>> possibly some connection?
    >>>
    >>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> [Crosspost to IE General]
    >>>>
    >>>> Those with IE7- and/or IE8-specific questions or comments can post to
    >>>> and
    >>>> seek support in IE General newsgroup:
    >>>> microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general
    >>>>
    >>>> On the web:
    >>>> http://www.microsoft.com/communitie...?dg=microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general
    >>>>
    >>>> In your newsreader:
    >>>> news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general
    >>>>
    >>>> Resources:
    >>>>
    >>>> Hyperlinks do not work in Outlook Express after you upgrade to IE7
    >>>> [and/or
    >>>> IE8]
    >>>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/929867
    >>>>
    >>>> No-charge support for Internet Explorer 8 installation, set-up and
    >>>> usage
    >>>> (only) is available via telephone (based on your locale) and has been
    >>>> extended until 02 July 2010. Customers must be running Windows XP or
    >>>> Windows Vista in a non-domain environment.
    >>>>
    >>>> => US & CA Residents: 1-866-234-6020
    >>>> => Other locales:
    >>>> https://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?&prid=13043
    >>>>
    >>>> My personal recommendations include:
    >>>>
    >>>> => Install IE8 manually, not via Windows Update/Automatic Updates!! =>
    >>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/internet-explorer/worldwide-sites.aspx
    >>>>
    >>>> NB WinXP users: Save the installer to your desktop, do not Run it.
    >>>> When
    >>>> you're prepared to install IE8, double-click on the saved file.
    >>>>
    >>>> NB Vista users: Save the installer to your desktop, do not Run it.
    >>>> When
    >>>> you're prepared to install IE8, right-click on the saved file and
    >>>> select
    >>>> Run as Administator.
    >>>>
    >>>> => Uninstall all third-party toolbars (e.g., Google; Yahoo; Windows
    >>>> Live)
    >>>> and third-party Windows Themes before installing IE8.
    >>>>
    >>>> => Close all open applications (i.e., anything with a taskbar icon)
    >>>> before
    >>>> installing or uninstalling IE8.
    >>>>
    >>>> => I would strongly recommend disabling your anti-virus application and
    >>>> any
    >>>> anti-spyware application's "system protections" (other than Defender's)
    >>>> before installing (or uninstalling) an IE upgrade. If you're running a
    >>>> third-party firewall, I would recommend disabling it and then enabling
    >>>> the
    >>>> Windows Firewall before installing (or uninstalling) an IE upgrade.
    >>>>
    >>>> => Create a Restore Point manually before installing IE8. [Do NOT use
    >>>> System Restore to remove/uninstall IE8; instead, see
    >>>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/957700. Then use the Restore Point
    >>>> prior
    >>>> to reinstalling IE8 per these recommendations. Norton users will need
    >>>> to
    >>>> see http://bertk.mvps.org/html/symantecdoc1.html.]
    >>>>
    >>>> NB WinXP users=> Reboot twice after installing or uninstalling IE8,
    >>>> then
    >>>> go
    >>>> to http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com | Select CUSTOM and scan |
    >>>> Install
    >>>> any Critical Security Updates offered (i.e., KB976325). If a Root
    >>>> Certificates update is listed in the Optional Updates category, install
    >>>> it
    >>>> to take full advantage of IE's enhanced security.
    >>>>
    >>>> NB Vista users=> Reboot twice after installing or uninstalling IE8,
    >>>> then
    >>>> check-in at Windows Update and install any critical security updates
    >>>> offered.
    >>>>
    >>>> => For best chance of success with IE8, make certain that your
    >>>> anti-virus
    >>>> application version, any anti-spyware applications (other than
    >>>> Defender),
    >>>> and your third-party firewall (if any) are supported in IE8 before you
    >>>> decide install it.
    >>>> --
    >>>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
    >>>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Homer wrote:
    >>>>> I currently am running IE 6 however there are a number of sites that I
    >>>>> go
    >>>>> to
    >>>>> frequently that just don't function properly. I would like to upgrade
    >>>>> to
    >>>>> IE
    >>>>> 8 but I had such problems with IE 7, especially regarding Outlook
    >>>>> Express
    >>>>> that I'm concerned about installing IE 8. I've also read about
    >>>>> problems
    >>>>> with IE 8 as well. Is there any justification for my concern?
    >>>>
    >>>> .

    >>
    >> .
     
  14. Homer

    Homer Flightless Bird

    Thanks again for all your help on this problem. I followed your instructions
    to the letter and
    I'm still having the problem. I just find it hard to believe that this
    doesn't have something
    to do with the installation of IE8. It started happening right after I
    installed it.

    Thanks again. I appears that I'm just going to have to live with this.

    "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:

    > 1. Download the Norton Removal Tool, saving it to your desktop:
    > ftp://ftp.symantec.com/public/english_us_canada/removal_tools/Norton_Removal_Tool.exe
    >
    > 2. Close any open applications (i.e., anything with an icon on the taskbar).
    >
    > 3. After making certain you have a copy of your Product Key handy, uninstall
    > NAV & LiveUpdate via Add/Remove Programs & reboot.
    >
    > 4. IMPORTANT! => Make certain that the Windows Firewall is enabled.
    >
    > NB: You're "working without a net" now: Don't to ANYTHING else online (e.g.,
    > browsing; reading email; chatting) until you've completed Step #7 below!
    >
    > 5. Double-click on the file you saved in Step #1 above to run the utility.
    > Don't TOUCH your keyboard until the run completes, then reboot again.
    >
    > 6. Do a clean install of NAV 2010 using your Product ID & reboot:
    > http://www.symantec.com/norton/support/kb/web_view.jsp?wv_type=public_web&docurl=20080514162318EN
    >
    > TIP: Do not enable or install any Norton Add-ons (e.g., Norton
    > Anti-Phishing) just yet.
    >
    > 7. Manually and repeatedly run LiveUpdate until you get a "no more updates"
    > prompt.
    >
    > 8. Test.
    >
    >
    > Homer wrote:
    > > The machine that it happens on is a Dell laptop running windows XP
    > >
    > > All 3 of my machines are running NAV and the subscriptions and updates are
    > > all current.
    > >
    > > I didn't have any trial anti-virus installed on any of them.
    > >
    > > It's just odd that this started happening right after I installed IE8.
    > >
    > > I orginally misspoke. NAV launches and the window is minimized on the
    > > task
    > > bar. I really don't think
    > > it has anything to do with email protection. I've had it turned on and it
    > > is still launching.
    > >
    > > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:
    > >
    > >> Thread history per Google Groups archive:
    > >> http://groups.google.com/group/micr...er.general/browse_frm/thread/a223d41fb3bba4e3
    > >>
    > >>> ...The day following my
    > >>> installation on one of my machines I started having NAV launch on the
    > >>> desktop by itself...
    > >>
    > >> Which computer & Windows version?
    > >>
    > >> Assuming NAV is installed on all three computers, did a Norton (or
    > >> McAfee)
    > >> free trial come preinstalled on any of them?
    > >>
    > >>> ...I've several chat sessions with Symantec with no
    > >>> resolution. They seem to think that the problem is that I have email
    > >>> protection turned off. I've always had it turned off on all my machines
    > >>> without a problem.
    > >>
    > >> Symantec Support's blowing smoke up your kilt. Email scanning provides
    > >> no
    > >> additional protection and even Symantec has said that it's not necessary:
    > >>
    > >> <QP>
    > >> Disabling Email Scanning does not leave you unprotected against viruses
    > >> that are distributed as email attachments. Norton AntiVirus Auto-Protect
    > >> scans incoming files as they are saved to your hard drive, including
    > >> email
    > >> and email attachments. Email Scanning is just another layer on top of
    > >> this. To make sure that Auto-Protect is providing the maximum protection,
    > >> keep Auto-Protect enabled and run LiveUpdate regularly to ensure that you
    > >> have the most recent virus definitions.
    > >> </QP>
    > >> http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT/nav.nsf/docid/2002111812533106
    > >>
    > >>> ...This started to happen after I installed IE8. Is there
    > >>> possibly some connection?
    > >>
    > >> IMHO, not a chance, Homer. That being said, please answer the 2
    > >> questions
    > >> above.
    > >> --
    > >> ~PA Bear
    > >>
    > >>
    > >> Homer wrote:
    > >>> Thanks for all of your help on this problem. I downloaded IE8 on all 3
    > >>> of
    > >>> my machines following all of your instructions. The day following my
    > >>> installation on one of my machines I started having NAV launch on the
    > >>> desktop by itself. I've several chat sessions with Symantec with no
    > >>> resolution. They seem to think that the problem is that I have email
    > >>> protection turned off. I've always had it turned off on all my machines
    > >>> without a problem. This started to happen after I installed IE8. Is
    > >>> there
    > >>> possibly some connection?
    > >>>
    > >>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:
    > >>>
    > >>>> [Crosspost to IE General]
    > >>>>
    > >>>> Those with IE7- and/or IE8-specific questions or comments can post to
    > >>>> and
    > >>>> seek support in IE General newsgroup:
    > >>>> microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general
    > >>>>
    > >>>> On the web:
    > >>>> http://www.microsoft.com/communitie...?dg=microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general
    > >>>>
    > >>>> In your newsreader:
    > >>>> news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general
    > >>>>
    > >>>> Resources:
    > >>>>
    > >>>> Hyperlinks do not work in Outlook Express after you upgrade to IE7
    > >>>> [and/or
    > >>>> IE8]
    > >>>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/929867
    > >>>>
    > >>>> No-charge support for Internet Explorer 8 installation, set-up and
    > >>>> usage
    > >>>> (only) is available via telephone (based on your locale) and has been
    > >>>> extended until 02 July 2010. Customers must be running Windows XP or
    > >>>> Windows Vista in a non-domain environment.
    > >>>>
    > >>>> => US & CA Residents: 1-866-234-6020
    > >>>> => Other locales:
    > >>>> https://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?&prid=13043
    > >>>>
    > >>>> My personal recommendations include:
    > >>>>
    > >>>> => Install IE8 manually, not via Windows Update/Automatic Updates!! =>
    > >>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/internet-explorer/worldwide-sites.aspx
    > >>>>
    > >>>> NB WinXP users: Save the installer to your desktop, do not Run it.
    > >>>> When
    > >>>> you're prepared to install IE8, double-click on the saved file.
    > >>>>
    > >>>> NB Vista users: Save the installer to your desktop, do not Run it.
    > >>>> When
    > >>>> you're prepared to install IE8, right-click on the saved file and
    > >>>> select
    > >>>> Run as Administator.
    > >>>>
    > >>>> => Uninstall all third-party toolbars (e.g., Google; Yahoo; Windows
    > >>>> Live)
    > >>>> and third-party Windows Themes before installing IE8.
    > >>>>
    > >>>> => Close all open applications (i.e., anything with a taskbar icon)
    > >>>> before
    > >>>> installing or uninstalling IE8.
    > >>>>
    > >>>> => I would strongly recommend disabling your anti-virus application and
    > >>>> any
    > >>>> anti-spyware application's "system protections" (other than Defender's)
    > >>>> before installing (or uninstalling) an IE upgrade. If you're running a
    > >>>> third-party firewall, I would recommend disabling it and then enabling
    > >>>> the
    > >>>> Windows Firewall before installing (or uninstalling) an IE upgrade.
    > >>>>
    > >>>> => Create a Restore Point manually before installing IE8. [Do NOT use
    > >>>> System Restore to remove/uninstall IE8; instead, see
    > >>>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/957700. Then use the Restore Point
    > >>>> prior
    > >>>> to reinstalling IE8 per these recommendations. Norton users will need
    > >>>> to
    > >>>> see http://bertk.mvps.org/html/symantecdoc1.html.]
    > >>>>
    > >>>> NB WinXP users=> Reboot twice after installing or uninstalling IE8,
    > >>>> then
    > >>>> go
    > >>>> to http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com | Select CUSTOM and scan |
    > >>>> Install
    > >>>> any Critical Security Updates offered (i.e., KB976325). If a Root
    > >>>> Certificates update is listed in the Optional Updates category, install
    > >>>> it
    > >>>> to take full advantage of IE's enhanced security.
    > >>>>
    > >>>> NB Vista users=> Reboot twice after installing or uninstalling IE8,
    > >>>> then
    > >>>> check-in at Windows Update and install any critical security updates
    > >>>> offered.
    > >>>>
    > >>>> => For best chance of success with IE8, make certain that your
    > >>>> anti-virus
    > >>>> application version, any anti-spyware applications (other than
    > >>>> Defender),
    > >>>> and your third-party firewall (if any) are supported in IE8 before you
    > >>>> decide install it.
    > >>>> --
    > >>>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
    > >>>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002
    > >>>>
    > >>>>
    > >>>> Homer wrote:
    > >>>>> I currently am running IE 6 however there are a number of sites that I
    > >>>>> go
    > >>>>> to
    > >>>>> frequently that just don't function properly. I would like to upgrade
    > >>>>> to
    > >>>>> IE
    > >>>>> 8 but I had such problems with IE 7, especially regarding Outlook
    > >>>>> Express
    > >>>>> that I'm concerned about installing IE 8. I've also read about
    > >>>>> problems
    > >>>>> with IE 8 as well. Is there any justification for my concern?
    > >>>>
    > >>>> .
    > >>
    > >> .

    >
    > .
    >
     
  15. PA Bear [MS MVP]

    PA Bear [MS MVP] Flightless Bird

    [Thread history:
    http://groups.google.com/group/micr...6.browser/browse_frm/thread/fd846fe0f167a385]

    > I'm still having the problem


    Which/what problem?

    Are you now running NAV 2010 and is it working properly, as far as you know?

    > I just find it hard to believe that this doesn't have something
    > to do with the installation of IE8. It started happening right after I
    > installed it.


    This long thread started with you stating, "I currently am running IE 6
    however there are a number of sites that I go to
    frequently that just don't function properly." IOW, you were having a
    problem with "a number of sites" before you installed IE8, Homer.

    Speaking of which, what sites are they?


    Homer wrote:
    > Thanks again for all your help on this problem. I followed your
    > instructions to the letter and
    > I'm still having the problem. I just find it hard to believe that this
    > doesn't have something
    > to do with the installation of IE8. It started happening right after I
    > installed it.
    >
    > Thanks again. I appears that I'm just going to have to live with this.
    >
    > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:
    >> 1. Download the Norton Removal Tool, saving it to your desktop:
    >> ftp://ftp.symantec.com/public/english_us_canada/removal_tools/Norton_Removal_Tool.exe
    >>
    >> 2. Close any open applications (i.e., anything with an icon on the
    >> taskbar).
    >>
    >> 3. After making certain you have a copy of your Product Key handy,
    >> uninstall NAV & LiveUpdate via Add/Remove Programs & reboot.
    >>
    >> 4. IMPORTANT! => Make certain that the Windows Firewall is enabled.
    >>
    >> NB: You're "working without a net" now: Don't to ANYTHING else online
    >> (e.g., browsing; reading email; chatting) until you've completed Step #7
    >> below!
    >>
    >> 5. Double-click on the file you saved in Step #1 above to run the
    >> utility.
    >> Don't TOUCH your keyboard until the run completes, then reboot again.
    >>
    >> 6. Do a clean install of NAV 2010 using your Product ID & reboot:
    >> http://www.symantec.com/norton/support/kb/web_view.jsp?wv_type=public_web&docurl=20080514162318EN
    >>
    >> TIP: Do not enable or install any Norton Add-ons (e.g., Norton
    >> Anti-Phishing) just yet.
    >>
    >> 7. Manually and repeatedly run LiveUpdate until you get a "no more
    >> updates"
    >> prompt.
    >>
    >> 8. Test.
    >>
    >>
    >> Homer wrote:
    >>> The machine that it happens on is a Dell laptop running windows XP
    >>>
    >>> All 3 of my machines are running NAV and the subscriptions and updates
    >>> are
    >>> all current.
    >>>
    >>> I didn't have any trial anti-virus installed on any of them.
    >>>
    >>> It's just odd that this started happening right after I installed IE8.
    >>>
    >>> I orginally misspoke. NAV launches and the window is minimized on the
    >>> task
    >>> bar. I really don't think
    >>> it has anything to do with email protection. I've had it turned on and
    >>> it
    >>> is still launching.
    >>>
    >>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>> ...The day following my
    >>>>> installation on one of my machines I started having NAV launch on the
    >>>>> desktop by itself...
    >>>>
    >>>> Which computer & Windows version?
    >>>>
    >>>> Assuming NAV is installed on all three computers, did a Norton (or
    >>>> McAfee)
    >>>> free trial come preinstalled on any of them?
    >>>>
    >>>>> ...I've several chat sessions with Symantec with no
    >>>>> resolution. They seem to think that the problem is that I have email
    >>>>> protection turned off. I've always had it turned off on all my
    >>>>> machines
    >>>>> without a problem.
    >>>>
    >>>> Symantec Support's blowing smoke up your kilt. Email scanning provides
    >>>> no
    >>>> additional protection and even Symantec has said that it's not
    >>>> necessary:
    >>>>
    >>>> <QP>
    >>>> Disabling Email Scanning does not leave you unprotected against viruses
    >>>> that are distributed as email attachments. Norton AntiVirus
    >>>> Auto-Protect
    >>>> scans incoming files as they are saved to your hard drive, including
    >>>> email
    >>>> and email attachments. Email Scanning is just another layer on top of
    >>>> this. To make sure that Auto-Protect is providing the maximum
    >>>> protection,
    >>>> keep Auto-Protect enabled and run LiveUpdate regularly to ensure that
    >>>> you
    >>>> have the most recent virus definitions.
    >>>> </QP>
    >>>> http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT/nav.nsf/docid/2002111812533106
    >>>>
    >>>>> ...This started to happen after I installed IE8. Is there
    >>>>> possibly some connection?
    >>>>
    >>>> IMHO, not a chance, Homer. That being said, please answer the 2
    >>>> questions
    >>>> above.
    >>>> --
    >>>> ~PA Bear
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Homer wrote:
    >>>>> Thanks for all of your help on this problem. I downloaded IE8 on all
    >>>>> 3
    >>>>> of
    >>>>> my machines following all of your instructions. The day following my
    >>>>> installation on one of my machines I started having NAV launch on the
    >>>>> desktop by itself. I've several chat sessions with Symantec with no
    >>>>> resolution. They seem to think that the problem is that I have email
    >>>>> protection turned off. I've always had it turned off on all my
    >>>>> machines
    >>>>> without a problem. This started to happen after I installed IE8. Is
    >>>>> there
    >>>>> possibly some connection?
    >>>>>
    >>>>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> [Crosspost to IE General]
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Those with IE7- and/or IE8-specific questions or comments can post to
    >>>>>> and
    >>>>>> seek support in IE General newsgroup:
    >>>>>> microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> On the web:
    >>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/communitie...?dg=microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> In your newsreader:
    >>>>>> news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Resources:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Hyperlinks do not work in Outlook Express after you upgrade to IE7
    >>>>>> [and/or
    >>>>>> IE8]
    >>>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/929867
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> No-charge support for Internet Explorer 8 installation, set-up and
    >>>>>> usage
    >>>>>> (only) is available via telephone (based on your locale) and has been
    >>>>>> extended until 02 July 2010. Customers must be running Windows XP or
    >>>>>> Windows Vista in a non-domain environment.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> => US & CA Residents: 1-866-234-6020
    >>>>>> => Other locales:
    >>>>>> https://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?&prid=13043
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> My personal recommendations include:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> => Install IE8 manually, not via Windows Update/Automatic Updates!!
    >>>>>> =>
    >>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/internet-explorer/worldwide-sites.aspx
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> NB WinXP users: Save the installer to your desktop, do not Run it.
    >>>>>> When
    >>>>>> you're prepared to install IE8, double-click on the saved file.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> NB Vista users: Save the installer to your desktop, do not Run it.
    >>>>>> When
    >>>>>> you're prepared to install IE8, right-click on the saved file and
    >>>>>> select
    >>>>>> Run as Administator.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> => Uninstall all third-party toolbars (e.g., Google; Yahoo; Windows
    >>>>>> Live)
    >>>>>> and third-party Windows Themes before installing IE8.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> => Close all open applications (i.e., anything with a taskbar icon)
    >>>>>> before
    >>>>>> installing or uninstalling IE8.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> => I would strongly recommend disabling your anti-virus application
    >>>>>> and
    >>>>>> any
    >>>>>> anti-spyware application's "system protections" (other than
    >>>>>> Defender's)
    >>>>>> before installing (or uninstalling) an IE upgrade. If you're running
    >>>>>> a
    >>>>>> third-party firewall, I would recommend disabling it and then
    >>>>>> enabling
    >>>>>> the
    >>>>>> Windows Firewall before installing (or uninstalling) an IE upgrade.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> => Create a Restore Point manually before installing IE8. [Do NOT
    >>>>>> use
    >>>>>> System Restore to remove/uninstall IE8; instead, see
    >>>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/957700. Then use the Restore Point
    >>>>>> prior
    >>>>>> to reinstalling IE8 per these recommendations. Norton users will
    >>>>>> need
    >>>>>> to
    >>>>>> see http://bertk.mvps.org/html/symantecdoc1.html.]
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> NB WinXP users=> Reboot twice after installing or uninstalling IE8,
    >>>>>> then
    >>>>>> go
    >>>>>> to http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com | Select CUSTOM and scan |
    >>>>>> Install
    >>>>>> any Critical Security Updates offered (i.e., KB976325). If a Root
    >>>>>> Certificates update is listed in the Optional Updates category,
    >>>>>> install
    >>>>>> it
    >>>>>> to take full advantage of IE's enhanced security.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> NB Vista users=> Reboot twice after installing or uninstalling IE8,
    >>>>>> then
    >>>>>> check-in at Windows Update and install any critical security updates
    >>>>>> offered.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> => For best chance of success with IE8, make certain that your
    >>>>>> anti-virus
    >>>>>> application version, any anti-spyware applications (other than
    >>>>>> Defender),
    >>>>>> and your third-party firewall (if any) are supported in IE8 before
    >>>>>> you
    >>>>>> decide install it.
    >>>>>> --
    >>>>>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
    >>>>>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Homer wrote:
    >>>>>>> I currently am running IE 6 however there are a number of sites that
    >>>>>>> I
    >>>>>>> go
    >>>>>>> to
    >>>>>>> frequently that just don't function properly. I would like to
    >>>>>>> upgrade
    >>>>>>> to
    >>>>>>> IE
    >>>>>>> 8 but I had such problems with IE 7, especially regarding Outlook
    >>>>>>> Express
    >>>>>>> that I'm concerned about installing IE 8. I've also read about
    >>>>>>> problems
    >>>>>>> with IE 8 as well. Is there any justification for my concern?
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> .
    >>>>
    >>>> .

    >>
    >> .
     
  16. Homer

    Homer Flightless Bird

    Sorry about the confusion. I did start the string by asking about possible
    problems with
    IE8. At one time, while I had automatic updates activated, IE7 got
    installed and it caused
    me problems with Outlook Express. I eventually wound up unistalling IE7.
    For some time
    now there have been sites that I've gone to that have said that I couldn't
    fully utilize their
    site unless I had IE7 or higher. I don't remember the actual sites but very
    recently I
    received that same type message from Direct TV. com. So I thought I might
    venture into
    installing IE8. I follow the instructions you provided and everything
    appeared to be fine.
    Then my one laptop started launching NAV minimized on the task bar. This
    started
    happening almost imediately after installing IE8. I just assumed that is
    what caused this
    to happen. There's no pattern that I can see that causes this to happen.
    The machine
    has been setting idle and I opened the top and NAV was minimized on the task
    bar.

    I am running NAV 2010 on this machine and my desktop. I'm running Norton
    internet
    security on a mini laptop.

    "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:

    > [Thread history:
    > http://groups.google.com/group/micr...6.browser/browse_frm/thread/fd846fe0f167a385]
    >
    > > I'm still having the problem

    >
    > Which/what problem?
    >
    > Are you now running NAV 2010 and is it working properly, as far as you know?
    >
    > > I just find it hard to believe that this doesn't have something
    > > to do with the installation of IE8. It started happening right after I
    > > installed it.

    >
    > This long thread started with you stating, "I currently am running IE 6
    > however there are a number of sites that I go to
    > frequently that just don't function properly." IOW, you were having a
    > problem with "a number of sites" before you installed IE8, Homer.
    >
    > Speaking of which, what sites are they?
    >
    >
    > Homer wrote:
    > > Thanks again for all your help on this problem. I followed your
    > > instructions to the letter and
    > > I'm still having the problem. I just find it hard to believe that this
    > > doesn't have something
    > > to do with the installation of IE8. It started happening right after I
    > > installed it.
    > >
    > > Thanks again. I appears that I'm just going to have to live with this.
    > >
    > > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:
    > >> 1. Download the Norton Removal Tool, saving it to your desktop:
    > >> ftp://ftp.symantec.com/public/english_us_canada/removal_tools/Norton_Removal_Tool.exe
    > >>
    > >> 2. Close any open applications (i.e., anything with an icon on the
    > >> taskbar).
    > >>
    > >> 3. After making certain you have a copy of your Product Key handy,
    > >> uninstall NAV & LiveUpdate via Add/Remove Programs & reboot.
    > >>
    > >> 4. IMPORTANT! => Make certain that the Windows Firewall is enabled.
    > >>
    > >> NB: You're "working without a net" now: Don't to ANYTHING else online
    > >> (e.g., browsing; reading email; chatting) until you've completed Step #7
    > >> below!
    > >>
    > >> 5. Double-click on the file you saved in Step #1 above to run the
    > >> utility.
    > >> Don't TOUCH your keyboard until the run completes, then reboot again.
    > >>
    > >> 6. Do a clean install of NAV 2010 using your Product ID & reboot:
    > >> http://www.symantec.com/norton/support/kb/web_view.jsp?wv_type=public_web&docurl=20080514162318EN
    > >>
    > >> TIP: Do not enable or install any Norton Add-ons (e.g., Norton
    > >> Anti-Phishing) just yet.
    > >>
    > >> 7. Manually and repeatedly run LiveUpdate until you get a "no more
    > >> updates"
    > >> prompt.
    > >>
    > >> 8. Test.
    > >>
    > >>
    > >> Homer wrote:
    > >>> The machine that it happens on is a Dell laptop running windows XP
    > >>>
    > >>> All 3 of my machines are running NAV and the subscriptions and updates
    > >>> are
    > >>> all current.
    > >>>
    > >>> I didn't have any trial anti-virus installed on any of them.
    > >>>
    > >>> It's just odd that this started happening right after I installed IE8.
    > >>>
    > >>> I orginally misspoke. NAV launches and the window is minimized on the
    > >>> task
    > >>> bar. I really don't think
    > >>> it has anything to do with email protection. I've had it turned on and
    > >>> it
    > >>> is still launching.
    > >>>
    > >>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:
    > >>>>
    > >>>>> ...The day following my
    > >>>>> installation on one of my machines I started having NAV launch on the
    > >>>>> desktop by itself...
    > >>>>
    > >>>> Which computer & Windows version?
    > >>>>
    > >>>> Assuming NAV is installed on all three computers, did a Norton (or
    > >>>> McAfee)
    > >>>> free trial come preinstalled on any of them?
    > >>>>
    > >>>>> ...I've several chat sessions with Symantec with no
    > >>>>> resolution. They seem to think that the problem is that I have email
    > >>>>> protection turned off. I've always had it turned off on all my
    > >>>>> machines
    > >>>>> without a problem.
    > >>>>
    > >>>> Symantec Support's blowing smoke up your kilt. Email scanning provides
    > >>>> no
    > >>>> additional protection and even Symantec has said that it's not
    > >>>> necessary:
    > >>>>
    > >>>> <QP>
    > >>>> Disabling Email Scanning does not leave you unprotected against viruses
    > >>>> that are distributed as email attachments. Norton AntiVirus
    > >>>> Auto-Protect
    > >>>> scans incoming files as they are saved to your hard drive, including
    > >>>> email
    > >>>> and email attachments. Email Scanning is just another layer on top of
    > >>>> this. To make sure that Auto-Protect is providing the maximum
    > >>>> protection,
    > >>>> keep Auto-Protect enabled and run LiveUpdate regularly to ensure that
    > >>>> you
    > >>>> have the most recent virus definitions.
    > >>>> </QP>
    > >>>> http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT/nav.nsf/docid/2002111812533106
    > >>>>
    > >>>>> ...This started to happen after I installed IE8. Is there
    > >>>>> possibly some connection?
    > >>>>
    > >>>> IMHO, not a chance, Homer. That being said, please answer the 2
    > >>>> questions
    > >>>> above.
    > >>>> --
    > >>>> ~PA Bear
    > >>>>
    > >>>>
    > >>>> Homer wrote:
    > >>>>> Thanks for all of your help on this problem. I downloaded IE8 on all
    > >>>>> 3
    > >>>>> of
    > >>>>> my machines following all of your instructions. The day following my
    > >>>>> installation on one of my machines I started having NAV launch on the
    > >>>>> desktop by itself. I've several chat sessions with Symantec with no
    > >>>>> resolution. They seem to think that the problem is that I have email
    > >>>>> protection turned off. I've always had it turned off on all my
    > >>>>> machines
    > >>>>> without a problem. This started to happen after I installed IE8. Is
    > >>>>> there
    > >>>>> possibly some connection?
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>> [Crosspost to IE General]
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>> Those with IE7- and/or IE8-specific questions or comments can post to
    > >>>>>> and
    > >>>>>> seek support in IE General newsgroup:
    > >>>>>> microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>> On the web:
    > >>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/communitie...?dg=microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>> In your newsreader:
    > >>>>>> news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>> Resources:
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>> Hyperlinks do not work in Outlook Express after you upgrade to IE7
    > >>>>>> [and/or
    > >>>>>> IE8]
    > >>>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/929867
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>> No-charge support for Internet Explorer 8 installation, set-up and
    > >>>>>> usage
    > >>>>>> (only) is available via telephone (based on your locale) and has been
    > >>>>>> extended until 02 July 2010. Customers must be running Windows XP or
    > >>>>>> Windows Vista in a non-domain environment.
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>> => US & CA Residents: 1-866-234-6020
    > >>>>>> => Other locales:
    > >>>>>> https://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?&prid=13043
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>> My personal recommendations include:
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>> => Install IE8 manually, not via Windows Update/Automatic Updates!!
    > >>>>>> =>
    > >>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/internet-explorer/worldwide-sites.aspx
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>> NB WinXP users: Save the installer to your desktop, do not Run it.
    > >>>>>> When
    > >>>>>> you're prepared to install IE8, double-click on the saved file.
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>> NB Vista users: Save the installer to your desktop, do not Run it.
    > >>>>>> When
    > >>>>>> you're prepared to install IE8, right-click on the saved file and
    > >>>>>> select
    > >>>>>> Run as Administator.
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>> => Uninstall all third-party toolbars (e.g., Google; Yahoo; Windows
    > >>>>>> Live)
    > >>>>>> and third-party Windows Themes before installing IE8.
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>> => Close all open applications (i.e., anything with a taskbar icon)
    > >>>>>> before
    > >>>>>> installing or uninstalling IE8.
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>> => I would strongly recommend disabling your anti-virus application
    > >>>>>> and
    > >>>>>> any
    > >>>>>> anti-spyware application's "system protections" (other than
    > >>>>>> Defender's)
    > >>>>>> before installing (or uninstalling) an IE upgrade. If you're running
    > >>>>>> a
    > >>>>>> third-party firewall, I would recommend disabling it and then
    > >>>>>> enabling
    > >>>>>> the
    > >>>>>> Windows Firewall before installing (or uninstalling) an IE upgrade.
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>> => Create a Restore Point manually before installing IE8. [Do NOT
    > >>>>>> use
    > >>>>>> System Restore to remove/uninstall IE8; instead, see
    > >>>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/957700. Then use the Restore Point
    > >>>>>> prior
    > >>>>>> to reinstalling IE8 per these recommendations. Norton users will
    > >>>>>> need
    > >>>>>> to
    > >>>>>> see http://bertk.mvps.org/html/symantecdoc1.html.]
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>> NB WinXP users=> Reboot twice after installing or uninstalling IE8,
    > >>>>>> then
    > >>>>>> go
    > >>>>>> to http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com | Select CUSTOM and scan |
    > >>>>>> Install
    > >>>>>> any Critical Security Updates offered (i.e., KB976325). If a Root
    > >>>>>> Certificates update is listed in the Optional Updates category,
    > >>>>>> install
    > >>>>>> it
    > >>>>>> to take full advantage of IE's enhanced security.
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>> NB Vista users=> Reboot twice after installing or uninstalling IE8,
    > >>>>>> then
    > >>>>>> check-in at Windows Update and install any critical security updates
    > >>>>>> offered.
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>> => For best chance of success with IE8, make certain that your
    > >>>>>> anti-virus
    > >>>>>> application version, any anti-spyware applications (other than
    > >>>>>> Defender),
    > >>>>>> and your third-party firewall (if any) are supported in IE8 before
    > >>>>>> you
    > >>>>>> decide install it.
    > >>>>>> --
    > >>>>>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
    > >>>>>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>> Homer wrote:
    > >>>>>>> I currently am running IE 6 however there are a number of sites that
    > >>>>>>> I
    > >>>>>>> go
    > >>>>>>> to
    > >>>>>>> frequently that just don't function properly. I would like to
    > >>>>>>> upgrade
    > >>>>>>> to
    > >>>>>>> IE
    > >>>>>>> 8 but I had such problems with IE 7, especially regarding Outlook
    > >>>>>>> Express
    > >>>>>>> that I'm concerned about installing IE 8. I've also read about
    > >>>>>>> problems
    > >>>>>>> with IE 8 as well. Is there any justification for my concern?
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>> .
    > >>>>
    > >>>> .
    > >>
    > >> .

    >
    > .
    >
     
  17. PA Bear [MS MVP]

    PA Bear [MS MVP] Flightless Bird

    Let's please just discuss the computer where you're having the problem,
    Homer (i.e., not the desktop or mini computer).

    Answer the following questions by number in your reply:

    > Then my one laptop started launching NAV minimized on the task bar.
    > This started happening almost imediately after installing IE8.


    > I am running NAV 2010 on this machine and my desktop. I'm running Norton
    > internet security on a mini laptop.


    1. Am I correct in concluding the you're running NAV 2010 on the laptop
    computer where NAV is now being "minimized to the task bar?" [yes/no]

    2. Did you disable NAV prior to installing IE8 on this laptop computer?
    [yes/no]

    3. Did you uninstall NAV, run the Norton Removal Tool, and then reinstall
    NAV (per Steps #1 through #8 in my previous reply) on this laptop computer?
    [yes/no]

    4. Did a Norton (or McAfee) free trial come preinstalled when you bought
    this laptop computer *and* did you install the paid version of NAV *before*
    the free trial period had expired? [yes/no]


    Homer wrote:
    > Sorry about the confusion. I did start the string by asking about
    > possible
    > problems with
    > IE8. At one time, while I had automatic updates activated, IE7 got
    > installed and it caused
    > me problems with Outlook Express. I eventually wound up unistalling IE7.
    > For some time
    > now there have been sites that I've gone to that have said that I couldn't
    > fully utilize their
    > site unless I had IE7 or higher. I don't remember the actual sites but
    > very
    > recently I
    > received that same type message from Direct TV. com. So I thought I might
    > venture into
    > installing IE8. I follow the instructions you provided and everything
    > appeared to be fine.
    > Then my one laptop started launching NAV minimized on the task bar. This
    > started
    > happening almost imediately after installing IE8. I just assumed that is
    > what caused this
    > to happen. There's no pattern that I can see that causes this to happen.
    > The machine
    > has been setting idle and I opened the top and NAV was minimized on the
    > task
    > bar.
    >
    > I am running NAV 2010 on this machine and my desktop. I'm running Norton
    > internet
    > security on a mini laptop.
    >
    > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:
    >
    >> [Thread history:
    >> http://groups.google.com/group/micr...6.browser/browse_frm/thread/fd846fe0f167a385]
    >>
    >>> I'm still having the problem

    >>
    >> Which/what problem?
    >>
    >> Are you now running NAV 2010 and is it working properly, as far as you
    >> know?
    >>
    >>> I just find it hard to believe that this doesn't have something
    >>> to do with the installation of IE8. It started happening right after I
    >>> installed it.

    >>
    >> This long thread started with you stating, "I currently am running IE 6
    >> however there are a number of sites that I go to
    >> frequently that just don't function properly." IOW, you were having a
    >> problem with "a number of sites" before you installed IE8, Homer.
    >>
    >> Speaking of which, what sites are they?
    >>
    >>
    >> Homer wrote:
    >>> Thanks again for all your help on this problem. I followed your
    >>> instructions to the letter and
    >>> I'm still having the problem. I just find it hard to believe that this
    >>> doesn't have something
    >>> to do with the installation of IE8. It started happening right after I
    >>> installed it.
    >>>
    >>> Thanks again. I appears that I'm just going to have to live with this.
    >>>
    >>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:
    >>>> 1. Download the Norton Removal Tool, saving it to your desktop:
    >>>> ftp://ftp.symantec.com/public/english_us_canada/removal_tools/Norton_Removal_Tool.exe
    >>>>
    >>>> 2. Close any open applications (i.e., anything with an icon on the
    >>>> taskbar).
    >>>>
    >>>> 3. After making certain you have a copy of your Product Key handy,
    >>>> uninstall NAV & LiveUpdate via Add/Remove Programs & reboot.
    >>>>
    >>>> 4. IMPORTANT! => Make certain that the Windows Firewall is enabled.
    >>>>
    >>>> NB: You're "working without a net" now: Don't to ANYTHING else online
    >>>> (e.g., browsing; reading email; chatting) until you've completed Step
    >>>> #7
    >>>> below!
    >>>>
    >>>> 5. Double-click on the file you saved in Step #1 above to run the
    >>>> utility.
    >>>> Don't TOUCH your keyboard until the run completes, then reboot again.
    >>>>
    >>>> 6. Do a clean install of NAV 2010 using your Product ID & reboot:
    >>>> http://www.symantec.com/norton/support/kb/web_view.jsp?wv_type=public_web&docurl=20080514162318EN
    >>>>
    >>>> TIP: Do not enable or install any Norton Add-ons (e.g., Norton
    >>>> Anti-Phishing) just yet.
    >>>>
    >>>> 7. Manually and repeatedly run LiveUpdate until you get a "no more
    >>>> updates"
    >>>> prompt.
    >>>>
    >>>> 8. Test.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Homer wrote:
    >>>>> The machine that it happens on is a Dell laptop running windows XP
    >>>>>
    >>>>> All 3 of my machines are running NAV and the subscriptions and updates
    >>>>> are
    >>>>> all current.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> I didn't have any trial anti-virus installed on any of them.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> It's just odd that this started happening right after I installed IE8.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> I orginally misspoke. NAV launches and the window is minimized on the
    >>>>> task
    >>>>> bar. I really don't think
    >>>>> it has anything to do with email protection. I've had it turned on
    >>>>> and
    >>>>> it
    >>>>> is still launching.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>> ...The day following my
    >>>>>>> installation on one of my machines I started having NAV launch on
    >>>>>>> the
    >>>>>>> desktop by itself...
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Which computer & Windows version?
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Assuming NAV is installed on all three computers, did a Norton (or
    >>>>>> McAfee)
    >>>>>> free trial come preinstalled on any of them?
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>> ...I've several chat sessions with Symantec with no
    >>>>>>> resolution. They seem to think that the problem is that I have email
    >>>>>>> protection turned off. I've always had it turned off on all my
    >>>>>>> machines
    >>>>>>> without a problem.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Symantec Support's blowing smoke up your kilt. Email scanning
    >>>>>> provides
    >>>>>> no
    >>>>>> additional protection and even Symantec has said that it's not
    >>>>>> necessary:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> <QP>
    >>>>>> Disabling Email Scanning does not leave you unprotected against
    >>>>>> viruses
    >>>>>> that are distributed as email attachments. Norton AntiVirus
    >>>>>> Auto-Protect
    >>>>>> scans incoming files as they are saved to your hard drive, including
    >>>>>> email
    >>>>>> and email attachments. Email Scanning is just another layer on top of
    >>>>>> this. To make sure that Auto-Protect is providing the maximum
    >>>>>> protection,
    >>>>>> keep Auto-Protect enabled and run LiveUpdate regularly to ensure that
    >>>>>> you
    >>>>>> have the most recent virus definitions.
    >>>>>> </QP>
    >>>>>> http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT/nav.nsf/docid/2002111812533106
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>> ...This started to happen after I installed IE8. Is there
    >>>>>>> possibly some connection?
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> IMHO, not a chance, Homer. That being said, please answer the 2
    >>>>>> questions
    >>>>>> above.
    >>>>>> --
    >>>>>> ~PA Bear
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Homer wrote:
    >>>>>>> Thanks for all of your help on this problem. I downloaded IE8 on
    >>>>>>> all
    >>>>>>> 3
    >>>>>>> of
    >>>>>>> my machines following all of your instructions. The day following
    >>>>>>> my
    >>>>>>> installation on one of my machines I started having NAV launch on
    >>>>>>> the
    >>>>>>> desktop by itself. I've several chat sessions with Symantec with no
    >>>>>>> resolution. They seem to think that the problem is that I have email
    >>>>>>> protection turned off. I've always had it turned off on all my
    >>>>>>> machines
    >>>>>>> without a problem. This started to happen after I installed IE8. Is
    >>>>>>> there
    >>>>>>> possibly some connection?
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> [Crosspost to IE General]
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> Those with IE7- and/or IE8-specific questions or comments can post
    >>>>>>>> to
    >>>>>>>> and
    >>>>>>>> seek support in IE General newsgroup:
    >>>>>>>> microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> On the web:
    >>>>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/communitie...?dg=microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> In your newsreader:
    >>>>>>>> news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> Resources:
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> Hyperlinks do not work in Outlook Express after you upgrade to IE7
    >>>>>>>> [and/or
    >>>>>>>> IE8]
    >>>>>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/929867
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> No-charge support for Internet Explorer 8 installation, set-up and
    >>>>>>>> usage
    >>>>>>>> (only) is available via telephone (based on your locale) and has
    >>>>>>>> been
    >>>>>>>> extended until 02 July 2010. Customers must be running Windows XP
    >>>>>>>> or
    >>>>>>>> Windows Vista in a non-domain environment.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> => US & CA Residents: 1-866-234-6020
    >>>>>>>> => Other locales:
    >>>>>>>> https://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?&prid=13043
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> My personal recommendations include:
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> => Install IE8 manually, not via Windows Update/Automatic Updates!!
    >>>>>>>> =>
    >>>>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/internet-explorer/worldwide-sites.aspx
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> NB WinXP users: Save the installer to your desktop, do not Run it.
    >>>>>>>> When
    >>>>>>>> you're prepared to install IE8, double-click on the saved file.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> NB Vista users: Save the installer to your desktop, do not Run it.
    >>>>>>>> When
    >>>>>>>> you're prepared to install IE8, right-click on the saved file and
    >>>>>>>> select
    >>>>>>>> Run as Administator.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> => Uninstall all third-party toolbars (e.g., Google; Yahoo; Windows
    >>>>>>>> Live)
    >>>>>>>> and third-party Windows Themes before installing IE8.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> => Close all open applications (i.e., anything with a taskbar icon)
    >>>>>>>> before
    >>>>>>>> installing or uninstalling IE8.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> => I would strongly recommend disabling your anti-virus application
    >>>>>>>> and
    >>>>>>>> any
    >>>>>>>> anti-spyware application's "system protections" (other than
    >>>>>>>> Defender's)
    >>>>>>>> before installing (or uninstalling) an IE upgrade. If you're
    >>>>>>>> running
    >>>>>>>> a
    >>>>>>>> third-party firewall, I would recommend disabling it and then
    >>>>>>>> enabling
    >>>>>>>> the
    >>>>>>>> Windows Firewall before installing (or uninstalling) an IE upgrade.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> => Create a Restore Point manually before installing IE8. [Do NOT
    >>>>>>>> use
    >>>>>>>> System Restore to remove/uninstall IE8; instead, see
    >>>>>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/957700. Then use the Restore Point
    >>>>>>>> prior
    >>>>>>>> to reinstalling IE8 per these recommendations. Norton users will
    >>>>>>>> need
    >>>>>>>> to
    >>>>>>>> see http://bertk.mvps.org/html/symantecdoc1.html.]
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> NB WinXP users=> Reboot twice after installing or uninstalling IE8,
    >>>>>>>> then
    >>>>>>>> go
    >>>>>>>> to http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com | Select CUSTOM and scan |
    >>>>>>>> Install
    >>>>>>>> any Critical Security Updates offered (i.e., KB976325). If a Root
    >>>>>>>> Certificates update is listed in the Optional Updates category,
    >>>>>>>> install
    >>>>>>>> it
    >>>>>>>> to take full advantage of IE's enhanced security.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> NB Vista users=> Reboot twice after installing or uninstalling IE8,
    >>>>>>>> then
    >>>>>>>> check-in at Windows Update and install any critical security
    >>>>>>>> updates
    >>>>>>>> offered.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> => For best chance of success with IE8, make certain that your
    >>>>>>>> anti-virus
    >>>>>>>> application version, any anti-spyware applications (other than
    >>>>>>>> Defender),
    >>>>>>>> and your third-party firewall (if any) are supported in IE8 before
    >>>>>>>> you
    >>>>>>>> decide install it.
    >>>>>>>> --
    >>>>>>>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
    >>>>>>>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> Homer wrote:
    >>>>>>>>> I currently am running IE 6 however there are a number of sites
    >>>>>>>>> that
    >>>>>>>>> I
    >>>>>>>>> go
    >>>>>>>>> to
    >>>>>>>>> frequently that just don't function properly. I would like to
    >>>>>>>>> upgrade
    >>>>>>>>> to
    >>>>>>>>> IE
    >>>>>>>>> 8 but I had such problems with IE 7, especially regarding Outlook
    >>>>>>>>> Express
    >>>>>>>>> that I'm concerned about installing IE 8. I've also read about
    >>>>>>>>> problems
    >>>>>>>>> with IE 8 as well. Is there any justification for my concern?
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> .
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> .
    >>>>
    >>>> .

    >>
    >> .
     
  18. Homer

    Homer Flightless Bird

    1. yes
    2. yes
    3. yes
    4. nothing pre-installed. I purchased and installed NAV

    "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:

    > Let's please just discuss the computer where you're having the problem,
    > Homer (i.e., not the desktop or mini computer).
    >
    > Answer the following questions by number in your reply:
    >
    > > Then my one laptop started launching NAV minimized on the task bar.
    > > This started happening almost imediately after installing IE8.

    >
    > > I am running NAV 2010 on this machine and my desktop. I'm running Norton
    > > internet security on a mini laptop.

    >
    > 1. Am I correct in concluding the you're running NAV 2010 on the laptop
    > computer where NAV is now being "minimized to the task bar?" [yes/no]
    >
    > 2. Did you disable NAV prior to installing IE8 on this laptop computer?
    > [yes/no]
    >
    > 3. Did you uninstall NAV, run the Norton Removal Tool, and then reinstall
    > NAV (per Steps #1 through #8 in my previous reply) on this laptop computer?
    > [yes/no]
    >
    > 4. Did a Norton (or McAfee) free trial come preinstalled when you bought
    > this laptop computer *and* did you install the paid version of NAV *before*
    > the free trial period had expired? [yes/no]
    >
    >
    > Homer wrote:
    > > Sorry about the confusion. I did start the string by asking about
    > > possible
    > > problems with
    > > IE8. At one time, while I had automatic updates activated, IE7 got
    > > installed and it caused
    > > me problems with Outlook Express. I eventually wound up unistalling IE7.
    > > For some time
    > > now there have been sites that I've gone to that have said that I couldn't
    > > fully utilize their
    > > site unless I had IE7 or higher. I don't remember the actual sites but
    > > very
    > > recently I
    > > received that same type message from Direct TV. com. So I thought I might
    > > venture into
    > > installing IE8. I follow the instructions you provided and everything
    > > appeared to be fine.
    > > Then my one laptop started launching NAV minimized on the task bar. This
    > > started
    > > happening almost imediately after installing IE8. I just assumed that is
    > > what caused this
    > > to happen. There's no pattern that I can see that causes this to happen.
    > > The machine
    > > has been setting idle and I opened the top and NAV was minimized on the
    > > task
    > > bar.
    > >
    > > I am running NAV 2010 on this machine and my desktop. I'm running Norton
    > > internet
    > > security on a mini laptop.
    > >
    > > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:
    > >
    > >> [Thread history:
    > >> http://groups.google.com/group/micr...6.browser/browse_frm/thread/fd846fe0f167a385]
    > >>
    > >>> I'm still having the problem
    > >>
    > >> Which/what problem?
    > >>
    > >> Are you now running NAV 2010 and is it working properly, as far as you
    > >> know?
    > >>
    > >>> I just find it hard to believe that this doesn't have something
    > >>> to do with the installation of IE8. It started happening right after I
    > >>> installed it.
    > >>
    > >> This long thread started with you stating, "I currently am running IE 6
    > >> however there are a number of sites that I go to
    > >> frequently that just don't function properly." IOW, you were having a
    > >> problem with "a number of sites" before you installed IE8, Homer.
    > >>
    > >> Speaking of which, what sites are they?
    > >>
    > >>
    > >> Homer wrote:
    > >>> Thanks again for all your help on this problem. I followed your
    > >>> instructions to the letter and
    > >>> I'm still having the problem. I just find it hard to believe that this
    > >>> doesn't have something
    > >>> to do with the installation of IE8. It started happening right after I
    > >>> installed it.
    > >>>
    > >>> Thanks again. I appears that I'm just going to have to live with this.
    > >>>
    > >>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:
    > >>>> 1. Download the Norton Removal Tool, saving it to your desktop:
    > >>>> ftp://ftp.symantec.com/public/english_us_canada/removal_tools/Norton_Removal_Tool.exe
    > >>>>
    > >>>> 2. Close any open applications (i.e., anything with an icon on the
    > >>>> taskbar).
    > >>>>
    > >>>> 3. After making certain you have a copy of your Product Key handy,
    > >>>> uninstall NAV & LiveUpdate via Add/Remove Programs & reboot.
    > >>>>
    > >>>> 4. IMPORTANT! => Make certain that the Windows Firewall is enabled.
    > >>>>
    > >>>> NB: You're "working without a net" now: Don't to ANYTHING else online
    > >>>> (e.g., browsing; reading email; chatting) until you've completed Step
    > >>>> #7
    > >>>> below!
    > >>>>
    > >>>> 5. Double-click on the file you saved in Step #1 above to run the
    > >>>> utility.
    > >>>> Don't TOUCH your keyboard until the run completes, then reboot again.
    > >>>>
    > >>>> 6. Do a clean install of NAV 2010 using your Product ID & reboot:
    > >>>> http://www.symantec.com/norton/support/kb/web_view.jsp?wv_type=public_web&docurl=20080514162318EN
    > >>>>
    > >>>> TIP: Do not enable or install any Norton Add-ons (e.g., Norton
    > >>>> Anti-Phishing) just yet.
    > >>>>
    > >>>> 7. Manually and repeatedly run LiveUpdate until you get a "no more
    > >>>> updates"
    > >>>> prompt.
    > >>>>
    > >>>> 8. Test.
    > >>>>
    > >>>>
    > >>>> Homer wrote:
    > >>>>> The machine that it happens on is a Dell laptop running windows XP
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>> All 3 of my machines are running NAV and the subscriptions and updates
    > >>>>> are
    > >>>>> all current.
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>> I didn't have any trial anti-virus installed on any of them.
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>> It's just odd that this started happening right after I installed IE8.
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>> I orginally misspoke. NAV launches and the window is minimized on the
    > >>>>> task
    > >>>>> bar. I really don't think
    > >>>>> it has anything to do with email protection. I've had it turned on
    > >>>>> and
    > >>>>> it
    > >>>>> is still launching.
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>> ...The day following my
    > >>>>>>> installation on one of my machines I started having NAV launch on
    > >>>>>>> the
    > >>>>>>> desktop by itself...
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>> Which computer & Windows version?
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>> Assuming NAV is installed on all three computers, did a Norton (or
    > >>>>>> McAfee)
    > >>>>>> free trial come preinstalled on any of them?
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>> ...I've several chat sessions with Symantec with no
    > >>>>>>> resolution. They seem to think that the problem is that I have email
    > >>>>>>> protection turned off. I've always had it turned off on all my
    > >>>>>>> machines
    > >>>>>>> without a problem.
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>> Symantec Support's blowing smoke up your kilt. Email scanning
    > >>>>>> provides
    > >>>>>> no
    > >>>>>> additional protection and even Symantec has said that it's not
    > >>>>>> necessary:
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>> <QP>
    > >>>>>> Disabling Email Scanning does not leave you unprotected against
    > >>>>>> viruses
    > >>>>>> that are distributed as email attachments. Norton AntiVirus
    > >>>>>> Auto-Protect
    > >>>>>> scans incoming files as they are saved to your hard drive, including
    > >>>>>> email
    > >>>>>> and email attachments. Email Scanning is just another layer on top of
    > >>>>>> this. To make sure that Auto-Protect is providing the maximum
    > >>>>>> protection,
    > >>>>>> keep Auto-Protect enabled and run LiveUpdate regularly to ensure that
    > >>>>>> you
    > >>>>>> have the most recent virus definitions.
    > >>>>>> </QP>
    > >>>>>> http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT/nav.nsf/docid/2002111812533106
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>> ...This started to happen after I installed IE8. Is there
    > >>>>>>> possibly some connection?
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>> IMHO, not a chance, Homer. That being said, please answer the 2
    > >>>>>> questions
    > >>>>>> above.
    > >>>>>> --
    > >>>>>> ~PA Bear
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>>
    > >>>>>> Homer wrote:
    > >>>>>>> Thanks for all of your help on this problem. I downloaded IE8 on
    > >>>>>>> all
    > >>>>>>> 3
    > >>>>>>> of
    > >>>>>>> my machines following all of your instructions. The day following
    > >>>>>>> my
    > >>>>>>> installation on one of my machines I started having NAV launch on
    > >>>>>>> the
    > >>>>>>> desktop by itself. I've several chat sessions with Symantec with no
    > >>>>>>> resolution. They seem to think that the problem is that I have email
    > >>>>>>> protection turned off. I've always had it turned off on all my
    > >>>>>>> machines
    > >>>>>>> without a problem. This started to happen after I installed IE8. Is
    > >>>>>>> there
    > >>>>>>> possibly some connection?
    > >>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:
    > >>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>> [Crosspost to IE General]
    > >>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>> Those with IE7- and/or IE8-specific questions or comments can post
    > >>>>>>>> to
    > >>>>>>>> and
    > >>>>>>>> seek support in IE General newsgroup:
    > >>>>>>>> microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general
    > >>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>> On the web:
    > >>>>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/communitie...?dg=microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general
    > >>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>> In your newsreader:
    > >>>>>>>> news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general
    > >>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>> Resources:
    > >>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>> Hyperlinks do not work in Outlook Express after you upgrade to IE7
    > >>>>>>>> [and/or
    > >>>>>>>> IE8]
    > >>>>>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/929867
    > >>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>> No-charge support for Internet Explorer 8 installation, set-up and
    > >>>>>>>> usage
    > >>>>>>>> (only) is available via telephone (based on your locale) and has
    > >>>>>>>> been
    > >>>>>>>> extended until 02 July 2010. Customers must be running Windows XP
    > >>>>>>>> or
    > >>>>>>>> Windows Vista in a non-domain environment.
    > >>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>> => US & CA Residents: 1-866-234-6020
    > >>>>>>>> => Other locales:
    > >>>>>>>> https://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?&prid=13043
    > >>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>> My personal recommendations include:
    > >>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>> => Install IE8 manually, not via Windows Update/Automatic Updates!!
    > >>>>>>>> =>
    > >>>>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/internet-explorer/worldwide-sites.aspx
    > >>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>> NB WinXP users: Save the installer to your desktop, do not Run it.
    > >>>>>>>> When
    > >>>>>>>> you're prepared to install IE8, double-click on the saved file.
    > >>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>> NB Vista users: Save the installer to your desktop, do not Run it.
    > >>>>>>>> When
    > >>>>>>>> you're prepared to install IE8, right-click on the saved file and
    > >>>>>>>> select
    > >>>>>>>> Run as Administator.
    > >>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>> => Uninstall all third-party toolbars (e.g., Google; Yahoo; Windows
    > >>>>>>>> Live)
    > >>>>>>>> and third-party Windows Themes before installing IE8.
    > >>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>> => Close all open applications (i.e., anything with a taskbar icon)
    > >>>>>>>> before
    > >>>>>>>> installing or uninstalling IE8.
    > >>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>> => I would strongly recommend disabling your anti-virus application
    > >>>>>>>> and
    > >>>>>>>> any
    > >>>>>>>> anti-spyware application's "system protections" (other than
    > >>>>>>>> Defender's)
    > >>>>>>>> before installing (or uninstalling) an IE upgrade. If you're
    > >>>>>>>> running
    > >>>>>>>> a
    > >>>>>>>> third-party firewall, I would recommend disabling it and then
    > >>>>>>>> enabling
    > >>>>>>>> the
    > >>>>>>>> Windows Firewall before installing (or uninstalling) an IE upgrade.
    > >>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>> => Create a Restore Point manually before installing IE8. [Do NOT
    > >>>>>>>> use
    > >>>>>>>> System Restore to remove/uninstall IE8; instead, see
    > >>>>>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/957700. Then use the Restore Point
    > >>>>>>>> prior
    > >>>>>>>> to reinstalling IE8 per these recommendations. Norton users will
    > >>>>>>>> need
    > >>>>>>>> to
    > >>>>>>>> see http://bertk.mvps.org/html/symantecdoc1.html.]
    > >>>>>>>>
    > >>>>>>>> NB WinXP users=> Reboot twice after installing or uninstalling IE8,
    > >>>>>>>> then
    > >>>>>>>> go
    > >>>>>>>> to http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com | Select CUSTOM and scan |
    > >>>>>>>> Install
    > >>>>>>>> any Critical Security Updates offered (i.e., KB976325). If a Root
     
  19. PA Bear [MS MVP]

    PA Bear [MS MVP] Flightless Bird

    Contact Symantec Support (you've paid for it) or seek assistance in this
    Norton Community forum:
    http://community.norton.com/t5/Norton-Internet-Security-Norton/bd-p/nis_feedback

    Homer wrote:
    > 1. yes
    > 2. yes
    > 3. yes
    > 4. nothing pre-installed. I purchased and installed NAV
    >
    > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:
    >
    >> Let's please just discuss the computer where you're having the problem,
    >> Homer (i.e., not the desktop or mini computer).
    >>
    >> Answer the following questions by number in your reply:
    >>
    >>> Then my one laptop started launching NAV minimized on the task bar.
    >>> This started happening almost imediately after installing IE8.

    >>
    >>> I am running NAV 2010 on this machine and my desktop. I'm running
    >>> Norton
    >>> internet security on a mini laptop.

    >>
    >> 1. Am I correct in concluding the you're running NAV 2010 on the laptop
    >> computer where NAV is now being "minimized to the task bar?" [yes/no]
    >>
    >> 2. Did you disable NAV prior to installing IE8 on this laptop computer?
    >> [yes/no]
    >>
    >> 3. Did you uninstall NAV, run the Norton Removal Tool, and then reinstall
    >> NAV (per Steps #1 through #8 in my previous reply) on this laptop
    >> computer?
    >> [yes/no]
    >>
    >> 4. Did a Norton (or McAfee) free trial come preinstalled when you bought
    >> this laptop computer *and* did you install the paid version of NAV
    >> *before*
    >> the free trial period had expired? [yes/no]
    >>
    >>
    >> Homer wrote:
    >>> Sorry about the confusion. I did start the string by asking about
    >>> possible
    >>> problems with
    >>> IE8. At one time, while I had automatic updates activated, IE7 got
    >>> installed and it caused
    >>> me problems with Outlook Express. I eventually wound up unistalling
    >>> IE7.
    >>> For some time
    >>> now there have been sites that I've gone to that have said that I
    >>> couldn't
    >>> fully utilize their
    >>> site unless I had IE7 or higher. I don't remember the actual sites but
    >>> very
    >>> recently I
    >>> received that same type message from Direct TV. com. So I thought I
    >>> might
    >>> venture into
    >>> installing IE8. I follow the instructions you provided and everything
    >>> appeared to be fine.
    >>> Then my one laptop started launching NAV minimized on the task bar.
    >>> This
    >>> started
    >>> happening almost imediately after installing IE8. I just assumed that
    >>> is
    >>> what caused this
    >>> to happen. There's no pattern that I can see that causes this to happen.
    >>> The machine
    >>> has been setting idle and I opened the top and NAV was minimized on the
    >>> task
    >>> bar.
    >>>
    >>> I am running NAV 2010 on this machine and my desktop. I'm running
    >>> Norton
    >>> internet
    >>> security on a mini laptop.
    >>>
    >>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> [Thread history:
    >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/micr...6.browser/browse_frm/thread/fd846fe0f167a385]
    >>>>
    >>>>> I'm still having the problem
    >>>>
    >>>> Which/what problem?
    >>>>
    >>>> Are you now running NAV 2010 and is it working properly, as far as you
    >>>> know?
    >>>>
    >>>>> I just find it hard to believe that this doesn't have something
    >>>>> to do with the installation of IE8. It started happening right after
    >>>>> I
    >>>>> installed it.
    >>>>
    >>>> This long thread started with you stating, "I currently am running IE 6
    >>>> however there are a number of sites that I go to
    >>>> frequently that just don't function properly." IOW, you were having a
    >>>> problem with "a number of sites" before you installed IE8, Homer.
    >>>>
    >>>> Speaking of which, what sites are they?
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Homer wrote:
    >>>>> Thanks again for all your help on this problem. I followed your
    >>>>> instructions to the letter and
    >>>>> I'm still having the problem. I just find it hard to believe that
    >>>>> this
    >>>>> doesn't have something
    >>>>> to do with the installation of IE8. It started happening right after
    >>>>> I
    >>>>> installed it.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Thanks again. I appears that I'm just going to have to live with
    >>>>> this.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:
    >>>>>> 1. Download the Norton Removal Tool, saving it to your desktop:
    >>>>>> ftp://ftp.symantec.com/public/english_us_canada/removal_tools/Norton_Removal_Tool.exe
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> 2. Close any open applications (i.e., anything with an icon on the
    >>>>>> taskbar).
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> 3. After making certain you have a copy of your Product Key handy,
    >>>>>> uninstall NAV & LiveUpdate via Add/Remove Programs & reboot.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> 4. IMPORTANT! => Make certain that the Windows Firewall is enabled.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> NB: You're "working without a net" now: Don't to ANYTHING else online
    >>>>>> (e.g., browsing; reading email; chatting) until you've completed Step
    >>>>>> #7
    >>>>>> below!
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> 5. Double-click on the file you saved in Step #1 above to run the
    >>>>>> utility.
    >>>>>> Don't TOUCH your keyboard until the run completes, then reboot again.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> 6. Do a clean install of NAV 2010 using your Product ID & reboot:
    >>>>>> http://www.symantec.com/norton/support/kb/web_view.jsp?wv_type=public_web&docurl=20080514162318EN
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> TIP: Do not enable or install any Norton Add-ons (e.g., Norton
    >>>>>> Anti-Phishing) just yet.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> 7. Manually and repeatedly run LiveUpdate until you get a "no more
    >>>>>> updates"
    >>>>>> prompt.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> 8. Test.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Homer wrote:
    >>>>>>> The machine that it happens on is a Dell laptop running windows XP
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> All 3 of my machines are running NAV and the subscriptions and
    >>>>>>> updates
    >>>>>>> are
    >>>>>>> all current.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> I didn't have any trial anti-virus installed on any of them.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> It's just odd that this started happening right after I installed
    >>>>>>> IE8.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> I orginally misspoke. NAV launches and the window is minimized on
    >>>>>>> the
    >>>>>>> task
    >>>>>>> bar. I really don't think
    >>>>>>> it has anything to do with email protection. I've had it turned on
    >>>>>>> and
    >>>>>>> it
    >>>>>>> is still launching.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> ...The day following my
    >>>>>>>>> installation on one of my machines I started having NAV launch on
    >>>>>>>>> the
    >>>>>>>>> desktop by itself...
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> Which computer & Windows version?
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> Assuming NAV is installed on all three computers, did a Norton (or
    >>>>>>>> McAfee)
    >>>>>>>> free trial come preinstalled on any of them?
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> ...I've several chat sessions with Symantec with no
    >>>>>>>>> resolution. They seem to think that the problem is that I have
    >>>>>>>>> email
    >>>>>>>>> protection turned off. I've always had it turned off on all my
    >>>>>>>>> machines
    >>>>>>>>> without a problem.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> Symantec Support's blowing smoke up your kilt. Email scanning
    >>>>>>>> provides
    >>>>>>>> no
    >>>>>>>> additional protection and even Symantec has said that it's not
    >>>>>>>> necessary:
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> <QP>
    >>>>>>>> Disabling Email Scanning does not leave you unprotected against
    >>>>>>>> viruses
    >>>>>>>> that are distributed as email attachments. Norton AntiVirus
    >>>>>>>> Auto-Protect
    >>>>>>>> scans incoming files as they are saved to your hard drive,
    >>>>>>>> including
    >>>>>>>> email
    >>>>>>>> and email attachments. Email Scanning is just another layer on top
    >>>>>>>> of
    >>>>>>>> this. To make sure that Auto-Protect is providing the maximum
    >>>>>>>> protection,
    >>>>>>>> keep Auto-Protect enabled and run LiveUpdate regularly to ensure
    >>>>>>>> that
    >>>>>>>> you
    >>>>>>>> have the most recent virus definitions.
    >>>>>>>> </QP>
    >>>>>>>> http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT/nav.nsf/docid/2002111812533106
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> ...This started to happen after I installed IE8. Is there
    >>>>>>>>> possibly some connection?
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> IMHO, not a chance, Homer. That being said, please answer the 2
    >>>>>>>> questions
    >>>>>>>> above.
    >>>>>>>> --
    >>>>>>>> ~PA Bear
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> Homer wrote:
    >>>>>>>>> Thanks for all of your help on this problem. I downloaded IE8 on
    >>>>>>>>> all
    >>>>>>>>> 3
    >>>>>>>>> of
    >>>>>>>>> my machines following all of your instructions. The day following
    >>>>>>>>> my
    >>>>>>>>> installation on one of my machines I started having NAV launch on
    >>>>>>>>> the
    >>>>>>>>> desktop by itself. I've several chat sessions with Symantec with
    >>>>>>>>> no
    >>>>>>>>> resolution. They seem to think that the problem is that I have
    >>>>>>>>> email
    >>>>>>>>> protection turned off. I've always had it turned off on all my
    >>>>>>>>> machines
    >>>>>>>>> without a problem. This started to happen after I installed IE8.
    >>>>>>>>> Is
    >>>>>>>>> there
    >>>>>>>>> possibly some connection?
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> [Crosspost to IE General]
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> Those with IE7- and/or IE8-specific questions or comments can
    >>>>>>>>>> post
    >>>>>>>>>> to
    >>>>>>>>>> and
    >>>>>>>>>> seek support in IE General newsgroup:
    >>>>>>>>>> microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> On the web:
    >>>>>>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/communitie...?dg=microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> In your newsreader:
    >>>>>>>>>> news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> Resources:
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> Hyperlinks do not work in Outlook Express after you upgrade to
    >>>>>>>>>> IE7
    >>>>>>>>>> [and/or
    >>>>>>>>>> IE8]
    >>>>>>>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/929867
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> No-charge support for Internet Explorer 8 installation, set-up
    >>>>>>>>>> and
    >>>>>>>>>> usage
    >>>>>>>>>> (only) is available via telephone (based on your locale) and has
    >>>>>>>>>> been
    >>>>>>>>>> extended until 02 July 2010. Customers must be running Windows XP
    >>>>>>>>>> or
    >>>>>>>>>> Windows Vista in a non-domain environment.
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> => US & CA Residents: 1-866-234-6020
    >>>>>>>>>> => Other locales:
    >>>>>>>>>> https://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?&prid=13043
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> My personal recommendations include:
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> => Install IE8 manually, not via Windows Update/Automatic
    >>>>>>>>>> Updates!!
    >>>>>>>>>> =>
    >>>>>>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/internet-explorer/worldwide-sites.aspx
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> NB WinXP users: Save the installer to your desktop, do not Run
    >>>>>>>>>> it.
    >>>>>>>>>> When
    >>>>>>>>>> you're prepared to install IE8, double-click on the saved file.
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> NB Vista users: Save the installer to your desktop, do not Run
    >>>>>>>>>> it.
    >>>>>>>>>> When
    >>>>>>>>>> you're prepared to install IE8, right-click on the saved file and
    >>>>>>>>>> select
    >>>>>>>>>> Run as Administator.
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> => Uninstall all third-party toolbars (e.g., Google; Yahoo;
    >>>>>>>>>> Windows
    >>>>>>>>>> Live)
    >>>>>>>>>> and third-party Windows Themes before installing IE8.
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> => Close all open applications (i.e., anything with a taskbar
    >>>>>>>>>> icon)
    >>>>>>>>>> before
    >>>>>>>>>> installing or uninstalling IE8.
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> => I would strongly recommend disabling your anti-virus
    >>>>>>>>>> application
    >>>>>>>>>> and
    >>>>>>>>>> any
    >>>>>>>>>> anti-spyware application's "system protections" (other than
    >>>>>>>>>> Defender's)
    >>>>>>>>>> before installing (or uninstalling) an IE upgrade. If you're
    >>>>>>>>>> running
    >>>>>>>>>> a
    >>>>>>>>>> third-party firewall, I would recommend disabling it and then
    >>>>>>>>>> enabling
    >>>>>>>>>> the
    >>>>>>>>>> Windows Firewall before installing (or uninstalling) an IE
    >>>>>>>>>> upgrade.
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> => Create a Restore Point manually before installing IE8. [Do
    >>>>>>>>>> NOT
    >>>>>>>>>> use
    >>>>>>>>>> System Restore to remove/uninstall IE8; instead, see
    >>>>>>>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/957700. Then use the Restore
    >>>>>>>>>> Point
    >>>>>>>>>> prior
    >>>>>>>>>> to reinstalling IE8 per these recommendations. Norton users will
    >>>>>>>>>> need
    >>>>>>>>>> to
    >>>>>>>>>> see http://bertk.mvps.org/html/symantecdoc1.html.]
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>> NB WinXP users=> Reboot twice after installing or uninstalling
    >>>>>>>>>> IE8,
    >>>>>>>>>> then
    >>>>>>>>>> go
    >>>>>>>>>> to http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com | Select CUSTOM and scan |
    >>>>>>>>>> Install
    >>>>>>>>>> any Critical Security Updates offered (i.e., KB976325). If a
    >>>>>>>>>> Root
     

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