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Re: Just Upgraded from Ubuntu 9.04 to 9.10...Won't even boot....

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Hadron

Flightless Bird
RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> writes:

> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 11:59:48 -0600, Dave wrote:
>
>> When you need tech support, the only place to get help is in forums.
>
> So buy a version that comes with technical support -- like Red Hat or
> SuSE. Personally I've found better answers more quickly on the Linux
> forums than with Microsoft "support." "KSOD on Vista? Reinstall." That
> about sums up my support experience with Microsoft. Try to reboot, if that
> doesn't work, reinstall."

But we've already established that you're an idiot. What on earth do
your "findings" mean to anyone else? You were unable to install a virus
checker for example so I doubt very much if you have anything whatsoever
to add that might help Dave.
 
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RonB

Flightless Bird
On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 09:09:10 -0600, Ignoramus12856 wrote:

> But the bugs are maddening and they negate the whole experience for
> users who are not experienced troubleshooters.

Trouble shooting is simply the use of logic and the ability to do research
and is enhanced by experience. Too many people are simply lazy. It's
easier to throw up their hands and whine instead of making the minimal
effort necessary to fix a problem.

Out of curiosity, what problems are you having with Gnome?

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CentOS 5.4 or Vector Linux Deluxe 6.0
 
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RonB

Flightless Bird
On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 09:01:49 -0600, Ignoramus12856 wrote:

> On 2010-01-24, RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 00:56:19 -0600, Ignoramus27518 wrote:
>>
>>> On 2010-01-24, RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 00:39:51 -0600, Ignoramus27518 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> My own conclusion on this matter is that what really "slows down
>>>>> desktop adoption of Linux" is the fact that desktop Linux is full of
>>>>> bugs. The bugs turn people away because they cannot fix bugs. If it
>>>>> was not full of bugs, we would see use of Linux at least 10%.
>>>>>
>>>>> As of now, desktop Linux is great, until you encounter some bug with
>>>>> zero path to resolution.
>>>>
>>>> Really? I've been using various distributions of Linux exclusively
>>>> for two years and haven't run into any bugs with "zero path to
>>>> resolution" -- so, perhaps, you give a couple examples?
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Sure. I will give you one example instead of requested two. It is
>>> getting late.
>>>
>>> Ubuntu Karmic.
>>>
>>> Firefox browser runs with youtube video open.
>>>
>>> User leaves and comes back after 1 day.
>>>
>>> Sound from firefox no longer works.
>>>
>>> User closes firefox.
>>>
>>> User starts another firefox.
>>>
>>> New firefox says "another instance of firefox is running".
>>>
>>> No way to start a browser now.
>>
>> Oh really. And this "zero path to resolution" user has never heard of
>> the kill command?
>
> Exactly.
>
>>> The "problem" is that pulseaudio support on ubuntu is full of bugs,
>>> hence disappearance of sound, and another problem is that in this
>>> situation, old firefox does not actually die, though the window goes
>>> away.
>>
>> Applications also do this sort of thing in Windows. The advantage of
>> Linux is that you have a kill command. (Look it up.)
>
> I am not sure whny you insist on comparing to Windows, but, if so,
> Windows does have a kill command, it is called task manager.
>
>>> Figuring all of that out requires some googling skills, knowledge of
>>> "ps", "grep" and other general Unix troubleshooting skills. If the
>>> user could do it, open terminal, and type something like "killall
>>> firefox", he or she would be able to continue, but a less skillful
>>> person would just give up.
>>
>> Oh, so you know about the resolution -- and yet you claim that there is
>> "zero chance of resolution." Not very convincing, WinTroll.
>
> I have used Linux since 1995. So I know a few things.
>
>> Now give those two examples of "zero chance for resolution" problems
>> that supposedly exist in Linux. Because you sure didn't do that with
>> what you wrote above. (And it's obvious that you're clueless about the
>> subject... surprise, surprise.)
>
> You want a second example? Is that what you want?
>
> i

No, I'm still looking for the first example of a problem with a "zero
resolution path." You really don't have any, do you?

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H

Hadron

Flightless Bird
RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> writes:

> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 09:09:10 -0600, Ignoramus12856 wrote:
>
>> But the bugs are maddening and they negate the whole experience for
>> users who are not experienced troubleshooters.
>
> Trouble shooting is simply the use of logic and the ability to do research
> and is enhanced by experience. Too many people are simply lazy. It's
> easier to throw up their hands and whine instead of making the minimal
> effort necessary to fix a problem.

You mean like you poasting time and time again how your Windows machine
rebooted twenty times a day and your entire working day was spent
"fighting malware": wow, like Ahlstrom, you forget your own lies so
quickly you have landed yourself in the soup once more!


>
> Out of curiosity, what problems are you having with Gnome?
 
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RonB

Flightless Bird
On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:07:53 +0100, Hadron wrote:

> WronG was inspired by the stirring speeches of Keith Bigshot recently
> and has decided to nail a stake into the ground to proclaim his own OSS
> immortality and vision. Unfortunately WronG just shuffles distros and
> knows jack about Linux or any of the OSS apps. And, like Keith "Now its
> in Python expect huge improvements" Bigshot, he contributes nothing
> himself. For WronG it's all about saving a few pennies. We know that
> because he recently started over stating how he "purchases" Vector
> Linux. No one believes him. Not even himself.

You do go on so. That's a sign of a moron, someone who just doesn't know
when to shut up. "Keith Bigshot?" Sorry Hadron, but unlike you, I don't
get into personality cults. As for "shuffling" distros, I've been using
CentOS on one computer for about a year and a half now, CentOS on my
laptop for about a year, OpenSUSE on another computer for over two years
and VectorLinux on my test machine for about 2 months (but it's a "test"
machine, which means I do *test* distribution on it). Not to mention that
Puppy Linux has been on my flash drive for over a year and a half. So,
unlike you, I can actually install about any Linux distribution and make
it work on about any computer.

Oh, I'm sorry, am I inadvertently pointing out your many inadequacies by
contrast?

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RonB
Registered Linux User #498581
CentOS 5.4 or Vector Linux Deluxe 6.0
 
H

Hadron

Flightless Bird
RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> writes:

> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:07:53 +0100, Hadron wrote:
>
>> WronG was inspired by the stirring speeches of Keith Bigshot recently
>> and has decided to nail a stake into the ground to proclaim his own OSS
>> immortality and vision. Unfortunately WronG just shuffles distros and
>> knows jack about Linux or any of the OSS apps. And, like Keith "Now its
>> in Python expect huge improvements" Bigshot, he contributes nothing
>> himself. For WronG it's all about saving a few pennies. We know that
>> because he recently started over stating how he "purchases" Vector
>> Linux. No one believes him. Not even himself.
>
> You do go on so. That's a sign of a moron, someone who just doesn't know
> when to shut up. "Keith Bigshot?" Sorry Hadron, but unlike you, I don't
> get into personality cults. As for "shuffling" distros, I've been
> using

Err, yes you do. WronG again. You keep going on about "drooling windows
users". I dont go on about Linux users. I go on about idiot "advocates"
like you.

> CentOS on one computer for about a year and a half now, CentOS on my
> laptop for about a year, OpenSUSE on another computer for over two years
> and VectorLinux on my test machine for about 2 months (but it's a "test"
> machine, which means I do *test* distribution on it). Not to mention that
> Puppy Linux has been on my flash drive for over a year and a half. So,
> unlike you, I can actually install about any Linux distribution and make
> it work on about any computer.

What are you talking about? I use Debian and have next to zero issues
with it. I also posted an article here last year about my experiences
with Linux on USB for sysrescue purposes.

Repeating the lies from some certifiable lunatic like Dumb Willy Poaster
and his amazing filters makes you an idiot. sorry. More of an idiot. All
you do is go on about how YOU could not work with Windows. You don't
"work" with Linux either since its quite apparent you don't know your
arse from your elbow.

>
> Oh, I'm sorry, am I inadvertently pointing out your many inadequacies by
> contrast?

No.. You told more lies. But that's ok. It's what COLA "advocates" do
.... tell lies and generally froth and sweat,
 
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JEDIDIAH

Flightless Bird
On 2010-01-24, Hadron <hadronquark@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> writes:
>
>> On 2010-01-24, Ignoramus27518 <ignoramus27518@NOSPAM.27518.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2010-01-24, RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 00:39:51 -0600, Ignoramus27518 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> My own conclusion on this matter is that what really "slows down desktop
>>>>> adoption of Linux" is the fact that desktop Linux is full of bugs. The
>>>>> bugs turn people away because they cannot fix bugs. If it was not full
>>>>> of bugs, we would see use of Linux at least 10%.
>>>>>
>>>>> As of now, desktop Linux is great, until you encounter some bug with
>>>>> zero path to resolution.
>>>>
>>>> Really? I've been using various distributions of Linux exclusively for
>>>> two years and haven't run into any bugs with "zero path to resolution" --
>>>> so, perhaps, you give a couple examples?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Sure. I will give you one example instead of requested two. It is
>>> getting late.
>>>
>>> Ubuntu Karmic.
>>>
>>> Firefox browser runs with youtube video open.
>>>
>>> User leaves and comes back after 1 day.
>>>
>>> Sound from firefox no longer works.
>>>
>>> User closes firefox.
>>>
>>> User starts another firefox.
>>>
>>> New firefox says "another instance of firefox is running".
>>>
>>> No way to start a browser now.
>>
>> ...now you are just a confirmed troll.
>>
>> Now this sort of thing happens on occasion in Windows. The Windows way
>> of dealing with this would be to use the task manager to kill any errant
>> firefox processes that might be running.
>>
>> Do the same thing under Ubuntu.
>>
>> The relevant utility is called "system monitor".
>
> Now you're really showing your ignorance. This happens a LOT with
> firefox on Linux. Well, Iceweasel on Debian. There are also issues when

No not really...

Certainly not compared with all sorts of different things that have a
tendency to hang in Windows and just block whatever screen real estate they
happen to be using.

> you use twinview and profiles - firefox gets confused as to what it
> should be doing.
>


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want to play nicely with everyone else's data (namely mine). I'd
rather create a DVD using those Linux apps we're told don't exist.
 
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Ignoramus12856

Flightless Bird
On 2010-01-24, JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> wrote:
> On 2010-01-24, Ignoramus12856 <ignoramus12856@NOSPAM.12856.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 2010-01-24, RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 00:56:19 -0600, Ignoramus27518 wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2010-01-24, RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 00:39:51 -0600, Ignoramus27518 wrote:
> [deletia]
>>>> The "problem" is that pulseaudio support on ubuntu is full of bugs,
>>>> hence disappearance of sound, and another problem is that in this
>>>> situation, old firefox does not actually die, though the window goes
>>>> away.
>>>
>>> Applications also do this sort of thing in Windows. The advantage of
>>> Linux is that you have a kill command. (Look it up.)
>>
>> I am not sure whny you insist on comparing to Windows, but, if so,
>> Windows does have a kill command, it is called task manager.
>
> ...so does Ubuntu.
>
>>
>>>> Figuring all of that out requires some googling skills, knowledge of
>>>> "ps", "grep" and other general Unix troubleshooting skills. If the user
>>>> could do it, open terminal, and type something like "killall firefox",
>>>> he or she would be able to continue, but a less skillful person would
>>>> just give up.
>>>
>>> Oh, so you know about the resolution -- and yet you claim that there is
>>> "zero chance of resolution." Not very convincing, WinTroll.
>>
>> I have used Linux since 1995. So I know a few things.
>
> You are certainly good at hiding this fact.
>
> [deletia]
>
> Perhaps you used Linux once in 1995. It would certainly explain your
> rather dated view on things.
>

I used it as my main OS since 1995 when I bought my first PC.

I wrote my first GNU copyrighted program in 1996.

You are used to "Windows advocates" criticizing Linux, so reflexively
you think that just because I do the same, I am one of those people.

i
 
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RonB

Flightless Bird
On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 23:01:50 +0100, Hadron wrote:

> RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:07:53 +0100, Hadron wrote:
>>
>>> WronG was inspired by the stirring speeches of Keith Bigshot recently
>>> and has decided to nail a stake into the ground to proclaim his own
>>> OSS immortality and vision. Unfortunately WronG just shuffles distros
>>> and knows jack about Linux or any of the OSS apps. And, like Keith
>>> "Now its in Python expect huge improvements" Bigshot, he contributes
>>> nothing himself. For WronG it's all about saving a few pennies. We
>>> know that because he recently started over stating how he "purchases"
>>> Vector Linux. No one believes him. Not even himself.
>>
>> You do go on so. That's a sign of a moron, someone who just doesn't
>> know when to shut up. "Keith Bigshot?" Sorry Hadron, but unlike you, I
>> don't get into personality cults. As for "shuffling" distros, I've been
>> using
>
> Err, yes you do. WronG again. You keep going on about "drooling windows
> users". I dont go on about Linux users. I go on about idiot "advocates"
> like you.

No, I don't. I talk about drooling WinTrolls -- not Windows users. Quite a
bit of difference there. I've got nothing against Windows users, most
don't even know they have a choice. It's morons, like you, who spew 24/7
in a Linux Advocacy newsgroup that I attack.

>> CentOS on one computer for about a year and a half now, CentOS on my
>> laptop for about a year, OpenSUSE on another computer for over two
>> years and VectorLinux on my test machine for about 2 months (but it's a
>> "test" machine, which means I do *test* distribution on it). Not to
>> mention that Puppy Linux has been on my flash drive for over a year and
>> a half. So, unlike you, I can actually install about any Linux
>> distribution and make it work on about any computer.
>
> What are you talking about? I use Debian and have next to zero issues
> with it. I also posted an article here last year about my experiences
> with Linux on USB for sysrescue purposes.

You must be a liar then, because "obviously" nobody who uses Linux can
have "next to zero issues with it." At least that's your lying claim for
me, that, since I "say" I have no problems with Linux I "must" be a liar.
Do try to get your bullshit straight, Hadron.

> Repeating the lies from some certifiable lunatic like Dumb Willy Poaster
> and his amazing filters makes you an idiot. sorry. More of an idiot. All
> you do is go on about how YOU could not work with Windows. You don't
> "work" with Linux either since its quite apparent you don't know your
> arse from your elbow.

And when exactly have I repeated anything from "Willy Poaster?" Do attempt
to live in reality, Hadron. Either that, or quit lying your ass off --
because either your delusional or a bald-faced liar.

>> Oh, I'm sorry, am I inadvertently pointing out your many inadequacies
>> by contrast?
>
> No.. You told more lies. But that's ok. It's what COLA "advocates" do
> ... tell lies and generally froth and sweat,

Of course, my positive experiences with Linux are "lies" -- whereas your
positive experiences with Linux are on the "up and up." As I said, do try
to get your bullshit in order. Report back when you're coherent.

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RonB
Registered Linux User #498581
CentOS 5.4 or Vector Linux Deluxe 6.0
 
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Peter Köhlmann

Flightless Bird
Hadron wrote:

< snip real experience report >

> What are you talking about? I use Debian and have next to zero issues
> with it.

Not surprising, as you have not yet booted it

> I also posted an article here last year about my experiences
> with Linux on USB for sysrescue purposes.

Well, I must have missed that one, as you never post *your* experience but
only googled ones

> Repeating the lies from some certifiable lunatic like Dumb Willy Poaster
> and his amazing filters makes you an idiot.

Only, those are not lies. The liar is you

> sorry. More of an idiot. All
> you do is go on about how YOU could not work with Windows.

Nope. That is *your* misrepresentation of what was actually written

> You don't
> "work" with Linux either since its quite apparent you don't know your
> arse from your elbow.

If true, he would know a hell of a lot more than you do, Hadron Quark

>>
>> Oh, I'm sorry, am I inadvertently pointing out your many inadequacies
>> by contrast?
>
> No.. You told more lies.

No, he described you to a tee

> But that's ok.

Right. So stop calling it a lie

> It's what COLA "advocates" do
> ... tell lies and generally froth and sweat,

That is reserved to the "true linux advocates". Like you
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RonB

Flightless Bird
On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 22:48:45 +0100, Hadron wrote:

> RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 09:09:10 -0600, Ignoramus12856 wrote:
>>
>>> But the bugs are maddening and they negate the whole experience for
>>> users who are not experienced troubleshooters.
>>
>> Trouble shooting is simply the use of logic and the ability to do
>> research and is enhanced by experience. Too many people are simply
>> lazy. It's easier to throw up their hands and whine instead of making
>> the minimal effort necessary to fix a problem.
>
> You mean like you poasting time and time again how your Windows machine
> rebooted twenty times a day and your entire working day was spent
> "fighting malware": wow, like Ahlstrom, you forget your own lies so
> quickly you have landed yourself in the soup once more!

Never claimed I spent my "entire working day fighting malware." As
mentioned in an earlier post, at my work there is a whole IT department in
charge of fighting viruses and other malware. I work on telephone switches
which run on UNIX -- so it's not an issue for me. But don't let the truth
get in the way of lies, Hadron. As for posting "time after time" how I
rebooted my Windows machine "twenty times a day" -- show one example of
such a post, please. And again, be creative, don't let the truth get in
the way of your lies.

Slay some of more of those imaginary dragons for me, Hadron.

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Registered Linux User #498581
CentOS 5.4 or Vector Linux Deluxe 6.0
 
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RonB

Flightless Bird
On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 22:24:47 +0100, Hadron wrote:

> RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 11:59:48 -0600, Dave wrote:
>>
>>> When you need tech support, the only place to get help is in forums.
>>
>> So buy a version that comes with technical support -- like Red Hat or
>> SuSE. Personally I've found better answers more quickly on the Linux
>> forums than with Microsoft "support." "KSOD on Vista? Reinstall." That
>> about sums up my support experience with Microsoft. Try to reboot, if
>> that doesn't work, reinstall."
>
> But we've already established that you're an idiot. What on earth do
> your "findings" mean to anyone else? You were unable to install a virus
> checker for example so I doubt very much if you have anything whatsoever
> to add that might help Dave.

Correction. I *was* and idiot. I used to use Windows, after all.
Unfortunately I still have friends who use the Malware Magnet OS. And,
since they deal with Microsoft and have "support" (so-called) I tried to
use it. That was my "support" -- "reinstall." And what makes you think I'm
unable to install a virus checker. Get a grip on reality, dipshit.

But since you're obviously so "brilliant," Hadron -- how would you fix
KSOD? Hmmm? There are some things that require more than the shooting off
your mouth, you know.

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RonB
Registered Linux User #498581
CentOS 5.4 or Vector Linux Deluxe 6.0
 
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Terry Porter

Flightless Bird
On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:12:37 -0600, Ignoramus12856 wrote:

> On 2010-01-24, JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> wrote:
>> On 2010-01-24, Ignoramus12856 <ignoramus12856@NOSPAM.12856.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2010-01-24, RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 00:56:19 -0600, Ignoramus27518 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2010-01-24, RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 00:39:51 -0600, Ignoramus27518 wrote:
>> [deletia]
>>>>> The "problem" is that pulseaudio support on ubuntu is full of bugs,
>>>>> hence disappearance of sound, and another problem is that in this
>>>>> situation, old firefox does not actually die, though the window goes
>>>>> away.
>>>>
>>>> Applications also do this sort of thing in Windows. The advantage of
>>>> Linux is that you have a kill command. (Look it up.)
>>>
>>> I am not sure whny you insist on comparing to Windows, but, if so,
>>> Windows does have a kill command, it is called task manager.
>>
>> ...so does Ubuntu.
>>
>>
>>>>> Figuring all of that out requires some googling skills, knowledge of
>>>>> "ps", "grep" and other general Unix troubleshooting skills. If the
>>>>> user could do it, open terminal, and type something like "killall
>>>>> firefox", he or she would be able to continue, but a less skillful
>>>>> person would just give up.
>>>>
>>>> Oh, so you know about the resolution -- and yet you claim that there
>>>> is "zero chance of resolution." Not very convincing, WinTroll.
>>>
>>> I have used Linux since 1995. So I know a few things.
>>
>> You are certainly good at hiding this fact.
>>
>> [deletia]
>>
>> Perhaps you used Linux once in 1995. It would certainly explain
>> your
>> rather dated view on things.
>>
>>
> I used it as my main OS since 1995 when I bought my first PC.
>
> I wrote my first GNU copyrighted program in 1996.
>
> You are used to "Windows advocates" criticizing Linux, so reflexively
> you think that just because I do the same, I am one of those people.
>

Well this is being crossposted to COLA, so you have to expect that.






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RonB

Flightless Bird
On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 22:17:52 +0100, Hadron wrote:

> RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 07:21:21 -0500, Dave \"Crash\" Dummy wrote:
>>
>>> I think the reason for Linux's success in the server arena is that MS
>>> servers are so expensive.
>>
>> Especially considering that Linux does the job better.
>
> What job WronG?

Uh, being as used web and data servers... Do try to keep up, Hadron. I
can't spell everything out for you.

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Registered Linux User #498581
CentOS 5.4 or Vector Linux Deluxe 6.0
 
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*Hemidactylus*

Flightless Bird
On 01/24/2010 01:27 AM, Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 06:15:57 +0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 00:37:59 -0500, Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>>
>>> So now what?
>>> Boots to a CLI.
>>> The person who owns this system is not happy. She clicked update and
>>> that was it.
>>> Gone good bye.
>>>
>>> Yea Linux is great.
>>> Sure it is.
>>> Keep telling yourselves that.
>>
>> And KSODs and BSODs never happen with Windows, either. Get a life,
>> flatline.
>
> Upgraded 12 systems to Windows 7 and not a single problem.
> Everything just works.
> I'm not sure what you and your friends are doing wrong, but it
> works fine for me.
>
> I have a life BTW.
> The reason I have a life is because I don't run Ubuntu which
> consumes time like a cheap whore consumes sperm.
>
> You Linux freaks spend all your time making Linux work.
> It's a losing battle BTW.
>
> Almost 20 years and Linux still is less than 1 percent of the
> desktop market.
> That's a failure in most people's eyes.
>
> It's pretty pathetic when something that is free is ignored.

It's pretty pathetic to troll a Linux group. If Linux is so bad why do
you need to spend so much time telling us that. Let us suffer the Tux
and move on with your life.

Whatever issues I've had with Linux have been good learning experiences
and pale in comparison to the nightmare scenarios I've witnessed
viacaroiusly in just the past month where people using Windows have had
varying levels of infection with scareware and viruses. I took a
friend's laptop that had severely infected XP and a crashing hardrive,
replaced the hard drive after successfully running Puppy, and installed
Karmic. My friend likes it and just asked me to install Linux on his
son's and ex's computers.

I booted into Windows 7 last night and did an update (which is important
to perform in Linux also) then tried Hulu out and noticed it was about
as jittery in full screen mode as it is in various distros of Linux. I
attribute that to my weak hardware, not the OS'es. I do like Windows 7
more than XP and Vista, but spend most of my non-working time using Linux.

I run Fedora just fine at home. No nightmares here. No zero day browser
flaws that the Chinese used to attack Google either. Ubuntu and OpenSUSE
work nice on a netbook as dualboot.

Really dude, I don't see why you bother with us opensource slummers when
you could be enjoying a defrag with a cigar and glass of shiraz instead.
Then run an Avast and Malwarebytes scan and hope the latter doesn't flag
an important (or innocuous) registry entry as bad.


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~it ends here~
*Hemidactylus*
 
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Hadron

Flightless Bird
*Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@hotmail.com> writes:

> On 01/24/2010 01:27 AM, Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 06:15:57 +0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 00:37:59 -0500, Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>>>
>>>> So now what?
>>>> Boots to a CLI.
>>>> The person who owns this system is not happy. She clicked update and
>>>> that was it.
>>>> Gone good bye.
>>>>
>>>> Yea Linux is great.
>>>> Sure it is.
>>>> Keep telling yourselves that.
>>>
>>> And KSODs and BSODs never happen with Windows, either. Get a life,
>>> flatline.
>>
>> Upgraded 12 systems to Windows 7 and not a single problem.
>> Everything just works.
>> I'm not sure what you and your friends are doing wrong, but it
>> works fine for me.
>>
>> I have a life BTW.
>> The reason I have a life is because I don't run Ubuntu which
>> consumes time like a cheap whore consumes sperm.
>>
>> You Linux freaks spend all your time making Linux work.
>> It's a losing battle BTW.
>>
>> Almost 20 years and Linux still is less than 1 percent of the
>> desktop market.
>> That's a failure in most people's eyes.
>>
>> It's pretty pathetic when something that is free is ignored.
>
> It's pretty pathetic to troll a Linux group. If Linux is so bad why do
> you need to spend so much time telling us that. Let us suffer the Tux
> and move on with your life.
>
> Whatever issues I've had with Linux have been good learning experiences
> and pale in comparison to the nightmare scenarios I've witnessed
> viacaroiusly in just the past month where people using Windows have had
> varying levels of infection with scareware and viruses. I took a
> friend's laptop that had severely infected XP and a crashing hardrive,
> replaced the hard drive after successfully running Puppy, and
> installed

And the faulty HD was Windows fault was it?

> Karmic. My friend likes it and just asked me to install Linux on his
> son's and ex's computers.

Are they aware of that?

Does the son mind not being to play his games anymore?

It might be worth checking ....
 
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Flightless Bird
On 01/24/2010 07:27 PM, Hadron wrote:
> *Hemidactylus*<ecphoric@hotmail.com> writes:
>
>> On 01/24/2010 01:27 AM, Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>>> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 06:15:57 +0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 00:37:59 -0500, Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> So now what?
>>>>> Boots to a CLI.
>>>>> The person who owns this system is not happy. She clicked update and
>>>>> that was it.
>>>>> Gone good bye.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yea Linux is great.
>>>>> Sure it is.
>>>>> Keep telling yourselves that.
>>>>
>>>> And KSODs and BSODs never happen with Windows, either. Get a life,
>>>> flatline.
>>>
>>> Upgraded 12 systems to Windows 7 and not a single problem.
>>> Everything just works.
>>> I'm not sure what you and your friends are doing wrong, but it
>>> works fine for me.
>>>
>>> I have a life BTW.
>>> The reason I have a life is because I don't run Ubuntu which
>>> consumes time like a cheap whore consumes sperm.
>>>
>>> You Linux freaks spend all your time making Linux work.
>>> It's a losing battle BTW.
>>>
>>> Almost 20 years and Linux still is less than 1 percent of the
>>> desktop market.
>>> That's a failure in most people's eyes.
>>>
>>> It's pretty pathetic when something that is free is ignored.
>>
>> It's pretty pathetic to troll a Linux group. If Linux is so bad why do
>> you need to spend so much time telling us that. Let us suffer the Tux
>> and move on with your life.
>>
>> Whatever issues I've had with Linux have been good learning experiences
>> and pale in comparison to the nightmare scenarios I've witnessed
>> viacaroiusly in just the past month where people using Windows have had
>> varying levels of infection with scareware and viruses. I took a
>> friend's laptop that had severely infected XP and a crashing hardrive,
>> replaced the hard drive after successfully running Puppy, and
>> installed
>
> And the faulty HD was Windows fault was it?

Did I imply it was! Jeez!


>> Karmic. My friend likes it and just asked me to install Linux on his
>> son's and ex's computers.
>
> Are they aware of that?
>
> Does the son mind not being to play his games anymore?
>
> It might be worth checking ....

I will. I even asked if they would think Linux to be too different.
Maybe the son has no games. I dunno. Won't have to worry as much about
malware anymore and would be weaned from the Windows world.

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Flightless Bird
On 2010-01-24, Terry Porter <linux-2@netspace.net.au> wrote:
>
>
> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:12:37 -0600, Ignoramus12856 wrote:
>
>> On 2010-01-24, JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> wrote:
>>> On 2010-01-24, Ignoramus12856 <ignoramus12856@NOSPAM.12856.invalid>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2010-01-24, RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 00:56:19 -0600, Ignoramus27518 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2010-01-24, RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 00:39:51 -0600, Ignoramus27518 wrote:
>>> [deletia]
>>>>>> The "problem" is that pulseaudio support on ubuntu is full of bugs,
>>>>>> hence disappearance of sound, and another problem is that in this
>>>>>> situation, old firefox does not actually die, though the window goes
>>>>>> away.
>>>>>
>>>>> Applications also do this sort of thing in Windows. The advantage of
>>>>> Linux is that you have a kill command. (Look it up.)
>>>>
>>>> I am not sure whny you insist on comparing to Windows, but, if so,
>>>> Windows does have a kill command, it is called task manager.
>>>
>>> ...so does Ubuntu.
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> Figuring all of that out requires some googling skills, knowledge of
>>>>>> "ps", "grep" and other general Unix troubleshooting skills. If the
>>>>>> user could do it, open terminal, and type something like "killall
>>>>>> firefox", he or she would be able to continue, but a less skillful
>>>>>> person would just give up.
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh, so you know about the resolution -- and yet you claim that there
>>>>> is "zero chance of resolution." Not very convincing, WinTroll.
>>>>
>>>> I have used Linux since 1995. So I know a few things.
>>>
>>> You are certainly good at hiding this fact.
>>>
>>> [deletia]
>>>
>>> Perhaps you used Linux once in 1995. It would certainly explain
>>> your
>>> rather dated view on things.
>>>
>>>
>> I used it as my main OS since 1995 when I bought my first PC.

You still sound like someone that hasn't used Linux since 1998.

Perhaps you should specifically avoid commenting about more modern
forms of Linux and make sure you don't cross post in the fora for them.

[deletia]

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Flightless Bird
On 01/24/2010 05:01 PM, Hadron wrote:
> RonB<ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:07:53 +0100, Hadron wrote:
>>
>>> WronG was inspired by the stirring speeches of Keith Bigshot recently
>>> and has decided to nail a stake into the ground to proclaim his own OSS
>>> immortality and vision. Unfortunately WronG just shuffles distros and
>>> knows jack about Linux or any of the OSS apps. And, like Keith "Now its
>>> in Python expect huge improvements" Bigshot, he contributes nothing
>>> himself. For WronG it's all about saving a few pennies. We know that
>>> because he recently started over stating how he "purchases" Vector
>>> Linux. No one believes him. Not even himself.
>>
>> You do go on so. That's a sign of a moron, someone who just doesn't know
>> when to shut up. "Keith Bigshot?" Sorry Hadron, but unlike you, I don't
>> get into personality cults. As for "shuffling" distros, I've been
>> using
>
> Err, yes you do. WronG again. You keep going on about "drooling windows
> users". I dont go on about Linux users. I go on about idiot "advocates"
> like you.
>
>> CentOS on one computer for about a year and a half now, CentOS on my
>> laptop for about a year, OpenSUSE on another computer for over two years
>> and VectorLinux on my test machine for about 2 months (but it's a "test"
>> machine, which means I do *test* distribution on it). Not to mention that
>> Puppy Linux has been on my flash drive for over a year and a half. So,
>> unlike you, I can actually install about any Linux distribution and make
>> it work on about any computer.
>
> What are you talking about? I use Debian and have next to zero issues
> with it. I also posted an article here last year about my experiences
> with Linux on USB for sysrescue purposes.
>
> Repeating the lies from some certifiable lunatic like Dumb Willy Poaster
> and his amazing filters makes you an idiot. sorry. More of an idiot. All
> you do is go on about how YOU could not work with Windows. You don't
> "work" with Linux either since its quite apparent you don't know your
> arse from your elbow.
>
>>
>> Oh, I'm sorry, am I inadvertently pointing out your many inadequacies by
>> contrast?
>
> No.. You told more lies. But that's ok. It's what COLA "advocates" do
> ... tell lies and generally froth and sweat,
>
Just a neutral observation here. I'm used to the typical lot on the
Ubuntu newsgroup, so watching the unfamiliar personalities clash on this
crossposted thread is quite an eyeful. Obviously all you non-Ubuntu ng
folks have a storied history together.

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Flightless Bird
On 01/24/2010 08:07 PM, JEDIDIAH wrote:
> On 2010-01-24, Terry Porter<linux-2@netspace.net.au> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:12:37 -0600, Ignoramus12856 wrote:
>>
>>> On 2010-01-24, JEDIDIAH<jedi@nomad.mishnet> wrote:
>>>> On 2010-01-24, Ignoramus12856<ignoramus12856@NOSPAM.12856.invalid>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2010-01-24, RonB<ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 00:56:19 -0600, Ignoramus27518 wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2010-01-24, RonB<ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 00:39:51 -0600, Ignoramus27518 wrote:
>>>> [deletia]
>>>>>>> The "problem" is that pulseaudio support on ubuntu is full of bugs,
>>>>>>> hence disappearance of sound, and another problem is that in this
>>>>>>> situation, old firefox does not actually die, though the window goes
>>>>>>> away.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Applications also do this sort of thing in Windows. The advantage of
>>>>>> Linux is that you have a kill command. (Look it up.)
>>>>>
>>>>> I am not sure whny you insist on comparing to Windows, but, if so,
>>>>> Windows does have a kill command, it is called task manager.
>>>>
>>>> ...so does Ubuntu.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> Figuring all of that out requires some googling skills, knowledge of
>>>>>>> "ps", "grep" and other general Unix troubleshooting skills. If the
>>>>>>> user could do it, open terminal, and type something like "killall
>>>>>>> firefox", he or she would be able to continue, but a less skillful
>>>>>>> person would just give up.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh, so you know about the resolution -- and yet you claim that there
>>>>>> is "zero chance of resolution." Not very convincing, WinTroll.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have used Linux since 1995. So I know a few things.
>>>>
>>>> You are certainly good at hiding this fact.
>>>>
>>>> [deletia]
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps you used Linux once in 1995. It would certainly explain
>>>> your
>>>> rather dated view on things.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I used it as my main OS since 1995 when I bought my first PC.
>
> You still sound like someone that hasn't used Linux since 1998.
>
> Perhaps you should specifically avoid commenting about more modern
> forms of Linux and make sure you don't cross post in the fora for them.
>
> [deletia]
>
Why are you replying this to Terry Porter instead of Ignoramus12856?

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