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Rex Ballard wrote:
> On Jun 29, 11:55 pm, ray <r...@zianet.com> wrote:
>> This post from alt.windows7.general will give you an idea:
>
>> <quote>
>> I am on a new Dell XPS 8100 with Windows 7 64 bit Home Premium. On
>> this machine, a program that I use frequently, that works perfectly on
>> XP and Vista, has a video problem that causes the program's window to
>> sometimes blink every few seconds, a big annoyance. Dell technical
>> support says the problem will go away if I upgrade to Windows 7
>> Ultimate by buying a disc from them for $200.
>
> Microsoft seems to have tested only it's own XP applications for
> backward compatibility, and this apparently does NOT include Microsoft
> Office 2000 or 2003. If you purchase a machine with Windows 7
> preinstalled, the assumption is that you will also pay $163 for the
> basic version of Microsoft Office. It is also assumed that you will
> pay an additional $100/year for warranty support, and for laptops,
> another $100/year for replacement service. This for a computer that
> might only cost $350 to $400.
>
>> However, I see that
>> Microsoft has some download called Windows Anytime Upgrade, $89.95 for
>> Windows 7 Professional and $139.95 for Windows 7 Ultimate. Apparently,
>> after I install that, I will have to download Windows XP Mode and
>> Windows Virtual PC which I hope are free downloads. I don't think I
>> need to get more memory since I already have 8Gs.
>
> One of the "fuzzy areas" is whether you are legally allowed to install
> virtualization software, such as VirtualBox, VMWare, or Parallels, and
> then install a Windows XP image on one of those systems. The license
> for Windows 7 professional does permit this, as does Ultimate, but
> even this is "fuzzy" since the language could also be interpreted that
> you can only use Microsoft's VMWare image.
>
> Ironically, all versions of Windows 7 permit you to "downgrade" to
> Windows XP, and you can install the downgrade as a virtualized system,
> but you'd have to install it on native mode Linux, since Windows Home
> Premium and Windows 7 Basic only permit you to run one version of
> Windows at a time.
>
> Microsoft's license terms are one of the big reasons that corporate
> customers are clinging to Windows XP and threatening to switch to
> Linux if Microsoft attempts to force them to make an upgrade to
> Windows 7 or decides to stop supporting Windows XP or adds equally
> restrictive terms to upgrades such as Service Pack 3.
>
>> Do I really need to buy the operating system disc or is the Anytime
>> Upgrade enough?
>
> The anytime upgrade is probably enough, but you may still need to
> download the media to install/enable Windows XP functionality.
>
>> If I an not interested in Bitlocker or working in
>> multiple languages, is there any reason to go with the Ultimate
>> instead of the Professional upgrade? Thanks in advance for advice.
>> </quote>
>
> Read the licenses carefully, and then have your lawyer read them. It
> appears that you should be able to run XP functionality with Windows 7
> professional, but
>
> Here is a link to the licenses
>
> http://tinyurl.com/2u3z9dy
>
> http://download.microsoft.com/Docum...lish_f3fcb9dc-3b69-4a18-ae3c-7d7bede82812.pdf
>
> Some problems:
> Section 2.a - One copy per computer - this means that you can't
> install Windows 7 Home Premium in more than one version at at time,
> this includes downgrades to Windows XP. The same is true with Windows
> Professional.
>
> You not only can't use Microsoft libraries with WINE, you also can't
> use Microsoft Fonts with OpenOffice.
>
> Ironically, if you install Linux as the Native operating system, you
> are legally allowed to downgrade to Windows XP and install that in
> virtualized form.
>
> Many corporate customers are looking at this alternative, because of
> just the kinds of problems you are describing. Many companies are
> running on software that depends on Windows XP, and WON'T run on
> Windows 7, and new hardware has no drivers for Windows XP.
>
>> So, to get his old XP program working in win7, he only needs to spend
>> $200 - or maybe only $140. Great compatibility.
>
> OR you can install the legal downgrade, and install Linux as the
> native operating system and download Windows XP into a virtualized
> environment.
>
> The Microsoft EULA also permits you to upgrade and downgrade at will.
> You can run virtualized XP and then run virtualized Windows 7, but you
> can't run Virtualized XP ON Native Windows 7.
>
>
> On Jun 29, 11:55 pm, ray <r...@zianet.com> wrote:
>> This post from alt.windows7.general will give you an idea:
>
>> <quote>
>> I am on a new Dell XPS 8100 with Windows 7 64 bit Home Premium. On
>> this machine, a program that I use frequently, that works perfectly on
>> XP and Vista, has a video problem that causes the program's window to
>> sometimes blink every few seconds, a big annoyance. Dell technical
>> support says the problem will go away if I upgrade to Windows 7
>> Ultimate by buying a disc from them for $200.
>
> Microsoft seems to have tested only it's own XP applications for
> backward compatibility, and this apparently does NOT include Microsoft
> Office 2000 or 2003. If you purchase a machine with Windows 7
> preinstalled, the assumption is that you will also pay $163 for the
> basic version of Microsoft Office. It is also assumed that you will
> pay an additional $100/year for warranty support, and for laptops,
> another $100/year for replacement service. This for a computer that
> might only cost $350 to $400.
>
>> However, I see that
>> Microsoft has some download called Windows Anytime Upgrade, $89.95 for
>> Windows 7 Professional and $139.95 for Windows 7 Ultimate. Apparently,
>> after I install that, I will have to download Windows XP Mode and
>> Windows Virtual PC which I hope are free downloads. I don't think I
>> need to get more memory since I already have 8Gs.
>
> One of the "fuzzy areas" is whether you are legally allowed to install
> virtualization software, such as VirtualBox, VMWare, or Parallels, and
> then install a Windows XP image on one of those systems. The license
> for Windows 7 professional does permit this, as does Ultimate, but
> even this is "fuzzy" since the language could also be interpreted that
> you can only use Microsoft's VMWare image.
>
> Ironically, all versions of Windows 7 permit you to "downgrade" to
> Windows XP, and you can install the downgrade as a virtualized system,
> but you'd have to install it on native mode Linux, since Windows Home
> Premium and Windows 7 Basic only permit you to run one version of
> Windows at a time.
>
> Microsoft's license terms are one of the big reasons that corporate
> customers are clinging to Windows XP and threatening to switch to
> Linux if Microsoft attempts to force them to make an upgrade to
> Windows 7 or decides to stop supporting Windows XP or adds equally
> restrictive terms to upgrades such as Service Pack 3.
>
>> Do I really need to buy the operating system disc or is the Anytime
>> Upgrade enough?
>
> The anytime upgrade is probably enough, but you may still need to
> download the media to install/enable Windows XP functionality.
>
>> If I an not interested in Bitlocker or working in
>> multiple languages, is there any reason to go with the Ultimate
>> instead of the Professional upgrade? Thanks in advance for advice.
>> </quote>
>
> Read the licenses carefully, and then have your lawyer read them. It
> appears that you should be able to run XP functionality with Windows 7
> professional, but
>
> Here is a link to the licenses
>
> http://tinyurl.com/2u3z9dy
>
> http://download.microsoft.com/Docum...lish_f3fcb9dc-3b69-4a18-ae3c-7d7bede82812.pdf
>
> Some problems:
> Section 2.a - One copy per computer - this means that you can't
> install Windows 7 Home Premium in more than one version at at time,
> this includes downgrades to Windows XP. The same is true with Windows
> Professional.
>
> You not only can't use Microsoft libraries with WINE, you also can't
> use Microsoft Fonts with OpenOffice.
>
> Ironically, if you install Linux as the Native operating system, you
> are legally allowed to downgrade to Windows XP and install that in
> virtualized form.
>
> Many corporate customers are looking at this alternative, because of
> just the kinds of problems you are describing. Many companies are
> running on software that depends on Windows XP, and WON'T run on
> Windows 7, and new hardware has no drivers for Windows XP.
>
>> So, to get his old XP program working in win7, he only needs to spend
>> $200 - or maybe only $140. Great compatibility.
>
> OR you can install the legal downgrade, and install Linux as the
> native operating system and download Windows XP into a virtualized
> environment.
>
> The Microsoft EULA also permits you to upgrade and downgrade at will.
> You can run virtualized XP and then run virtualized Windows 7, but you
> can't run Virtualized XP ON Native Windows 7.
>
>