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Re: Cranky folders on external hard drive

Discussion in 'Windows XP' started by S K, Feb 10, 2010.

  1. S K

    S K Flightless Bird

    On Feb 10, 2:20 pm, "Pegasus [MVP]" <n...@microsoft.com> wrote:
    > "S K" <ancientang...@gmail.com> said this in news itemnews:ae26d8f4-bd7c-4600-a1f0-001a966f02cd@l26g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
    >
    >
    >
    > > I believe this problem is related to Windows (or my fingers), not to
    > > anything inherent in the external HD mentioned below. Hopefully, this
    > > is the correct group for this question:

    >
    > > I have two computers running Windows XP Pro w/SP3, and a Seagate
    > > external HD which normally resides on the desktop machine. Beginning a
    > > month ago, I needed to work remotely, so I'd copy a couple of data
    > > folders from desktop to the external HD, and then plug that into the
    > > laptop to transfer the files. This worked for 3 weeks.* But this past
    > > weekend, I used the laptop to create a new folder on the external HD,
    > > added some files, and when I moved the external HD to the desktop to
    > > grab the files, I was greeted with a msg saying "E:/foldername is not
    > > accessible. Access is denied.".

    >
    > > I was curious, so I did the reverse: Working on the desktop, created a
    > > new folder on the external HD, added a few files, and then plugged the
    > > external HD into the laptop. Same problem.

    >
    > > Any clues would be appreciated. I *think* I found one at the Microsoft
    > > web site, but I'm not sure. It suggests that I turn OFF simple file
    > > sharing on the desktop and take ownership of the stubborn folder.
    > > There are two reasons I haven't tried this yet: First, downtime on the
    > > desktop is not an option - it's used for work, and I don't know the
    > > other ramifications of disabling simple file sharing. Second, simple
    > > file sharing is already OFF at the laptop, and it's having the same
    > > problem with folders created by the desktop. So, why would it help on
    > > the desktop?

    >
    > > Help!

    >
    > > * The laptop was nowhere near the desktop machine, or I would've
    > > networked the two rather than use the external HD as the intermediary.
    > > They've since been networked (through my Linksys router), but that
    > > won't always be the case, so I need to solve this problem.

    >
    > Make sure to log on under the same account name/password on the two
    > machines.


    It's that simple? The account name on the desktop uses my last name
    and on the laptop, it's my first name. Same password for both. Is it
    enough to change one of the names, or do I need to create a whole new
    account with the matching name on one of the machines?
     
  2. John Wunderlich

    John Wunderlich Flightless Bird

    S K <ancientangler@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:f2d50e54-8e3b-473c-ab0d-77c58332dddb@z1g2000vbo.googlegroups.com
    :

    > On Feb 10, 2:20 pm, "Pegasus [MVP]" <n...@microsoft.com> wrote:
    >> "S K" <ancientang...@gmail.com> said this in news
    >> itemnews:ae26d8f4-bd7c-
    >> 4600-a1f0-001a966f02cd@l26g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>> I believe this problem is related to Windows (or my fingers),
    >>> not to anything inherent in the external HD mentioned below.
    >>> Hopefully, this is the correct group for this question:

    >>
    >>> I have two computers running Windows XP Pro w/SP3, and a Seagate
    >>> external HD which normally resides on the desktop machine.
    >>> Beginning a month ago, I needed to work remotely, so I'd copy a
    >>> couple of data folders from desktop to the external HD, and then
    >>> plug that into the laptop to transfer the files. This worked for
    >>> 3 weeks.* But this past weekend, I used the laptop to create a
    >>> new folder on the external HD, added some files, and when I
    >>> moved the external HD to the desktop to grab the files, I was
    >>> greeted with a msg saying "E:/foldername is not accessible.
    >>> Access is denied.".

    >>
    >>> I was curious, so I did the reverse: Working on the desktop,
    >>> created a new folder on the external HD, added a few files, and
    >>> then plugged the external HD into the laptop. Same problem.

    >>
    >>> Any clues would be appreciated. I *think* I found one at the
    >>> Microsoft web site, but I'm not sure. It suggests that I turn
    >>> OFF simple file sharing on the desktop and take ownership of the
    >>> stubborn folder. There are two reasons I haven't tried this yet:
    >>> First, downtime on the desktop is not an option - it's used for
    >>> work, and I don't know the other ramifications of disabling
    >>> simple file sharing. Second, simple file sharing is already OFF
    >>> at the laptop, and it's having the same problem with folders
    >>> created by the desktop. So, why would it help on the desktop?

    >>
    >>> Help!

    >>
    >>> * The laptop was nowhere near the desktop machine, or I would've
    >>> networked the two rather than use the external HD as the
    >>> intermediary. They've since been networked (through my Linksys
    >>> router), but that won't always be the case, so I need to solve
    >>> this problem.

    >>
    >> Make sure to log on under the same account name/password on the
    >> two machines.

    >
    > It's that simple? The account name on the desktop uses my last
    > name and on the laptop, it's my first name. Same password for
    > both. Is it enough to change one of the names, or do I need to
    > create a whole new account with the matching name on one of the
    > machines?
    >


    IMHO, accounts with same name/password will work for _networking_ two
    machines together, but when moving an external drive between them,
    security will be set up with a SID which will be different on both
    machines no matter what you do ... and the other machine is not
    around to authenticate the password. I'm betting on this not working
    for your situation...

    -- John
     
  3. S K

    S K Flightless Bird

    On Feb 10, 10:01 pm, John Wunderlich <jwunderl...@lycos.com> wrote:
    > S K <ancientang...@gmail.com> wrote innews:f2d50e54-8e3b-473c-ab0d-77c58332dddb@z1g2000vbo.googlegroups.com
    > :
    >
    >
    >
    > > On Feb 10, 2:20 pm, "Pegasus [MVP]" <n...@microsoft.com> wrote:
    > >> "S K" <ancientang...@gmail.com> said this in news
    > >> itemnews:ae26d8f4-bd7c-
    > >> 4600-a1f0-001a966f0...@l26g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...

    >
    > >>> I believe this problem is related to Windows (or my fingers),
    > >>> not to anything inherent in the external HD mentioned below.
    > >>> Hopefully, this is the correct group for this question:

    >
    > >>> I have two computers running Windows XP Pro w/SP3, and a Seagate
    > >>> external HD which normally resides on the desktop machine.
    > >>> Beginning a month ago, I needed to work remotely, so I'd copy a
    > >>> couple of data folders from desktop to the external HD, and then
    > >>> plug that into the laptop to transfer the files. This worked for
    > >>> 3 weeks.* But this past weekend, I used the laptop to create a
    > >>> new folder on the external HD, added some files, and when I
    > >>> moved the external HD to the desktop to grab the files, I was
    > >>> greeted with a msg saying "E:/foldername is not accessible.
    > >>> Access is denied.".

    >
    > >>> I was curious, so I did the reverse: Working on the desktop,
    > >>> created a new folder on the external HD, added a few files, and
    > >>> then plugged the external HD into the laptop. Same problem.

    >
    > >>> Any clues would be appreciated. I *think* I found one at the
    > >>> Microsoft web site, but I'm not sure. It suggests that I turn
    > >>> OFF simple file sharing on the desktop and take ownership of the
    > >>> stubborn folder. There are two reasons I haven't tried this yet:
    > >>> First, downtime on the desktop is not an option - it's used for
    > >>> work, and I don't know the other ramifications of disabling
    > >>> simple file sharing. Second, simple file sharing is already OFF
    > >>> at the laptop, and it's having the same problem with folders
    > >>> created by the desktop. So, why would it help on the desktop?

    >
    > >>> Help!

    >
    > >>> * The laptop was nowhere near the desktop machine, or I would've
    > >>> networked the two rather than use the external HD as the
    > >>> intermediary. They've since been networked (through my Linksys
    > >>> router), but that won't always be the case, so I need to solve
    > >>> this problem.

    >
    > >> Make sure to log on under the same account name/password on the
    > >> two machines.

    >
    > > It's that simple? The account name on the desktop uses my last
    > > name and on the laptop, it's my first name. Same password for
    > > both. Is it enough to change one of the names, or do I need to
    > > create a whole new account with the matching name on one of the
    > > machines?

    >
    > IMHO, accounts with same name/password will work for _networking_ two
    > machines together, but when moving an external drive between them,
    > security will be set up with a SID which will be different on both
    > machines no matter what you do ... and the other machine is not
    > around to authenticate the password.  I'm betting on this not working
    > for your situation...
    >
    > -- John



    Haven't bothered trying it yet. If it turns the laptop into a total
    mess for some (likely) reason, I need that to happen on a weekend when
    I have time to deal with the situation. Meanwhile, your permissions
    trick solved the problem so that I could access a folder on the
    laptop, but when the HD was moved back to the desktop, *IT* couldn't
    access that folder (originally created on the desktop).
     
  4. John Wunderlich

    John Wunderlich Flightless Bird

    S K <ancientangler@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:01b6a35b-7b69-481c-8ef4-1bba974a8f80@a5g2000yqi.googlegroups.com
    :

    > Haven't bothered trying it yet. If it turns the laptop into a
    > total mess for some (likely) reason, I need that to happen on a
    > weekend when I have time to deal with the situation. Meanwhile,
    > your permissions trick solved the problem so that I could access a
    > folder on the laptop, but when the HD was moved back to the
    > desktop, *IT* couldn't access that folder (originally created on
    > the desktop).


    Hmmm. I would not have guessed that.
    From a command prompt window (start->Run->"cmd") Try entering the
    command:
    cacls g:/folder
    to find out what permisions Windows thinks is on the folder (where
    "g:/folder" is the drive/folder of your external drive). I can't
    remember whether "cacls" is part of windows or part of a resource kit
    but you should be able to find the program if you don't have it.

    HTH,
    John
     

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