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QoS RSVP service (XP)

H

Hickory

Flightless Bird
My understanding is that this service is no longer needed in XP (SP2). I
have disabled this using "services.msc" under Run. However, sometimes it is
turned back on (and I am not doing it manually). My question -- Does anyone
have any ideas how QoS might get re-enabled -- any software, ISP server or
whatever.

So, why do I care? Sending an email with a large attachment is sometimes
VERY, VERY slow. For example, I have a 1mb file (not all that big) I send as
an attachment and it takes up to ten minutes. If I disable QoS, sending the
same email is at least 10 times faster. But, QoS somehow keeps getting
re-enabled.

Any ideas will be really appreciated.
 
P

PA Bear [MS MVP]

Flightless Bird
I'll answer your question with a question: Why isn't SP3 installed yet?

Computers running WinXP SP2 will NOT be offered any further critical
security updates, Automatic Updates will cease to function, and Windows
Update website will not be available after 10 July 2010 until SP3 is
installed.
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002
www.banthecheck.com


Hickory wrote:
> My understanding is that this service is no longer needed in XP (SP2). I
> have disabled this using "services.msc" under Run. However, sometimes it
> is
> turned back on (and I am not doing it manually). My question -- Does
> anyone
> have any ideas how QoS might get re-enabled -- any software, ISP server or
> whatever.
>
> So, why do I care? Sending an email with a large attachment is sometimes
> VERY, VERY slow. For example, I have a 1mb file (not all that big) I send
> as an attachment and it takes up to ten minutes. If I disable QoS,
> sending
> the same email is at least 10 times faster. But, QoS somehow keeps
> getting
> re-enabled.
>
> Any ideas will be really appreciated.
 
A

ANONYMOUS

Flightless Bird
PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:

> I'll answer your question with a question: Why isn't SP3 installed yet?
>

Because he doesn't trust nutters like you forcing him to do things he
doesn't want.

> Computers running WinXP SP2 will NOT be offered any further critical
> security updates, Automatic Updates will cease to function, and
> Windows Update website will not be available after 10 July 2010 until
> SP3 is installed.


What has this got to do with OP's question?
 
A

ANONYMOUS

Flightless Bird
Hickory wrote:

>My understanding is that this service is no longer needed in XP (SP2). I
>have disabled this using "services.msc" under Run. However, sometimes it is
>turned back on (and I am not doing it manually). My question -- Does anyone
>have any ideas how QoS might get re-enabled -- any software, ISP server or
>whatever.
>
>So, why do I care? Sending an email with a large attachment is sometimes
>VERY, VERY slow. For example, I have a 1mb file (not all that big) I send as
>an attachment and it takes up to ten minutes. If I disable QoS, sending the
>same email is at least 10 times faster. But, QoS somehow keeps getting
>re-enabled.
>
>Any ideas will be really appreciated.
>
>

You do need QoS RSVP if you are still using Windows Wireless Control
rather than your Wireless manufacturer's own software. I use M$ so I
have got it in my Win XP SP3.

You can rename the file rsvp.exe which is found in:

C:/WINDOWS\system32\rsvp.exe

hth
 
T

Thee Chicago Wolf (MVP)

Flightless Bird
>My understanding is that this service is no longer needed in XP (SP2). I
>have disabled this using "services.msc" under Run. However, sometimes it is
>turned back on (and I am not doing it manually). My question -- Does anyone
>have any ideas how QoS might get re-enabled -- any software, ISP server or
>whatever.
>
>So, why do I care? Sending an email with a large attachment is sometimes
>VERY, VERY slow. For example, I have a 1mb file (not all that big) I send as
>an attachment and it takes up to ten minutes. If I disable QoS, sending the
>same email is at least 10 times faster. But, QoS somehow keeps getting
>re-enabled.
>
>Any ideas will be really appreciated.


QoS is mainly for making sure streaming video and stuff isn't herky
jerky. These days with Broadband, it's irrelevant. Do this: Control
Panel > Network Connections > right-click Local Area Connection, click
Properties > if you see QoS listed, click it, click uninstall. That
should set you straight. Let me know if it helps.
 
H

Hickory

Flightless Bird
PA Bear is not a nutter (I've seen some good answers from him). BUT, your
conclusion is correct that the reply has nothing to do with the original
problem.

But, again, my question actually is "Does anyone know what might re-enable
QoS RSVP?" Are you suggesting that, by renaming rsvp.exe, that it can't get
turned on? Also, I am not using any wireless.

Many thanks

"ANONYMOUS" wrote:

> Hickory wrote:
>
> >My understanding is that this service is no longer needed in XP (SP2). I
> >have disabled this using "services.msc" under Run. However, sometimes it is
> >turned back on (and I am not doing it manually). My question -- Does anyone
> >have any ideas how QoS might get re-enabled -- any software, ISP server or
> >whatever.
> >
> >So, why do I care? Sending an email with a large attachment is sometimes
> >VERY, VERY slow. For example, I have a 1mb file (not all that big) I send as
> >an attachment and it takes up to ten minutes. If I disable QoS, sending the
> >same email is at least 10 times faster. But, QoS somehow keeps getting
> >re-enabled.
> >
> >Any ideas will be really appreciated.
> >
> >

> You do need QoS RSVP if you are still using Windows Wireless Control
> rather than your Wireless manufacturer's own software. I use M$ so I
> have got it in my Win XP SP3.
>
> You can rename the file rsvp.exe which is found in:
>
> C:/WINDOWS\system32\rsvp.exe
>
> hth
> .
>
 
P

Peter Foldes

Flightless Bird
Install SP3 to answer your question

--
Peter

Please Reply to Newsgroup for the benefit of others
Requests for assistance by email can not and will not be acknowledged.

"Hickory" <Hickory@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:0E5907A3-48A4-4C8D-921B-6A2CD55FB5D0@microsoft.com...
> PA Bear is not a nutter (I've seen some good answers from him). BUT, your
> conclusion is correct that the reply has nothing to do with the original
> problem.
>
> But, again, my question actually is "Does anyone know what might re-enable
> QoS RSVP?" Are you suggesting that, by renaming rsvp.exe, that it can't get
> turned on? Also, I am not using any wireless.
>
> Many thanks
>
> "ANONYMOUS" wrote:
>
>> Hickory wrote:
>>
>> >My understanding is that this service is no longer needed in XP (SP2). I
>> >have disabled this using "services.msc" under Run. However, sometimes it is
>> >turned back on (and I am not doing it manually). My question -- Does anyone
>> >have any ideas how QoS might get re-enabled -- any software, ISP server or
>> >whatever.
>> >
>> >So, why do I care? Sending an email with a large attachment is sometimes
>> >VERY, VERY slow. For example, I have a 1mb file (not all that big) I send as
>> >an attachment and it takes up to ten minutes. If I disable QoS, sending the
>> >same email is at least 10 times faster. But, QoS somehow keeps getting
>> >re-enabled.
>> >
>> >Any ideas will be really appreciated.
>> >
>> >

>> You do need QoS RSVP if you are still using Windows Wireless Control
>> rather than your Wireless manufacturer's own software. I use M$ so I
>> have got it in my Win XP SP3.
>>
>> You can rename the file rsvp.exe which is found in:
>>
>> C:/WINDOWS\system32\rsvp.exe
>>
>> hth
>> .
>>
 
H

Hickory

Flightless Bird
This is really frustrating. What are you suggesting by that reply.
Won't anyone just answer the question?
I have some very old software that I really depend on; I am happy with the
system I have (albeit there are some issues, of course); I do not like to
download/upgrade/whatever software unless I know what is being changed.

Well, thanks anyway.

"Peter Foldes" wrote:

> Install SP3 to answer your question
>
> --
> Peter
>
> Please Reply to Newsgroup for the benefit of others
> Requests for assistance by email can not and will not be acknowledged.
>
> "Hickory" <Hickory@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:0E5907A3-48A4-4C8D-921B-6A2CD55FB5D0@microsoft.com...
> > PA Bear is not a nutter (I've seen some good answers from him). BUT, your
> > conclusion is correct that the reply has nothing to do with the original
> > problem.
> >
> > But, again, my question actually is "Does anyone know what might re-enable
> > QoS RSVP?" Are you suggesting that, by renaming rsvp.exe, that it can't get
> > turned on? Also, I am not using any wireless.
> >
> > Many thanks
> >
> > "ANONYMOUS" wrote:
> >
> >> Hickory wrote:
> >>
> >> >My understanding is that this service is no longer needed in XP (SP2). I
> >> >have disabled this using "services.msc" under Run. However, sometimes it is
> >> >turned back on (and I am not doing it manually). My question -- Does anyone
> >> >have any ideas how QoS might get re-enabled -- any software, ISP server or
> >> >whatever.
> >> >
> >> >So, why do I care? Sending an email with a large attachment is sometimes
> >> >VERY, VERY slow. For example, I have a 1mb file (not all that big) I send as
> >> >an attachment and it takes up to ten minutes. If I disable QoS, sending the
> >> >same email is at least 10 times faster. But, QoS somehow keeps getting
> >> >re-enabled.
> >> >
> >> >Any ideas will be really appreciated.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> You do need QoS RSVP if you are still using Windows Wireless Control
> >> rather than your Wireless manufacturer's own software. I use M$ so I
> >> have got it in my Win XP SP3.
> >>
> >> You can rename the file rsvp.exe which is found in:
> >>
> >> C:/WINDOWS\system32\rsvp.exe
> >>
> >> hth
> >> .
> >>

>
> .
>
 
D

Daave

Flightless Bird
Hickory wrote:
> My understanding is that this service is no longer needed in XP
> (SP2). I have disabled this using "services.msc" under Run.
> However, sometimes it is turned back on (and I am not doing it
> manually). My question -- Does anyone have any ideas how QoS might
> get re-enabled -- any software, ISP server or whatever.
>
> So, why do I care? Sending an email with a large attachment is
> sometimes VERY, VERY slow. For example, I have a 1mb file (not all
> that big) I send as an attachment and it takes up to ten minutes. If
> I disable QoS, sending the same email is at least 10 times faster.
> But, QoS somehow keeps getting re-enabled.
>
> Any ideas will be really appreciated.


You need to change the Startup type from Automatic to Manual:

Start | Run | type "services.msc" (without the quotation marks) | OK

Double-click QoS RSVP

If the service has been started, click the Stop button.

For Startup Type, select Manual

Click OK.

Also, I agree with PA Bear with regard to your SP level. Support for SP2
ends this spring. You should definitely upgrade to SP3 (which will be
supported through 2014). When you are ready to do so, post back for
guidance since there are certain precautions you need to take before
upgrading, and we weill be happy to provide guidance.
 
J

Jose

Flightless Bird
On Jan 15, 5:01 pm, Hickory <Hick...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
> My understanding is that this service is no longer needed in XP (SP2).  I
> have disabled this using "services.msc" under Run.  However, sometimes it is
> turned back on (and I am not doing it manually).  My question -- Does anyone
> have any ideas how QoS might get re-enabled -- any software, ISP server or
> whatever.
>
> So, why do I care?  Sending an email with a large attachment is sometimes
> VERY, VERY slow.  For example, I have a 1mb file (not all that big) I send as
> an attachment and it takes up to ten minutes.  If I disable QoS, sending the
> same email is at least 10 times faster.  But, QoS somehow keeps getting
> re-enabled.
>
> Any ideas will be really appreciated.


If you set the QoS Service to manual (you did not say), that does not
keep some "QoS Aware" application from starting it if it thinks it
need to. There are many rumors about QoS but you will have to
research to see if you are using Qos Aware applications that may be
starting it behind your back. It is certainly on my list of Services
to disable.

Setting it to manual does not equal disable.

If you disable it, you will only be able to start it from Services.
Nobody (including you) should be able to start it - even from a CMD
prompts. Try it.

From Services, stop Qos and set it manual and then, from a command
prompt enter:

net start rsvp

It will start and tell you so. Stop the service and set it to
Disabled and you will not be able to start it again.

If you disable it and you find it started, there will be an System
Event Log message that it started and that that will give you clues.
It would be most curious.

To stop the service manually,

net stop rsvp
 
P

PA Bear [MS MVP]

Flightless Bird
Repost: Computers running WinXP SP2 will NOT be offered any further critical
security updates, Automatic Updates will cease to function, and Windows
Update website will not be available after 10 July 2010 until SP3 is
installed.

@anonymous: <bite me>


Hickory wrote:
> This is really frustrating. What are you suggesting by that reply.
> Won't anyone just answer the question?
> I have some very old software that I really depend on; I am happy with the
> system I have (albeit there are some issues, of course); I do not like to
> download/upgrade/whatever software unless I know what is being changed.
 
H

Hickory

Flightless Bird
Thanks to Daave and Jose.

I have always Disabled QoS RSVP, never set it to Manual. I have done this
several times. Then, next day OR maybe even a couple of weeks later, QoS is
back to running again. I am the only account on this PC and the only user.
I know I haven't set QoS to Automatic or Manual.

This all goes back to the problem in my initial post. If, for example, I
send an email with a 1mb attachment, it may transmit very slowly. Task
Manager Network utilization shows roughly 0.04% with Bytes per Interval of
21,000, then 600, then 240, back to 21k and repeated over and over. Often
these transmissions fail and I have to start over again. When working OK,
Task Manager shows Network utilization at about 0.45% with Bytes per Interval
of, say, 131,000, 120,000 than back to 131k and so forth. Download time for
the same file (when I send to myself) is nearly twice as fast, as I expect.
This "slow" versus "fast" is seemingly random, that is, it runs fast every
time for a while, then for some reason, slow every time until I do something.

If sending is slow, I look at QoS RSVP. If running, I again Disable it,
then email is sent quite fast again. But, the problem always returns. I
have no idea why.

I do not track web surfing since there are so many variables. What's being
searched, how many pages, what is their server doing, etc.?

More than a year ago, I downloaded DrTCP021 as recommended on this forum. I
ran it using the settings suggested. My understanding is that all it does is
set some register entries. If email is again very slow, the problem may be
fixed temporarily by running DrTCP021 and saving the settings even though I
make NO changes. I don't know why this works either. (Does anyone know what
register entries are set by this program -- I would like to be able to
confirm the values in the registry.)

So, the bottom line is that sending an email with an attachment of more than
several K may be very slow, then I "fix" the problem by disabling QoS or
running DrTCP without changing anything and voila!, it runs fast again --
until something happens and it runs slow again. I have been over a year
trying to figure out what "something" is.

This has been checked with our local ISP/carrier and with a local PC
technician. No answers or solutions even though I know they have tried.
This is not malware as the PC has been checked with Norton (ughh??) and
Spy-Bot as well as the PC technician with a different virus program.

I have a Dell 4700 with XP. The NIC card is an Intel Pro/100 VE using an
Ethernet cable. There are no connected PC's or other equipment and no
wireless.

This one has me, our ISP and local technician really stumped. Many thanks
to anyone who has any ideas.


"Jose" wrote:

> On Jan 15, 5:01 pm, Hickory <Hick...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
> > My understanding is that this service is no longer needed in XP (SP2). I
> > have disabled this using "services.msc" under Run. However, sometimes it is
> > turned back on (and I am not doing it manually). My question -- Does anyone
> > have any ideas how QoS might get re-enabled -- any software, ISP server or
> > whatever.
> >
> > So, why do I care? Sending an email with a large attachment is sometimes
> > VERY, VERY slow. For example, I have a 1mb file (not all that big) I send as
> > an attachment and it takes up to ten minutes. If I disable QoS, sending the
> > same email is at least 10 times faster. But, QoS somehow keeps getting
> > re-enabled.
> >
> > Any ideas will be really appreciated.

>
> If you set the QoS Service to manual (you did not say), that does not
> keep some "QoS Aware" application from starting it if it thinks it
> need to. There are many rumors about QoS but you will have to
> research to see if you are using Qos Aware applications that may be
> starting it behind your back. It is certainly on my list of Services
> to disable.
>
> Setting it to manual does not equal disable.
>
> If you disable it, you will only be able to start it from Services.
> Nobody (including you) should be able to start it - even from a CMD
> prompts. Try it.
>
> From Services, stop Qos and set it manual and then, from a command
> prompt enter:
>
> net start rsvp
>
> It will start and tell you so. Stop the service and set it to
> Disabled and you will not be able to start it again.
>
> If you disable it and you find it started, there will be an System
> Event Log message that it started and that that will give you clues.
> It would be most curious.
>
> To stop the service manually,
>
> net stop rsvp
> .
>
 
J

Jose

Flightless Bird
On Jan 16, 2:49 pm, Hickory <Hick...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
> Thanks to Daave and Jose.
>
> I have always Disabled QoS RSVP, never set it to Manual.  I have done this
> several times.  Then, next day OR maybe even a couple of weeks later, QoS is
> back to running again.  I am the only account on this PC and the only user.  
> I know I haven't set QoS to Automatic or Manual.
>
> This all goes back to the problem in my initial post.  If, for example,I
> send an email with a 1mb attachment, it may transmit very slowly.  Task
> Manager Network utilization shows roughly 0.04% with Bytes per Interval of
> 21,000, then 600, then 240, back to 21k and repeated over and over.  Often
> these transmissions fail and I have to start over again.  When working OK,
> Task Manager shows Network utilization at about 0.45% with Bytes per Interval
> of, say, 131,000, 120,000 than back to 131k and so forth.  Download time for
> the same file (when I send to myself) is nearly twice as fast, as I expect.  
> This "slow" versus "fast" is seemingly random, that is, it runs fast every
> time for a while, then for some reason, slow every time until I do something.
>
> If sending is slow, I look at QoS RSVP.  If running, I again Disable it,
> then email is sent quite fast again.  But, the problem always returns.  I
> have no idea why.
>
> I do not track web surfing since there are so many variables.  What's being
> searched, how many pages, what is their server doing, etc.?
>
> More than a year ago, I downloaded DrTCP021 as recommended on this forum. I
> ran it using the settings suggested.  My understanding is that all it does is
> set some register entries.  If email is again very slow, the problem may be
> fixed temporarily by running DrTCP021 and saving the settings even thoughI
> make NO changes.  I don't know why this works either.  (Does anyone know what
> register entries are set by this program -- I would like to be able to
> confirm the values in the registry.)
>
> So, the bottom line is that sending an email with an attachment of more than
> several K may be very slow, then I "fix" the problem by disabling QoS or
> running DrTCP without changing anything and voila!, it runs fast again --
> until something happens and it runs slow again.  I have been over a year
> trying to figure out what "something" is.
>
> This has been checked with our local ISP/carrier and with a local PC
> technician.  No answers or solutions even though I know they have tried..  
> This is not malware as the PC has been checked with Norton (ughh??) and
> Spy-Bot as well as the PC technician with a different virus program.
>
> I have a Dell 4700 with XP.  The NIC card is an Intel Pro/100 VE using an
> Ethernet cable.  There are no connected PC's or other equipment and no
> wireless.
>
> This one has me, our ISP and local technician really stumped.  Many thanks
> to anyone who has any ideas.
>
>
>
> "Jose" wrote:
> > On Jan 15, 5:01 pm, Hickory <Hick...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
> > > My understanding is that this service is no longer needed in XP (SP2)..  I
> > > have disabled this using "services.msc" under Run.  However, sometimes it is
> > > turned back on (and I am not doing it manually).  My question -- Does anyone
> > > have any ideas how QoS might get re-enabled -- any software, ISP server or
> > > whatever.

>
> > > So, why do I care?  Sending an email with a large attachment is sometimes
> > > VERY, VERY slow.  For example, I have a 1mb file (not all that big)I send as
> > > an attachment and it takes up to ten minutes.  If I disable QoS, sending the
> > > same email is at least 10 times faster.  But, QoS somehow keeps getting
> > > re-enabled.

>
> > > Any ideas will be really appreciated.

>
> > If you set the QoS Service to manual (you did not say), that does not
> > keep some "QoS Aware" application from starting it if it thinks it
> > need to.  There are many rumors about QoS but you will have to
> > research to see if you are using Qos Aware applications that may be
> > starting it behind your back.  It is certainly on my list of Services
> > to disable.

>
> > Setting it to manual does not equal disable.

>
> > If you disable it, you will only be able to start it from Services.
> > Nobody (including you) should be able to start it - even from a CMD
> > prompts.  Try it.

>
> > From Services, stop Qos and set it manual and then, from a command
> > prompt enter:

>
> > net start rsvp

>
> > It will start and tell you so.  Stop the service and set it to
> > Disabled and you will not be able to start it again.

>
> > If you disable it and you find it started, there will be an System
> > Event Log message that it started and that that will give you clues.
> > It would be most curious.

>
> > To stop the service manually,

>
> > net stop rsvp
> > .


What are you using for your email client?

What is DrTCP021 supposed to do and how do you know if you "need" it?
I read it "does some things to make it faster maybe" and those posts
were really old and I am not trying some executable thing that might
work maybe. Someplace else said it was all BS.

Did that put anything in your configuration/startup that you can see?

If you disable the service and reboot, you should not even be able to
start it manually until you enable it or set it to manual again - is
that not what you see?

If QoS is disabled and you send your email attachment does it start
running? When it starts, it puts an event in the Event Log.

You should troubleshoot your system when it is broken of course. If
you suspect upload/download, then do some tests.

www.speedtest.net (Comcast likes this one - beware of ads)

http://www.bandwidth.com/tools/speedTest/

See what your speeds are. Find an intelligent person from your ISP
(this may take several calls) and ask them what they advertise the
upload/download speeds are supposed to be for the type of service you
are paying for and how can you test it right now with them on the
phone.

Do not volunteer the results of your own testing or any unnecessary
details.

Tell them you think your stuff takes too long and ask them how you can
confirm and test your upload/download speeds are okay using whatever
methods or WWW sites they suggest. Just - how do I test it to be
sure I am getting what I pay for. You may be getting better than what
they advertise or you may have to call them on it.

If you run the test they suggest and it sucks, get them to (make them)
help you fix it or explain it. If it is too slow, don't accept any of
that "unusually heavy traffic" BS. Comcast came out to my friends
house and replaced everything from the pole in the street to his
laptop when they could not explain only 25% of their advertised
speed. They got it going. I was ROTFLMAO and I don't use acronyms
very much.

QoS doesn't seem to make any difference on my system with those tests,
but I am leaving it disabled and I can't remember when I did decided
to turn it off.
 
P

PA Bear [MS MVP]

Flightless Bird
Disable email scanning by your anti-virus application. It provides no
additional protection, it may be causing the problem, and even Symantec says
it's not necessary:

<QP>
Disabling Email Scanning does not leave you unprotected against viruses that
are distributed as email attachments. Norton AntiVirus Auto-Protect scans
incoming files as they are saved to your hard drive, including email and
email attachments. Email Scanning is just another layer on top of this. To
make sure that Auto-Protect is providing the maximum protection, keep
Auto-Protect enabled and run LiveUpdate regularly to ensure that you have
the most recent virus definitions.
</QP>
http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT/nav.nsf/docid/2002111812533106

Why you don't need your anti-virus to scan your email
http://thundercloud.net/infoave/tutorials/email-scanning/index.htm


Hickory wrote:
> Thanks to Daave and Jose.
>
> I have always Disabled QoS RSVP, never set it to Manual. I have done this
> several times. Then, next day OR maybe even a couple of weeks later, QoS
> is
> back to running again. I am the only account on this PC and the only
> user.
> I know I haven't set QoS to Automatic or Manual.
>
> This all goes back to the problem in my initial post. If, for example, I
> send an email with a 1mb attachment, it may transmit very slowly. Task
> Manager Network utilization shows roughly 0.04% with Bytes per Interval of
> 21,000, then 600, then 240, back to 21k and repeated over and over. Often
> these transmissions fail and I have to start over again. When working OK,
> Task Manager shows Network utilization at about 0.45% with Bytes per
> Interval of, say, 131,000, 120,000 than back to 131k and so forth.
> Download time for the same file (when I send to myself) is nearly twice as
> fast, as I expect. This "slow" versus "fast" is seemingly random, that is,
> it runs fast every time for a while, then for some reason, slow every time
> until I do something.
>
> If sending is slow, I look at QoS RSVP. If running, I again Disable it,
> then email is sent quite fast again. But, the problem always returns. I
> have no idea why.
>
> I do not track web surfing since there are so many variables. What's
> being
> searched, how many pages, what is their server doing, etc.?
>
> More than a year ago, I downloaded DrTCP021 as recommended on this forum.
> I
> ran it using the settings suggested. My understanding is that all it does
> is set some register entries. If email is again very slow, the problem
> may
> be fixed temporarily by running DrTCP021 and saving the settings even
> though I make NO changes. I don't know why this works either. (Does
> anyone know what register entries are set by this program -- I would like
> to be able to confirm the values in the registry.)
>
> So, the bottom line is that sending an email with an attachment of more
> than
> several K may be very slow, then I "fix" the problem by disabling QoS or
> running DrTCP without changing anything and voila!, it runs fast again --
> until something happens and it runs slow again. I have been over a year
> trying to figure out what "something" is.
>
> This has been checked with our local ISP/carrier and with a local PC
> technician. No answers or solutions even though I know they have tried.
> This is not malware as the PC has been checked with Norton (ughh??) and
> Spy-Bot as well as the PC technician with a different virus program.
>
> I have a Dell 4700 with XP. The NIC card is an Intel Pro/100 VE using an
> Ethernet cable. There are no connected PC's or other equipment and no
> wireless.
>
> This one has me, our ISP and local technician really stumped. Many thanks
> to anyone who has any ideas.
>
>
> "Jose" wrote:
>
>> On Jan 15, 5:01 pm, Hickory <Hick...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>>> My understanding is that this service is no longer needed in XP (SP2).
>>> I
>>> have disabled this using "services.msc" under Run. However, sometimes
>>> it
>>> is turned back on (and I am not doing it manually). My question -- Does
>>> anyone have any ideas how QoS might get re-enabled -- any software, ISP
>>> server or whatever.
>>>
>>> So, why do I care? Sending an email with a large attachment is
>>> sometimes
>>> VERY, VERY slow. For example, I have a 1mb file (not all that big) I
>>> send as an attachment and it takes up to ten minutes. If I disable QoS,
>>> sending the same email is at least 10 times faster. But, QoS somehow
>>> keeps getting re-enabled.
>>>
>>> Any ideas will be really appreciated.

>>
>> If you set the QoS Service to manual (you did not say), that does not
>> keep some "QoS Aware" application from starting it if it thinks it
>> need to. There are many rumors about QoS but you will have to
>> research to see if you are using Qos Aware applications that may be
>> starting it behind your back. It is certainly on my list of Services
>> to disable.
>>
>> Setting it to manual does not equal disable.
>>
>> If you disable it, you will only be able to start it from Services.
>> Nobody (including you) should be able to start it - even from a CMD
>> prompts. Try it.
>>
>> From Services, stop Qos and set it manual and then, from a command
>> prompt enter:
>>
>> net start rsvp
>>
>> It will start and tell you so. Stop the service and set it to
>> Disabled and you will not be able to start it again.
>>
>> If you disable it and you find it started, there will be an System
>> Event Log message that it started and that that will give you clues.
>> It would be most curious.
>>
>> To stop the service manually,
>>
>> net stop rsvp
>> .
 
D

Daave

Flightless Bird
Hickory wrote:
> Thanks to Daave and Jose.
>
> I have always Disabled QoS RSVP, never set it to Manual.


Set it to Manual then. :)

That is the default setting for this service.

Also, it is important not to confuse stopping a service with disabling a
service.

So, make sure it is stopped. Then set it to Manual. AFAIK, only if the
startup type is Automatic, will something be able to trip it to the On
posistion. Setting the type to Disabled should prevent it from running
whatsoever -- even if you issue a command for it to do so.

If you indeed *did* set the Startup Type to Disabled *and* if it later
became enabled and started running, I would surely suspect malware.

Also, PA Bear raised a good point regarding e-mail scanning.
 
H

Hickory

Flightless Bird
Thanks to Jose, PA Bear and Daave --

For Jose, I am using Outlook Express 6. I do not "know" that I need
DrTCP021. I only know someone on this forum about a year ago suggested it
and that sometimes, it temporarily fixes the problem. Since it supposedly is
only a GUI for setting registry values, I can not "see" any thang that is
being done. (That's why I asked if anyone knew what entries were being
changed.) I have done several tests at, for example, DSLReports.com. Just
this morning, I got (download/upload) 1254/165, the executed DrTCP021 with no
reboot, then ran the test again and got 1157/324. I can't begin to explain
this.

For PA Bear, I have on many occassions turned off email scanning, either
outgoing only or both incoming/outgoing. It seems to make almost no
difference -- too little to make any real conclusions.

For Daave, I believe I am being very specific when I set QoS in
services.msc. There are only 3 possibilities. I am setting it to Disabled.
I agree that nothing should be able to turn it on. If I set it to Manual,
wouldn't that allow some software to then, in fact, enable it?

You are all trying to help -- I really appreciate it.

"Daave" wrote:

> Hickory wrote:
> > Thanks to Daave and Jose.
> >
> > I have always Disabled QoS RSVP, never set it to Manual.

>
> Set it to Manual then. :)
>
> That is the default setting for this service.
>
> Also, it is important not to confuse stopping a service with disabling a
> service.
>
> So, make sure it is stopped. Then set it to Manual. AFAIK, only if the
> startup type is Automatic, will something be able to trip it to the On
> posistion. Setting the type to Disabled should prevent it from running
> whatsoever -- even if you issue a command for it to do so.
>
> If you indeed *did* set the Startup Type to Disabled *and* if it later
> became enabled and started running, I would surely suspect malware.
>
> Also, PA Bear raised a good point regarding e-mail scanning.
>
>
> .
>
 
J

Jose

Flightless Bird
On Jan 17, 4:37 pm, Hickory <Hick...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
> Thanks to Jose, PA Bear and Daave --
>
> For Jose, I am using Outlook Express 6.  I do not "know" that I need
> DrTCP021.  I only know someone on this forum about a year ago suggestedit
> and that sometimes, it temporarily fixes the problem.  Since it supposedly is
> only a GUI for setting registry values, I can not "see" any thang that is
> being done.  (That's why I asked if anyone knew what entries were being
> changed.)  I have done several tests at, for example, DSLReports.com.  Just
> this morning, I got (download/upload) 1254/165, the executed DrTCP021 with no
> reboot, then ran the test again and got 1157/324.  I can't begin to explain
> this.
>
> For PA Bear, I have on many occassions turned off email scanning, either
> outgoing only or both incoming/outgoing.  It seems to make almost no
> difference -- too little to make any real conclusions.
>
> For Daave, I believe I am being very specific when I set QoS in
> services.msc.  There are only 3 possibilities.  I am setting it to Disabled.  
> I agree that nothing should be able to turn it on.  If I set it to Manual,
> wouldn't that allow some software to then, in fact, enable it?
>
> You are all trying to help -- I really appreciate it.
>
>
>
> "Daave" wrote:
> > Hickory wrote:
> > > Thanks to Daave and Jose.

>
> > > I have always Disabled QoS RSVP, never set it to Manual.

>
> > Set it to Manual then. :)

>
> > That is the default setting for this service.

>
> > Also, it is important not to confuse stopping a service with disabling a
> > service.

>
> > So, make sure it is stopped. Then set it to Manual. AFAIK, only if the
> > startup type is Automatic, will something be able to trip it to the On
> > posistion. Setting the type to Disabled should prevent it from running
> > whatsoever -- even if you issue a command for it to do so.

>
> > If you indeed *did* set the Startup Type to Disabled *and* if it later
> > became enabled and started running, I would surely suspect malware.

>
> > Also, PA Bear raised a good point regarding e-mail scanning.

>
> > .


After you set it to Disabled, you need to try to figure out (later of
course) what turns it on again.

Disable it, send an email that you you think might be a problem, see
it it is running, etc. You need to experiment.

Have you looked in the Event Log to see when the service is being
turned on? Then you may have some idea as to what you were doing at
the time.

You know - a message like this:

Event Type: Information
Event Source: Service Control Manager
Event Category: None
Event ID: 7036
Description:
The QoS RSVP service entered the running state.

What happens around the time of that message?
 
H

Hickory

Flightless Bird
Thank you. What and where is the Event Log? You answer seems rather
reasonable.

On the other hand, I am not sure that QoS is the problem. This morning as a
further test, I did the following. QoS RSVP is still Disbabled from two days
ago.
1) Sent an email with my test 1mb attachment to myself. It ran very slow.
After a few minutes, it failed and the submission was lost -- the message was
not sent.
2) Executed DrTCP021 with NO changes and saved.
3) Sent the same email. It was transmitted about ten times faster and
succeeded.
4) Rebooted.
5) Sent the same email. Again, it was very slow and failed.

Since (supposedly) DrTCP021 is only a GUI to set certain values in the
register, how is this even possible. This makes absolutely no sense. The
only thing I can think of is that OE6 is looking at the register EACH time it
is started. But, even that does not make sense.

And, by the way, if email scanning was the whole or even part of the
problem, why would the transmission be fast even when scanning is turned on?

"Jose" wrote:

> On Jan 17, 4:37 pm, Hickory <Hick...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
> > Thanks to Jose, PA Bear and Daave --
> >
> > For Jose, I am using Outlook Express 6. I do not "know" that I need
> > DrTCP021. I only know someone on this forum about a year ago suggested it
> > and that sometimes, it temporarily fixes the problem. Since it supposedly is
> > only a GUI for setting registry values, I can not "see" any thang that is
> > being done. (That's why I asked if anyone knew what entries were being
> > changed.) I have done several tests at, for example, DSLReports.com. Just
> > this morning, I got (download/upload) 1254/165, the executed DrTCP021 with no
> > reboot, then ran the test again and got 1157/324. I can't begin to explain
> > this.
> >
> > For PA Bear, I have on many occassions turned off email scanning, either
> > outgoing only or both incoming/outgoing. It seems to make almost no
> > difference -- too little to make any real conclusions.
> >
> > For Daave, I believe I am being very specific when I set QoS in
> > services.msc. There are only 3 possibilities. I am setting it to Disabled.
> > I agree that nothing should be able to turn it on. If I set it to Manual,
> > wouldn't that allow some software to then, in fact, enable it?
> >
> > You are all trying to help -- I really appreciate it.
> >
> >
> >
> > "Daave" wrote:
> > > Hickory wrote:
> > > > Thanks to Daave and Jose.

> >
> > > > I have always Disabled QoS RSVP, never set it to Manual.

> >
> > > Set it to Manual then. :)

> >
> > > That is the default setting for this service.

> >
> > > Also, it is important not to confuse stopping a service with disabling a
> > > service.

> >
> > > So, make sure it is stopped. Then set it to Manual. AFAIK, only if the
> > > startup type is Automatic, will something be able to trip it to the On
> > > posistion. Setting the type to Disabled should prevent it from running
> > > whatsoever -- even if you issue a command for it to do so.

> >
> > > If you indeed *did* set the Startup Type to Disabled *and* if it later
> > > became enabled and started running, I would surely suspect malware.

> >
> > > Also, PA Bear raised a good point regarding e-mail scanning.

> >
> > > .

>
> After you set it to Disabled, you need to try to figure out (later of
> course) what turns it on again.
>
> Disable it, send an email that you you think might be a problem, see
> it it is running, etc. You need to experiment.
>
> Have you looked in the Event Log to see when the service is being
> turned on? Then you may have some idea as to what you were doing at
> the time.
>
> You know - a message like this:
>
> Event Type: Information
> Event Source: Service Control Manager
> Event Category: None
> Event ID: 7036
> Description:
> The QoS RSVP service entered the running state.
>
> What happens around the time of that message?
>
> .
>
 
D

Daave

Flightless Bird
Answers inline.

Hickory wrote:
> Thank you. What and where is the Event Log? You answer seems rather
> reasonable.


Right-click My Computer and select Manage. Then select Event Viewer.

> On the other hand, I am not sure that QoS is the problem. This
> morning as a further test, I did the following. QoS RSVP is still
> Disbabled from two days ago.


I tend to agree that your problem is caused by something else. Then
again, I would like to know what is causing this service to start up in
the first place. If it is disabled, it should *never* do this! That is
why I thought malware might be involved.

> 1) Sent an email with my test 1mb attachment to myself. It ran very
> slow. After a few minutes, it failed and the submission was lost --
> the message was not sent.
> 2) Executed DrTCP021 with NO changes and saved.
> 3) Sent the same email. It was transmitted about ten times faster and
> succeeded.
> 4) Rebooted.
> 5) Sent the same email. Again, it was very slow and failed.
>
> Since (supposedly) DrTCP021 is only a GUI to set certain values in the
> register, how is this even possible. This makes absolutely no sense.
> The only thing I can think of is that OE6 is looking at the register
> EACH time it is started. But, even that does not make sense.


It is a mystery!

> And, by the way, if email scanning was the whole or even part of the
> problem, why would the transmission be fast even when scanning is
> turned on?


Good point. But there might be an intermittent problem with the
scanning. I would turn it off completely. Who knows? Perhaps that's all
you need to do to solve your problem!

BTW, If you set the QoS Service to Manual, it should *not* allow some
software to trip it (that is what the Automatic setting is for). If you
choose Manual, that means that in order for the service to run, you
would need to start it manually.



> "Jose" wrote:
>
>> On Jan 17, 4:37 pm, Hickory <Hick...@discussions.microsoft.com>
>> wrote:
>>> Thanks to Jose, PA Bear and Daave --
>>>
>>> For Jose, I am using Outlook Express 6. I do not "know" that I need
>>> DrTCP021. I only know someone on this forum about a year ago
>>> suggested it and that sometimes, it temporarily fixes the problem.
>>> Since it supposedly is only a GUI for setting registry values, I
>>> can not "see" any thang that is being done. (That's why I asked if
>>> anyone knew what entries were being changed.) I have done several
>>> tests at, for example, DSLReports.com. Just this morning, I got
>>> (download/upload) 1254/165, the executed DrTCP021 with no reboot,
>>> then ran the test again and got 1157/324. I can't begin to explain
>>> this.
>>>
>>> For PA Bear, I have on many occassions turned off email scanning,
>>> either outgoing only or both incoming/outgoing. It seems to make
>>> almost no difference -- too little to make any real conclusions.
>>>
>>> For Daave, I believe I am being very specific when I set QoS in
>>> services.msc. There are only 3 possibilities. I am setting it to
>>> Disabled. I agree that nothing should be able to turn it on. If I
>>> set it to Manual, wouldn't that allow some software to then, in
>>> fact, enable it?
>>>
>>> You are all trying to help -- I really appreciate it.
 
H

Hickory

Flightless Bird
Many thanks to ALL of you. This is still not resolved. But all of your
comments are helpful and give me more things to try. Yes, this is a real
mystery. (Maybe I should just feed the gremlins more often!)

"Daave" wrote:

> Answers inline.
>
> Hickory wrote:
> > Thank you. What and where is the Event Log? You answer seems rather
> > reasonable.

>
> Right-click My Computer and select Manage. Then select Event Viewer.
>
> > On the other hand, I am not sure that QoS is the problem. This
> > morning as a further test, I did the following. QoS RSVP is still
> > Disbabled from two days ago.

>
> I tend to agree that your problem is caused by something else. Then
> again, I would like to know what is causing this service to start up in
> the first place. If it is disabled, it should *never* do this! That is
> why I thought malware might be involved.
>
> > 1) Sent an email with my test 1mb attachment to myself. It ran very
> > slow. After a few minutes, it failed and the submission was lost --
> > the message was not sent.
> > 2) Executed DrTCP021 with NO changes and saved.
> > 3) Sent the same email. It was transmitted about ten times faster and
> > succeeded.
> > 4) Rebooted.
> > 5) Sent the same email. Again, it was very slow and failed.
> >
> > Since (supposedly) DrTCP021 is only a GUI to set certain values in the
> > register, how is this even possible. This makes absolutely no sense.
> > The only thing I can think of is that OE6 is looking at the register
> > EACH time it is started. But, even that does not make sense.

>
> It is a mystery!
>
> > And, by the way, if email scanning was the whole or even part of the
> > problem, why would the transmission be fast even when scanning is
> > turned on?

>
> Good point. But there might be an intermittent problem with the
> scanning. I would turn it off completely. Who knows? Perhaps that's all
> you need to do to solve your problem!
>
> BTW, If you set the QoS Service to Manual, it should *not* allow some
> software to trip it (that is what the Automatic setting is for). If you
> choose Manual, that means that in order for the service to run, you
> would need to start it manually.
>
>
>
> > "Jose" wrote:
> >
> >> On Jan 17, 4:37 pm, Hickory <Hick...@discussions.microsoft.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>> Thanks to Jose, PA Bear and Daave --
> >>>
> >>> For Jose, I am using Outlook Express 6. I do not "know" that I need
> >>> DrTCP021. I only know someone on this forum about a year ago
> >>> suggested it and that sometimes, it temporarily fixes the problem.
> >>> Since it supposedly is only a GUI for setting registry values, I
> >>> can not "see" any thang that is being done. (That's why I asked if
> >>> anyone knew what entries were being changed.) I have done several
> >>> tests at, for example, DSLReports.com. Just this morning, I got
> >>> (download/upload) 1254/165, the executed DrTCP021 with no reboot,
> >>> then ran the test again and got 1157/324. I can't begin to explain
> >>> this.
> >>>
> >>> For PA Bear, I have on many occassions turned off email scanning,
> >>> either outgoing only or both incoming/outgoing. It seems to make
> >>> almost no difference -- too little to make any real conclusions.
> >>>
> >>> For Daave, I believe I am being very specific when I set QoS in
> >>> services.msc. There are only 3 possibilities. I am setting it to
> >>> Disabled. I agree that nothing should be able to turn it on. If I
> >>> set it to Manual, wouldn't that allow some software to then, in
> >>> fact, enable it?
> >>>
> >>> You are all trying to help -- I really appreciate it.

>
>
> .
>
 
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