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PC TuneUp and CCleaner

Discussion in 'Windows XP' started by Sanford Aranoff, May 24, 2010.

  1. Sanford Aranoff

    Sanford Aranoff Flightless Bird

    What do you think of PC TuneUP for $50 or CCleaner for free?
     
  2. Big_Al

    Big_Al Flightless Bird

    Sanford Aranoff said this on 5/24/2010 1:40 PM:
    > What do you think of PC TuneUP for $50 or CCleaner for free?


    I can only comment on CCleaner. I use it all the time. I like it.
    You can select exactly what you want (of the options you have) to clean.
    You can exclude cookies by choice so you don't lose stored data from
    websites, and not clean history if you wish.

    I use the uninstall part a lot since it displays much faster than
    add/remove in control panel.

    Also the registry cleaner is kinda good, for registry cleaners. A lot
    of people call them snake oil, but if used with a bit of caution or
    discretion you are better off. I've done a full backup and then let it
    rip and I've had no issues. Now that all of the suspected errors are
    gone, the new ones are obvious, like shortcuts that did not remove
    caused I moved them after install etc. It works for me.
     
  3. Alias

    Alias Flightless Bird

    Sanford Aranoff wrote:
    >
    > What do you think of PC TuneUP for $50 or CCleaner for free?


    CCleaner is just fine as long as you stay away from the registry fixer.
    You can configure it to not nuke cookies and a few other features.

    --
    Alias
     
  4. W****n S.

    W****n S. Flightless Bird

    "Sanford Aranoff" <aranoff@analysis-knowledge.com> wrote in message
    news:4BFAB9F1.9CB55E39@analysis-knowledge.com...
    > What do you think of PC TuneUP for $50 or CCleaner for free?


    It will also remove startup items that you have disabled so that it is a lot
    cleaner there as well. "CC"
     
  5. Unknown

    Unknown Flightless Bird

    I wouldn't bother with either one. I use WSE (Windows Security Essentials)
    "Sanford Aranoff" <aranoff@analysis-knowledge.com> wrote in message
    news:4BFAB9F1.9CB55E39@analysis-knowledge.com...
    > What do you think of PC TuneUP for $50 or CCleaner for free?
     
  6. PA Bear [MS MVP]

    PA Bear [MS MVP] Flightless Bird

    [Here we go again...]

    If you ever think your Registry needs to be cleaned, repaired, boosted,
    tuned-up, cured, tweaked, fixed, or optimized (it doesn't), read
    http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?t=28099 and draw your own conclusions.


    Sanford Aranoff wrote:
    > What do you think of PC TuneUP for $50 or CCleaner for free?
     
  7. Db

    Db Flightless Bird

    What do you think of paying for advice for $50 or using this nntp for free?

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    http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/default.aspx


    "Sanford Aranoff" <aranoff@analysis-knowledge.com> wrote in message
    news:4BFAB9F1.9CB55E39@analysis-knowledge.com...
    > What do you think of PC TuneUP for $50 or CCleaner for free?
     
  8. Ken Blake, MVP

    Ken Blake, MVP Flightless Bird

    On Mon, 24 May 2010 13:40:01 -0400, Sanford Aranoff
    <aranoff@analysis-knowledge.com> wrote:

    > What do you think of PC TuneUP for $50 or CCleaner for free?



    I recommend staying far away from PC Tuneup and other programs like
    that. CCleaner is a good program, as long as you don't use its
    registry cleaning function.

    Registry cleaning programs are *all* snake oil. Cleaning of the
    registry isn't needed and is dangerous. Leave the registry alone and
    don't use any registry cleaner. Despite what many people think, and
    what vendors of registry cleaning software try to convince you of,
    having unused registry entries doesn't really hurt you.

    The risk of a serious problem caused by a registry cleaner erroneously
    removing an entry you need is far greater than any potential benefit
    it may have.

    Read http://www.edbott.com/weblog/archives/000643.html

    And also
    http://blogs.technet.com/markrussin.../02/registry-junk-a-windows-fact-of-life.aspx




    --
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    Please Reply to the Newsgroup
     
  9. peter

    peter Flightless Bird

    CCleaner for free..........just be very very carefull with the registry
    cleaner and
    dont use it if you dont know what your cleaning out.
    Everything else works like a charm
    peter

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    "Sanford Aranoff" <aranoff@analysis-knowledge.com> wrote in message
    news:4BFAB9F1.9CB55E39@analysis-knowledge.com...
    > What do you think of PC TuneUP for $50 or CCleaner for free?
     
  10. Twayne

    Twayne Flightless Bird

    OT: Re: PC TuneUp and CCleaner

    In news:%23FBs343%23KHA.3880@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl,
    PA Bear [MS MVP] <PABearMVP@gmail.com> typed:
    > [Here we go again...]


    Yes, here we go again: The closed minded idiots and closed minded dummies
    who insist they are right in the face of millions of satisfied users and
    mountains of evidence of the success of such things. That site he
    references? Wrtten by one of "his" gang of cohorts amongst their silly
    little group here who want to libel the companies that make such products.
    He and his cohorts will lie and misinform to the very end even though most
    any service shop makes good use of such tools and understands the realities
    of "today".
    The most interesting thing about these boobs is when you challenge them
    to show some proof of their allegations, they point to the below useless
    site or one other that exists which is the same thing, and call that proof.
    They cannot even come close to describing the mechanism of their claims as
    any professional or logical thinking person would be able to do.

    HTH,

    Twayne`
    ....

    Boilerplate junk removed.

    >
    >
    > Sanford Aranoff wrote:
    >> What do you think of PC TuneUP for $50 or CCleaner for
    >> free?
     
  11. Twayne

    Twayne Flightless Bird

    Here's one of your major puppetmasters of this small group of closed minds
    who wish to malign and libel the companies that have sold millions of
    product to many, including those who repair computers and make good use of
    same.


    In news:ksrlv5lcdgejms4f2mo53pdv0v1r7l5k94@4ax.com,
    Ken Blake, MVP <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> typed:
    > On Mon, 24 May 2010 13:40:01 -0400, Sanford Aranoff
    > <aranoff@analysis-knowledge.com> wrote:
    >
    >> What do you think of PC TuneUP for $50 or CCleaner for
    >> free?

    >
    >
    > I recommend staying far away from PC Tuneup and other
    > programs like that. CCleaner is a good program, as long as
    > you don't use its registry cleaning function.


    PCTuneup is actually not a bad program. It's not the best, but it's far from
    the worst either. CCleaner is also good, and one of the less aggressive
    registry cleaners, but has all the protection mechanisms such as Undo and so
    on, that are needed.

    >
    > Registry cleaning programs are *all* snake oil. Cleaning of
    > the registry isn't needed and is dangerous. Leave the
    > registry alone and don't use any registry cleaner. Despite
    > what many people think, and what vendors of registry
    > cleaning software try to convince you of, having unused
    > registry entries doesn't really hurt you.


    If that were true, wouldn't you think there would be a lot of complaints
    being lodged and sales would fall to nearly nothing? People aren't nearly
    as stupid as this closed mind likes to think and I can personally attest to
    the fact that no registry cleaner has EVER caused any of the problems this
    closed mind likes to claim. I repair machines and often make use of the
    registry cleaner for eliminating 20S pauses, unwieldly huge registries and
    erroneous entries. The above para is an out and out lie perpetrated by a
    small group of losers on this group.
    Ask for any bona fide explanations and all you'll get are references to a
    few people who blame anything they can for their problems or biased
    self-serving sites such as are recommended below. I don't remove them from
    here because a thinking person is going to make the connections themselves
    and figure out what's up with these closed minded egotists. Only hundreds
    of millions of people disagree with them; you'd think you'd hear about this
    from a LOT more people than this tiny group acting like morons as they do.
    But, they're the only source of such BS. Check their links and you'll see
    what I mean. And blogs, being a dime a dozen these days, are some of the
    worst places there are to get information from, especially when they're
    no-names such as these folk.
    >
    > The risk of a serious problem caused by a registry cleaner
    > erroneously removing an entry you need is far greater than
    > any potential benefit it may have.


    Well, in over a decade it hasn't happened to me yet, or any of the hundreds
    of machines I've used cleaners on, including my own when the need arises.
    This is quite a group of miscreants, believe me, lol.

    >
    > Read http://www.edbott.com/weblog/archives/000643.html
    >
    > And also
    > http://blogs.technet.com/markrussin.../02/registry-junk-a-windows-fact-of-life.aspx


    Mark, BTW, has rescinded his opinion of not needing registry cleaners. He's
    quite cautious about their use, but he does say they are needed tools.
    Besides, 2005 is so long ago that even if it were true at that time, there
    would be nothing to say it's still true today; a LOT of progress in every
    area that exists has been made. Mark R is a highly respected person in the
    computer and www areas and often quoted by many thinking people.
    If Mark R has anything to say that supports his claim, it would have a
    lot more recent date than 2005; this dummy simply used it because it appears
    to qualify his misinformation.
    Actually, Mark is the one that got me to thinking about these things, long
    before 2005, and I've researched the information a lot since those days.
    Mark's blog is actually well worth reading for those who would like an
    intelligent and verifiable sets of information. Unlike this local group of
    dummies, Mark can back up what he says in almost every instance. Oh, and
    he's smart enough to not only admit when he's wrong, but smart enough to say
    so when there are unanswered questions asked.

    I won't spar with you Ken, because I know you'll simply retort with a lot of
    your double-talk and mindless so called information. I've made my point and
    that's what I was interested in doing.

    HTH,

    Twayne`
     
  12. HeyBub

    HeyBub Flightless Bird

    Big_Al wrote:
    >
    > Also the registry cleaner is kinda good, for registry cleaners. A
    > lot of people call them snake oil, but if used with a bit of caution
    > or discretion you are better off.


    Exactly how are you better off?
     
  13. Unknown

    Unknown Flightless Bird

    Please provide us the source of the data that proves millions of sold
    products.
    You keep speaking of closed minds. Everyone who disagrees with you has a
    closed mind?
    I suggest you study your ego.
    "Twayne" <nobody@spamcop.net> wrote in message
    news:%23ZJhfT6%23KHA.5280@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
    > Here's one of your major puppetmasters of this small group of closed minds
    > who wish to malign and libel the companies that have sold millions of
    > product to many, including those who repair computers and make good use of
    > same.
    >
    >
    > In news:ksrlv5lcdgejms4f2mo53pdv0v1r7l5k94@4ax.com,
    > Ken Blake, MVP <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> typed:
    >> On Mon, 24 May 2010 13:40:01 -0400, Sanford Aranoff
    >> <aranoff@analysis-knowledge.com> wrote:
    >>
    >>> What do you think of PC TuneUP for $50 or CCleaner for
    >>> free?

    >>
    >>
    >> I recommend staying far away from PC Tuneup and other
    >> programs like that. CCleaner is a good program, as long as
    >> you don't use its registry cleaning function.

    >
    > PCTuneup is actually not a bad program. It's not the best, but it's far
    > from the worst either. CCleaner is also good, and one of the less
    > aggressive registry cleaners, but has all the protection mechanisms such
    > as Undo and so on, that are needed.
    >
    >>
    >> Registry cleaning programs are *all* snake oil. Cleaning of
    >> the registry isn't needed and is dangerous. Leave the
    >> registry alone and don't use any registry cleaner. Despite
    >> what many people think, and what vendors of registry
    >> cleaning software try to convince you of, having unused
    >> registry entries doesn't really hurt you.

    >
    > If that were true, wouldn't you think there would be a lot of complaints
    > being lodged and sales would fall to nearly nothing? People aren't nearly
    > as stupid as this closed mind likes to think and I can personally attest
    > to the fact that no registry cleaner has EVER caused any of the problems
    > this closed mind likes to claim. I repair machines and often make use of
    > the registry cleaner for eliminating 20S pauses, unwieldly huge registries
    > and erroneous entries. The above para is an out and out lie perpetrated by
    > a small group of losers on this group.
    > Ask for any bona fide explanations and all you'll get are references to
    > a few people who blame anything they can for their problems or biased
    > self-serving sites such as are recommended below. I don't remove them from
    > here because a thinking person is going to make the connections themselves
    > and figure out what's up with these closed minded egotists. Only hundreds
    > of millions of people disagree with them; you'd think you'd hear about
    > this from a LOT more people than this tiny group acting like morons as
    > they do. But, they're the only source of such BS. Check their links and
    > you'll see what I mean. And blogs, being a dime a dozen these days, are
    > some of the worst places there are to get information from, especially
    > when they're no-names such as these folk.
    >>
    >> The risk of a serious problem caused by a registry cleaner
    >> erroneously removing an entry you need is far greater than
    >> any potential benefit it may have.

    >
    > Well, in over a decade it hasn't happened to me yet, or any of the
    > hundreds of machines I've used cleaners on, including my own when the need
    > arises. This is quite a group of miscreants, believe me, lol.
    >
    >>
    >> Read http://www.edbott.com/weblog/archives/000643.html
    >>
    >> And also
    >> http://blogs.technet.com/markrussin.../02/registry-junk-a-windows-fact-of-life.aspx

    >
    > Mark, BTW, has rescinded his opinion of not needing registry cleaners.
    > He's quite cautious about their use, but he does say they are needed
    > tools. Besides, 2005 is so long ago that even if it were true at that
    > time, there would be nothing to say it's still true today; a LOT of
    > progress in every area that exists has been made. Mark R is a highly
    > respected person in the computer and www areas and often quoted by many
    > thinking people.
    > If Mark R has anything to say that supports his claim, it would have a
    > lot more recent date than 2005; this dummy simply used it because it
    > appears to qualify his misinformation.
    > Actually, Mark is the one that got me to thinking about these things,
    > long before 2005, and I've researched the information a lot since those
    > days. Mark's blog is actually well worth reading for those who would like
    > an intelligent and verifiable sets of information. Unlike this local group
    > of dummies, Mark can back up what he says in almost every instance. Oh,
    > and he's smart enough to not only admit when he's wrong, but smart enough
    > to say so when there are unanswered questions asked.
    >
    > I won't spar with you Ken, because I know you'll simply retort with a lot
    > of your double-talk and mindless so called information. I've made my point
    > and that's what I was interested in doing.
    >
    > HTH,
    >
    > Twayne`
    >
    >
     
  14. Big_Al

    Big_Al Flightless Bird

    HeyBub said this on 5/25/2010 9:25 AM:
    > Big_Al wrote:
    >>
    >> Also the registry cleaner is kinda good, for registry cleaners. A
    >> lot of people call them snake oil, but if used with a bit of caution
    >> or discretion you are better off.

    >
    > Exactly how are you better off?
    >
    >

    "I" feel better. That's how.
    The cleaner part is obvious, and the registry part is my feel good.
    I've read enough to know the registry clean is not necessary, I used it
    in a controlled condition with backup.
     
  15. Bill in Co.

    Bill in Co. Flightless Bird

    The term for this behavior is "projection": one projects onto others what
    one denies lies within oneself (it's just a defense mechanism).

    Unknown wrote:
    > Please provide us the source of the data that proves millions of sold
    > products.
    > You keep speaking of closed minds. Everyone who disagrees with you has a
    > closed mind?
    > I suggest you study your ego.
    >
    > "Twayne" <nobody@spamcop.net> wrote in message
    > news:%23ZJhfT6%23KHA.5280@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
    >> Here's one of your major puppetmasters of this small group of closed
    >> minds
    >> who wish to malign and libel the companies that have sold millions of
    >> product to many, including those who repair computers and make good use
    >> of
    >> same.
    >>
    >>
    >> In news:ksrlv5lcdgejms4f2mo53pdv0v1r7l5k94@4ax.com,
    >> Ken Blake, MVP <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> typed:
    >>> On Mon, 24 May 2010 13:40:01 -0400, Sanford Aranoff
    >>> <aranoff@analysis-knowledge.com> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> What do you think of PC TuneUP for $50 or CCleaner for
    >>>> free?
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> I recommend staying far away from PC Tuneup and other
    >>> programs like that. CCleaner is a good program, as long as
    >>> you don't use its registry cleaning function.

    >>
    >> PCTuneup is actually not a bad program. It's not the best, but it's far
    >> from the worst either. CCleaner is also good, and one of the less
    >> aggressive registry cleaners, but has all the protection mechanisms such
    >> as Undo and so on, that are needed.
    >>
    >>>
    >>> Registry cleaning programs are *all* snake oil. Cleaning of
    >>> the registry isn't needed and is dangerous. Leave the
    >>> registry alone and don't use any registry cleaner. Despite
    >>> what many people think, and what vendors of registry
    >>> cleaning software try to convince you of, having unused
    >>> registry entries doesn't really hurt you.

    >>
    >> If that were true, wouldn't you think there would be a lot of complaints
    >> being lodged and sales would fall to nearly nothing? People aren't
    >> nearly
    >> as stupid as this closed mind likes to think and I can personally attest
    >> to the fact that no registry cleaner has EVER caused any of the problems
    >> this closed mind likes to claim. I repair machines and often make use of
    >> the registry cleaner for eliminating 20S pauses, unwieldly huge
    >> registries
    >> and erroneous entries. The above para is an out and out lie perpetrated
    >> by
    >> a small group of losers on this group.
    >> Ask for any bona fide explanations and all you'll get are references to
    >> a few people who blame anything they can for their problems or biased
    >> self-serving sites such as are recommended below. I don't remove them
    >> from
    >> here because a thinking person is going to make the connections
    >> themselves
    >> and figure out what's up with these closed minded egotists. Only
    >> hundreds
    >> of millions of people disagree with them; you'd think you'd hear about
    >> this from a LOT more people than this tiny group acting like morons as
    >> they do. But, they're the only source of such BS. Check their links and
    >> you'll see what I mean. And blogs, being a dime a dozen these days, are
    >> some of the worst places there are to get information from, especially
    >> when they're no-names such as these folk.
    >>>
    >>> The risk of a serious problem caused by a registry cleaner
    >>> erroneously removing an entry you need is far greater than
    >>> any potential benefit it may have.

    >>
    >> Well, in over a decade it hasn't happened to me yet, or any of the
    >> hundreds of machines I've used cleaners on, including my own when the
    >> need
    >> arises. This is quite a group of miscreants, believe me, lol.
    >>
    >>>
    >>> Read http://www.edbott.com/weblog/archives/000643.html
    >>>
    >>> And also
    >>> http://blogs.technet.com/markrussin.../02/registry-junk-a-windows-fact-of-life.aspx

    >>
    >> Mark, BTW, has rescinded his opinion of not needing registry cleaners.
    >> He's quite cautious about their use, but he does say they are needed
    >> tools. Besides, 2005 is so long ago that even if it were true at that
    >> time, there would be nothing to say it's still true today; a LOT of
    >> progress in every area that exists has been made. Mark R is a highly
    >> respected person in the computer and www areas and often quoted by many
    >> thinking people.
    >> If Mark R has anything to say that supports his claim, it would have a
    >> lot more recent date than 2005; this dummy simply used it because it
    >> appears to qualify his misinformation.
    >> Actually, Mark is the one that got me to thinking about these things,
    >> long before 2005, and I've researched the information a lot since those
    >> days. Mark's blog is actually well worth reading for those who would like
    >> an intelligent and verifiable sets of information. Unlike this local
    >> group
    >> of dummies, Mark can back up what he says in almost every instance. Oh,
    >> and he's smart enough to not only admit when he's wrong, but smart enough
    >> to say so when there are unanswered questions asked.
    >>
    >> I won't spar with you Ken, because I know you'll simply retort with a lot
    >> of your double-talk and mindless so called information. I've made my
    >> point
    >> and that's what I was interested in doing.
    >>
    >> HTH,
    >>
    >> Twayne`
     
  16. Unknown

    Unknown Flightless Bird

    By golly, I think you hit the nail on the head.
    "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
    news:-OonQp9C$KHA.5168@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
    > The term for this behavior is "projection": one projects onto others what
    > one denies lies within oneself (it's just a defense mechanism).
    >
    > Unknown wrote:
    >> Please provide us the source of the data that proves millions of sold
    >> products.
    >> You keep speaking of closed minds. Everyone who disagrees with you has a
    >> closed mind?
    >> I suggest you study your ego.
    >>
    >> "Twayne" <nobody@spamcop.net> wrote in message
    >> news:%23ZJhfT6%23KHA.5280@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
    >>> Here's one of your major puppetmasters of this small group of closed
    >>> minds
    >>> who wish to malign and libel the companies that have sold millions of
    >>> product to many, including those who repair computers and make good use
    >>> of
    >>> same.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> In news:ksrlv5lcdgejms4f2mo53pdv0v1r7l5k94@4ax.com,
    >>> Ken Blake, MVP <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> typed:
    >>>> On Mon, 24 May 2010 13:40:01 -0400, Sanford Aranoff
    >>>> <aranoff@analysis-knowledge.com> wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>> What do you think of PC TuneUP for $50 or CCleaner for
    >>>>> free?
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> I recommend staying far away from PC Tuneup and other
    >>>> programs like that. CCleaner is a good program, as long as
    >>>> you don't use its registry cleaning function.
    >>>
    >>> PCTuneup is actually not a bad program. It's not the best, but it's far
    >>> from the worst either. CCleaner is also good, and one of the less
    >>> aggressive registry cleaners, but has all the protection mechanisms such
    >>> as Undo and so on, that are needed.
    >>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Registry cleaning programs are *all* snake oil. Cleaning of
    >>>> the registry isn't needed and is dangerous. Leave the
    >>>> registry alone and don't use any registry cleaner. Despite
    >>>> what many people think, and what vendors of registry
    >>>> cleaning software try to convince you of, having unused
    >>>> registry entries doesn't really hurt you.
    >>>
    >>> If that were true, wouldn't you think there would be a lot of complaints
    >>> being lodged and sales would fall to nearly nothing? People aren't
    >>> nearly
    >>> as stupid as this closed mind likes to think and I can personally attest
    >>> to the fact that no registry cleaner has EVER caused any of the problems
    >>> this closed mind likes to claim. I repair machines and often make use of
    >>> the registry cleaner for eliminating 20S pauses, unwieldly huge
    >>> registries
    >>> and erroneous entries. The above para is an out and out lie perpetrated
    >>> by
    >>> a small group of losers on this group.
    >>> Ask for any bona fide explanations and all you'll get are references
    >>> to
    >>> a few people who blame anything they can for their problems or biased
    >>> self-serving sites such as are recommended below. I don't remove them
    >>> from
    >>> here because a thinking person is going to make the connections
    >>> themselves
    >>> and figure out what's up with these closed minded egotists. Only
    >>> hundreds
    >>> of millions of people disagree with them; you'd think you'd hear about
    >>> this from a LOT more people than this tiny group acting like morons as
    >>> they do. But, they're the only source of such BS. Check their links and
    >>> you'll see what I mean. And blogs, being a dime a dozen these days, are
    >>> some of the worst places there are to get information from, especially
    >>> when they're no-names such as these folk.
    >>>>
    >>>> The risk of a serious problem caused by a registry cleaner
    >>>> erroneously removing an entry you need is far greater than
    >>>> any potential benefit it may have.
    >>>
    >>> Well, in over a decade it hasn't happened to me yet, or any of the
    >>> hundreds of machines I've used cleaners on, including my own when the
    >>> need
    >>> arises. This is quite a group of miscreants, believe me, lol.
    >>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Read http://www.edbott.com/weblog/archives/000643.html
    >>>>
    >>>> And also
    >>>> http://blogs.technet.com/markrussin.../02/registry-junk-a-windows-fact-of-life.aspx
    >>>
    >>> Mark, BTW, has rescinded his opinion of not needing registry cleaners.
    >>> He's quite cautious about their use, but he does say they are needed
    >>> tools. Besides, 2005 is so long ago that even if it were true at that
    >>> time, there would be nothing to say it's still true today; a LOT of
    >>> progress in every area that exists has been made. Mark R is a highly
    >>> respected person in the computer and www areas and often quoted by many
    >>> thinking people.
    >>> If Mark R has anything to say that supports his claim, it would have
    >>> a
    >>> lot more recent date than 2005; this dummy simply used it because it
    >>> appears to qualify his misinformation.
    >>> Actually, Mark is the one that got me to thinking about these things,
    >>> long before 2005, and I've researched the information a lot since those
    >>> days. Mark's blog is actually well worth reading for those who would
    >>> like
    >>> an intelligent and verifiable sets of information. Unlike this local
    >>> group
    >>> of dummies, Mark can back up what he says in almost every instance. Oh,
    >>> and he's smart enough to not only admit when he's wrong, but smart
    >>> enough
    >>> to say so when there are unanswered questions asked.
    >>>
    >>> I won't spar with you Ken, because I know you'll simply retort with a
    >>> lot
    >>> of your double-talk and mindless so called information. I've made my
    >>> point
    >>> and that's what I was interested in doing.
    >>>
    >>> HTH,
    >>>
    >>> Twayne`

    >
    >
     
  17. Unknown

    Unknown Flightless Bird

    BTW-----How's the weather in Pueblo?
    "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
    news:-OonQp9C$KHA.5168@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
    > The term for this behavior is "projection": one projects onto others what
    > one denies lies within oneself (it's just a defense mechanism).
    >
    > Unknown wrote:
    >> Please provide us the source of the data that proves millions of sold
    >> products.
    >> You keep speaking of closed minds. Everyone who disagrees with you has a
    >> closed mind?
    >> I suggest you study your ego.
    >>
    >> "Twayne" <nobody@spamcop.net> wrote in message
    >> news:%23ZJhfT6%23KHA.5280@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
    >>> Here's one of your major puppetmasters of this small group of closed
    >>> minds
    >>> who wish to malign and libel the companies that have sold millions of
    >>> product to many, including those who repair computers and make good use
    >>> of
    >>> same.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> In news:ksrlv5lcdgejms4f2mo53pdv0v1r7l5k94@4ax.com,
    >>> Ken Blake, MVP <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> typed:
    >>>> On Mon, 24 May 2010 13:40:01 -0400, Sanford Aranoff
    >>>> <aranoff@analysis-knowledge.com> wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>> What do you think of PC TuneUP for $50 or CCleaner for
    >>>>> free?
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> I recommend staying far away from PC Tuneup and other
    >>>> programs like that. CCleaner is a good program, as long as
    >>>> you don't use its registry cleaning function.
    >>>
    >>> PCTuneup is actually not a bad program. It's not the best, but it's far
    >>> from the worst either. CCleaner is also good, and one of the less
    >>> aggressive registry cleaners, but has all the protection mechanisms such
    >>> as Undo and so on, that are needed.
    >>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Registry cleaning programs are *all* snake oil. Cleaning of
    >>>> the registry isn't needed and is dangerous. Leave the
    >>>> registry alone and don't use any registry cleaner. Despite
    >>>> what many people think, and what vendors of registry
    >>>> cleaning software try to convince you of, having unused
    >>>> registry entries doesn't really hurt you.
    >>>
    >>> If that were true, wouldn't you think there would be a lot of complaints
    >>> being lodged and sales would fall to nearly nothing? People aren't
    >>> nearly
    >>> as stupid as this closed mind likes to think and I can personally attest
    >>> to the fact that no registry cleaner has EVER caused any of the problems
    >>> this closed mind likes to claim. I repair machines and often make use of
    >>> the registry cleaner for eliminating 20S pauses, unwieldly huge
    >>> registries
    >>> and erroneous entries. The above para is an out and out lie perpetrated
    >>> by
    >>> a small group of losers on this group.
    >>> Ask for any bona fide explanations and all you'll get are references
    >>> to
    >>> a few people who blame anything they can for their problems or biased
    >>> self-serving sites such as are recommended below. I don't remove them
    >>> from
    >>> here because a thinking person is going to make the connections
    >>> themselves
    >>> and figure out what's up with these closed minded egotists. Only
    >>> hundreds
    >>> of millions of people disagree with them; you'd think you'd hear about
    >>> this from a LOT more people than this tiny group acting like morons as
    >>> they do. But, they're the only source of such BS. Check their links and
    >>> you'll see what I mean. And blogs, being a dime a dozen these days, are
    >>> some of the worst places there are to get information from, especially
    >>> when they're no-names such as these folk.
    >>>>
    >>>> The risk of a serious problem caused by a registry cleaner
    >>>> erroneously removing an entry you need is far greater than
    >>>> any potential benefit it may have.
    >>>
    >>> Well, in over a decade it hasn't happened to me yet, or any of the
    >>> hundreds of machines I've used cleaners on, including my own when the
    >>> need
    >>> arises. This is quite a group of miscreants, believe me, lol.
    >>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Read http://www.edbott.com/weblog/archives/000643.html
    >>>>
    >>>> And also
    >>>> http://blogs.technet.com/markrussin.../02/registry-junk-a-windows-fact-of-life.aspx
    >>>
    >>> Mark, BTW, has rescinded his opinion of not needing registry cleaners.
    >>> He's quite cautious about their use, but he does say they are needed
    >>> tools. Besides, 2005 is so long ago that even if it were true at that
    >>> time, there would be nothing to say it's still true today; a LOT of
    >>> progress in every area that exists has been made. Mark R is a highly
    >>> respected person in the computer and www areas and often quoted by many
    >>> thinking people.
    >>> If Mark R has anything to say that supports his claim, it would have
    >>> a
    >>> lot more recent date than 2005; this dummy simply used it because it
    >>> appears to qualify his misinformation.
    >>> Actually, Mark is the one that got me to thinking about these things,
    >>> long before 2005, and I've researched the information a lot since those
    >>> days. Mark's blog is actually well worth reading for those who would
    >>> like
    >>> an intelligent and verifiable sets of information. Unlike this local
    >>> group
    >>> of dummies, Mark can back up what he says in almost every instance. Oh,
    >>> and he's smart enough to not only admit when he's wrong, but smart
    >>> enough
    >>> to say so when there are unanswered questions asked.
    >>>
    >>> I won't spar with you Ken, because I know you'll simply retort with a
    >>> lot
    >>> of your double-talk and mindless so called information. I've made my
    >>> point
    >>> and that's what I was interested in doing.
    >>>
    >>> HTH,
    >>>
    >>> Twayne`

    >
    >
     
  18. Bill in Co.

    Bill in Co. Flightless Bird

    It's a bit warm (but at least it's a dry heat) here. How about over where
    you are?
    I don't think it's reached 90 or 100 today, which is nice.

    Unknown wrote:
    > BTW-----How's the weather in Pueblo?
    > "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
    > news:-OonQp9C$KHA.5168@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
    >> The term for this behavior is "projection": one projects onto others what
    >> one denies lies within oneself (it's just a defense mechanism).
    >>
    >> Unknown wrote:
    >>> Please provide us the source of the data that proves millions of sold
    >>> products.
    >>> You keep speaking of closed minds. Everyone who disagrees with you has a
    >>> closed mind?
    >>> I suggest you study your ego.
    >>>
    >>> "Twayne" <nobody@spamcop.net> wrote in message
    >>> news:%23ZJhfT6%23KHA.5280@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
    >>>> Here's one of your major puppetmasters of this small group of closed
    >>>> minds
    >>>> who wish to malign and libel the companies that have sold millions of
    >>>> product to many, including those who repair computers and make good use
    >>>> of
    >>>> same.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> In news:ksrlv5lcdgejms4f2mo53pdv0v1r7l5k94@4ax.com,
    >>>> Ken Blake, MVP <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> typed:
    >>>>> On Mon, 24 May 2010 13:40:01 -0400, Sanford Aranoff
    >>>>> <aranoff@analysis-knowledge.com> wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> What do you think of PC TuneUP for $50 or CCleaner for
    >>>>>> free?
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> I recommend staying far away from PC Tuneup and other
    >>>>> programs like that. CCleaner is a good program, as long as
    >>>>> you don't use its registry cleaning function.
    >>>>
    >>>> PCTuneup is actually not a bad program. It's not the best, but it's far
    >>>> from the worst either. CCleaner is also good, and one of the less
    >>>> aggressive registry cleaners, but has all the protection mechanisms
    >>>> such
    >>>> as Undo and so on, that are needed.
    >>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Registry cleaning programs are *all* snake oil. Cleaning of
    >>>>> the registry isn't needed and is dangerous. Leave the
    >>>>> registry alone and don't use any registry cleaner. Despite
    >>>>> what many people think, and what vendors of registry
    >>>>> cleaning software try to convince you of, having unused
    >>>>> registry entries doesn't really hurt you.
    >>>>
    >>>> If that were true, wouldn't you think there would be a lot of
    >>>> complaints
    >>>> being lodged and sales would fall to nearly nothing? People aren't
    >>>> nearly
    >>>> as stupid as this closed mind likes to think and I can personally
    >>>> attest
    >>>> to the fact that no registry cleaner has EVER caused any of the
    >>>> problems
    >>>> this closed mind likes to claim. I repair machines and often make use
    >>>> of
    >>>> the registry cleaner for eliminating 20S pauses, unwieldly huge
    >>>> registries
    >>>> and erroneous entries. The above para is an out and out lie perpetrated
    >>>> by
    >>>> a small group of losers on this group.
    >>>> Ask for any bona fide explanations and all you'll get are references
    >>>> to
    >>>> a few people who blame anything they can for their problems or biased
    >>>> self-serving sites such as are recommended below. I don't remove them
    >>>> from
    >>>> here because a thinking person is going to make the connections
    >>>> themselves
    >>>> and figure out what's up with these closed minded egotists. Only
    >>>> hundreds
    >>>> of millions of people disagree with them; you'd think you'd hear about
    >>>> this from a LOT more people than this tiny group acting like morons as
    >>>> they do. But, they're the only source of such BS. Check their links and
    >>>> you'll see what I mean. And blogs, being a dime a dozen these days,
    >>>> are
    >>>> some of the worst places there are to get information from, especially
    >>>> when they're no-names such as these folk.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> The risk of a serious problem caused by a registry cleaner
    >>>>> erroneously removing an entry you need is far greater than
    >>>>> any potential benefit it may have.
    >>>>
    >>>> Well, in over a decade it hasn't happened to me yet, or any of the
    >>>> hundreds of machines I've used cleaners on, including my own when the
    >>>> need
    >>>> arises. This is quite a group of miscreants, believe me, lol.
    >>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Read http://www.edbott.com/weblog/archives/000643.html
    >>>>>
    >>>>> And also
    >>>>> http://blogs.technet.com/markrussin.../02/registry-junk-a-windows-fact-of-life.aspx
    >>>>
    >>>> Mark, BTW, has rescinded his opinion of not needing registry cleaners.
    >>>> He's quite cautious about their use, but he does say they are needed
    >>>> tools. Besides, 2005 is so long ago that even if it were true at that
    >>>> time, there would be nothing to say it's still true today; a LOT of
    >>>> progress in every area that exists has been made. Mark R is a highly
    >>>> respected person in the computer and www areas and often quoted by many
    >>>> thinking people.
    >>>> If Mark R has anything to say that supports his claim, it would have
    >>>> a
    >>>> lot more recent date than 2005; this dummy simply used it because it
    >>>> appears to qualify his misinformation.
    >>>> Actually, Mark is the one that got me to thinking about these things,
    >>>> long before 2005, and I've researched the information a lot since those
    >>>> days. Mark's blog is actually well worth reading for those who would
    >>>> like
    >>>> an intelligent and verifiable sets of information. Unlike this local
    >>>> group
    >>>> of dummies, Mark can back up what he says in almost every instance. Oh,
    >>>> and he's smart enough to not only admit when he's wrong, but smart
    >>>> enough
    >>>> to say so when there are unanswered questions asked.
    >>>>
    >>>> I won't spar with you Ken, because I know you'll simply retort with a
    >>>> lot
    >>>> of your double-talk and mindless so called information. I've made my
    >>>> point
    >>>> and that's what I was interested in doing.
    >>>>
    >>>> HTH,
    >>>>
    >>>> Twayne`
     
  19. Unknown

    Unknown Flightless Bird

    Last couple of days, right at 90 degrees but will cool down this weekend..
    "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
    news:%23wVhFwF$KHA.980@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
    > It's a bit warm (but at least it's a dry heat) here. How about over where
    > you are?
    > I don't think it's reached 90 or 100 today, which is nice.
    >
    > Unknown wrote:
    >> BTW-----How's the weather in Pueblo?
    >> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
    >> news:-OonQp9C$KHA.5168@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
    >>> The term for this behavior is "projection": one projects onto others
    >>> what
    >>> one denies lies within oneself (it's just a defense mechanism).
    >>>
    >>> Unknown wrote:
    >>>> Please provide us the source of the data that proves millions of sold
    >>>> products.
    >>>> You keep speaking of closed minds. Everyone who disagrees with you has
    >>>> a
    >>>> closed mind?
    >>>> I suggest you study your ego.
    >>>>
    >>>> "Twayne" <nobody@spamcop.net> wrote in message
    >>>> news:%23ZJhfT6%23KHA.5280@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
    >>>>> Here's one of your major puppetmasters of this small group of closed
    >>>>> minds
    >>>>> who wish to malign and libel the companies that have sold millions of
    >>>>> product to many, including those who repair computers and make good
    >>>>> use
    >>>>> of
    >>>>> same.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> In news:ksrlv5lcdgejms4f2mo53pdv0v1r7l5k94@4ax.com,
    >>>>> Ken Blake, MVP <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> typed:
    >>>>>> On Mon, 24 May 2010 13:40:01 -0400, Sanford Aranoff
    >>>>>> <aranoff@analysis-knowledge.com> wrote:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>> What do you think of PC TuneUP for $50 or CCleaner for
    >>>>>>> free?
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> I recommend staying far away from PC Tuneup and other
    >>>>>> programs like that. CCleaner is a good program, as long as
    >>>>>> you don't use its registry cleaning function.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> PCTuneup is actually not a bad program. It's not the best, but it's
    >>>>> far
    >>>>> from the worst either. CCleaner is also good, and one of the less
    >>>>> aggressive registry cleaners, but has all the protection mechanisms
    >>>>> such
    >>>>> as Undo and so on, that are needed.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Registry cleaning programs are *all* snake oil. Cleaning of
    >>>>>> the registry isn't needed and is dangerous. Leave the
    >>>>>> registry alone and don't use any registry cleaner. Despite
    >>>>>> what many people think, and what vendors of registry
    >>>>>> cleaning software try to convince you of, having unused
    >>>>>> registry entries doesn't really hurt you.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> If that were true, wouldn't you think there would be a lot of
    >>>>> complaints
    >>>>> being lodged and sales would fall to nearly nothing? People aren't
    >>>>> nearly
    >>>>> as stupid as this closed mind likes to think and I can personally
    >>>>> attest
    >>>>> to the fact that no registry cleaner has EVER caused any of the
    >>>>> problems
    >>>>> this closed mind likes to claim. I repair machines and often make use
    >>>>> of
    >>>>> the registry cleaner for eliminating 20S pauses, unwieldly huge
    >>>>> registries
    >>>>> and erroneous entries. The above para is an out and out lie
    >>>>> perpetrated
    >>>>> by
    >>>>> a small group of losers on this group.
    >>>>> Ask for any bona fide explanations and all you'll get are references
    >>>>> to
    >>>>> a few people who blame anything they can for their problems or biased
    >>>>> self-serving sites such as are recommended below. I don't remove them
    >>>>> from
    >>>>> here because a thinking person is going to make the connections
    >>>>> themselves
    >>>>> and figure out what's up with these closed minded egotists. Only
    >>>>> hundreds
    >>>>> of millions of people disagree with them; you'd think you'd hear about
    >>>>> this from a LOT more people than this tiny group acting like morons as
    >>>>> they do. But, they're the only source of such BS. Check their links
    >>>>> and
    >>>>> you'll see what I mean. And blogs, being a dime a dozen these days,
    >>>>> are
    >>>>> some of the worst places there are to get information from, especially
    >>>>> when they're no-names such as these folk.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> The risk of a serious problem caused by a registry cleaner
    >>>>>> erroneously removing an entry you need is far greater than
    >>>>>> any potential benefit it may have.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Well, in over a decade it hasn't happened to me yet, or any of the
    >>>>> hundreds of machines I've used cleaners on, including my own when the
    >>>>> need
    >>>>> arises. This is quite a group of miscreants, believe me, lol.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Read http://www.edbott.com/weblog/archives/000643.html
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> And also
    >>>>>> http://blogs.technet.com/markrussin.../02/registry-junk-a-windows-fact-of-life.aspx
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Mark, BTW, has rescinded his opinion of not needing registry cleaners.
    >>>>> He's quite cautious about their use, but he does say they are needed
    >>>>> tools. Besides, 2005 is so long ago that even if it were true at that
    >>>>> time, there would be nothing to say it's still true today; a LOT of
    >>>>> progress in every area that exists has been made. Mark R is a highly
    >>>>> respected person in the computer and www areas and often quoted by
    >>>>> many
    >>>>> thinking people.
    >>>>> If Mark R has anything to say that supports his claim, it would
    >>>>> have
    >>>>> a
    >>>>> lot more recent date than 2005; this dummy simply used it because it
    >>>>> appears to qualify his misinformation.
    >>>>> Actually, Mark is the one that got me to thinking about these things,
    >>>>> long before 2005, and I've researched the information a lot since
    >>>>> those
    >>>>> days. Mark's blog is actually well worth reading for those who would
    >>>>> like
    >>>>> an intelligent and verifiable sets of information. Unlike this local
    >>>>> group
    >>>>> of dummies, Mark can back up what he says in almost every instance.
    >>>>> Oh,
    >>>>> and he's smart enough to not only admit when he's wrong, but smart
    >>>>> enough
    >>>>> to say so when there are unanswered questions asked.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> I won't spar with you Ken, because I know you'll simply retort with a
    >>>>> lot
    >>>>> of your double-talk and mindless so called information. I've made my
    >>>>> point
    >>>>> and that's what I was interested in doing.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> HTH,
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Twayne`

    >
    >
     
  20. Doum

    Doum Flightless Bird

    Re: OT: Re: PC TuneUp and CCleaner

    "Twayne" <nobody@spamcop.net> écrivait
    news:#DjO6D6#KHA.148@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl:

    > In news:%23FBs343%23KHA.3880@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl,
    > PA Bear [MS MVP] <PABearMVP@gmail.com> typed:
    >> [Here we go again...]

    >
    > Yes, here we go again: The closed minded idiots and closed minded
    > dummies who insist they are right in the face of millions of satisfied
    > users and mountains of evidence of the success of such things. That
    > site he references? Wrtten by one of "his" gang of cohorts amongst
    > their silly little group here who want to libel the companies that
    > make such products. He and his cohorts will lie and misinform to the
    > very end even though most any service shop makes good use of such
    > tools and understands the realities of "today".
    > The most interesting thing about these boobs is when you challenge
    > them
    > to show some proof of their allegations, they point to the below
    > useless site or one other that exists which is the same thing, and
    > call that proof. They cannot even come close to describing the
    > mechanism of their claims as any professional or logical thinking
    > person would be able to do.
    >
    > HTH,
    >
    > Twayne`
    > ...
    >
    > Boilerplate junk removed.
    >
    >>
    >>
    >> Sanford Aranoff wrote:
    >>> What do you think of PC TuneUP for $50 or CCleaner for free?

    >
    >
    >


    Out of curiosity, I downloaded and installed Ccleaner. After making an
    image of my system drive, I ran CC registry cleaner, it found a lot of
    stuff, associated extensions, useless DLLs, etc. I let it do what it
    suggested.

    AFAICT, there's nothing broken but I don't see any performance
    improvement so I think I'm gonna leave the registry alone in the future
    but I will check out CC other features.
     

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