OT: Windows 7 (XP with a new look!)

[Russ SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP]]

Re: Windows 7 (XP with a new look!)

LOL
Thanks a lot!
I'm not old, I'm well seasoned

Watch the Movie War Games With the IMSAI 8080
http://www.digibarn.com/collections/systems/imsai-8080/index.html

My College Professor had one.
I was jealous
Russ
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"C.Joseph Drayton" <c.joseph@csdcs.site90.net> wrote in message
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> On 1/10/2010 7:26 PM, Russ SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP] wrote:
>> Stop it,
>> you are making me feel old!
>> LOL
>> Russ
>>
> I hate to tell you this Russ but, if you remember all of that stuff . . .
>
> YOU ARE OLD!!!!!!
>
> Me of course, I am still a kid so I guess I must have read all that stuff
> somewhere <LOL>.
>
> Sincerely,
> C.Joseph Drayton, Ph.D. AS&T
>
> CSD Computer Services
>
> Web site: http://csdcs.site90.net/
> E-mail: c.joseph@csdcs.site90.net

 

[Bill in Co.]

Re: Windows 7 (XP with a new look!)

C.Joseph Drayton wrote:
> On 1/10/2010 7:26 PM, Russ SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP] wrote:
>> Stop it,
>> you are making me feel old!
>> LOL
>> Russ
>>
> I hate to tell you this Russ but, if you remember all of that stuff . . .
>
> YOU ARE OLD!!!!!!
>
> Me of course, I am still a kid so I guess I must have read all that
> stuff somewhere <LOL>.
>
> Sincerely,
> C.Joseph Drayton, Ph.D. AS&T

LOL. Let's face it, we must be old! Not only from remembering all that,
but from witnessing the "changes" in society. But that's another (and a
sad) story.

 

[~Sage]

Re: Windows 7 (XP with a new look!)

On Jan 10, 11:17 pm, "Bill in Co." <not_really_h...@earthlink.net>
wrote:
> C.Joseph Drayton wrote:
> > On 1/10/2010 7:26 PM, Russ SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP] wrote:
> >> Stop it,
> >> you are making me feel old!
> >> LOL
> >> Russ
>
> > I hate to tell you this Russ but, if you remember all of that stuff  .. . .
>
> > YOU ARE OLD!!!!!!
>
> > Me of course, I am still a kid so I guess I must have read all that
> > stuff somewhere <LOL>.
>
> > Sincerely,
> > C.Joseph Drayton, Ph.D. AS&T
>
> LOL.   Let's face it, we must be old!    Not only from remembering all that,
> but from witnessing the "changes" in society.   But that's another (anda
> sad) story.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

In 1975 I played a major part in setting up and entering all files,
ledgers etc. for the IBM System/32 and the IBM 3741 Data Station for
our company, learned both machines and ran back and forth between the
two..I was *very* young then so I'm NOT old now! Old is simply a
state of mind, just don't go there!

~Sage

 

[RJK]

Re: Windows 7 (XP with a new look!)

"C.Joseph Drayton" <c.joseph@csdcs.site90.net> wrote in message
news:hidv1p$uo2$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> On 1/9/2010 10:01 PM, Ian D wrote:
>> "Stan Starinski"<China@stealsUSJobsPatentsSoftwareMusicVideo> wrote in
>> message news:eICfZzZkKHA.1540@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>> I am today 37, born/raised in Europe
>>> I'd agree 8086 was one of the early "practical" PC's. Can never tell
>>> who/what was "precisely" first. - often there're multiple events, people
>>> or products. There were people before Einstein with similar equations
>>> but
>>> he got his Theory officially presented.
>>>
>>> But strictly speaking earliest PC's were long before 8086. First off,
>>> the
>>> number "80" appearing in immense number of IC chips of that era simply
>>> indicates the decade - 1980's.
>>> But before that - even I remember using it, we had 8080, truly the first
>>> practical Microprocessor - by Intel, piror to that we had all kinds of
>>> "do
>>> it yourself" kits including venerable Apple in 1976, base don Motorola
>>> MP.
>>> It is therefore a custom to specify the birth of PC's as 1976 Apple.
>>> THAT
>>> I obviously can't remember (was 4 year sold!).
>>>
>>> But IBM quickly seized initiative from "hobbyist" Apple, and produced an
>>> industrial/business version called simply IBM PC, that's when I'd like
>>> to
>>> put a mark because they were first to market the term "PC" as opposed to
>>> mainframes of previous era (even if Apple used the term, it wasn't a
>>> TM).
>>> 1980 was a crucial year
>>>
>>> Some years later, I remember reading "Life& Science" magazine in that
>>> country where I was born, by which time USA already had IBM PC XT& RT,
>>> and even a hardisk called "winchester" then with a whopping 1MB size!!
>>> It
>>> cost like a medium car, and breaking down as a habit. But we couldn't
>>> have even that.
>>> In my country we had to use crap, but we had best programmers - the
>>> irony!
>>> SO the flow started - brains flew to America, hardware flew to that
>>> country.
>>> As soon as we got here (a few of my relatives been living in North
>>> America
>>> for at least a century, but we were late), I grabbed a free gift from my
>>> father's former wife's new husband. he was a radiologist (medical), and
>>> he was about to throw out 8086-based PC AT (?), its memory was cutting
>>> off
>>> at some small number and stopped self test w/failure.
>>> Well I took it apart and fixed memory by moving banks around until I hit
>>> the bad one, and removed it; maxiumum was 640KB. That was a huge
>>> number,
>>> as prior to that our High School "gang' built Z80 gaming machines where
>>> 32Kb was considered an achievement, more often it was 16KB memory.
>>>
>>> It sounds ridiculous now, but... people really had to use brains to
>>> program it.
>>> Every byte was precious. I did some insane tricks, like resuing the
>>> same
>>> memory byte for both instruction, brnach jump address or data - when
>>> they
>>> coincided, things which would be illegal in progrmaming today.
>>>
>>> Anyway, 8086 is too powerful to call "first".
>>> Try i8080, Zilog Z80, Motorola 68000.
>>>
>>> To me Z80 has the most meaning, I was 16.... that microprocessor was
>>> ceated by geniuses in California (?), it was too good for its time. It
>>> was so cheap, robust, reliable that BELIEVE it or not, still used in
>>> appliances, home automation, etc. Smaller, expanded versions, but same
>>> core architecture.
>>> That is not related to Intel i80xx series or Motorola.
>>
>> The first microprocessor was the Intel 4004. It consisted of two 4
>> bit chips. These were combined into the 8008, the first 8 bit CPU.
>> That's where the 80 designation started. The first practical CPU,
>> the 8080, capable of running BASIC, was introduced in 1974.
>> The first hobbyist 8080 kit was the 1975 MITS Altair 8800, which
>> also used the S-100 bus, which was the defacto standard until
>> the introduction of the IBM PC with the ISA bus.
>>
>> The first mass produced systems were the Apple II, and the
>> Radio Shack TRS-80, both introduced in 1977. The Apple II
>> was the first to use color graphics.
>>
>>
> Hi IanD,
>
> I think you chronology is slightly off.
>
> The Apple (Motorola 6502) and TRS-80 (Zilog Z80) were introduced in 1976.
> In 1977, Commodore introduced the Pet (Motorola 6502).
>
> In early 1978 Zilog introduced the Z80a. This was a major innovation
> because in allowed for direct inp/out.
>
> Then in late 1979 (possibly early 1980), Commodore introduced the Vic-20
> which was a very dressed down Pet and considerably cheaper.
>
> Between 1980 and 1982 Atari, Texas Instruments, Acorn, Sinclair and a
> number of other companies were developing home PC. That was also the year
> that Commodore introduced the Commodore 64 (Motorola 6510) with 'sprite'
> graphics.
>
> During this time, their were also PC cropping up in offices . . . the one
> that comes to mind for me is the Morrow MicroDecision which was running
> CP/M there were of course other like Compaq and Kaypro.
>
> We now think of the PC as Intel (or AMD), but there were real PCs in the
> home and office way before the IBM (and PC clones). The variety and
> choices were staggering and the prices for the home ones so cheap that it
> was a very crazy time. The last Commodore I bought (a Plus4), I actually
> got a a Toys-r-Us and if I remember right it was only $249.
>
> And just as an aside, if IBM had not gotten greedy and decided to
> over-charge on the MCA (micro-channel architecture) bus, things in the
> computer industry might have gone in a very different direction. The 'gang
> of nine' came together because of that . . . they are in a lot of ways
> responsible for the level of standardization that we have become use to in
> the desktop PC arena.
>
> Sincerely,
> C.Joseph Drayton, Ph.D. AS&T
>
> CSD Computer Services
>
> Web site: http://csdcs.site90.net/
> E-mail: c.joseph@csdcs.site90.net

I'm trying to think of the "office computer" and OS, and Word processor that
was very popular here in the UK many years ago, ...ahah "Amstrad PCW 8512
/ "Locoscript"
http://www.amstradcg.nl/epcw8000.html
An old friend had one of these for a few years, many years ago.
My Amstrad 1512 came with OS's MSDOS 2.1 and Digital Research, and I think
GUI Windows 3.1 !!!!

My orginal point, (sorry about poorly chosen OP / post "Subject" not
relating to content), was simply that on ALL my PC's since then - too
numerous to mention,
and despite always going for cpu's higher up the "current"range - with
resonable quality chipset / plenty of RAM etc. on motherboards, and despite
keeping a tidy machine e.g.
as bloatware free as possible, hd's in good condition reguarly defragged,
"Start" location mstly empty, ...HK** registry "Run" I keep an eye on, ....
Services ....I keep an eye on that's almost a full time job nowadays,

....point was that once in a while one starts something off that takes a
VERY long time !!!!

regards, Richard

 

[RJK]

Re: Windows 7 (XP with a new look!)

On 11 Jan, 02:25, "Russ SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP]"
<r...@REMOVETHIS.sbits.biz> wrote:
> WOW Impressive!
>
> You had the Next Generation version!
> Mine was Chicklet keys.
>
> I sold it and got a Commodore 64
> with a Tape Drive, then a Single Sided 5.25 floppy (was it 170k?)
>
> Major Flaw wit the Commodore64
> Where the Power supply wasn't designed to be on 10hrs a day
> Which I would do.
>
> I returned about 4 of them at Toys R Us before I got one that worked long
> enough.
> (WOW I was addicted to computers way back then even.)
>
> Right now I'm on my laptop, watching the Science channel.
> And I can't wait till "CHUCK"  on NBC Premiers tonight
>
> I may need to go to Internet Addiction Classeshttp/www.icaservices.com/
>
> Naw, too expensive.
> Later!
> Russ
>
> --
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>
> "RJK" <nos...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:ehLB$jlkKHA.2164@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Bill in Co." <not_really_h...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> >news:%23MVJ7AakKHA.4772@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> >> Stan Starinski wrote:
> >>> I am today 37, born/raised in Europe
> >>> I'd agree 8086 was one of the early "practical" PC's.  Can never tell
> >>> who/what was "precisely" first. - often there're multiple events, people
> >>> or
> >>> products.  There were people before Einstein with similar equationsbut
> >>> he
> >>> got his Theory officially presented.
>
> >>> But strictly speaking earliest PC's were long before 8086.  First off,
> >>> the
> >>> number "80" appearing in immense number of IC chips of that era simply
> >>> indicates the decade - 1980's.
> >>> But before that - even I remember using it, we had 8080, truly the first
> >>> practical Microprocessor - by Intel, piror to that we had all kinds of
> >>> "do
> >>> it yourself" kits including venerable Apple in 1976, base don Motorola
> >>> MP.
> >>> It is therefore a custom to specify the birth of PC's as 1976 Apple.
> >>> THAT I
> >>> obviously can't remember (was 4 year sold!).
>
> >>> But IBM quickly seized initiative from "hobbyist" Apple, and producedan
> >>> industrial/business version called simply IBM PC, that's when I'd like
> >>> to
> >>> put a mark because they were first to market the term "PC" as opposedto
> >>> mainframes of previous era (even if Apple used the term, it wasn't a
> >>> TM).
> >>> 1980 was a crucial year
>
> >>> Some years later, I remember reading "Life & Science" magazine in that
> >>> country where I was born, by which time USA already had IBM PC XT & RT,
> >>> and
> >>> even a hardisk called "winchester" then with a whopping 1MB size!!  It
> >>> cost
> >>> like a medium car, and breaking down as a habit.  But we couldn't have
> >>> even
> >>> that.
> >>> In my country we had to use crap, but we had best programmers - the
> >>> irony!
> >>> SO the flow started - brains flew to America, hardware flew to that
> >>> country.
> >>> As soon as we got here (a few of my relatives been living in North
> >>> America
> >>> for at least a century, but we were late), I grabbed a free gift frommy
> >>> father's former wife's new husband.  he was a radiologist (medical), and
> >>> he
> >>> was about to throw out 8086-based PC AT (?), its memory was cutting off
> >>> at
> >>> some small number and stopped self test w/failure.
> >>> Well I took it apart and fixed memory by moving banks around until I hit
> >>> the
> >>> bad one, and removed it; maxiumum was 640KB.  That was a huge number, as
> >>> prior to that our High School "gang' built Z80 gaming machines where
> >>> 32Kb
> >>> was considered an achievement, more often it was 16KB memory.
>
> >>> It sounds ridiculous now, but...  people really had to use brains to
> >>> program
> >>> it.
> >>> Every byte was precious.  I did some insane tricks, like resuing the
> >>> same
> >>> memory byte for both instruction, brnach jump address or data - when
> >>> they
> >>> coincided, things which would be illegal in progrmaming today.
>
> >>> Anyway, 8086 is too powerful to call "first".
> >>> Try i8080, Zilog Z80, Motorola 68000.
>
> >> You mean 6800.
> >> And don't forget the 6502 (used in Apple II).
>
> > I'd forgotten that I had a Sinclair ZX81  (with the proper tactile
> > keynoard - not the rubber keys !!!!)  
>
> > regards, Richard- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

My Amstrad 1512 came with 2 x 5 1/4" 360k ? floppy drives, ...and a
few months later I added that 10MB Seagate hd on an ISA card ! A
later PC (80286 -16mhz - 4mbs' 30 pin, ...or were they 72pin SIMMS?),
had a 20MB hd in it, and I think that one had a seperate ISA
controller card for the hd !
Anyhoooo, I later replaced the floppy drives in 1512 with double
density 1.2mb ones !!! ...and a different aunty gave me a massive box
of 1.2mb 5 1/4" floppy discs from her workplace during it being closed
down forever ! ...I think I eventually threw them away.

regards, Richard

 

[RJK]

On 11 Jan, 02:29, "Russ SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP]"
<r...@REMOVETHIS.sbits.biz> wrote:
> is that with the additional 8087 Math coprocessor or without
> for only $120-130 more (If I remember) LOL
> I worked at Intel so we got a employee discount.
>
> Russ
>
> --
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> Microsoft Gold Certified Partner
> Microsoft Certified Small Business Specialist
> World Wide 24hr SBS Remote Support -http/www.SBITS.Biz
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>
> "RJK" <nos...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:evi0v0lkKHA.2188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Russ SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP]" <r...@REMOVETHIS.sbits.biz> wrote in message
> >newsXUgNFekKHA.2184@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> >>I actually would not want to go back to shoving everything under 512k and
> >>trying to get
> >> Logitec Mouse
> >> Banyan, Novell, and OpenNET Drivers loaded.
> >> (386 MAX was the only tool to do it.)
> >> And IRQ's OH Boy Fun!
>
> >> And even worse was hard Drives, You had to LOW level Format them
> >> and if you didn't have a COMPU$ERVE Accout for $50 bucks a month (YES $50
> >> Bucks for a BBS)
> >> You couldn't get any information on the hard drive sectors cylinders etc.
>
> >> So going back? No thanks
> >> I'll take PNP Image backups and the Internet any day!
> >>
> >> However this shouldn't have taken this long
>
> >> Russ
>
> >> --
> >> Russell Grover - SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP]
> >> Microsoft Gold Certified Partner
> >> Microsoft Certified Small Business Specialist
> >> World Wide 24hr SBS Remote Support -http/www.SBITS.Biz
> >> Microsoft Online Services -http/www.microsoft-online-services.com
>
> > On my old Amstrad 1512, I had to buy the extra 128k memory module and plug
> > it in - to get to 640k
>
> > I notice earlier on this thread that I used the word "manager" twice, 2nd
> > time when referring to emm386.exe, I should have said "expanded memory
> > emulator"
>
> > I often think that software performance (Windows GUI and apps.), on recent
> > Pc hardware, in some ways is not much faster than my first PC, 25? years
> > ago !
>
> > As an example, many years ago I used to use DOS based "Masterfile PC"
> > (daisychain type database program), which could sort 4,000 records in 10
> > or 20 seconds, on an old 8086  8mhz based machine, ...mainly of course
> > because the whole program was written in Microsoft Macro Assembler  
>
> > regards, Richard- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Oh boy, ...such memories, I also splashed out on an 8087 chip, so that
DOS based SuperCalc spreadsheet program had some guts !
....and you've reminded me of that SoundBlaster chip, that plugged into
a Soundblaster card - for a more realistic speech synthesizer ...was
it ?
That chip was marketed and sold in a lovely Orangey coloured box box,
with large lump of foam ...and that teeny square chip in it !

regards, Richard

 

[Roy Smith]

Re: Windows 7 (XP with a new look!)

On 1/9/2010 11:17 PM, Bill in Co. wrote:
> Ian D wrote:
>> "Stan Starinski" <China@stealsUSJobsPatentsSoftwareMusicVideo> wrote in
>> message news:eICfZzZkKHA.1540@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>> I am today 37, born/raised in Europe
>>> I'd agree 8086 was one of the early "practical" PC's. Can never tell
>>> who/what was "precisely" first. - often there're multiple events, people
>>> or products. There were people before Einstein with similar equations
>>> but
>>> he got his Theory officially presented.
>>>
>>> But strictly speaking earliest PC's were long before 8086. First off,
>>> the
>>> number "80" appearing in immense number of IC chips of that era simply
>>> indicates the decade - 1980's.
>>> But before that - even I remember using it, we had 8080, truly the first
>>> practical Microprocessor - by Intel, piror to that we had all kinds of
>>> "do
>>> it yourself" kits including venerable Apple in 1976, base don Motorola
>>> MP.
>>> It is therefore a custom to specify the birth of PC's as 1976 Apple.
>>> THAT
>>> I obviously can't remember (was 4 year sold!).
>>>
>>> But IBM quickly seized initiative from "hobbyist" Apple, and produced an
>>> industrial/business version called simply IBM PC, that's when I'd like to
>>> put a mark because they were first to market the term "PC" as opposed to
>>> mainframes of previous era (even if Apple used the term, it wasn't a TM).
>>> 1980 was a crucial year
>>>
>>> Some years later, I remember reading "Life & Science" magazine in that
>>> country where I was born, by which time USA already had IBM PC XT & RT,
>>> and even a hardisk called "winchester" then with a whopping 1MB size!!
>>> It
>>> cost like a medium car, and breaking down as a habit. But we couldn't
>>> have even that.
>>> In my country we had to use crap, but we had best programmers - the
>>> irony!
>>> SO the flow started - brains flew to America, hardware flew to that
>>> country.
>>> As soon as we got here (a few of my relatives been living in North
>>> America
>>> for at least a century, but we were late), I grabbed a free gift from my
>>> father's former wife's new husband. he was a radiologist (medical), and
>>> he was about to throw out 8086-based PC AT (?), its memory was cutting
>>> off
>>> at some small number and stopped self test w/failure.
>>> Well I took it apart and fixed memory by moving banks around until I hit
>>> the bad one, and removed it; maxiumum was 640KB. That was a huge number,
>>> as prior to that our High School "gang' built Z80 gaming machines where
>>> 32Kb was considered an achievement, more often it was 16KB memory.
>>>
>>> It sounds ridiculous now, but... people really had to use brains to
>>> program it.
>>> Every byte was precious. I did some insane tricks, like resuing the same
>>> memory byte for both instruction, brnach jump address or data - when they
>>> coincided, things which would be illegal in progrmaming today.
>>>
>>> Anyway, 8086 is too powerful to call "first".
>>> Try i8080, Zilog Z80, Motorola 68000.
>
> 6800, not 68000.
>
>>> To me Z80 has the most meaning, I was 16.... that microprocessor was
>>> ceated by geniuses in California (?), it was too good for its time. It
>>> was so cheap, robust, reliable that BELIEVE it or not, still used in
>>> appliances, home automation, etc. Smaller, expanded versions, but same
>>> core architecture.
>>> That is not related to Intel i80xx series or Motorola.
>>
>> The first microprocessor was the Intel 4004.
>
> Thanks for bringing that up. - I couldn't remember the 4xxx number!!
>
>> It consisted of two 4
>> bit chips. These were combined into the 8008, the first 8 bit CPU.
>> That's where the 80 designation started. The first practical CPU,
>> the 8080, capable of running BASIC, was introduced in 1974.
>> The first hobbyist 8080 kit was the 1975 MITS Altair 8800, which
>> also used the S-100 bus, which was the defacto standard until
>> the introduction of the IBM PC with the ISA bus.
>>
>> The first mass produced systems were the Apple II, and the
>
> With the 6502.
>
>> Radio Shack TRS-80, both introduced in 1977.
>
> Don't remember what up the Trash 80 used, but think it was one of the Intel
> 8xxx series, not Motorola. Or maybe the Z-80??? Yeah, I think it was
> the Z-80.
>
>> The Apple II was the first to use color graphics.
>
> I guess Atari and Commodore followed soon afterward, but my memory is
> fading.

It's not fading that fast. The C-64 was a few months later as it was
based on the Motorola 6510 processor. There was a Motorola 68000 which
was used in the Amiga and the Macintosh & Lisa, but that was several
years later than the time frame we're talking about.

 

[Russ SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP]]

I know this is an old reply
but WOW I remember the orange box
was it a 14 pin dual inline chip also?

Ya HUGH Box for a little itty bitty chip!
of course they do the same thing for today also
Russ

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"RJK" <d935@live.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On 11 Jan, 02:29, "Russ SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP]"
> <r...@REMOVETHIS.sbits.biz> wrote:
>> is that with the additional 8087 Math coprocessor or without
>> for only $120-130 more (If I remember) LOL
>> I worked at Intel so we got a employee discount.
>>
>> Russ
>>
>> --
>> Russell Grover - SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP]
>> Microsoft Gold Certified Partner
>> Microsoft Certified Small Business Specialist
>> World Wide 24hr SBS Remote Support -http/www.SBITS.Biz
>> Microsoft Online Services -http/www.microsoft-online-services.com
>>
>> "RJK" <nos...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:evi0v0lkKHA.2188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > "Russ SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP]" <r...@REMOVETHIS.sbits.biz> wrote in message
>> >newsXUgNFekKHA.2184@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> >>I actually would not want to go back to shoving everything under 512k
>> >>and
>> >>trying to get
>> >> Logitec Mouse
>> >> Banyan, Novell, and OpenNET Drivers loaded.
>> >> (386 MAX was the only tool to do it.)
>> >> And IRQ's OH Boy Fun!
>>
>> >> And even worse was hard Drives, You had to LOW level Format them
>> >> and if you didn't have a COMPU$ERVE Accout for $50 bucks a month (YES
>> >> $50
>> >> Bucks for a BBS)
>> >> You couldn't get any information on the hard drive sectors cylinders
>> >> etc.
>>
>> >> So going back? No thanks
>> >> I'll take PNP Image backups and the Internet any day!
>> >>
>> >> However this shouldn't have taken this long
>>
>> >> Russ
>>
>> >> --
>> >> Russell Grover - SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP]
>> >> Microsoft Gold Certified Partner
>> >> Microsoft Certified Small Business Specialist
>> >> World Wide 24hr SBS Remote Support -http/www.SBITS.Biz
>> >> Microsoft Online Services -http/www.microsoft-online-services.com
>>
>> > On my old Amstrad 1512, I had to buy the extra 128k memory module and
>> > plug
>> > it in - to get to 640k
>>
>> > I notice earlier on this thread that I used the word "manager" twice,
>> > 2nd
>> > time when referring to emm386.exe, I should have said "expanded memory
>> > emulator"
>>
>> > I often think that software performance (Windows GUI and apps.), on
>> > recent
>> > Pc hardware, in some ways is not much faster than my first PC, 25?
>> > years
>> > ago !
>>
>> > As an example, many years ago I used to use DOS based "Masterfile PC"
>> > (daisychain type database program), which could sort 4,000 records in
>> > 10
>> > or 20 seconds, on an old 8086 8mhz based machine, ...mainly of course
>> > because the whole program was written in Microsoft Macro Assembler
>>
>> > regards, Richard- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Oh boy, ...such memories, I also splashed out on an 8087 chip, so that
> DOS based SuperCalc spreadsheet program had some guts !
> ...and you've reminded me of that SoundBlaster chip, that plugged into
> a Soundblaster card - for a more realistic speech synthesizer ...was
> it ?
> That chip was marketed and sold in a lovely Orangey coloured box box,
> with large lump of foam ...and that teeny square chip in it !
>
> regards, Richard
>
>
>
>

 

[RJK]

"Russ SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP]" <russ@REMOVETHIS.sbits.biz> wrote in message
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>I know this is an old reply
> but WOW I remember the orange box
> was it a 14 pin dual inline chip also?
>
> Ya HUGH Box for a little itty bitty chip!
> of course they do the same thing for today also
> Russ
>

The thing is, that was during the time when hardware was "evolving" so
rapidly, and I was "seemingly" upgrading system box innards every few
months, that by the time I'd had 30 minutes use out of that Soundblaster
card, .....I'd progressed to a system box with motherboard in it that no
longer had ISA sockets on it !

My longest lived PC, towards the end of that rapid period of "ICM PC
Compatible" evolution was an AMD XP2600+ based machine which served me well
for about 6 years !!

....I think the AMD K6/2 500mhz, (just before that one), only lasted a few
months !!!

regards, Richard

 

[Russ SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP]]

Every AMD Chip I've ever bought has failed in less than 3 years
(About 5 of them)
Yes you'd think I'd learn.
But I bought Three in 1 year then 2 in the next
and within 4 years they all died.
I even sent the system to AMD because they didn't know why they failed.
Now that I'm 100% intel I've had no issues.

I don't like to keep PC's for 6 years that's too long in tooth in
technology.
I still have a intel Celeron Server that is 12 years old with the CPU fan
broken.
(Basically a Print server, and second backup)
But it's still going strong

About 5 years IMO is the max for a PC's life...
After that it's not worth waiting for it to boot
Later
Russ

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"RJK" <nosuch@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Russ SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP]" <russ@REMOVETHIS.sbits.biz> wrote in message
> newseFggk4mKHA.5528@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>I know this is an old reply
>> but WOW I remember the orange box
>> was it a 14 pin dual inline chip also?
>>
>> Ya HUGH Box for a little itty bitty chip!
>> of course they do the same thing for today also
>> Russ
>>
>
> The thing is, that was during the time when hardware was "evolving" so
> rapidly, and I was "seemingly" upgrading system box innards every few
> months, that by the time I'd had 30 minutes use out of that Soundblaster
> card, .....I'd progressed to a system box with motherboard in it that no
> longer had ISA sockets on it !
>
> My longest lived PC, towards the end of that rapid period of "ICM PC
> Compatible" evolution was an AMD XP2600+ based machine which served me
> well for about 6 years !!
>
> ...I think the AMD K6/2 500mhz, (just before that one), only lasted a few
> months !!!
>
> regards, Richard
>
>
>

 

[Roger]

Re: Windows 7 (XP with a new look!)

Nobody mention the venerable Heathkit 8080 (my first one), as an option
had a casette interface intended for "massive" storage And the
"luxurious" Heathkit "All-In-One" H-89 (my second one) featuring a 2 Mhz
Z-80, full 16 KB memory and 100KB Floppy, running HDOS. I upgraded to
32KB and then 64KB plus 1.2MB Floppy and CP/M. Gee I'm old too!

On 1/9/2010 84 PM, RJK wrote:
> "Stan Starinski"<China@stealsUSJobsPatentsSoftwareMusicVideo> wrote in
> message news:ep$dsKZkKHA.4912@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>> I'm 54 years old and have been using PC's since they were invented
>>
>> So you started in 1976?
>> By the way, Asus is not a bad brand, it's favored by techies,
>> do-it-yourselves, etc., it's not a "cozy" brand like Apple. Their
>> specialty is bare-bone motherboards for desktops, and sleek laptops with
>> more substance, than appearance.
>> Despite that I'll still buy an HP again, when it's time, for political
>> reasons (too long to explain why).
>>
>> Second, Windows7's been perfect here, as well.
>>
>> I think you were having a bad day/bad luck, and no reason to blame either
>> Asus or Windows7.
>> When you write optical disks e.g. DVDR, be sure to select most
>> conservative settings, without bells& whistles of "life file system", UDF
>> and other invitations for trouble.
>> Choose Mastering, Disk-at-Once, maximum compatibility and don't let it run
>> too clos eot capacity limit, AND make sure long filenames are not nested
>> too deeply inside filetrees., AND make sure your DVD writing software is
>> set up to "verify" disk after writing.
>> It takes a long time even on most pwerful computers, but if you write
>> critical data, time is not the priority. Quality is.
>
> hi ...can't really remember year - 1st PC was 8086 8mhz with
> 512kb+128kb=640kb ...oh those wonderful days when one fought with
> Quarterdeck to get everything stuffed into that high memory area !
> ..and manually configuring DOS 3.2's himem.sys and emm386.exe etc !
> (extended mem. manager and expanded memory manager etc. !)
> DOS 2.1 and another OS was shipped with it ...until MSDOS won the day !
>
> Asus x5DIJ looks and feels lovely, and Windows 7 is responsive and lovely
> but, why on earth I'm here at 10am still waiting for this "AI Recovery"
> software to produce 4 x DVD's is somewhat disappointing to say the least !
>
> regards, Richard
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

 

[Leythos]

In article <OtAO4zFnKHA.4628@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl>,
russ@REMOVETHIS.sbits.biz says...
> About 5 years IMO is the max for a PC's life...
> After that it's not worth waiting for it to boot
> Later
>

Never bought a non-INTEL cpu myself and never had one fail.

I have clients at small shops that still run Windows 2000 workstations
that are as fast as their XP counterparts with the newest versions of
apps.

While I would never keep using a production machine beyond a couple
years, I happen to have a couple nice 3.2ghz and dual CPU machines that
are currently faster than many average CORE2 and Core2 Duo machines that
cost more....

--
You can't trust your best friends, your five senses, only the little
voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that.
Trust yourself.
spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)

 

[ANONYMOU S]

"Russ SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP]" <russ@REMOVETHIS.sbits.biz> wrote in message
newstAO4zFnKHA.4628@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> About 5 years IMO is the max for a PC's life...
> After that it's not worth waiting for it to boot
> Later

This when you need your brain to be examined by a specialist. If you think
the machine has become slower to boot up because of its age then clearly
your brain has lost some important cells in those 5 years. Microsoft gives
people like you a title and it is called Most Valuable Pig or MVP for
short..

 

[RJK]

"Leythos" <spam999free@rrohio.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.25c53d7155dc2a9698a0cd@us.news.astraweb.com...
> In article <OtAO4zFnKHA.4628@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl>,
> russ@REMOVETHIS.sbits.biz says...
>> About 5 years IMO is the max for a PC's life...
>> After that it's not worth waiting for it to boot
>> Later
>>
>
> Never bought a non-INTEL cpu myself and never had one fail.
>
> I have clients at small shops that still run Windows 2000 workstations
> that are as fast as their XP counterparts with the newest versions of
> apps.
>
> While I would never keep using a production machine beyond a couple
> years, I happen to have a couple nice 3.2ghz and dual CPU machines that
> are currently faster than many average CORE2 and Core2 Duo machines that
> cost more....
>
> --
> You can't trust your best friends, your five senses, only the little
> voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that.
> Trust yourself.
> spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)

I've never had an AMD, or Intel cpu fail, ever ! (...never been into
overclocking - stressing parts beyond the binned specs.), and always tried
to afford quality parts esp. psu | motherboard | memory,
....this, my main Home PC, is an ancient AMD Athlon 64 X2 6000+ -
ADA6000IAA6CZ on an Asus M3N78, ...and I love it. Tiz in an Antec Solo case
and its' all very well behaved !
I am tempted to put more memory in it and go from XP Home SP3+ to W7 but,
when will I find the time !? ...plus all that time fiddling and tweaking
and getting things how one wants them - to get to that happy state where
everything works beautifully, ALL of the time !

Last year, I treated my 2nd PC's ancient Asrock Conroe 865PE to an old Skt
775 Core 2 6300 1.86ghz, then had to bung in 2x1gb HyperX PC3200 to get the
darned thing running at the limited 1066* / 266mhz actual / x7 etc.
....should never have pulled out that Pentium D 935 to repair a friends PC
...moan ..moan

One of the points I was trying to make was that at my XP2600 point in time,
it remained pleasantly usable for about 6 years, and putting off upgrading
was easier to avoid, for a longer time ! The hardware side of things is
fun, ...takes me twice as long as "normal," love to apply lots of TLC and
find best routes for cables before zip-tying etc. but, the thought of
knocking that Windows platform back into the shape I want it, i.e. the time
it takes always filled me with dread ! ...still does !!
....and that's with my "little" range application software ready to be
stuffed in from 2nd hd ! but, ...all those little bits of tweaking,
installing, that only take a few seconds or minutes each but, a dreadful
number of hours disappears during the effort !!!!!!

regards, Richard

 

[RJK]

"ANONYMOU S" <ANONYMOU_S@EXAMPLE.COM> wrote in message
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>
> "Russ SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP]" <russ@REMOVETHIS.sbits.biz> wrote in message
> newstAO4zFnKHA.4628@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>
>> About 5 years IMO is the max for a PC's life...
>> After that it's not worth waiting for it to boot
>> Later
>
> This when you need your brain to be examined by a specialist. If you
> think the machine has become slower to boot up because of its age then
> clearly your brain has lost some important cells in those 5 years.
> Microsoft gives people like you a title and it is called Most Valuable Pig
> or MVP for short..
>

Is this a new way of advising that one should try to keep ones PC free from
bloat-ware, and keep an eye on registry Run locations, ...Unnecessary
Serices, ...Startup items, etc. etc. ?

regards, Richard

 

[ANONYMOUS]

YES especially if the querist is a pig.

RJK wrote:

> Is this a new way of advising that one should try to keep ones PC free from
> bloat-ware, and keep an eye on registry Run locations, ...Unnecessary
> Serices, ...Startup items, etc. etc. ?
>

 

[Russ SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP]]

LMAO
You are hillarious!
Thanks..
I needed a good laugh
Have a great day!
Russ

--
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"ANONYMOU S" <ANONYMOU_S@EXAMPLE.COM> wrote in message
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>
> "Russ SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP]" <russ@REMOVETHIS.sbits.biz> wrote in message
> newstAO4zFnKHA.4628@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>
>> About 5 years IMO is the max for a PC's life...
>> After that it's not worth waiting for it to boot
>> Later
>
> This when you need your brain to be examined by a specialist. If you
> think the machine has become slower to boot up because of its age then
> clearly your brain has lost some important cells in those 5 years.
> Microsoft gives people like you a title and it is called Most Valuable Pig
> or MVP for short..
>
>
>
>
>
>

 

[Russ SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP]]

Sorry Anonymous,
To laugh at you, I thought where joking
I honestly didn't believe you didn't know these things.

Just Google "Moore's Law" and you will find some interesting knowledge
There are many things in the internet that can help you increase your
knowledge
Plus many books at your local library.
Please check some of them out and read.

My apologies.
But there is some great information about computer on the net
Read up, you may learn some things!

Russ

--
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Microsoft Gold Certified Partner
Microsoft Certified Small Business Specialist
24hr SBS Remote Support - http://www.SBITS.Biz
Microsoft Online Services - http://www.microsoft-online-services.com


"ANONYMOUS" <ANONYMOUS@EXAMPLE.COM> wrote in message
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> YES especially if the querist is a pig.
>
> RJK wrote:
>
>> Is this a new way of advising that one should try to keep ones PC free
>> from
>> bloat-ware, and keep an eye on registry Run locations, ...Unnecessary
>> Serices, ...Startup items, etc. etc. ?
>>
>