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OT: what is the deal with Google?

Discussion in 'Notebooks' started by John Doue, May 7, 2010.

  1. John Doue

    John Doue Flightless Bird

    Since yesterday, Google's UI has dramatically changed. Located presently
    in Finland, I can no longer normally access Google.com. The settings
    option has disappeared, making it impossible to select the way Google works.

    Furthermore, I used to have the option, under the search field to select
    whether I wanted to search international sites, french language sites,
    or only French sites.

    This has disappeared too.

    Do you guys in the US have noticed the same phenomenon? I have used a
    fake IP pretending to be in the US. The settings option has disappeared too.

    Sorry for being OT but I knew this NG to be fairly understanding ...
    --
    John Doue
     
  2. Bert Hyman

    Bert Hyman Flightless Bird

    In news:hs18fu$d4h$1@news.eternal-september.org John Doue
    <notwobe@yahoo.com> wrote:

    > Do you guys in the US have noticed the same phenomenon? I have used a
    > fake IP pretending to be in the US. The settings option has
    > disappeared too.


    I always enter Google via a saved shortcut to the "Advanced Search" page

    http://www.google.com/advanced_search

    and the "Settings" selector is still there in the upper right.

    --
    Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN bert@iphouse.com
     
  3. John Doue

    John Doue Flightless Bird

    On 5/7/2010 5:42 PM, Bert Hyman wrote:
    > In news:hs18fu$d4h$1@news.eternal-september.org John Doue
    > <notwobe@yahoo.com> wrote:
    >
    >> Do you guys in the US have noticed the same phenomenon? I have used a
    >> fake IP pretending to be in the US. The settings option has
    >> disappeared too.

    >
    > I always enter Google via a saved shortcut to the "Advanced Search" page
    >
    > http://www.google.com/advanced_search
    >
    > and the "Settings" selector is still there in the upper right.
    >


    Thanks. I will do that from now on, especially since the Gmail link
    shows up immediately whereas you have to wait a long time or enter a
    search before it shows in the "improved" UI. I am curious to know what
    motivated such a move ... Money no doubt, but how?

    Thanks again, bye bye Google eye candy.

    --
    John Doue
     
  4. Sjouke Burry

    Sjouke Burry Flightless Bird

    Bert Hyman wrote:
    > In news:hs18fu$d4h$1@news.eternal-september.org John Doue
    > <notwobe@yahoo.com> wrote:
    >
    >> Do you guys in the US have noticed the same phenomenon? I have used a
    >> fake IP pretending to be in the US. The settings option has
    >> disappeared too.

    >
    > I always enter Google via a saved shortcut to the "Advanced Search" page
    >
    > http://www.google.com/advanced_search
    >
    > and the "Settings" selector is still there in the upper right.
    >

    From the Netherlands:
    I use the Usa google as homepage, http://www.google.com/webhp.
    Altough I still have to watch out for "kind" packages to install
    google or yahoo toolbars or switch my homepage.

    Btw, www.googl.com still sends me to www.google.nl, thats why I use the
    special homepage link.
     
  5. John Doue

    John Doue Flightless Bird

    Sjouke Burry wrote:
    > Bert Hyman wrote:
    >> In news:hs18fu$d4h$1@news.eternal-september.org John Doue
    >> <notwobe@yahoo.com> wrote:
    >>> Do you guys in the US have noticed the same phenomenon? I have used a
    >>> fake IP pretending to be in the US. The settings option has
    >>> disappeared too.

    >>
    >> I always enter Google via a saved shortcut to the "Advanced Search" page
    >>
    >> http://www.google.com/advanced_search
    >>
    >> and the "Settings" selector is still there in the upper right.
    >>

    > From the Netherlands:
    > I use the Usa google as homepage, http://www.google.com/webhp.
    > Altough I still have to watch out for "kind" packages to install
    > google or yahoo toolbars or switch my homepage.
    >
    > Btw, www.googl.com still sends me to www.google.nl, thats why I use the
    > special homepage link.


    Thanks for the info. Needless to say, residing in Finland for the moment
    but not speaking more than a few words of finnish, I find it very
    frustrating to be send back to google.fi.

    Thanks again.
     
  6. BillW50

    BillW50 Flightless Bird

    Re: what is the deal with Google?

    In news:hs18fu$d4h$1@news.eternal-september.org,
    John Doue typed on Fri, 07 May 2010 17:35:41 +0300:
    > Since yesterday, Google's UI has dramatically changed. Located
    > presently in Finland, I can no longer normally access Google.com. The
    > settings
    > option has disappeared, making it impossible to select the way Google
    > works.
    > Furthermore, I used to have the option, under the search field to
    > select whether I wanted to search international sites, french
    > language sites, or only French sites.
    >
    > This has disappeared too.
    >
    > Do you guys in the US have noticed the same phenomenon? I have used a
    > fake IP pretending to be in the US. The settings option has
    > disappeared too.
    > Sorry for being OT but I knew this NG to be fairly understanding ...


    Hello John! What browser are you using? As Google has been acting this
    way for at least a month here in the states at least with IE. Although
    while nothing shows except the search box. The rest of it will appear if
    you move the mouse up there and then it all appears. Have you tried
    this?

    --
    Bill
    Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Windows XP SP3
     
  7. John Doue

    John Doue Flightless Bird

    Re: what is the deal with Google?

    BillW50 wrote:
    > In news:hs18fu$d4h$1@news.eternal-september.org,
    > John Doue typed on Fri, 07 May 2010 17:35:41 +0300:
    >> Since yesterday, Google's UI has dramatically changed. Located
    >> presently in Finland, I can no longer normally access Google.com. The
    >> settings
    >> option has disappeared, making it impossible to select the way Google
    >> works.
    >> Furthermore, I used to have the option, under the search field to
    >> select whether I wanted to search international sites, french
    >> language sites, or only French sites.
    >>
    >> This has disappeared too.
    >>
    >> Do you guys in the US have noticed the same phenomenon? I have used a
    >> fake IP pretending to be in the US. The settings option has
    >> disappeared too.
    >> Sorry for being OT but I knew this NG to be fairly understanding ...

    >
    > Hello John! What browser are you using? As Google has been acting this
    > way for at least a month here in the states at least with IE. Although
    > while nothing shows except the search box. The rest of it will appear if
    > you move the mouse up there and then it all appears. Have you tried
    > this?
    >

    Hi Bill,

    I am mostly using Firefox and Seamonkey, never IE. I had noticed the way
    Google acts several days ago but had not tried to move the mouse. It
    does work. Thanks.

    Until yesterday, going to google.fr gave me three options, search for
    English answers, search both for French and English, or French only.
    This was very convenient for me since I translate from English into French.

    Now, those options are gone and I have not found a way to find the
    equivalent. So now, I have to use two different tabs for Google, one
    google.fr, the other google.com/webhp kindly provided by Sjouke (would
    not venture to try pronouncing his/her name!). I am still missing the
    option, especially useful to me, to select "answers in *both* languages".

    I realize that, on the surface, Google provides a supposedly free
    service and that you don't look into a gift horse' mouth, as the saying
    goes. But ...

    Regards

    --
    John Doue
     
  8. P.V.

    P.V. Flightless Bird

    "John Doue" <notwobe@yahoo.com> kirjoitti
    viestissä:hs18fu$d4h$1@news.eternal-september.org...
    > Since yesterday, Google's UI has dramatically changed. Located presently
    > in Finland, I can no longer normally access Google.com. The settings
    > option has disappeared, making it impossible to select the way Google
    > works.


    In the end of the page "www.google.fi" there's a link named 'Google.com in
    English', leading to "http://www.google.com/ncr". That will take you to
    "www.google.com".


    > Furthermore, I used to have the option, under the search field to select
    > whether I wanted to search international sites, french language sites, or
    > only French sites.
    >
    > This has disappeared too.


    In the end of the line where you enter your search there's link named
    'Language Tools', or 'Kielivalinnat' in Finnish.

    There you can select languages. The default is 'Automatically selected
    languages' but when you change that to 'Specific languages' you can select
    which languages you want to be included in the search results.

    Back in the first page, on top-right you can select 'Settings -> Search
    settings' ('Asetukset -> Hakuasetukset') where you can choose language of
    the UI.



    I'm not sure these options were shown right after the UI update. Perhaps
    they've been quickly added after complaints from other people in your
    situation, or perhaps I just hadn't noticed them because I wasn't looking
    for options I don't usually use.

    Another observation: "www.google.us" would seem to take you to the .com site
    instead of the .fi site.


    P.V.
     
  9. BillW50

    BillW50 Flightless Bird

    Re: what is the deal with Google?

    In news:hs3pm1$qeh$1@speranza.aioe.org,
    John Doue typed on Sat, 08 May 2010 16:41:23 +0300:
    [...]
    > I realize that, on the surface, Google provides a supposedly free
    > service and that you don't look into a gift horse' mouth, as the
    > saying goes. But ...
    >
    > Regards


    Google is free? Well it might appear that way to the end user. But
    Google makes megabucks off of the users. Let alone from advertisers. As
    Google uses the information from the users input and stores them for 9
    months I believe it is. As they know who you are by recording your IP
    address. And they make tons of money with this information.

    For some people, they get really nervous about somebody who they don't
    know, knowing more about them than they themselves knows. Yes I can see
    this. And for those, there is always ixquick.com. Which claims they
    don't keep track of anybody. Which appears to be different than any
    other search engine. And for those curious...

    http://www.ixquick.com/eng/privacy-policy.html

    --
    Bill
    Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Windows XP SP3
     
  10. Lars

    Lars Flightless Bird

    Previously, on Usenet John Doue <notwobe@yahoo.com> wrote:

    >Thanks for the info. Needless to say, residing in Finland for the moment
    >but not speaking more than a few words of finnish, I find it very
    >frustrating to be send back to google.fi.


    I use this link to keep Google all in English;
    http://www.google.co.uk/

    Lars
    Stockholm
     
  11. AJL

    AJL Flightless Bird

    Re: what is the deal with Google?

    "BillW50" <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote:

    >As they [Google] know who you are by recording
    >your IP address.


    On Qwest DSL I can change my IP address by simply killing my modem for
    a few minutes. Occasionally it just changes by itself. My old
    Earthlink dialup changed my IP every time I logged in. So I doubt
    Google knows me by my IP address. Perhaps by my cookies though...

    Course if I do something really bad law enforcement can find me
    through Qwest's IP logs... but not Google...yet. 8-O
     
  12. John Doue

    John Doue Flightless Bird

    On 5/8/2010 5:09 PM, P.V. wrote:
    > "John Doue" <notwobe@yahoo.com> kirjoitti
    > viestissä:hs18fu$d4h$1@news.eternal-september.org...
    >> Since yesterday, Google's UI has dramatically changed. Located
    >> presently in Finland, I can no longer normally access Google.com. The
    >> settings option has disappeared, making it impossible to select the
    >> way Google works.

    >
    > In the end of the page "www.google.fi" there's a link named 'Google.com
    > in English', leading to "http://www.google.com/ncr". That will take you
    > to "www.google.com".
    >
    >
    >> Furthermore, I used to have the option, under the search field to
    >> select whether I wanted to search international sites, french language
    >> sites, or only French sites.
    >>
    >> This has disappeared too.

    >
    > In the end of the line where you enter your search there's link named
    > 'Language Tools', or 'Kielivalinnat' in Finnish.
    >
    > There you can select languages. The default is 'Automatically selected
    > languages' but when you change that to 'Specific languages' you can
    > select which languages you want to be included in the search results.
    >
    > Back in the first page, on top-right you can select 'Settings -> Search
    > settings' ('Asetukset -> Hakuasetukset') where you can choose language
    > of the UI.
    >
    >
    >
    > I'm not sure these options were shown right after the UI update. Perhaps
    > they've been quickly added after complaints from other people in your
    > situation, or perhaps I just hadn't noticed them because I wasn't
    > looking for options I don't usually use.
    >
    > Another observation: "www.google.us" would seem to take you to the .com
    > site instead of the .fi site.
    >
    >
    > P.V.
    >
    >


    Thanks. Indeed, google.us takes me, too, where I want to be.

    Yes, I am aware of these settings and options, which probably would
    allow to do about what I want, but much less conviently than before ...

    Thanks for the tip.

    --
    John Doue
     
  13. John Doue

    John Doue Flightless Bird

    On 5/8/2010 10:44 PM, Lars wrote:
    > Previously, on Usenet John Doue<notwobe@yahoo.com> wrote:
    >
    >> Thanks for the info. Needless to say, residing in Finland for the moment
    >> but not speaking more than a few words of finnish, I find it very
    >> frustrating to be send back to google.fi.

    >
    > I use this link to keep Google all in English;
    > http://www.google.co.uk/
    >
    > Lars
    > Stockholm


    Thanks Lars, comes in handy for shopping. Otherwise, I am partial to
    American English :)

    --
    John Doue
     
  14. BillW50

    BillW50 Flightless Bird

    Re: what is the deal with Google?

    In news:9vjcu5hg3mue526kkhnk5ssr93lol0ivrc@4ax.com,
    AJL typed on Sat, 08 May 2010 23:16:34 -0700:
    > "BillW50" <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote:
    >
    >> As they [Google] know who you are by recording
    >> your IP address.

    >
    > On Qwest DSL I can change my IP address by simply killing my modem for
    > a few minutes. Occasionally it just changes by itself. My old
    > Earthlink dialup changed my IP every time I logged in. So I doubt
    > Google knows me by my IP address. Perhaps by my cookies though...
    >
    > Course if I do something really bad law enforcement can find me
    > through Qwest's IP logs... but not Google...yet. 8-O


    True, but not true of everybody. And yes there are other things that
    Google can use besides IP addresses to figure out who you are. One is
    your computer tells Google what browser you are using, screen
    resolution, computer name, and user name. That might be all they need.
    But there are other things like cookies as you mentioned. And a lot of
    people use some sort of Google service like GMail, apps, and whatever
    that requires logging in. So they have many ways to figure out who you
    are. And they used to store what you were doing up to 18 months. Privacy
    people complained and Google knocked it down to 9 months. Google also
    has "My Location" service which tracks wherever you go. But I think you
    have to opt in before they can pull that off.

    --
    Bill
    Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Windows XP SP3
     
  15. AJL

    AJL Flightless Bird

    Re: what is the deal with Google?

    "BillW50" <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote:

    >Google can use besides IP addresses to figure out who you are. One is
    >your computer tells Google what browser you are using, screen
    >resolution, computer name, and user name.


    I don't think they get your computer name or user name, but they get
    lots else. Here's what my Opera browser tells about me:
    (mybrowserinfo.com)

    Your IP Address is 75.167.62.228
    Detail About Your IP Address
    Country:
    (US) United States
    Region:
    Arizona
    City:
    Mesa
    ISP Name:
    Qwest Communications Company Llc
    Your Browser User Agent String is
    Opera/9.80 (Windows NT 6.0; U; en) Presto/2.5.24 Version/10.52
    Operating System:
    Microsoft
    Platform:
    Windows Vista
    Internet Browser:
    Opera 9.80
    Beta Version:
    No
    Connection Speed:
    1095493 bits/sec (133.73 KBytes/sec)
    Restrictive Firewall:
    No
    Local Date/Time:
    5/9/2010 9:12:19 PM
    Language:
    English
    System Language:
    Not detectable with this browser
    User Language:
    en
    Popups Blocked:
    Yes
    SSL Support:
    Yes
    SSL Enabled:
    Yes
    Style Sheet Support:
    Yes
    Supports Tables:
    Yes
    Table Cell BG Colors:
    Supported
    Table Cell BG Images:
    Supported
    CDF Support:
    No (Channel Definition Format)
    Color Depth:
    16.77 Million Colors (32-bit True Color)
    Supports GZip:
    Yes
    Supports Cookies:
    Yes
    Cookies Enabled:
    Enabled
    Supports JavaScript:
    Yes
    JavaScript Enabled:
    Yes
    JavaScript Version:
    1.5
    JavaScript Build:
    Not detectable with this browser
    Supports VBScript:
    No
    Supports ActiveX:
    No
    ActiveX Enabled:
    No
    Supports Java:
    Yes
    Java Enabled:
    No
    Java Vendor:
    Java N/A (applet not accessible)
    Java Version:
    Java N/A (applet not accessible)
    MS JVM Build:
    Not detectable with this browser
    Supports DHTML:
    Yes
    Supports Uploads:
    Yes
    Supports Frames:
    Yes
    Gecko Engine:
    No
    Screen Dimensions:
    1366 x 768
    Browser Dimensions:
    1366 x 655
    Supports IFrames:
    Yes
    Images Enabled:
    Yes
    PNG Support:
    Yes
    XML Support:
    Yes
    MS XML Parser:
    Not detectable with this browser
    Background Sounds:
    Not Supported
    Supports MouseOver:
    Yes
    Windows Installer:
    4
    ..NET CLR Installed:
    No
    MS Media Player:
    Not installed
    Apple QuickTime:
    Not installed
    RealPlayer:
    Not installed
    Adobe Acrobat:
    Installed (version Not tested or result unavailable)
    Adobe SVG Viewer:
    Not installed
    Macromedia Flash:
    Version 10 (version 10.0 r45)
    Macromedia Director:
    Not installed
    Macromedia Authorware:
    Not installed
    Citrix:
    Not installed
    iPIX Image Viewer:
    Not installed
    Crystal Reports:
    Not installed
    Viewpoint:
    Not installed
    Autodesk MapGuide:
    Not installed
    NetMeeting Build:
    Not detectable with this browser
    Using PDA:
    No
    WAP Support:
    No
    Proxy Connection:
    No
    Font Smoothing:
    No
    Font Sizing:
    Yes
    IE Text Size:
    Not detectable with this browser
    Fonts Installed:
     

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