OT: Missing MVP's

[Nancy Jackman]

Re: Missing MVP's

Addition to my last:

O.K.

I looked at it.

But it seems to require logging in with a Windows Live Mail ID to a
"special" server.

No?

If so, why would anyone want to do that and open oneself up to all sorts of
invasive techniques by hackers and government agents.

Do you REALLY think the General Public is so GULLIBLE?

Well, SOME folks certainly ARE. So you DO have some evidence for their
gullibility.

Microsoft even has a disclaimer that tells us the "Community Forums NNTP
bridge" is not really a MS product -- or you're logging into a SERVER that
is NOT a MS APPLICATION....

Or something of the sort...

It's Aesopian.

Someone at MS should learn to be a better MARKETER...

With TRANSPARENCY.

Nancy

"Nancy Jackman" wrote in message
news:u0sZGJ2OLHA.4384@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

Yes, but it's just yet another little software program of uncertain pedigree
and value to clutter things up.

If it has no real advantages why go through the time-wasted of installing it
and then removing it?

"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message
news:87pb661nqltpotde0i1vf6nm85br69btvl@4ax.com...

On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 1302 -1000, "Nancy Jackman"
<nanwjackman@beaufort.com> wrote:

>
> "Microsoft has what they call an nntp Bridge
> available to do this, but even better is the "Community Forums NNTP
> bridge," which you get for free here:
> <http/communitybridge.codeplex.com>
>
> Why is it "even better"?

Try it and see for yourself. It's free and you don't have to make any
real commitment to it.

As with many things, I recommend trying the alternatives (especially
when they are all free, as they are here) and deciding for yourself
which you like better.

I'm not trying to talk you into anything, just inviting you to try
both choices.

> I'm doing fine with forums using the newsreader.

> "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message
> news:42gb66haf6mb9gccl3rjhr09q3i2n5f6hj@4ax.com...
>
> Many of us have gone to the forums. But some of us are also still here
> (at least for a while longer).
>
> By the way, note that you *can* participate in the web-based forums
> using your newsreader. Microsoft has what they call an nntp Bridge
> available to do this, but even better is the "Community Forums NNTP
> bridge," which you get for free here:
> http://communitybridge.codeplex.com/
>
> Using the bridge isn't perfect, but I use it since I find it much
> better than participating directly via a web browser.
>
> > Do I need to go to the forums to follow them.
> > John
> --
> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003
> Please Reply to the Newsgroup

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[Bill in Co]

Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 17:11:13 +0100, "Urlay Nook"
> <UrlayBurlay@TheNook.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Hello
>> I've noticed on this group (and on the XP group) that a lot of MVP's
>> replies
>> no longer appear.
>> For instance Winston on the WLM group and PA Bear and Shenan Stanley on
>> >> the XP group.
>> Replies from them are included in further questions but I never see there
>> original reply.
>> Have the MVP's gone to the forums.
>
>
> Many of us have gone to the forums. But some of us are also still here
> (at least for a while longer).

But I don't understand why anyone would choose to leave this NNTP based
format if most of us still have access to these newsgroups on another
server. It just seems to me to be a much better format for these specific
topic discussions than the web-based forums are.

I guess the only good reason I can think of ... is for discussions of the
newer operating systems and applications that are coming out, since there
won't be any newly created microsoft newsgroups anymore, right?

 

[Sunny]

Re: Missing MVP's

"Nancy Jackman" <nanwjackman@beaufort.com> wrote in message
news:eEB44g2OLHA.456@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Addition to my last:
>
> O.K.
>
> I looked at it.
>
> But it seems to require logging in with a Windows Live Mail ID to a
> "special" server.
>
> No?
>
> If so, why would anyone want to do that and open oneself up to all sorts
> of
> invasive techniques by hackers and government agents.
>
> Do you REALLY think the General Public is so GULLIBLE?
>
> Well, SOME folks certainly ARE. So you DO have some evidence for their
> gullibility.
>
> Microsoft even has a disclaimer that tells us the "Community Forums NNTP
> bridge" is not really a MS product -- or you're logging into a SERVER
> that
> is NOT a MS APPLICATION....
>
> Or something of the sort...
>
> It's Aesopian.

What is "Aesopian" ?


>
> Someone at MS should learn to be a better MARKETER...
>
> With TRANSPARENCY.
>
> Nancy

 

[...winston]

Re: Missing MVP's

Ever watch the Rocky and Bullwinkle show ? (i.e. Aesop and Son)

The reference in this thread is most likely relative to fictional accounts of Aesop being associated with telling fables.
In the end, Aesop supposedly met his maker by being tossed off a cliff.
- Myth or reality...that debate has been ongoing for decades.

You can read more about Aesop here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aesop

--
....winston
ms-mvp mail

"Sunny" wrote in message news:Y3r9o.3548$Yv.3000@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com...
What is "Aesopian" ?


<other garbage snipped>

 

[Jim]

On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 212:42 +0100, Cheng Heng <Cheng.
Heng@microsoft.com> wrote:

>MVPs are a thing of the past and Microsoft has decided to abandon
>them because they were completely useless and wasting unnecessary
>time of customers who M$ had come to depend upon over the years.
>
>If you have any questions then by all means post them here and you
>will get proper help from non MVPs who take pride in what they
>do. MVPs are here because they are looking for some recognition
>from good customers like you otherwise they won't be here. They
>don't have any sex life either and some would say they are
>asexual.
>
>Hope this helps.


<plonk>




>
>
>Urlay Nook wrote:
>>
>> Hello
>> I've noticed on this group (and on the XP group) that a lot of MVP's replies
>> no longer appear.
>> For instance Winston on the WLM group and PA Bear and Shenan Stanley on the
>> XP group.
>> Replies from them are included in further questions but I never see there
>> original reply.
>> Have the MVP's gone to the forums.
>> Do I need to go to the forums to follow them.
>> John

 

[Ken Blake, MVP]

Re: Missing MVP's

On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 17:29:50 -1000, "Nancy Jackman"
<nanwjackman@beaufort.com> wrote:

> Yes, but it's just yet another little software program of uncertain pedigree
> and value to clutter things up.
>
> If it has no real advantages why go through the time-wasted of installing it
> and then removing it?


I think it has a decided advantage, but you are free to make your own
choice.




> "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message
> news:87pb661nqltpotde0i1vf6nm85br69btvl@4ax.com...
>
> On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 1302 -1000, "Nancy Jackman"
> <nanwjackman@beaufort.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > "Microsoft has what they call an nntp Bridge
> > available to do this, but even better is the "Community Forums NNTP
> > bridge," which you get for free here:
> > <http/communitybridge.codeplex.com>
> >
> > Why is it "even better"?
>
> Try it and see for yourself. It's free and you don't have to make any
> real commitment to it.
>
> As with many things, I recommend trying the alternatives (especially
> when they are all free, as they are here) and deciding for yourself
> which you like better.
>
> I'm not trying to talk you into anything, just inviting you to try
> both choices.
>
> > I'm doing fine with forums using the newsreader.
>
> > "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message
> > news:42gb66haf6mb9gccl3rjhr09q3i2n5f6hj@4ax.com...
> >
> > Many of us have gone to the forums. But some of us are also still here
> > (at least for a while longer).
> >
> > By the way, note that you *can* participate in the web-based forums
> > using your newsreader. Microsoft has what they call an nntp Bridge
> > available to do this, but even better is the "Community Forums NNTP
> > bridge," which you get for free here:
> > http://communitybridge.codeplex.com/
> >
> > Using the bridge isn't perfect, but I use it since I find it much
> > better than participating directly via a web browser.
> >
> > > Do I need to go to the forums to follow them.
> > > John
> > --
> > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003
> > Please Reply to the Newsgroup
>
> --
> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003
> Please Reply to the Newsgroup

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[Magnus]

OT: Re: Missing MVP's

You're dating yourself prehistoric, lol

"...winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:#njhrU4OLHA.456@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Ever watch the Rocky and Bullwinkle show ? (i.e. Aesop and Son)

 

[Ken Blake, MVP]

On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 23:071 -0600, "Bill in Co"
<surly_curmudgeon@earthlink.net> wrote:

> Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
> > On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 17:11:13 +0100, "Urlay Nook"
> > <UrlayBurlay@TheNook.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Hello
> >> I've noticed on this group (and on the XP group) that a lot of MVP's
> >> replies
> >> no longer appear.
> >> For instance Winston on the WLM group and PA Bear and Shenan Stanley on
> >> >> the XP group.
> >> Replies from them are included in further questions but I never see there
> >> original reply.
> >> Have the MVP's gone to the forums.
> >
> >
> > Many of us have gone to the forums. But some of us are also still here
> > (at least for a while longer).
>
> But I don't understand why anyone would choose to leave this NNTP based
> format if most of us still have access to these newsgroups on another
> server.


Two reasons:

1. Because, without their being Microsoft newsgroups, traffic gets
lower and lower (which is already happening on many of these
newsgroups). As that happens, it's not worth the time and effort to
periodically check and find there's nothing there.

2. The existing newsgroups cover no version of Windows past Vista. As
more and more people move to Windows 7, there are fewer and fewer
questions about the older versions. Not to mention that my skills with
the older versions I no longer use get poorer and poorer as time goes
on, and I forget their details. It's the same reason I haven't
participated in Windows 98 newsgroups for a *long* time.


> It just seems to me to be a much better format for these specific
> topic discussions than the web-based forums are.


Absolutely! I'm with you 100%. Unfortunately Microsoft disagrees with
us.


> I guess the only good reason I can think of ... is for discussions of the
> newer operating systems and applications that are coming out, since there
> won't be any newly created microsoft newsgroups anymore, right?


Right (see my point 2 above).


--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003
Please Reply to the Newsgroup

 

[PA Bear [MS MVP]]

Re: Missing MVP's

Greg Russell wrote:
>> I've noticed on this group (and on the XP group) that a lot of MVP's
>> replies no longer appear.
>
> Thank God and Greyound they're gone.

Spoken like a true troll.

 

[PA Bear [MS MVP]]

Re: Missing MVP's

Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
> I think [NNTP Bridge] has a decided advantage...

But only if you sync your newsreader with your forums immediately before you
start posting replies.

If you compose your replies while working offline, you're at a distinct
advantage and whatever info you eventually post may well have been
superseded by other replies to the thread posted after you last synchronized
with the forum. [Trust me on this, Ken.]

 

[PA Bear [MS MVP]]

Bill in Co wrote:
>> Many of us have gone to the forums. But some of us are also still here
>> (at least for a while longer).
>
> But I don't understand why anyone would choose to leave this NNTP based
> format if most of us still have access to these newsgroups on another
> server. It just seems to me to be a much better format for these specific
> topic discussions than the web-based forums are...

I can guarantee you that I have had an infinitely better success rate in the
forums than I've ever had in newsgroups. While it's true that there are
plenty of "once & done" OPs (and trolls) in the forums as well, more forum
OPs actually stick with their threads to the bitter end than newsgroup OPs.

Perhaps it's because Alerts (i.e., email notifications of replies to a
thread) actually work via the forum interface?

 

[...winston]

Re: Missing MVP's

One reason that minimizes my use of the bridge.



--
....winston
ms-mvp mail

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote in message news:e5t45C#OLHA.5028@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
> I think [NNTP Bridge] has a decided advantage...

But only if you sync your newsreader with your forums immediately before you
start posting replies.

If you compose your replies while working offline, you're at a distinct
advantage and whatever info you eventually post may well have been
superseded by other replies to the thread posted after you last synchronized
with the forum. [Trust me on this, Ken.]

 

[Bruce Hagen]

Re: Missing MVP's

I use the bridge to quickly pick & choose the ones I'll reply to, but so
the actual posting in the forum.
--
~Bruce



"...winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:%23mwoyP%23OLHA.456@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> One reason that minimizes my use of the bridge.
>
>
>
> --
> ...winston
> ms-mvp mail
>
> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote in message
> news:e5t45C#OLHA.5028@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
>> I think [NNTP Bridge] has a decided advantage...
>
> But only if you sync your newsreader with your forums immediately before
> you start posting replies.
>
> If you compose your replies while working offline, you're at a distinct
> advantage and whatever info you eventually post may well have been
> superseded by other replies to the thread posted after you last
> synchronized with the forum. [Trust me on this, Ken.]

 

[Don Dewiel]

Re: Missing MVP's

+1
--
Don

"...winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:#mwoyP#OLHA.456@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> One reason that minimizes my use of the bridge.
>
>
>
> --
> ...winston
> ms-mvp mail
>
> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote in message
> news:e5t45C#OLHA.5028@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
>> I think [NNTP Bridge] has a decided advantage...
>
> But only if you sync your newsreader with your forums immediately before
> you start posting replies.
>
> If you compose your replies while working offline, you're at a distinct
> advantage and whatever info you eventually post may well have been
> superseded by other replies to the thread posted after you last
> synchronized with the forum. [Trust me on this, Ken.]

 

[Bill in Co]

Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 23:071 -0600, "Bill in Co"
> <surly_curmudgeon@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
>>> On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 17:11:13 +0100, "Urlay Nook"
>>> <UrlayBurlay@TheNook.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hello
>>>> I've noticed on this group (and on the XP group) that a lot of MVP's
>>>> replies
>>>> no longer appear.
>>>> For instance Winston on the WLM group and PA Bear and Shenan Stanley on
>>>> >> the XP group.
>>>> Replies from them are included in further questions but I never see
>>>> there
>>>> original reply.
>>>> Have the MVP's gone to the forums.
>>>
>>>
>>> Many of us have gone to the forums. But some of us are also still here
>>> (at least for a while longer).
>>
>> But I don't understand why anyone would choose to leave this NNTP based
>> format if most of us still have access to these newsgroups on another
>> server.
>
>
> Two reasons:
>
> 1. Because, without their being Microsoft newsgroups, traffic gets
> lower and lower (which is already happening on many of these
> newsgroups). As that happens, it's not worth the time and effort to
> periodically check and find there's nothing there.
>
> 2. The existing newsgroups cover no version of Windows past Vista. As
> more and more people move to Windows 7, there are fewer and fewer
> questions about the older versions. Not to mention that my skills with
> the older versions I no longer use get poorer and poorer as time goes
> on, and I forget their details. It's the same reason I haven't
> participated in Windows 98 newsgroups for a *long* time.
>
>
>> It just seems to me to be a much better format for these specific
>> topic discussions than the web-based forums are.
>
>
> Absolutely! I'm with you 100%. Unfortunately Microsoft disagrees with
> us.
>
>
>> I guess the only good reason I can think of ... is for discussions of the
>> newer operating systems and applications that are coming out, since there
>> won't be any newly created microsoft newsgroups anymore, right?
>
>
> Right (see my point 2 above).

OK, and thanks for the insights, Ken.

 

[Db]

the problem with following
anyone is that you would
have to smell what they
walk away from.

--
--
db·´¯`·...¸><)))º>

DatabaseBen, Retired Professional

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
This NNTP newsgroup is evolving to:

http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/default.aspx


"Urlay Nook" <UrlayBurlay@TheNook.com> wrote in message news6S5qIwOLHA.5064@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Hello
> I've noticed on this group (and on the XP group) that a lot of MVP's replies no longer appear.
> For instance Winston on the WLM group and PA Bear and Shenan Stanley on the XP group.
> Replies from them are included in further questions but I never see there original reply.
> Have the MVP's gone to the forums.
> Do I need to go to the forums to follow them.
> John

 

[Art [artfudd] Folden]

Re: Missing MVP's

"What is "Aesopian" ?"

It is a word used by people who wish to convey that they think they know more than the
average bear, or otherwise convey that the referred to commentary is somewhat ambiguous.


Art [artfudd] Folden
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"Sunny" wrote in message news:Y3r9o.3548$Yv.3000@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com...


"Nancy Jackman" <nanwjackman@beaufort.com> wrote in message
news:eEB44g2OLHA.456@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Addition to my last:
>
> O.K.
>
> I looked at it.
>
> But it seems to require logging in with a Windows Live Mail ID to a "special" server.
>
> No?
>
> If so, why would anyone want to do that and open oneself up to all sorts of
> invasive techniques by hackers and government agents.
>
> Do you REALLY think the General Public is so GULLIBLE?
>
> Well, SOME folks certainly ARE. So you DO have some evidence for their
> gullibility.
>
> Microsoft even has a disclaimer that tells us the "Community Forums NNTP
> bridge" is not really a MS product -- or you're logging into a SERVER that
> is NOT a MS APPLICATION....
>
> Or something of the sort...
>
> It's Aesopian.

What is "Aesopian" ?


>
> Someone at MS should learn to be a better MARKETER...
>
> With TRANSPARENCY.
>
> Nancy

 

[PA Bear [MS MVP]]

I smell fish.

Db wrote:
> the problem with following
> anyone is that you would
> have to smell what they
> walk away from.
>
> --
>
> "Urlay Nook" <UrlayBurlay@TheNook.com> wrote in message
> news6S5qIwOLHA.5064@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> Hello
>> I've noticed on this group (and on the XP group) that a lot of MVP's
>> replies no longer appear. For instance Winston on the WLM group and PA
>> Bear and Shenan Stanley on the XP group. Replies from them are included
>> in further questions but I never see there
>> original reply. Have the MVP's gone to the forums.
>> Do I need to go to the forums to follow them.
>> John

 

[glee]

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:upVP6C%23OLHA.5028@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>
> Bill in Co wrote:
>>> Many of us have gone to the forums. But some of us are also still
>>> here
>>> (at least for a while longer).
>>
>> But I don't understand why anyone would choose to leave this NNTP
>> based
>> format if most of us still have access to these newsgroups on another
>> server. It just seems to me to be a much better format for these
>> specific
>> topic discussions than the web-based forums are...
>
> I can guarantee you that I have had an infinitely better success rate
> in the forums than I've ever had in newsgroups. While it's true that
> there are plenty of "once & done" OPs (and trolls) in the forums as
> well, more forum OPs actually stick with their threads to the bitter
> end than newsgroup OPs.
>
> Perhaps it's because Alerts (i.e., email notifications of replies to a
> thread) actually work via the forum interface?

That's odd....considering that before Microsoft "quit" newsgroups, forum
posts were being sent to the newsgroups as well as appearing on the
forums...so there should have been no difference. Are you saying that
replies to forum posts that were made via the newsgroups weren't being
included in the email notifications in the forum posts? That's the only
way I can see that would account for a difference.

I stopped posting via the forums because I was not getting notifications
of replies, no one posting seemed to be able to find their posts for
follow-up, and posts were being 'marked as the answer' that did not
resolve the poster's issue. I assume the first two issues have been
solved? I know the last issue still exists because I see it regularly
when a search about an issue leads me to a MS forum thread.
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009
A+
http://dts-l.net/

 

[Ken Blake, MVP]

Re: Missing MVP's

On Sat, 14 Aug 2010 14:29:50 -0400, "PA Bear [MS MVP]"
<PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
> > I think [NNTP Bridge] has a decided advantage...
>
> But only if you sync your newsreader with your forums immediately before you
> start posting replies.
>
> If you compose your replies while working offline, you're at a distinct
> advantage and whatever info you eventually post may well have been
> superseded by other replies to the thread posted after you last synchronized
> with the forum. [Trust me on this, Ken.]


I trust you, Bear (I trust you on almost everything). And I'm aware
that what you say is correct. Nevertheless, it's something that I
don't overly worry about. Some of what I post may turn out be
superseded, or even wrong, as a result, but the alternative of doing
it directly on the web is so much slower that I have no interest in
doing it. I'll live with the problem you mention.



--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003
Please Reply to the Newsgroup