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OT: Missing MVP's

Discussion in 'Windows XP' started by Urlay Nook, Aug 13, 2010.

  1. Urlay Nook

    Urlay Nook Flightless Bird

    Hello
    I've noticed on this group (and on the XP group) that a lot of MVP's replies
    no longer appear.
    For instance Winston on the WLM group and PA Bear and Shenan Stanley on the
    XP group.
    Replies from them are included in further questions but I never see there
    original reply.
    Have the MVP's gone to the forums.
    Do I need to go to the forums to follow them.
    John
     
  2. Penn E. Loafer

    Penn E. Loafer Flightless Bird

    Re: Missing MVP's

    Yes, the MVPs and most of all the posters, new and old, have moved to the
    forums, since the MS NNTP newsgroups have been discontinued.

    "Urlay Nook" <UrlayBurlay@TheNook.com> wrote in message
    news:-O6S5qIwOLHA.5064@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
    >
    > Hello
    > I've noticed on this group (and on the XP group) that a lot of MVP's
    > replies no longer appear.
    > For instance Winston on the WLM group and PA Bear and Shenan Stanley on
    > the XP group.
    > Replies from them are included in further questions but I never see there
    > original reply.
    > Have the MVP's gone to the forums.
    > Do I need to go to the forums to follow them.
    > John
     
  3. R. C. White

    R. C. White Flightless Bird

    Hi, John.

    You are at least partially correct. :>(

    Winston is still active in WLMD. I haven't used WinXP in so long that I
    don't visit that NG any longer, but I still see both PA Bear and Shenan in
    other groups.

    Against vigorous protests from many MVPs, including myself, Microsoft
    announced that they are closing these NGs and moving to Forums. Of the
    2,000+ former newsgroups here, only about 200 remain as of today, and only
    about half of those are in English. Of the 20+ that I subscribed to before,
    only 4 are left - and one of them is 13 days past its announced closing
    date. Traffic in all these NGs has dropped dramatically. I see only 4,114
    messages in this WLMD NG in the past 90 days, to 5/15/10.

    Many MVPs have already transitioned to Forums. In my experience, offering
    help in Forums is much more time-consuming than in NGs. Simply splitting
    our efforts between the two venues takes time away from both, and the time
    spent there means that we have much less time to spend here.

    My participation in Forums is still small. When I do participate, it is
    almost always via the Community NNTP Bridge. That way, I can continue to
    use WLMail; other MVPs use other newsreaders, such as Forte Agent or
    Thunderbird or many other non-Microsoft choices. Microsoft developed two
    NNTP Bridges, one for the Answers forums and another for the "IT Pro"
    forums, such as TechNet. MVP Jochen Kalmbach wrote a single bridge for all
    those forums and many of us like his "Community NNTP Bridge" better than the
    MS versions.

    If you'd like to try the Community NNTP Bridge, you can download it free
    from here:
    http://communitybridge.codeplex.com/

    Or, of course, you can use IE or your favorite other browser to participate
    in the forums.

    Either way, most MVPs were helping users long before Microsoft invented the
    Most Valuable Professional award - and, with or without Microsoft public
    newsgroups, we'll keep doing what we do because that's who we are. ;<)

    RC
    --
    R. C. White, CPA
    San Marcos, TX
    rc@grandecom.net
    Microsoft Windows MVP
    Windows Live Mail 2010 (15.3.2804.0607) in Win7 Ultimate x64


    "Urlay Nook" wrote in message news:-O6S5qIwOLHA.5064@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

    Hello
    I've noticed on this group (and on the XP group) that a lot of MVP's replies
    no longer appear.
    For instance Winston on the WLM group and PA Bear and Shenan Stanley on the
    XP group.
    Replies from them are included in further questions but I never see there
    original reply.
    Have the MVP's gone to the forums.
    Do I need to go to the forums to follow them.
    John
     
  4. ...winston

    ...winston Flightless Bird

    Urlay,
    Still here and hopefully accounted for<g>
    - I'm using Windows Live Mail to access this newsgroup via the nntp server. So far all my posts original and replies are showing up at this end.

    Most of my input to this newsgroup are replies vs. original new post.


    --
    ....winston
    ms-mvp mail

    "Urlay Nook" wrote in message news:-O6S5qIwOLHA.5064@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

    Hello
    I've noticed on this group (and on the XP group) that a lot of MVP's replies
    no longer appear.
    For instance Winston on the WLM group and PA Bear and Shenan Stanley on the
    XP group.
    Replies from them are included in further questions but I never see there
    original reply.
    Have the MVP's gone to the forums.
    Do I need to go to the forums to follow them.
    John
     
  5. Urlay Nook

    Urlay Nook Flightless Bird

    Re: Missing MVP's

    Thanks for the reply

    "Penn E. Loafer" <penn@eloafer.invalid> wrote in message
    news:i43sba$82g$1@news.eternal-september.org...
    > Yes, the MVPs and most of all the posters, new and old, have moved to the
    > forums, since the MS NNTP newsgroups have been discontinued.
    >
    > "Urlay Nook" <UrlayBurlay@TheNook.com> wrote in message
    > news:-O6S5qIwOLHA.5064@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
    >>
    >> Hello
    >> I've noticed on this group (and on the XP group) that a lot of MVP's
    >> replies no longer appear.
    >> For instance Winston on the WLM group and PA Bear and Shenan Stanley on
    >> the XP group.
    >> Replies from them are included in further questions but I never see there
    >> original reply.
    >> Have the MVP's gone to the forums.
    >> Do I need to go to the forums to follow them.
    >> John

    >
    >
     
  6. Urlay Nook

    Urlay Nook Flightless Bird

    Thanks for the reply and the link.

    "R. C. White" <rc@grandecom.net> wrote in message
    news:u1yQApwOLHA.3732@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
    > Hi, John.
    >
    > You are at least partially correct. :>(
    >
    > Winston is still active in WLMD. I haven't used WinXP in so long that I
    > don't visit that NG any longer, but I still see both PA Bear and Shenan in
    > other groups.
    >
    > Against vigorous protests from many MVPs, including myself, Microsoft
    > announced that they are closing these NGs and moving to Forums. Of the
    > 2,000+ former newsgroups here, only about 200 remain as of today, and only
    > about half of those are in English. Of the 20+ that I subscribed to
    > before, only 4 are left - and one of them is 13 days past its announced
    > closing date. Traffic in all these NGs has dropped dramatically. I see
    > only 4,114 messages in this WLMD NG in the past 90 days, to 5/15/10.
    >
    > Many MVPs have already transitioned to Forums. In my experience, offering
    > help in Forums is much more time-consuming than in NGs. Simply splitting
    > our efforts between the two venues takes time away from both, and the time
    > spent there means that we have much less time to spend here.
    >
    > My participation in Forums is still small. When I do participate, it is
    > almost always via the Community NNTP Bridge. That way, I can continue to
    > use WLMail; other MVPs use other newsreaders, such as Forte Agent or
    > Thunderbird or many other non-Microsoft choices. Microsoft developed two
    > NNTP Bridges, one for the Answers forums and another for the "IT Pro"
    > forums, such as TechNet. MVP Jochen Kalmbach wrote a single bridge for
    > all those forums and many of us like his "Community NNTP Bridge" better
    > than the MS versions.
    >
    > If you'd like to try the Community NNTP Bridge, you can download it free
    > from here:
    > http://communitybridge.codeplex.com/
    >
    > Or, of course, you can use IE or your favorite other browser to
    > participate in the forums.
    >
    > Either way, most MVPs were helping users long before Microsoft invented
    > the Most Valuable Professional award - and, with or without Microsoft
    > public newsgroups, we'll keep doing what we do because that's who we are.
    > ;<)
    >
    > RC
    > --
    > R. C. White, CPA
    > San Marcos, TX
    > rc@grandecom.net
    > Microsoft Windows MVP
    > Windows Live Mail 2010 (15.3.2804.0607) in Win7 Ultimate x64
    >
    >
    > "Urlay Nook" wrote in message
    > news:-O6S5qIwOLHA.5064@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
    >
    > Hello
    > I've noticed on this group (and on the XP group) that a lot of MVP's
    > replies
    > no longer appear.
    > For instance Winston on the WLM group and PA Bear and Shenan Stanley on
    > the
    > XP group.
    > Replies from them are included in further questions but I never see there
    > original reply.
    > Have the MVP's gone to the forums.
    > Do I need to go to the forums to follow them.
    > John
     
  7. Richard Schimelfenig

    Richard Schimelfenig Flightless Bird

    I think you've defined another bug ...er ... feature of WLM.

    If you hit reply while IN the message from a newsgroup, it ONLY goes to the
    person who sent it and not the group. As far as I can tell (and yes, I tried
    all the usual keypresses) is that is the only way to respond to the group -
    exit the message and reply to group from the list without opening the
    message.

    Sucks.




    "Urlay Nook" wrote in message news:-O6S5qIwOLHA.5064@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

    Hello
    I've noticed on this group (and on the XP group) that a lot of MVP's replies
    no longer appear.
    For instance Winston on the WLM group and PA Bear and Shenan Stanley on the
    XP group.
    Replies from them are included in further questions but I never see there
    original reply.
    Have the MVP's gone to the forums.
    Do I need to go to the forums to follow them.
    John
     
  8. Bruce Hagen

    Bruce Hagen Flightless Bird

    Put Reply Group on the toolbar. You can be reading the message in the
    Reading Pane or in its own window and Reply Group will send the reply to
    the newsgroup. Reply is meant to go to the sender only and most people
    munge their address anyway. I don't even keep the Reply button on the
    toolbar to avoid a mistake.
    --
    Bruce Hagen
    MS-MVP [Mail]
    Imperial Beach, CA


    "Richard Schimelfenig" <rschimel@verizon.net> wrote in message
    news:%23uTL8UyOLHA.2104@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
    >I think you've defined another bug ...er ... feature of WLM.
    >
    > If you hit reply while IN the message from a newsgroup, it ONLY goes to
    > the person who sent it and not the group. As far as I can tell (and yes,
    > I tried all the usual keypresses) is that is the only way to respond to
    > the group - exit the message and reply to group from the list without
    > opening the message.
    >
    > Sucks.
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > "Urlay Nook" wrote in message
    > news:-O6S5qIwOLHA.5064@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
    >
    > Hello
    > I've noticed on this group (and on the XP group) that a lot of MVP's
    > replies
    > no longer appear.
    > For instance Winston on the WLM group and PA Bear and Shenan Stanley on
    > the
    > XP group.
    > Replies from them are included in further questions but I never see
    > there
    > original reply.
    > Have the MVP's gone to the forums.
    > Do I need to go to the forums to follow them.
    > John
     
  9. ...winston

    ...winston Flightless Bird

    Re: Missing MVP's

    Reply, Reply to Group is available
    - in the message
    - on the menu or ribbon
    - via right click

    Choose the latter.



    --
    ....winston
    ms-mvp mail

    "Richard Schimelfenig" wrote in message news:#uTL8UyOLHA.2104@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

    I think you've defined another bug ...er ... feature of WLM.

    If you hit reply while IN the message from a newsgroup, it ONLY goes to the
    person who sent it and not the group. As far as I can tell (and yes, I tried
    all the usual keypresses) is that is the only way to respond to the group -
    exit the message and reply to group from the list without opening the
    message.

    Sucks.




    "Urlay Nook" wrote in message news:-O6S5qIwOLHA.5064@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

    Hello
    I've noticed on this group (and on the XP group) that a lot of MVP's replies
    no longer appear.
    For instance Winston on the WLM group and PA Bear and Shenan Stanley on the
    XP group.
    Replies from them are included in further questions but I never see there
    original reply.
    Have the MVP's gone to the forums.
    Do I need to go to the forums to follow them.
    John
     
  10. Cheng  Heng

    Cheng Heng Flightless Bird

    MVPs are a thing of the past and Microsoft has decided to abandon
    them because they were completely useless and wasting unnecessary
    time of customers who M$ had come to depend upon over the years.

    If you have any questions then by all means post them here and you
    will get proper help from non MVPs who take pride in what they
    do. MVPs are here because they are looking for some recognition
    from good customers like you otherwise they won't be here. They
    don't have any sex life either and some would say they are
    asexual.

    Hope this helps.


    Urlay Nook wrote:
    >
    > Hello
    > I've noticed on this group (and on the XP group) that a lot of MVP's replies
    > no longer appear.
    > For instance Winston on the WLM group and PA Bear and Shenan Stanley on the
    > XP group.
    > Replies from them are included in further questions but I never see there
    > original reply.
    > Have the MVP's gone to the forums.
    > Do I need to go to the forums to follow them.
    > John
     
  11. Ildhund

    Ildhund Flightless Bird

    Re: Missing MVP's

    "Cheng Heng" <Cheng. Heng@microsoft.com> wrote in message news:4C65ABEA.5AD7A043@aim.com...
    ... lots of nasty stuff. I dashed over to the NG on the web to mark as abuse, but someone beat me to it. I don’t think this is an MSFT employee.
    --
    Noel
     
  12. Ron Sommer

    Ron Sommer Flightless Bird

    Re: Missing MVP's

    In the Beta, Ctrl + G opens a news reply.

    --
    Ron Sommer
    MS MVP- Windows Live Mail

    "Richard Schimelfenig" wrote in message
    news:#uTL8UyOLHA.2104@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

    I think you've defined another bug ...er ... feature of WLM.

    If you hit reply while IN the message from a newsgroup, it ONLY goes to the
    person who sent it and not the group. As far as I can tell (and yes, I tried
    all the usual keypresses) is that is the only way to respond to the group -
    exit the message and reply to group from the list without opening the
    message.

    Sucks.




    "Urlay Nook" wrote in message news:-O6S5qIwOLHA.5064@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

    Hello
    I've noticed on this group (and on the XP group) that a lot of MVP's replies
    no longer appear.
    For instance Winston on the WLM group and PA Bear and Shenan Stanley on the
    XP group.
    Replies from them are included in further questions but I never see there
    original reply.
    Have the MVP's gone to the forums.
    Do I need to go to the forums to follow them.
    John
     
  13. PA Bear [MS MVP]

    PA Bear [MS MVP] Flightless Bird

    [Bite me!]

    Cheng Heng wrote:
    > MVPs are a thing of the past and Microsoft has decided to abandon
    > them...
     
  14. PA Bear [MS MVP]

    PA Bear [MS MVP] Flightless Bird

    Re: Missing MVP's

    I'm still here:
    http://groups.google.com/groups/search?q=author:pabearmvp@gmail.com&scoring=d

    Urlay Nook wrote:
    > Hello
    > I've noticed on this group (and on the XP group) that a lot of MVP's
    > replies
    > no longer appear.
    > For instance Winston on the WLM group and PA Bear and Shenan Stanley on
    > the
    > XP group.
    > Replies from them are included in further questions but I never see there
    > original reply.
    > Have the MVP's gone to the forums.
    > Do I need to go to the forums to follow them.
    > John
     
  15. Ken Blake, MVP

    Ken Blake, MVP Flightless Bird

    On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 17:11:13 +0100, "Urlay Nook"
    <UrlayBurlay@TheNook.com> wrote:

    >
    > Hello
    > I've noticed on this group (and on the XP group) that a lot of MVP's replies
    > no longer appear.
    > For instance Winston on the WLM group and PA Bear and Shenan Stanley on the
    > XP group.
    > Replies from them are included in further questions but I never see there
    > original reply.
    > Have the MVP's gone to the forums.



    Many of us have gone to the forums. But some of us are also still here
    (at least for a while longer).

    By the way, note that you *can* participate in the web-based forums
    using your newsreader. Microsoft has what they call an nntp Bridge
    available to do this, but even better is the "Community Forums NNTP
    bridge," which you get for free here:
    http://communitybridge.codeplex.com/

    Using the bridge isn't perfect, but I use it since I find it much
    better than participating directly via a web browser.



    > Do I need to go to the forums to follow them.
    > John


    --
    Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003
    Please Reply to the Newsgroup
     
  16. Greg Russell

    Greg Russell Flightless Bird

    Re: Missing MVP's

    "Urlay Nook" <UrlayBurlay@TheNook.com> wrote in message
    news:-O6S5qIwOLHA.5064@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

    > I've noticed on this group (and on the XP group) that a lot of MVP's

    replies
    > no longer appear.


    Thank God and Greyound they're gone.
     
  17. milt

    milt Flightless Bird

    Re: Missing MVP's

    On 8/13/2010 11:36 AM, Penn E. Loafer wrote:
    > Yes, the MVPs and most of all the posters, new and old, have moved to the
    > forums, since the MS NNTP newsgroups have been discontinued.
    >


    Lies, most people refuse to move to the crappy forums, along with the
    MVPs. I, along with many others, won't go to the crappy forums.
     
  18. Nancy Jackman

    Nancy Jackman Flightless Bird

    Re: Missing MVP's

    "Microsoft has what they call an nntp Bridge
    available to do this, but even better is the "Community Forums NNTP
    bridge," which you get for free here:
    <http://communitybridge.codeplex.com>

    Why is it "even better"?

    I'm doing fine with forums using the newsreader.

    Thanks.

    Nancy

    "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message
    news:42gb66haf6mb9gccl3rjhr09q3i2n5f6hj@4ax.com...

    Many of us have gone to the forums. But some of us are also still here
    (at least for a while longer).

    By the way, note that you *can* participate in the web-based forums
    using your newsreader. Microsoft has what they call an nntp Bridge
    available to do this, but even better is the "Community Forums NNTP
    bridge," which you get for free here:
    http://communitybridge.codeplex.com/

    Using the bridge isn't perfect, but I use it since I find it much
    better than participating directly via a web browser.

    > Do I need to go to the forums to follow them.
    > John

    --
    Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003
    Please Reply to the Newsgroup
     
  19. Ken Blake, MVP

    Ken Blake, MVP Flightless Bird

    Re: Missing MVP's

    On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 13:30:32 -1000, "Nancy Jackman"
    <nanwjackman@beaufort.com> wrote:

    >
    > "Microsoft has what they call an nntp Bridge
    > available to do this, but even better is the "Community Forums NNTP
    > bridge," which you get for free here:
    > <http://communitybridge.codeplex.com>
    >
    > Why is it "even better"?



    Try it and see for yourself. It's free and you don't have to make any
    real commitment to it.

    As with many things, I recommend trying the alternatives (especially
    when they are all free, as they are here) and deciding for yourself
    which you like better.

    I'm not trying to talk you into anything, just inviting you to try
    both choices.



    > I'm doing fine with forums using the newsreader.







    > "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message
    > news:42gb66haf6mb9gccl3rjhr09q3i2n5f6hj@4ax.com...
    >
    > Many of us have gone to the forums. But some of us are also still here
    > (at least for a while longer).
    >
    > By the way, note that you *can* participate in the web-based forums
    > using your newsreader. Microsoft has what they call an nntp Bridge
    > available to do this, but even better is the "Community Forums NNTP
    > bridge," which you get for free here:
    > http://communitybridge.codeplex.com/
    >
    > Using the bridge isn't perfect, but I use it since I find it much
    > better than participating directly via a web browser.
    >
    > > Do I need to go to the forums to follow them.
    > > John

    > --
    > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003
    > Please Reply to the Newsgroup


    --
    Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003
    Please Reply to the Newsgroup
     
  20. Nancy Jackman

    Nancy Jackman Flightless Bird

    Re: Missing MVP's

    Yes, but it's just yet another little software program of uncertain pedigree
    and value to clutter things up.

    If it has no real advantages why go through the time-wasted of installing it
    and then removing it?

    "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message
    news:87pb661nqltpotde0i1vf6nm85br69btvl@4ax.com...

    On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 13:30:32 -1000, "Nancy Jackman"
    <nanwjackman@beaufort.com> wrote:

    >
    > "Microsoft has what they call an nntp Bridge
    > available to do this, but even better is the "Community Forums NNTP
    > bridge," which you get for free here:
    > <http://communitybridge.codeplex.com>
    >
    > Why is it "even better"?


    Try it and see for yourself. It's free and you don't have to make any
    real commitment to it.

    As with many things, I recommend trying the alternatives (especially
    when they are all free, as they are here) and deciding for yourself
    which you like better.

    I'm not trying to talk you into anything, just inviting you to try
    both choices.

    > I'm doing fine with forums using the newsreader.


    > "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message
    > news:42gb66haf6mb9gccl3rjhr09q3i2n5f6hj@4ax.com...
    >
    > Many of us have gone to the forums. But some of us are also still here
    > (at least for a while longer).
    >
    > By the way, note that you *can* participate in the web-based forums
    > using your newsreader. Microsoft has what they call an nntp Bridge
    > available to do this, but even better is the "Community Forums NNTP
    > bridge," which you get for free here:
    > http://communitybridge.codeplex.com/
    >
    > Using the bridge isn't perfect, but I use it since I find it much
    > better than participating directly via a web browser.
    >
    > > Do I need to go to the forums to follow them.
    > > John

    > --
    > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003
    > Please Reply to the Newsgroup


    --
    Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003
    Please Reply to the Newsgroup
     

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